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1 minute ago, Ausmumof3 said:

Yes I can’t imagine people in US being happy with that level of tracking.  I also suspect it’s probably more useful when you’ve got cases coming in from limited localities versus cases coming in from all over and many mini clusters.  People would be more relaxed about some tracking here I think based on the usual care level but some would worry.

Not only would people not like it, it's virtually impossible. There are ~15x as many people as Taiwan. We don't have a national health service; Medicaid is state by state, most people are insured through an employer, Medicare is federal for retirement-aged people, and some people have nothing at all. There's nobody tracking interstate travel. No two states necessarily even have the same information on birth certificates--comparing mine to DH's was quite shocking.

The US is very well organized for war. Everything else, we let the locals and/or the market take care of. It's amazingly ad-hoc. It's not run by any coherent planning at all.

I will be interested to see how the census is affected. It's supposed to be starting.

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DS got home 3 hours ago!  ❤️❤️

Update-  my youngest is not only short of breath, coughing, dizzy, nausaues, and with headache-  she is also confused.  I called our doctor and talked with him and she is going to be going to the ER.

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6 minutes ago, lewelma said:

Here is the response in NZ.  We are still at the tracking close contacts phase, and checking daily the 252 people in self isolation.  All 5 of our cases have been completed and released, so we are currently at zero for 6 days. I bolded the parts that I thought were most interesting. 

 

Ms Ardern expects to announce the new travel restrictions over the weekend.

At the moment, foreign travellers arriving from mainland China and Iran are banned from entering the country. Travellers from South Korea and Italy are asked to self-isolate for two weeks on arrival.

Ardern also said New Zealand had a responsibility as a gateway to the Pacific to do everything it could to stop the spread of Covid-19 there.

Auckland's Pasifika Festival has been cancelled, amid concerns about the virus being transmitted to the Pacific Islands.

Ardern said if Covid-19 was to spread in the Pacific, it would be hugely damaging to its health system.

Ardern said a large number of people were travelling from the Islands for the event and letting it go ahead was a risk Cabinet was not willing to take.

Officials are yet to decide if Polyfest, which is set to take place in the city next weekend, will still go ahead.

Two patients who were in hospital - one confirmed case and one probable - have both been discharged and are recovering at home with daily checks.

Director-General of Health Dr Ashley Bloomfield said Healthline was busy but coping with twice the usual number of calls.

He said all 252 close contacts of the confirmed cases in self-isolation were being monitored daily and planning was underway for scaling up New Zealand's ability to contact trace individuals exposed to others with the coronavirus.

"Our key advice, which is fundamental to our response, is not putting yourself or others at risk if you are unwell. This means not going to work or going to places where there are other people if you are sick. All of us have a role to play in stopping further spread. I need to emphasise how critical this is as New Zealand responds to Covid-19," Dr Bloomfield said.

"This is particularly important for concerts and other large gatherings we have coming up, including this weekend. Please stay home if you're unwell."

Would you like to swap leaders?

sounds positive that the numbers are still so low.  

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abc7news reporter twitter account of local stores  inventory. Lighthearted with lots of photos of Costco, Trader Joe’s and other stores.

https://mobile.twitter.com/MelissaABC7

“4:35 PM - Safeway on Tice Valley Blvd. is off the beaten path in Walnut Creek and this store was completely out of toilet paper. The nice clerk said they will get a ship in overnight but they expect to be out by tomorrow morning at 10 AM.”

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ABC reports - Live Nation, one of the world's biggest promoters, has postponed all "large-scale" events worldwide.

 

The US-based company is part of a coalition of music promoters and booking agencies who will suspend large-scale tours and postpone major shows scheduled worldwide for March.
 

"We continue to support that small-scale events follow guidance set by their local government officials," a statement provided by Live Nation said.
 

A spokesperson in Australia said that locally, "we are still waiting on advice from the Chief Health Officers Council regarding local advice on mass gatherings".
 

Live Nation tours currently underway in Australia include Tim Minchin, Kingswood and metal festival Download.
 

Download this morning announced it would not be going ahead in Sydney and Melbourne next week after headliner My Chemical Romance cancelled their Australian tour because of coronavirus fears.
 

Live Nation has seen its share price dropped significantly as coronavirus has led to mass cancellations of festivals and concerts in Australia and overseas.
 

Meanwhile, Golden Plains festival, outside Melbourne, has clarified the repercussions from a case related to its event last weekend.
 

It said on Friday morning that after an investigation by Victorian health officials, a person who attended and later tested positive for COVID-19 was not unwell while at the festival.
 

"As a result, no further public health action is required by festival attendees, including workers, volunteers and artists," a statement from organisers said.
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The numbers don’t add up for my county. 8 + 19 + 16 < 66

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Coronavirus-live-updates-Six-dead-in-Washington-15100710.php

“5:06 p.m. Santa Clara County reports 18 new cases: The county recorded 18 new cases of COVID-19, bringing the total number of confirmed cases to 66, according to public health officials. Of those, 31 are hospitalized, one has recovered, one has died. In terms of transmission, officials said eight are travel-associated, 19 were close contacts of known cases and 16 were community transmission.”

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“5:21 p.m. Cases surge in Washington state: The state reports 457 cases, including 270 in King County and 108 in Snohomish County, and 31 deaths, according to new information released by public health officials. One of the cases is a state public health employee. Yesterday, the state had 366 cases and 29 deaths.” https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Coronavirus-live-updates-Six-dead-in-Washington-15100710.php

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3 hours ago, lewelma said:

My MIL is going into isolation.  She is 90, has respiratory issues, and lives in Ohio.  Luckily, she lives alone!

My mom is in her early 70s and healthy, but she is doing the same thing.  She lives alone, so she is able to do it effectively.

 

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“5:40 p.m. West Contra Costa Unified School District closes all schools for three weeks: District officials announced that all of its schools will be closed for three weeks beginning on Monday, March 16. District officials will move up spring break from the week of April 6 to the week of March 30, and classes will resume on Monday, April 6.

While there are no confirmed cases of the new coronavirus within the district, officials said “several students and staff” have had contact with people who have potentially contracted the new coronavirus.

Superintendent Matthew Duffy said the decision to close all of the school was not easy, but said the “uncertainty surrounding the outbreak has increased the confusion and anxiety in our community.”

The district serves more than 30,000 students in Richmond, Kensington, El Cerrito, San Pablo, Pinole, El Sobrante and Hercules.”  https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Coronavirus-live-updates-Six-dead-in-Washington-15100710.php

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4 minutes ago, Arcadia said:

@mathnerd

The numbers don’t add up for my county. 8 + 19 + 16 < 66

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Coronavirus-live-updates-Six-dead-in-Washington-15100710.php

“5:06 p.m. Santa Clara County reports 18 new cases: The county recorded 18 new cases of COVID-19, bringing the total number of confirmed cases to 66, according to public health officials. Of those, 31 are hospitalized, one has recovered, one has died. In terms of transmission, officials said eight are travel-associated, 19 were close contacts of known cases and 16 were community transmission.”

Maybe they haven’t worked out the others yet?

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3 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:

Maybe they haven’t worked out the others yet?

Maybe. But could have added an unknown category. From the county’s webpage

“Total Confirmed Cases

66
Hospitalized
31
Recovered
1
Deaths
1
Travel-Associated
8
Close Contacts of Known Cases
19
Presumed Community Transmission
16”
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3 hours ago, Matryoshka said:

I called my parents (early 80's) a couple of days ago and gave them an earful.  My dad had plans to go to a yearly conference in Baltimore (we're in MA) with a bunch of other old guys this weekend.  Noooooo!  He was being stubborn, but miraculously I talked him out of it. Mom had been trying to dissuade him, but he was resisting. Mom's also cancelled her ballet plans with the ladies, and I think her other plans are being cancelled for her (like mine - I had something I'd been looking forward to that would have been a small gathering, that I figured I'd count as my last hurrah before hibernating - but it was cancelled anyway...).  Fortunately my mom has freezers full of food, so hopefully they can hang tight.  Mom whined 'what about fresh fruit?' and I reminded her that she had half a peach tree's worth of peaches in one of her freezers... (they actually have a peach tree, and it had a bumper crop year before last... think there are still some in my freezer too...)

One of my chores tomorrow is to clear out our freezer of old food kids put in there.  Then I will send dh out on shopping trip on Saturday,  Tomorrow they are having a trial work at home.  I am not quite sure how that works due to the nature of his work and he is very skeptical that the computer system will actually work but whatever.

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14 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:

 

 

 

 

So glad I still had a “like” available today!

I like the wink better than elbow bumps.

 

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Swiss efficiency combined with old-fashioned analog tools: at dd's concert tonight in Geneva a woman was stationed by the door to take down every audience member's name, phone number, address, and email on a clipboard, in case they need to be contacted in future for quarantine.  All gatherings over 150 are banned, so there were only 25 concert-goers.

My shy dd is rejoicing that the Swiss kiss-kiss-kiss greeting has been truly abandoned.

 

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4 minutes ago, Arcadia said:

Maybe. But could have added an unknown category. From the county’s webpage

“Total Confirmed Cases

66
Hospitalized
31
Recovered
1
Deaths
1
Travel-Associated
8
Close Contacts of Known Cases
19
Presumed Community Transmission
16”

 

I’d presume that of 66 those who aren’t in hospital,  dead or recovered are in isolation at home.

and of the 66 transmission is still being investigated and at this point for those not in travel, close contact or presumed community transmission group

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@Pen @Acadie @Lanny @Ausmumof3

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/coronavirus-covid-19-us-hospitals-cabanas-conference-rooms-12533734

“NEW YORK: U.S. hospitals, bracing for a surge in demand as more Americans are infected with the novel coronavirus, plan to use tents, conference rooms and cafeterias to house overflow patients.

Members of the American Hospital Association have been advised to prepare for 96 million cases in the next few months, with 4.8 million additional admissions, 1.9 million intensive care unit (ICU) admissions and 480,000 excess deaths - or about 10 times the number caused by a severe flu season.

"If we have a full-blown outbreak, as is predicted by almost all the modellers, we may have a situation where we are 75,000 to 100,000 ICU beds short," Dr. Irwin Redlener, director of Columbia University's national centre for disaster preparedness (NCDP), told Reuters.

Experts estimate that about 80 per cent of people infected with the virus, SARS-CoV-2, will have only mild symptoms. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommends that these patients remain at home, isolating themselves as much as possible.

...

There are currently 95,000 ICU beds in the United States, the NCDP says.

The number of coronavirus cases in the country has risen steadily to 1,323, with 38 deaths, according to a tally by Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore.

Scripps Health, which operates five hospital campuses in San Diego County, is starting to set up tents outside its clinics to screen people for the virus. 

"By Friday we will have what we are euphemistically calling COVID cabanas at two of our clinics," Chris Van Gorder, its chief executive, told Reuters.

The 1,400-bed hospital group has 99 negative pressure isolation rooms used to contain airborne contaminants, three of which are in use - including one patient with COVID-19.

If the number of COVID-19 patients surpasses that, Van Gorder said temporary air handlers can be brought in to convert standard rooms - or even an entire wing or floor of a hospital - into isolation units. Tents could also be used to house patients if needed, he said.

California Governor Gavin Newsom on Thursday issued an executive order clearing the way for the state to "commandeer property," such as hotels, to quarantine or treat COVID-19 patients.

"A lot of our care we are planning to do remotely via telemedicine or video medicine," the Scripps CEO said. "Hospital beds would be reserved for seriously ill patients."

Scripps has been working to make sure personnel are "fit tested" for masks, including reusable powered air purifying respirators, or PAPRs, that can be cleaned in about 25 minutes.

"We generally have about 1,000 beds that are free on any given day for a surge in illness," Los Angeles County Public Health Department Director Dr. Barbara Ferrer said at a press conference this week.

Ferrer said an influx of seriously ill patients who need treatment in an intensive care unit could overwhelm hospitals in the nation's most populous county.

"We are going through the process of identifying decommissioned beds, and other areas within the hospital where we have the ability to expand," said Jeremy Baker, executive director clinical quality, risk and safety at two Los Angeles-area hospitals run by Providence St. Joseph Health, a 51-hospital chain. 

"We are constantly reviewing our surge capacity plan to identify other units we could use, such as conference rooms, for less acute treatment."

He said Providence is also looking to put up screening tents at its clinics to isolate possible COVID-19 patients from emergency rooms, and could shift some non-coronavirus care to its associated nursing homes.

"As part of our normal disaster planning process, we do have the ability to put out a call for physicians. We do have an emergency credential process for that," Baker said.

In New York City, Mayor Bill de Blasio said on Thursday that they were entering "a situation where the only analogy is war, and a wartime dynamic," referring to how the city will deal with a surge in demand for hospital beds.

"Hospitals will create brand new capacity," de Blasio said at a news conference.

"I'll take a parking lot and put up a tent and turn it into an ICU. We'll turn a cafeteria into an ICU."”

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2 hours ago, Ausmumof3 said:

I know this sounds nuts but I’m concerned about an uptick in antisemitism on top of the xenophobia with this.  I have seen several conspiracy theories suggesting it’s all a financial plot.  Why do these times bring out the best in some people but the absolute worst in others? 

 

2 hours ago, square_25 said:

Oh goodness, just what we need. I wouldn't be surprised, although of course it's the height of idiocy -- over here, the Jewish community (especially the Orthodox) is the hardest hit so far... 

 

2 hours ago, Pen said:

 

Im very concerned too.  When Dr John Campbell did a live chat feed version of his videos there were huge numbers of antsemitic anti Jewish comments on the feed (he didn’t repeat any, but they were visible ).  It was very distressing and concerning.  

It's true.  I have at least two Orthodox Jewish friends who have been verbally assaulted in the last couple of days.

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This is the Trader Joe's in Brookline MA this evening.  I haven't been scared before, but I'm honestly worrying now.  This place even before a blizzard is full of food.

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6 minutes ago, Arcadia said:

@Pen @Acadie @Lanny @Ausmumof3

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/coronavirus-covid-19-us-hospitals-cabanas-conference-rooms-12533734

“NEW YORK: U.S. hospitals, bracing for a surge in demand as more Americans are infected with the novel coronavirus, plan to use tents, conference rooms and cafeterias to house overflow patients.

Members of the American Hospital Association have been advised to prepare for 96 million cases in the next few months, with 4.8 million additional admissions, 1.9 million intensive care unit (ICU) admissions and 480,000 excess deaths - or about 10 times the number caused by a severe flu season.

"If we have a full-blown outbreak, as is predicted by almost all the modellers, we may have a situation where we are 75,000 to 100,000 ICU beds short," Dr. Irwin Redlener, director of Columbia University's national centre for disaster preparedness (NCDP), told Reuters.

Experts estimate that about 80 per cent of people infected with the virus, SARS-CoV-2, will have only mild symptoms. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommends that these patients remain at home, isolating themselves as much as possible.

...

There are currently 95,000 ICU beds in the United States, the NCDP says.

The number of coronavirus cases in the country has risen steadily to 1,323, with 38 deaths, according to a tally by Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore.

Scripps Health, which operates five hospital campuses in San Diego County, is starting to set up tents outside its clinics to screen people for the virus. 

"By Friday we will have what we are euphemistically calling COVID cabanas at two of our clinics," Chris Van Gorder, its chief executive, told Reuters.

The 1,400-bed hospital group has 99 negative pressure isolation rooms used to contain airborne contaminants, three of which are in use - including one patient with COVID-19.

If the number of COVID-19 patients surpasses that, Van Gorder said temporary air handlers can be brought in to convert standard rooms - or even an entire wing or floor of a hospital - into isolation units. Tents could also be used to house patients if needed, he said.

California Governor Gavin Newsom on Thursday issued an executive order clearing the way for the state to "commandeer property," such as hotels, to quarantine or treat COVID-19 patients.

"A lot of our care we are planning to do remotely via telemedicine or video medicine," the Scripps CEO said. "Hospital beds would be reserved for seriously ill patients."

Scripps has been working to make sure personnel are "fit tested" for masks, including reusable powered air purifying respirators, or PAPRs, that can be cleaned in about 25 minutes.

"We generally have about 1,000 beds that are free on any given day for a surge in illness," Los Angeles County Public Health Department Director Dr. Barbara Ferrer said at a press conference this week.

Ferrer said an influx of seriously ill patients who need treatment in an intensive care unit could overwhelm hospitals in the nation's most populous county.

"We are going through the process of identifying decommissioned beds, and other areas within the hospital where we have the ability to expand," said Jeremy Baker, executive director clinical quality, risk and safety at two Los Angeles-area hospitals run by Providence St. Joseph Health, a 51-hospital chain. 

"We are constantly reviewing our surge capacity plan to identify other units we could use, such as conference rooms, for less acute treatment."

He said Providence is also looking to put up screening tents at its clinics to isolate possible COVID-19 patients from emergency rooms, and could shift some non-coronavirus care to its associated nursing homes.

"As part of our normal disaster planning process, we do have the ability to put out a call for physicians. We do have an emergency credential process for that," Baker said.

In New York City, Mayor Bill de Blasio said on Thursday that they were entering "a situation where the only analogy is war, and a wartime dynamic," referring to how the city will deal with a surge in demand for hospital beds.

"Hospitals will create brand new capacity," de Blasio said at a news conference.

"I'll take a parking lot and put up a tent and turn it into an ICU. We'll turn a cafeteria into an ICU."”

 

Well, I’m glad they are working on it.  

I felt a little relieved in a way to see that they are paying attention — though I think conversion of parking lots to effective hospitals that can give good care is easier said than done. 

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3 minutes ago, YaelAldrich said:

This is the Trader Joe's in Brookline MA this evening.  I haven't been scared before, but I'm honestly worrying now.  This place even before a blizzard is full of food.

 

The situation is very serious.

 

 

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9 minutes ago, YaelAldrich said:

This is the Trader Joe's in Brookline MA this evening.  I haven't been scared before, but I'm honestly worrying now.  This place even before a blizzard is full of food.

 

A lot worse than my county and we have the highest number of cases in California. We only had empty shelves of toilet paper, sanitizers, tub/cylinder wipes and bottled/gallon jug water. 

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5 minutes ago, Arcadia said:

A lot worse than my county and we have the highest number of cases in California. We only had empty shelves of toilet paper, sanitizers, tub/cylinder wipes and bottled/gallon jug water. 

It's hitting the fan here in MA. I've been stocking up slowly  for weeks, but dh asked me to go in to Market Basket for probably the last fresh oj in a while, and oh, my. Not as empty as the pics Yael sent, but super crowded, full carts, and long lines. I was thinking, oh, no, I am not practicing social distancing atm!! At least I could use the 12-items or less line and get out of there quicker - the new said people were waiting 45 min just in line at some MBs.  I think there's going to be a mass hunker after today or tomorrow.  Schools are closing and people are being told to work from home, just over the last two days.

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7 minutes ago, Arcadia said:

 

A lot worse than my county and we have the highest number of cases in California. We only had empty shelves of toilet paper, sanitizers, tub/cylinder wipes and bottled/gallon jug water. 

I went to my regular grocery shop in a Somerville (Next to Cambridge) Market Basket yesterday at 3pm.  I thought the place would be dead and I could hop in and out in less than 30 minutes since I have stocked up very nicely already - just stocking up on dairy, fruit, and veggies.  The parking lot was like the day before a blizzard and the aisles were insane.

My friend went to Costco in Dedham MA today and she said the lines were out the door and the queue for the cash registers wound from the beginning of the store around the back and back to the front again.  Lots of stuff was gone.  I'm going to try Tuesday morning.  I think it's becoming real for more and more people. 

All the schools in the immediate Boston suburbs have cancelled school for at least two weeks; everyone but the actual City of Boston and rumors are that it is just a couple more days until they do - our percentage of poor/homeless/food insecure is much higher than the other districts.  The Modern Orthodox day school has shut down, the right wing ones are rumored to be shutting by next week at the latest.  This is a very productive time for Jewish schools right before the holiday of Passover and I think people both want it done now and are scared to death about the kids being home while Passover preparations are going on (you have to switch out all your foodstuffs, pots/pans, dishes, utensils; then clean the house to rid it of leavened foods, then cook enough food to float a boat for eight days of "Mom!  I'm hungry!").

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6 minutes ago, Matryoshka said:

It's hitting the fan here in MA. I've been stocking up slowly  for weeks, but dh asked me to go in to Market Basket for probably the last fresh oj in a while, and oh, my. Not as empty as the pics Yael sent, but super crowded, full carts, and long lines. I was thinking, oh, no, I am not practicing social distancing atm!! At least I could use the 12-items or less line and get out of there quicker - the new said people were waiting 45 min just in line at some MBs.  I think there's going to be a mass hunker after today or tomorrow.  Schools are closing and people are being told to work from home, just over the last two days.

The scary thing is that I was in that TJ's yesterday - no lack of food.

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4 minutes ago, lmrich said:

All the major school districts in Metro Atlanta have announced closures. 

Which means all of us in Middle GA should close too. So many people travel back and forth to ATL daily.

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3 minutes ago, YaelAldrich said:

The scary thing is that I was in that TJ's yesterday - no lack of food.

I was in TJ's in Acton yesterday, and things were only a little hairy, although tp was finally out (I've just been buying 1 every time I go to slowly add up, but they were never short till yesterday). This afternoon I was pondering going to the NH one and maybe get some wine, as somehow I totally forgot to stock up on that at all - but then thought the better of it... sounds like that was for the best...

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ABC news - Breaking: Victoria confirms first community transmission


Victoria has recorded its first case of community transmission of coronavirus, with health officials saying nine new cases have been confirmed.


The Department of Health And Human Servicessaid:


The new cases include six men and three women aged between 20-70. All cases are recovering at home in isolation. Of the nine new cases, seven have a history of international travel. Case interviews are still being completed with some cases.


One case has no history of travel or contact with a confirmed case – the first case of community transmission.

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8 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:

ABC news - Breaking: Victoria confirms first community transmission


Victoria has recorded its first case of community transmission of coronavirus, with health officials saying nine new cases have been confirmed.


The Department of Health And Human Servicessaid:


The new cases include six men and three women aged between 20-70. All cases are recovering at home in isolation. Of the nine new cases, seven have a history of international travel. Case interviews are still being completed with some cases.


One case has no history of travel or contact with a confirmed case – the first case of community transmission.

 

Would that probably be Melbourne area or not revealed where in state?

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1 hour ago, whitehawk said:

I will be interested to see how the census is affected. It's supposed to be starting.

We got our census form in the mail today. Except, it was just a letter with a code asking us to go online to fill the real form out. ? I didn't realize it would be online.

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All University of Al schools will be closing and going online.  So is Auburn.  My dh was at the Board meeting and they have cancelled all planeturium shows for the next month because the chairs are cloth and old, and place is impossible to clean.  If we have clearing ever, since we have been having lots and lots of rain, they may still do outdoor viewing events since they are outdoors and the telescopes can be cleaned and are regularly.  My classes have been cancelled for one month, at least- so I won't be missing out on those.

I found out more about dd's situation.  Doctor is concerned because she was at a wedding on Saturday right near the GA border with travelers, and also at a mega church on Sunday.  He knows she has bronchitis, and since she has taken the zithromax he has prescribed, her breathing is much better and she is feeling better.  He told her to quarantine both her and her brother, who is also sick but most likely with a virus, not her bacterial, too since there is no way to test here and they are 23 and 30 and likely to have lesser disease issues even if COVID19,  Other dd has flu.  Dh and I have nothing but we haven't seen any of them since I think last Wed,.  

I am urging my dh to have the retreat, which is supposed to happen in just over a month, be postponed to fall.  He is not the decision maker and really isn't supposed to be on the board anymore=his term ended in Dec. but there is a super ineffective board president and no election has been forthcoming.  He was going to resign after the retreat.

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13 minutes ago, RootAnn said:

We got our census form in the mail today. Except, it was just a letter with a code asking us to go online to fill the real form out. ? I didn't realize it would be online.

Aus tried to do an online option last time and it crashed spectacularly. 

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So it looks like Italy are Looking at significant new measures.  I’m still trying to sort through them because of the language thing.  It looks like a break on all tax related stuff that’s not due right now.  Ability to requisition needed medical supplies even privately owned and possibly houses and hotels.  Nothing is through but Lombardy are asking to modify public transport and questioning why laundries are still allowed to be open.  (Feeling ridiculously privileged that I’d never even think of that).  Payments for carers of non self sufficient people.  Payments for people who have to be in quarantine.  Army possibly involved to deal with illegal gatherings and street vendors.  
 

Keep in mind I’m trying to figure out from non English source with google translate so may not have that 100 percent.

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2 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:

So it looks like Italy are Looking at significant new measures.  I’m still trying to sort through them because of the language thing.  It looks like a break on all tax related stuff that’s not due right now.  Ability to requisition needed medical supplies even privately owned and possibly houses and hotels.  Nothing is through but Lombardy are asking to modify public transport and questioning why laundries are still allowed to be open.  (Feeling ridiculously privileged that I’d never even think of that).  Payments for carers of non self sufficient people.  Payments for people who have to be in quarantine.  Army possibly involved to deal with illegal gatherings and street vendors.  
 

Keep in mind I’m trying to figure out from non English source with google translate so may not have that 100 percent.

 

It seems like laundries would be a close to essential service when trying to keep things sanitary during an epidemic.  Maybe with staggered time use so it isn’t a group close proximity hang out.   ????

Have you a link? I don’t know Italian, but was once fluent in Portuguese and sometimes that let’s me glean a little from Written Italian . 

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7 minutes ago, Pen said:

 

It seems like laundries would be a close to essential service when trying to keep things sanitary during an epidemic.  Maybe with staggered time use so it isn’t a group close proximity hang out.   ????

Have you a link? I don’t know Italian, but was once fluent in Portuguese and sometimes that let’s me glean a little from Written Italian . 

https://www.corriere.it/politica/20_marzo_12/coronavirus-regioni-fare-piu-conte-resiste-pressing-f87d9b38-64ab-11ea-90f7-c3419f46e6a5.shtml
 

here’s one and another is on la repubblica. I’ll find it in the minute.

i imagine shared laundries would be a fair transmission risk with surface contamination etc though.  For individuals it’s fairly easy to hand wash if you have water but not so good for a family.

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2 hours ago, whitehawk said:

Not only would people not like it, it's virtually impossible. There are ~15x as many people as Taiwan. We don't have a national health service; Medicaid is state by state, most people are insured through an employer, Medicare is federal for retirement-aged people, and some people have nothing at all. There's nobody tracking interstate travel. No two states necessarily even have the same information on birth certificates--comparing mine to DH's was quite shocking.

The US is very well organized for war. Everything else, we let the locals and/or the market take care of. It's amazingly ad-hoc. It's not run by any coherent planning at all.

I will be interested to see how the census is affected. It's supposed to be starting.

Yes good point. Much easier in a smaller geographical area and with central administration.

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I think it's worth looking at what is making isolation possible for people (like me) who are only a little sick, without which it becomes much more challenging:

  • Working utilities (and in fact mild weather also helps) - electricity so we can keep food cold, cook, and run heat/air conditioning if needed, access the internet (making it possible for DH to work from home & for us to keep up with local information), running water to keep things clean - and the appliances to go with them.
  • Financial means to have bought some food and other necessities ahead; DH's job being possible to do remotely vs. hands-on.
  • Services so far uninterrupted: trash pickup; Instacart and local produce box for groceries if you can pay the extra fees; postal and other delivery service.
  • No concerns about education/child care, as our missed events are not urgently important and in fact I already have the standardized test in the house to administer and mail back, completing our legal requirement.
  • No ongoing medical treatments like dialysis. Savings that would allow us to pay for medical care if incurred, although it could eat our retirement.

I'm wondering, for what percentage of the population are the stars aligned so helpfully? I would think few. And even for us, there may be a point when it becomes very difficult.

 

(ETA: That said, I would like to get better ASAP, and certainly not worse. I'm still online at this hour because I can't breathe well through my nose & I know I won't fall asleep soon. Prayers appreciated if you're so inclined.)

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MIT has just moved up the time line.  Everyone to be out by Sunday.  Rumor is the Boston airport is closing on Monday. 

Now it is time for me to panic! 

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