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I think I want to do comments, ideas and concerns as an email letter to our own superintendent with a copy to Governor.  Our Superintendent is more likely to see it before 11 am meeting

I think I want to include idea of high school students helping to supervise elementary and middle schoolers whose more vulnerable older teachers should not be directly exposed — but maybe with usual teacher video conferences into classroom. 

 

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DS got home 3 hours ago!  ❤️❤️

That's not a blanket right.  If my religion required human sacrifice, I can't practice it.  If my religion required sexual assault, I can't practice it. Freedom of religion isn't a blanket right

Update-  my youngest is not only short of breath, coughing, dizzy, nausaues, and with headache-  she is also confused.  I called our doctor and talked with him and she is going to be going to the ER.

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6 hours ago, Ausmumof3 said:

Australian home affairs minister Peter Dutton tested positive 

Edited to add he had recently returned from the US where he met Trump administration officials re data encryption laws 

I think he personally sat next to Trump’s daughter during the meeting and photos. Due to all of the Congress people self quarantining, I would hope that the Trump family finds a way to access some test kits.

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5 hours ago, Plum said:

Wynn casino is using thermal settings on their security cameras to identify anyone with a fever. 

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So last night Sudafed helped me breathe (yay!!!) but not sleep ("non-drowsy" indeed), and I had time for a lot of thoughts on this topic. Now many of you read upthread the case study from the Diamond Princess contrasting two infected staff. The female worker, confirmed via testing and with respiratory symptoms and presumably contagious, never ran a fever the entire time. And I'm not either--temps in the 99s F, which is definitely elevated for me (typically in the 97s or even 96s) but would let me sail through screenings as in the picture as a healthy person even though I've been sick since probably Monday afternoon if not before. (DS first showed symptoms Saturday night and likewise has not yet had a fever.) I do not qualify for testing (my state is in dire straits on that point). Now, I have a lot of data on my body temperature, taken for reproductive purposes over the course of a few years, and my normal temperature is well below 98.6, particularly in the first half of my cycle. While a sample size of two is not necessarily proof of anything, I suspect there is considerable danger of missing infectious female patients worldwide if testing is only for people with temperatures over 100.4 F.

5 hours ago, Ausmumof3 said:

Yes.  Quite a few people seemed to think he should be doing quarantine on Christmas Island 

I have the perfect suggestion for someone to keep him company, which I will keep to myself at the moment.

5 hours ago, TravelingChris said:

I think instacart is overwhelmed.  I placed an order on Monday and I got two items I didn't order and some item substitutions I didn't want.  The shopper did not text me as the other shoppers did before buying.  

Unscreened substitutions are dangerous to customers with food allergies! Yikes.

I suspect shoppers will keep doing it to keep paying the rent, and it's actually safer for them if the rest of us stay in the house and let them drop the food on the porch and run, rather than wandering the aisles and touching everything. However, AFAIK EBT and WIC (US nutrition program) can't be used that way, and low-income folks will scarcely be able to afford the extra cost of delivery, again putting low-income households at higher risk.

We're okay for food for a few days, but I've put a sign on our door warning that we're sick in hopes that nobody will ask for a signature on a package.

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Switzerland just announced country-wide school closure until April 30.  All cinemas, gyms, etc, are also closed.  I'm relieved.  We are heading towards being the next Italy, and this needed to be done ASAP.  

Spoke too soon, it's just our canton (state) for the moment.  Federal decision should come this evening.  

ETA:  NOW it's country-wide

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6 hours ago, Pen said:

 

 

Guess maybe we understand more about fleeing areas prior to wuarantines and it makes more sense wh

 Maybe it will help us think a bit more about how people, after a disaster such as hurricanes, can loot stores for things they need, or the sheer pandemonium they’re in. Maybe we can compare it to the feelings of people fleeing war torn cities, drug cartel controlled areas, etc. I mean, look how some have lost their sensibilities and are getting into brawls about  and hoarding effing toilet paper 

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A covid case just reported in Belton, Texas (Killeen-Temple-Ft. Hood area). 

Austin public schools and University of Texas are closed today. UT has extended Spring Break to 2 weeks; after that classes will be on-line. 

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4 minutes ago, Violet Crown said:

A covid case just reported in Belton, Texas (Killeen-Temple-Ft. Hood area). 

Austin public schools and University of Texas are closed today. UT has extended Spring Break to 2 weeks; after that classes will be on-line. 

Yeah, all my family is in Texas and I didn't think it was hitting hard there yet but just heard from niece that A&M is online for rest of semester as well.

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My rough draft so far—please help me to shorten and improve it!

I just sent it to Both Superintendent and Governor’s office.  Somewhat revised, including Aura’s idea of removing “I thinks” ... 

 

Dear Superintendent ____

I am writing with regard to Covid-19 and plans for school reopening in the hopes you will add these thoughts to what are part of the meeting to occur at 11AM today.

1) I think that there needs to be a dispensation for all children who may themselves be unusually higher risk for Covid-19 and for all children with parents, guardians or close contact persons who are at high risk due to age or health to be able to study from home with no penalties, no negative unexcused absences or suspensions for too many days out of school.

2) I think online instruction, ideally with students’ own teachers involved (or certain teachers not necessarily in same school giving online subject lectures, while own regular teachers give online tutoring more personal assistance ) should be figured out .

 This would allow the schools to decrease the number students who need to be physically present due to no home internet, need for school supervision, food programs, etc. which would allow far more social distancing of the students still going in to school buildings (who would mostly be learning from same online format as at home students usually. Possibly with other arrangements for SPED needs students. )

 This would also help significantly to protect older and more at risk teachers who could teach remotely from home.

 Younger non high risk teachers could go to school buildings to be supervisors.

3) if additional supervision were needed in addition to the younger non at risk teachers, perhaps high school students could rotate supervision of elementary and middle schoolers when the high schoolers had free periods

4) perhaps busses still running could drop off supplies and food etc as needed by home students as well as transporting students still going into schools 

5) extra cleaning needs to be done with materials that will help against CV19, but that is as safe as possible from a chemical exposures POV, for example plain soap and water; hydrogen peroxide, povidone iodine ... not the typical harsh school cleaners

In support of these ideas specifically about schools, 

5) I think there needs to be a reduction of group size for restrictions on “group gatherings” down to 25 for non school, non hospital, non store situations to be proactive in reducing spread of CV19, “flattening the curve” of spread rate so that the medical system won’t be overwhelmed.

6) generally plans need to be more proactive rather than reactive.  

7) I think there need to be significant penalties for people who are known to have CV19, or who are suspected of having it and waiting for test results, who do things like take planes and go to gatherings thereby exposing other people

8 ) I think in addition to school issues, very strong proactive measures need to be taken to protect first responders EMTs and fire fighters and others who deal with possible CV carriers so that we do not lose our emergency first responder personnel.  Otherwise we will have other great and significant problems such as few firefighters when the fire season starts. 

Thank you,

name 

cc: Governor’s office

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2 minutes ago, Pen said:

 

 

My rough draft so far—please help me to shorten and improve it!

 

 

Dear Superintendent ____

I am writing with regard to Covid-19 and plans for school reopening in the hopes you will add there thoughts to what are part of the meeting to occur at 11AM today.

1) I think that there needs to be a dispensation for all children who may themselves be unusually higher risk for Covid-19 and for all children with parents, guardians or close contact persons who are at high risk due to age or health to be able to study from home with no penalties, no negative unexcused absences or suspensions for too many days out of school.

2) I think online instruction, ideally with students’ own teachers involved (or certain teachers not necessarily in same school giving online subject lectures, while own regular teachers give online tutoring more personal assistance ) should be figured out .  This would allow the schools to decrease students who need to be there due to no home internet, need for school supervision, food programs, etc. which would allow far more social distancing of the students still going in to school buildings (who would still be learning from same online format as at home students usually. Possibly with other arrangements for SPED needs students.  This would also help significantly to protect older and more at risk teachers who could teach remotely from home.  Younger non high risk teachers could go to school buildings to be supervisors.

3) if additional supervision were needed in addition to the younger non at risk teachers, perhaps high school students could rotate supervision of elementary and middle schoolers when the high schoolers had free periods

4) perhaps busses still running could drop off supplies and food etc as needed by home students as well as transporting students still going into schools 

5) I think there needs to be a reduction of group size for restrictions on “group gatherings” down to 25 for non school, non hospital, non store situations to be proactive in reducing spread of CV19, “flattening the curve” of spread rate so that the medical system won’t be overwhelmed.

6) generally plans need to be more proactive rather than reactive.  

7) I think there need to be significant penalties for people who are known to have CV19, or who are suspected of having it and waiting for test results, who do things like take planes and go to gatherings thereby exposing other people

8 ) I think in addition to school issues, very strong proactive measures need to be taken to protect first responders EMTs and fire fighters and others who deal with possible CV carriers so that we do not lose our emergency first responder personnel.  Otherwise we will have other great and significant problems such as few firefighters when the fire season starts. 

Thank you,

name 

I like your suggestions. I'm not sure if it would help, but maybe make it slightly more emphatic by eliminating all the "I think" and "Perhaps". Just state what needs to be done: "There needs to be a dispensation for all children..." "Buses still running..."

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5 minutes ago, Joker said:

Yeah, all my family is in Texas and I didn't think it was hitting hard there yet but just heard from niece that A&M is online for rest of semester as well.

I know! I felt like, Houston area, what do you expect; Frisco, okay that's basically a suburb of DFW; but Belton? And now here in my town. Time to stay home with that bowl of tortilla chips and salsa.

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16 minutes ago, Violet Crown said:

A covid case just reported in Belton, Texas (Killeen-Temple-Ft. Hood area). 

Austin public schools and University of Texas are closed today. UT has extended Spring Break to 2 weeks; after that classes will be on-line. 

This is down the street from where my parents live. With whom I am staying currently. 

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Dallas County has five additional presumptive positives.  Gatherings (in Dallas County) of more than 500 people are prohibited beginning at 11 am central time today through March 20th, unless it's extended. 

Mayor of the city of Dallas has declared a state of emergency.  UT Dallas begins spring break next week, and that break has already been extended to two weeks with online classes following.

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1 hour ago, Pen said:

high risk people with kids in school or grandkids etc are already at risk whether schools are open or closed

 

Here, some people do drop off their kids at grandparents homes when school is not in session. I think your governor had to say what she said to kind of tell people not to drop off their kids with their elderly relatives or elderly babysitters. To ask a young relative or babysitter to babysit instead.

ETA:

your letter to your superintendent should be in a more legal tone and less personal tone. 

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15 minutes ago, Violet Crown said:

I know! I felt like, Houston area, what do you expect; Frisco, okay that's basically a suburb of DFW; but Belton? And now here in my town. Time to stay home with that bowl of tortilla chips and salsa.

I had that moment when I heard there were cases in Andorra and Liechtenstein.  At that point it's got to be everywhere.

I keep being surprised we're hearing nothing much from India...

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1 hour ago, Farrar said:

I feel like it suddenly hit a tipping point here. People went from “it’s no big deal” to “why haven’t they closed schools yet!” in like a 24 hour period.

 

YES.  I have been prepping for weeks.  Everyone was saying no big deal.  Making fun of me.  Now everyone is changing their minds. 

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1 hour ago, StellaM said:

 

Yes...complicated.

I don't know who else could do it if I don't (and if there's no bed for him in hospital). 

Putting that in the 'cross bridge later' basket, I guess.

 

 

 

So your idea would be to nurse him until you were yourself sick enough to be admitted to the hospital? 

He probably needs to have what he would need available right at his bed side to self care.

And/Or one of the kids maybe your son, who is less likely to need hospitalization than you are, to move in and care for him if need be. 

??? 

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🇮🇳 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-51866903

“The 76-year-old man, from the southern state of Karnataka, returned from Saudi Arabia on 29 February after a month-long visit. 

People who came in contact with the man, who died on Tuesday, are being traced and quarantined, the state's health minister said. 

India has 81 confirmed cases of the virus, the health ministry says.

The dead man's test results were only made public on Thursday.

Officials say he was screened at the airport when he arrived from Saudi Arabia but showed no symptoms at the time.

After he developed difficulties last week, he was taken to hospital.”

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20 minutes ago, mommyoffive said:

YES.  I have been prepping for weeks.  Everyone was saying no big deal.  Making fun of me.  Now everyone is changing their minds. 

And you will become a villain in their minds for "stockpiling" and "hoarding" so there is nothing left for those who weren't "panicking". (Argg! I have actually read people's arguments saying this over the last 24 hours.)

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Here was my Costco this morning!  I was not there, but this was posted on our neighborhood FB page.

DH is very happy I made him go both Saturday and Sunday 2 weekends ago!!! 

 

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4 minutes ago, RootAnn said:

And you will become a villain in their minds for "stockpiling" and "hoarding" so there is nothing left for those who weren't "panicking". (Argg! I have actually read people's arguments saying this over the last 24 hours.)

 

Actually the people I know have said they wish they would have done it.  And now they are saying I was right.  I didn't hoard things, but I did buy some extra things as soon as the CDC told everyone too.  Even though at that time our state had 1 case.  I think our state had 1 as of Monday.  Now our state has 7.   Universities are shut down.  The stores have empty racks.   All we have is 7 cases.   Between dh and I we travel 250 miles apart everyday and it is like that everywhere.  

I want to let people know that if this isn't the case by you yet, it is going to be.  Stock up now.   Get lots of toilet paper because you won't be able to find it.  It is currently sold out on costco and amazon.  A lot of things I was buying I didn't even know why I was getting it, but I did anyway. 

 

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2 hours ago, Violet Crown said:

I don't think that can be right. There were 18 reported cases in Harris County (Houston area) as of 24 hours ago; one in Frisco (near Dallas), a few in San Antonio but those were people taken there for treatment, and zero in Travis County (Austin area). 

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Houston has gone on full Covid19 alert. First the Rodeo was closed on Wednesday when the first case of community spread was detected in Montgomery County which is a suburb, then everything on Thursday. Schools are closed for at least a week, even Houston ISD which held out the longest. U of H and CCs are going to take an extra week of Spring Break and then go to online only.

I'm glad that the city of Houston and Harris and Fort Bend Counties reacted so quickly. Officials had clearly preplanned their responses to triggering events and executed their plans immediately.

Supermarkets here sort of collapsed yesterday as people went from "Hyped Up Hoax" to Coronapocalypse!!! in less time than it takes to dip a chip in salsa. But HEB has issued a statement to calm fears. We are in no danger of running out of Texas shaped tortilla chips so everyone can chill out.:

https://www.khou.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-updates-live-blog-and-updates-houston-texas-national-world-march-13/285-0b9fc53b-5062-47d4-9453-c379a258a8d3

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I noticed a major change in my news feed as soon as pro sports, NCAA, and Disney started closing. Especially on my cheer forums. The people who were "it's not fair for kids to miss these special competitions" were suddenly saying "why are we still competing this Saturday at Disney when they are closing on Sunday! I think we should stay home-better safe than sorry". 

 

There is still a big shift between the city, which has closed schools, and the county/municipal districts, which are reassuring parents that we are cleaning a lot and having kids wash their hands, but not much else. Having said that, I do think part of it is that the schools which are not closing yet were already closed for Spring Break starting Monday, so they may be waiting until next week sometime to make the call.  My teaching site is one that is not yet closed, so I'm preparing for a shutdown. I've been cleaning before and after each student and escorting kids to the bathrooms to wash their hands the last few weeks, but if the schools actually close, I assume we will as well. 

 

edit...And as of about an hour ago--yep, closed for 2 weeks, and then reevaluate. I really wonder if part of the reason for closing now before Spring Break starts is to possibly head off the likelihood of the Governor ordering schools closed for longer.

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Just wanted to give a recommendation for saving your hands if you are having cracking hands from extra hand washing.  I bought Weleda Skin Food cream for my hands.  Hands down worth it. My hands are still happy from applying it 3 hours ago. 

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4 minutes ago, itsheresomewhere said:

Just wanted to give a recommendation for saving your hands if you are having cracking hands from extra hand washing.  I bought Weleda Skin Food cream for my hands.  Hands down worth it. My hands are still happy from applying it 3 hours ago. 

That stuff is the best.  Fortunately I bought a couple tubes last time it was on sale, so have some on hand (oops, pun!). It saved my hands the year I had 3 kids in diapers... that was also a lot of,washing!

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4 minutes ago, itsheresomewhere said:

Just wanted to give a recommendation for saving your hands if you are having cracking hands from extra hand washing.  I bought Weleda Skin Food cream for my hands.  Hands down worth it. My hands are still happy from applying it 3 hours ago. 

 

I need something and like Weleda company.  Does it have a fragrance? I don’t do well fragrance products, never if faux chemicals impersonating florals etc, but even natural lavender and a few other such are a problem for me

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8 hours ago, Laura Corin said:

I'm hoping that it's a data led decision. It feels right emotionally to close schools, but will it actually help?

I don't think it will make much difference as far as the kids and their families are concerned.  However, as I explained to my kids, many of the teachers are higher risk.  I think it makes sense that they should not have to be exposed to every germ in the community at a time like this.

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2 minutes ago, square_25 said:

All this crowding around in stores can't POSSIBLY be the right idea... 

I am not at all claustrophobic or agoraphobic, but man I was getting there fast at the grocery store last night, when I ran in for what I thought would just be a few minutes to top off our perishables. It was insane - I kept thinking that  this is probably as exposed as I've been - should have told dh he didn't need more fresh oj.  At least I got to stand in the 12 items or less line.   I took some deep cleansing breaths as soon as I got out to the parking lot.

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5 minutes ago, Pen said:

 

I need something and like Weleda company.  Does it have a fragrance? I don’t do well fragrance products, never if faux chemicals impersonating florals etc, but even natural lavender and a few other such are a problem for me

I am not reacting to it at all.  I don’t smell it until I put my nose to the tube and it is very light.  On my hands, no smell.  The dog who loves fresh lotion and can notice it a room away when a tube is open, never noticed. 
 

Whole Foods has it on sale.

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7 minutes ago, Pen said:

 

I need something and like Weleda company.  Does it have a fragrance? I don’t do well fragrance products, never if faux chemicals impersonating florals etc, but even natural lavender and a few other such are a problem for me

Smells like oranges. I assume with Weleda something natural. 

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35 minutes ago, RootAnn said:

And you will become a villain in their minds for "stockpiling" and "hoarding" so there is nothing left for those who weren't "panicking". (Argg! I have actually read people's arguments saying this over the last 24 hours.)

I haven't told anyone local that I was "prepping."  Based on comments I'm still seeing on my FB feed, many are still unhappy with the inconvenience of it all and schools being cancelled.  I would be called out if I was saying get prepared.  Oh well!!!  I stocked up my house like normal (considering I have 2 teen boys that are eating us out of house and home) and then got a few extra things.  If that is stockpiling or hoarding, oh well!!!!  They shouldn't have poo-pooed it a couple of weeks ago.  It's not like people haven't heard about this!  My DH and the boys were laughing at me 2 weeks ago (they were in support, but thought I was a bit nutso).  They love me now :-)!

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23 minutes ago, itsheresomewhere said:

Just wanted to give a recommendation for saving your hands if you are having cracking hands from extra hand washing.  I bought Weleda Skin Food cream for my hands.  Hands down worth it. My hands are still happy from applying it 3 hours ago. 

 

I “stockpiled” Weleda products for chemotherapy and radiation when Whole Foods had their line drive sale. They have one of the safest range of products to use.

Their Rosemary hair oil works for making DS15’s hair neater than using typical hair gel.

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One piece people seem to be missing in discussing school closures are parents and teens themselves that may be high risk according to the CDC. Everyone with asthma, diabetes, on immunosuppressants....that includes a chunk of kids. Just because they are at a lower risk of dying doesn’t mean they aren’t in for a hella bumpy ride if they get it, iykwim.

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Dh was at the store last night. We have had three huge waves of rushes. Rush one on masks and sanitizer happened in late January. Stuff was getting shipped back to family in China by locals here. Rush two was the first local case was announced. Dh was at a grocery store trying to find flour and a few basics and was behind in line from a guy who works at Costco. He said our local Costco had its busiest day ever yesterday. Yesterday was definitely Rush 3.

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3 hours ago, Lanny said:

 

I just looked at the main Carolina web page for COVID-19,  On that page, at this moment, they are not showing this, but when I looked a day or 2 ago, along with the States they listed, they showed 2 cities in TX,  Austin and San Antonio, Apparently other large TX cities have much lower risk at this time.   

 

Or perhaps it means that Texas, like many places, isn't testing people it should be, and the problem is worse than reported.  It is naive to think that the virus isn't everywhere in the US by now.

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5 minutes ago, prairiewindmomma said:

One piece people seem to be missing in discussing school closures are parents and teens themselves that may be high risk according to the CDC. Everyone with asthma, diabetes, on immunosuppressants....that includes a chunk of kids. Just because they are at a lower risk of dying doesn’t mean they aren’t in for a hella bumpy ride if they get it, iykwim.

This does worry me. All of my kids are higher risk....

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22 minutes ago, Pen said:

 

I need something and like Weleda company.  Does it have a fragrance? I don’t do well fragrance products, never if faux chemicals impersonating florals etc, but even natural lavender and a few other such are a problem for me

 

Their products do have natural smells. My kids can smell it for moisturizer and body wash. Not so much for hair oil. None of us are sensitive to lavender flowers used for landscaping or to lavender oil.

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13 minutes ago, mlktwins said:

I haven't told anyone local that I was "prepping."  Based on comments I'm still seeing on my FB feed, many are still unhappy with the inconvenience of it all and schools being cancelled.  I would be called out if I was saying get prepared.  Oh well!!!  I stocked up my house like normal (considering I have 2 teen boys that are eating us out of house and home) and then got a few extra things.  If that is stockpiling or hoarding, oh well!!!!  They shouldn't have poo-pooed it a couple of weeks ago.  It's not like people haven't heard about this!  My DH and the boys were laughing at me 2 weeks ago (they were in support, but thought I was a bit nutso).  They love me now :-)!

 

I’m looking forward to being in the “ok so you’re NOT crazy after all” class. DH’s switch finally flipped yesterday. Today dealing with a teen who’s realizing her social life is in ruins, convinced along with her friends that it’s all news media hype. Sorry, dear, protest all you want, you still can’t go to the movies with friends since there’s no school. 

Question: what do you do with young adults? I’ve got one here at home that has been instructed to work from home until further notice, but I anticipate there will be no staying at home. Are y’all considering setting rules for your young adults about not going places where they could bring an exposure home? Like meeting friends at restaurants or coffee shops?

I believe we will eventually all be exposed, but I want to slow down the event by reducing the chances of being exposed right away. My youngest has asthma and we have elder relatives who may need our help. Is it reasonable to set rules for a nearly independent twenty-something who happens to share my roof (and HVAC system!)?

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11 minutes ago, prairiewindmomma said:

One piece people seem to be missing in discussing school closures are parents and teens themselves that may be high risk according to the CDC. Everyone with asthma, diabetes, on immunosuppressants....that includes a chunk of kids. Just because they are at a lower risk of dying doesn’t mean they aren’t in for a hella bumpy ride if they get it, iykwim.

 

Hope you could tell in my letter that that was related to my point number 1!

 I think they are paying some attention to citizens contacting them with concerns. 

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I'm hearing a lot of "It's OK, I don't need friends anyway....sigh, angst, sigh"... I am  having a hard time convincing my kid that there isn't some big party going on somewhere that she's being left out of-everyone is going online or cancelling events! And this is the one who took epidemiology and infectious disease last year.

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34 minutes ago, Pen said:

 

I need something and like Weleda company.  Does it have a fragrance? I don’t do well fragrance products, never if faux chemicals impersonating florals etc, but even natural lavender and a few other such are a problem for me

 

We use lanolin in the winter when our hands get really dry. It's very sticky, so we put it on thickly before bed, then cover our hands with a pair of loose cotton socks, like mittens. It never fails to magically heal dry skin by the following morning. 

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1 hour ago, mommyoffive said:

 

YES.  I have been prepping for weeks.  Everyone was saying no big deal.  Making fun of me.  Now everyone is changing their minds. 

 

SIL was talking to DH last night, they live in Dallas, and said she wished someone had warned her. DH told her she needs to get with the program and join us on FB b/c "Wifey" (me) "has been warning everyone, up to and including their monkey's uncle, for the last month!" lol.  After that totally backhanded compliment he proceeded to tell me he thinks it'd be better for me/us to get it now when medical resources are still available than at the peak of the crisis. DUDE!! You're still not getting it...we're trying to stave off a massive and overwhelming peak!

1 hour ago, RootAnn said:

And you will become a villain in their minds for "stockpiling" and "hoarding" so there is nothing left for those who weren't "panicking". (Argg! I have actually read people's arguments saying this over the last 24 hours.)

 

Yep. I don't even tell people what I have on FB anymore. I did what I recommended they do and I am not terribly worried for my personal family...just ready. My worries are for those who aren't prepared or who are underprepared (for whatever the reasons).

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5 minutes ago, prairiewindmomma said:

. Yesterday was definitely Rush 3.

At least five nearby community colleges closed or are closing today. Maybe the current rush is to feed young adults at home for three weeks. Explains the sudden depletion of toilet paper in stores yesterday as many people bought more during the previous rush. Local K-12 schools are still in session but spring break is coming soon for some districts.

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