wuhan - coronavirus

[mathnerd]

Just now, Arcadia said:

@mathnerdhttps://abc7news.com/health/alaska-airlines-employee-at-sfo-tests-positive-for-covid-19/6014055/
“SAN FRANCISCO (KGO) -- An Alaska Airlines customer service agent at San Francisco International Airport has tested positive for coronavirus, officials said Saturday.

Alaska says that the employee felt sick and left work on Tuesday.

Their positive test result came back Friday.

The airline says the employee is now recovering and feeling better.

Alaska is working to identify anyone who may have come into contact with this employee and says it has also thoroughly cleaned the areas where the agent worked and its employee breakroom.”

It is hard to trace all of the passengers who came in contact with a customer service agent since last Tuesday to a week before that. The horse is out of the barn already on contact tracing or preventing the spread of this virus, sadly.

[DoraBora]

1 minute ago, StellaM said:

 

I'm drowning today. 

Just...no-one can tell me how I am supposed to manage my own high risk,  a 60% drop in income, and the kids' dad's sudden at-home dialysis, when I have to go to work in the schools they won't close, with the kids parents won't keep home, and then not get frustrated when posters come in and spread harmful advice. The new thread, someone already said it was just for people with options. 

 

{{{{StellaM}}}}

[Pen]

6 minutes ago, Terabith said:

I saw an immunologist, who did some tests and decided I really don't have an immunological issue; I just have higher than average exposure.  (And, um, that I needed to quit biting my nails.  Which was REALLY hard to do, but seems to have made a big difference.  Oops.  That literally had never occurred to me.)  He said that since I recovered from viral infections in about five days without needing antibiotics, that that was a good sign.  

That said, I reached out to a couple families that I was specifically concerned about, and they don't need help right now.  

 

Btw, Antibiotics are not appropriate for viral infections unless there’s a simultaneous bacterial infection. 

I am glad that the families you reached out to are ok. At least for now.

[Garga]

18 minutes ago, StellaM said:

 

Or maybe people with unhelpful and inaccurate things to say could just refrain from posting on this thread. Idk. 

What I hear is that this is yet another place of all the places which are saying 'ooh, don't get mad!'

I fully acknowledge I am not in a good place today, and perhaps what I'm hearing isn't what is being said.

(Friendly tone) I’m actually not exactly sure what you’re referring to.  I had read every single post on this thread until page 100 and then life got in the way and I couldn’t keep up, so I’ve been reading only every 5th page or so. The first 100 pages of this have been amazing—facts, articles, opinions, ideas of what to do and how to handle things.  I’ve been glued to it.  But once I started reading fewer posts I didn’t realize that the tone had changed until someone pointed it out about 1 or 2 pages ago.  

I’m sorry if what I said sounded like it was pointed at anything in particular.  I wasn’t talking to you when I wrote it, I only quoted you because I was agreeing with you that I thought the point of this thread was beyond just sharing facts.  I don’t want this thread to change.  I haven’t seen for myself anyone arguing or getting upset (but like I said, I’ve missed a bunch of pages of the last 35 pages.). 

My suggestion was born out of a desire to brainstorm ways to keep the thread open, but not pointed at anything specific. If there were unhelpful or inaccurate posts, I missed those. I wasn’t referring to anything you have posted because I have missed all of your posts except I saw one about your husband and his health.  

7 minutes ago, StellaM said:

 

I'm drowning today. 

Just...no-one can tell me how I am supposed to manage my own high risk,  a 60% drop in income, and the kids' dad's sudden at-home dialysis, when I have to go to work in the schools they won't close, with the kids parents won't keep home, and then not get frustrated when posters come in and spread harmful advice. The new thread, someone already said it was just for people with options. 

 

Just saw this come in after I wrote the above.  

What you wrote is overwhelming and a downright impossible burden to bear.  ((((StellaM)))). 

Edited March 15, 2020 by Garga

[Terabith]

3 minutes ago, Pen said:

 

Btw, Antibiotics are not appropriate for viral infections unless there’s a simultaneous bacterial infection. 

I am glad that the families you reached out to are ok. At least for now.

Right, but his point was that I recovered relatively quickly and viral stuff didn't turn into bacterial.  

[Pen]

3 minutes ago, StellaM said:

 

The problem is that the response IS political.  And I mean, what the heck is political anyway? Is talking about school closures political? Is contradicting harmful and inaccurate advice that's come from politicians, political?

 

Since you are in Australia you can probably write things sort of about Aus politics without causing thread shut down.  

There is a very divisive political situation in USA currently .  

Probably would be best if you want to contradict incorrect advice from politicians just to give the correct facts as best you know them, ideally with a source reference of where you got the correct facts— without mentioning the politician at all. 

[Ausmumof3]

9 minutes ago, StellaM said:

 

I'm drowning today. 

Just...no-one can tell me how I am supposed to manage my own high risk,  a 60% drop in income, and the kids' dad's sudden at-home dialysis, when I have to go to work in the schools they won't close, with the kids parents won't keep home, and then not get frustrated when posters come in and spread harmful advice. The new thread, someone already said it was just for people with options. 

 

Sending some love your way.  I missed the update from you earlier but hoping for some strength for you to deal and better solutions and response for all of us.  
 

I really don’t mind discussion in this thread at all, just hope we can keep it alive.

[Ausmumof3]

ABC:  Spanish PM's wife tests positive

Spain has been the big story this morning when it comes to coronavirus and now the wife of Spanish PM Pedro Sanchez has tested positive.

Begoña Gómez was confirmed positive shortly after the PM spoke this morning after Spain's death toll rose by over 70 in the 24-hour period.

Edited March 15, 2020 by Ausmumof3

[Ausmumof3]

ABC:

World case numbers

A few of you have asked for world numbers so here are some of what might be most relevant to you all.

Worldwide cases: 156,112

Worldwide recovered: 73,995

Worldwide deaths: 5,829

China cases: 80,990 - deaths: 3,203

Italy cases: 21,157, deaths 1,441

Iran cases: 12,729, deaths 611

Spain cases: 6,391, deaths 195

France cases: 4,480, deaths 91

Germany cases: 4,585, deaths 9

USA cases 2,726, deaths 54

UK cases: 1,143, deaths 21

These are the latest figures from Johns Hopkins University

[Pen]

46 minutes ago, StellaM said:

 

This is literally the only thread on this board where I feel like I can express my (reasonable) fears and frustrations. 

I did not know till today that it was only meant for news.

If most people want to keep it for news, I'll respect that, but I'm feeling pretty sorry for myself right about now and people are just going to have to give me a pass for any tone change that occurred prior to me knowing it's just a news thread. I thought it was news, personal experiences and advice.

 

 

You’ve been fine. 

I don’t think discussion is the problem.

I don’t think personal experience is the problem.

I think the problem is when things have turned into attacks whether against a media personality, a politician, a political party, or people on the thread feeling attacked.  

It can happen accidentally of course.

And it can happen from personal stress and fear too.  

But we need to try to keep things supportive.  Even if we are trying to suggest to someone that this might not be best time for a round the world in 80 days trip, we still need to do our best to keep it supportive.  

You weren’t responsible for the problem posts anyway afaik, so maybe best let it be? 

 

[Arcadia]

https://abc7news.com/health/coronavirus-impacting-tahoe-ski-resorts/6013940/
“Coronavirus Impact: Tahoe resorts temporarily closing over COVID-19 concerns

LAKE TAHOE, Calif. (KGO) -- Coronavirus closures are now impacting Tahoe ski resorts.

Northstar, Heavenly and Kirkwood ski resorts will be closed starting Sunday, March 15.

Vail Resorts, which owns all three, made the decision to close all North American mountain resorts until Monday, March 23.

Squaw Valley and Alpine Meadows is also suspending operations tomorrow with no immediate plans to reopen.”

[Ausmumof3]

https://mobile.twitter.com/BrookeGMcDonald/status/1238986272137502720
 

o Hare airport - looks so busy.  I guess this is all students trying to get home etc?

[TCB]

I joined a Covid-19 health workers FB group today and they were talking on there about Italy having to make decisions about not intubating those over 60. It's hard to even imagine such a situation!

[Ali in OR]

This is not news or medical information. Just my own personal life.

I don't normally have anxiety issues, but I have had a lot of anxiety since things began really ramping up on Thursday. A lot of that was worry about my college kid in Santa Clara County. She wasn't planning to come home until after her finals were done next Friday. We talked to her Thursday and she was ready to change that, so we booked her on a flight out of there today. She went through SJC where 4 TSA agents have tested positive. Talk of limiting domestic travel just brought on a wave of anxiety again--just let me get my kid home! Anyway, I picked her up from PDX this afternoon and we have her home safe, so that will help with the anxiety a bit. It will go down more the longer we have her here healthy and can drop the fear that she picked up the virus somewhere along the way. We're all off school/work through the end of March. Well, dh is still working, just working from home. And college kid still has two online finals to take this week. But we don't have to go anywhere.

[lewelma]

20 hours ago, tuesdayschild said:

Thankfully no.  This man arrived in NZ last week, and tested positive on Friday 13th. 

(Thinking of @lewelma's family as they wait for their son/brother to get home !)

DS got home 3 hours ago!  ❤️❤️

[Ausmumof3]

More airport chaos - dfw airport

https://mobile.twitter.com/JasonWhitely/status/1238986444615618561

[TCB]

https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lanres/PIIS2213-2600(20)30116-8.pdf?fbclid=IwAR0c355qjqAKhemt8JHlD_uCfFVWZPcYqc8jh8LIEg6qPyQJhTP0nhofAMQ

The link above, if it works, is to a study about ACEi and ARBs and possible link to worse prognosis with Covid-19.

Now I'm worried about going to work and what that will be and now I'm worried about bringing it home and passing it on to dh who takes an ARB for hypertension.

[EKS]

1 hour ago, TCB said:

It’s interesting that S Korea has so many fewer in the 2 oldest categories.

That's because they're testing everyone. 

If you only test people with severe symptoms, and the virus is much more severe in the elderly, then positive test results are going to be skewed toward the elderly.

Edited March 15, 2020 by EKS

[Arcadia]

@Pen@Ali in OR@square_25@Matryoshka
https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/national-international/americans-brace-for-new-life-of-no-school-and-growing-dread/2254614/

““We have not reached our peak,” said Dr. Anthony Fauci of the National Institutes of Health. “We will see more cases, and we will see more suffering and death.”

Many working parents are scrambling to find child care, even if they are being allowed to work from home. The child care needs are especially dire for the legions of nurses, hospital and health care workers across the country who need to be on the job to deal with the crisis.

Governors drew up emergency plans to find child care for front-line medical workers and first responders, equating it to a wartime effort.

“I would put this as a World War II-capacity daycare for our public health workers because we’re going to need every single body we can get," said Oregon Gov. Kate Brown.

...
Olsen takes care of two babies, but starting next week, two girls ages 9 and 11 whom she once watched will also be under her supervision. Olsen said the girls’ parents are doctors and asked for her help after school was canceled. 

New York Mayor Bill de Blasio defied mounting pressure to close the nation's biggest school system, saying shutting the schools for the more than 1.1 million students could hamper the city’s ability to respond to the crisis by forcing parents who are first responders and healthcare workers to cast about for child care or stay home.”

[DoraBora]

28 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:

More airport chaos - dfw airport

https://mobile.twitter.com/JasonWhitely/status/1238986444615618561

This makes me want to cry.

[Arcadia]

Regardless of your political affinity ...

@Pen@Pawz4me@Acadie@Aura

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/investigations/how-the-u-s-plans-to-speed-up-coronavirus-testing/2254625/

““Using federal emergency authorities, the FDA approved a new test for the virus,” President Trump said during a press conference on Friday. As a result, Mr. Trump said nearly 2 million additional tests will become available in the U.S. next week. 

“Five million within a month,” he added. “I doubt we’ll need anywhere near that.”

With a total population of more than 329 million people, the U.S. has only performed just over 16,000 coronavirus tests, according to the last count from the Centers for Disease Control. That figure, however, does not reflect the actual number of patients tested for the virus since a single patient may have had to undergo more than one test in order to be properly diagnosed.

...

On Friday, Trump announced a partnership with America’s big box retailers that would allow the federal government to setup drive-thru testing centers in store parking lots across the country, including Walmart, Target, CVS, and Walgreens.

“We were eager to do our part to help serve the country,” said Doug McMillion, Walmart President and CEO. “We’ve been asked to make portions of our parking lot available in select locations in the beginning, and scaling over time as supply increases, so that people can experience the drive-thru experience.”

During the White House press conference on Friday, the Trump administration also announced a new screening website, designed by Google, that will soon allow patients to answer questions about their symptoms and, if deemed necessary, users would then be directed to the nearest testing site where results could be provided in 24 to 36 hours.

Trump attributed the future surge in coronavirus tests to the FDA’s expedited approval of a new type of test designed by Roche, a healthcare research company.

“We did this within hours after receiving the application from Roche,” Trump said. “A process that would normally take weeks.”

Up until recently, the U.S. largely relied on the CDC to test people for the coronavirus. The agency created America’s test for the virus, which it then distributed to public health labs across the country. In the wake of overwhelming demand, however, universities and private labs, including Quest Diagnostics and LabCorps, have since designed their own tests to diagnose even more patients. 

“We expect to be able to perform 10,000 tests a day by the end of next week and 20,000 tests a day by the end of the month,” Quest Diagnostics spokesperson Rachel Carr said in a statement. “Assuming there are no delays or shortages of necessary materials and supplies, commercial capacity is expected to exceed 280,000 tests per week by April 1.”

LabCorps tells NBC Bay Area the company can now test several thousand people a day, but did not provide a more detailed figure.”

ETA:

“Google is not working with the US government in building a nationwide website to help people determine whether and how to get a novel coronavirus test, despite what President Donald Trump said in the course of issuing an emergency declaration for the coronavirus pandemic. Instead, a much smaller trial website made by another division of Alphabet, Google’s parent company, is going up. It will only be able to direct people to testing facilities in the Bay Area.”https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/13/21179118/google-coronavirus-testing-screening-website-drive-thru-covid-19

Edited March 15, 2020 by Arcadia

[itsheresomewhere]

NJ has 69 cases confirmed.
 

For those here who might need a small mental pick me up-  Rita Wilson made a Spotify playlist for self quarantine.  It includes songs like- All by myself, I will survive and U can’t touch this. 
 

 

 

[Arcadia]

4 minutes ago, square_25 said:

I don't want to get into politics here, but didn't this get fact-checked by Google, who were very surprised to hear this? I thought it was actually they case that some Alphabet-affiliated company was working on a site for the Bay Area so that people could find testing centers, that's all? 

 

I edited to add for my original post. 

“Google is not working with the US government in building a nationwide website to help people determine whether and how to get a novel coronavirus test, despite what President Donald Trump said in the course of issuing an emergency declaration for the coronavirus pandemic. Instead, a much smaller trial website made by another division of Alphabet, Google’s parent company, is going up. It will only be able to direct people to testing facilities in the Bay Area.”https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/13/21179118/google-coronavirus-testing-screening-website-drive-thru-covid-19

[dsmith]

I just found out that there are 5 cases in our local hospital, the one where my fil just left to go to rehab. My anxiety level has been high but now it is even higher. He had been under the care of infectious disease specialists there, and I've seen the lax attitude of the staff in the past during the big MRSA problem they had some years ago. A friend is there now with a bypass scheduled for Monday. I've been reading interviews with various nurses and other hospital staff and how they feel unprepared to handle this and don't feel like they are receiving enough direction from higher ups. I'm ready to hide in my house for the next month or two! The hospital my brother is supposed to be receiving his cancer treatment at has at least one patient now. My son wants to live life as usual, but I feel the need to stay home. He's older but has Asperger's. He has an odd combination of anxiety about the virus and not caring about possibly being exposed somewhere. He can't NOT touch his face - usually his lips. It's a tic with him. I realize I can be on the extreme end of caution, but we are clashing a lot over this. I don't understand why people aren't taking this more seriously. I guess we'll see how this plays out over the next few weeks.

[mumto2]

I have debated posting but going for it.

 Little bit of context to go with the U.K. decisions.  Not sure I really agree with any of them but sort of get how they were made.  My family’s village is in the north and the area known nationally for having the worst services and management,  possibly in the entire country.   Lots of coal mine poverty.  I am speaking from what I know from living there for many years......other places may be different but for most pretty close.

First, our village has a fairly high percentage of elderly.  Many live in homes they bought in the 1970’s .  Sort of congregated together.

Generations do not leave the basic area........Grandparents and great grandparents are the afterschool and holiday care for most.  A school closure will mean that many of those people will take those kids for the duration.  It’s  one of the things I love about the culture but can see how it. Is going to stress the hospitals because theelderly  are all going to be exposed. ........I actually think they have a point about putting it off as long as possible.  

The elderly,  on a humorous note I keep thinking of all the free bus passes not in use.  They keep moving the age but around 70 you get a free bus pass anywhere in the country and they are used.  The busses from 10 to 3 are sort of old people party buses with people chatting all over, a social gathering.   Kids on busses too if schools close so the mix would not be great even for those not watching grand kids.   It’s sad to think of them shutting themselves in and probably somewhat voluntary.........neighbors are still going to have a good chat pegging their clothing out on nice mornings....if it isn’t raining it qualifies as nice.  Grocery delivery etc with a volunteer force I think will work assuming they have enough volunteers.  These people are all of a WWII mindset and many are going to burn up the phone lines and “do their part”.  Personally this one brings me comfort in the fact I am not going to have to worry about some elderly friends quite as much!

 

[SanDiegoMom]

My daughter just got home from LA after her college went to online.  We are so happy... and didn’t hug at all but sent her straight to the shower and she is Lysol wiping everything down. 
 

We aren’t seeing anyone until we feel sure she didn’t bring anything unwanted home!

[YaelAldrich]

6 hours ago, JennyD said:

Lewelma, I've been thinking of you and your son and hoping he has a smooth trip home.  You must be just beside yourself waiting for him.

Extensive new restrictions announced in Israel tonight.   All malls, restaurants, theaters, daycares, gyms, and hotels are closed. No gatherings of more than 10 people. It is unclear whether stores other than supermarkets and pharmacies are going to close yet, although it seems certain that we're headed that way within the next few days.  

Up to 193 cases in Israel and rising fast.  38 cases in the West Bank.  None in Gaza, thank goodness.  

I saw news reports of panic buying at supermarkets today.  I did a big shop on Thursday and we are pretty well stocked on staples, although I miss my big fridge and freezer back in the US.  

We stayed home for Shabbat and davened (prayed) together as a family instead of going to synagogue, then went out tonight when the kids' school opened for an hour to let the kids pick up their books.  The stress of being thousands of miles away from home during a major crisis is taking a toll, though.  it felt like everyone was taking turns melting down today,

 

 

 

Shavua tov!  Did you see the video where they took down a person who was supposed to be in quarantine on the street with two police officers in hazmat suits?  They are tracking cellphones.  That's Singapore Level stuff right there.

[Ausmumof3]

For Australians I watched the Pms speech it was extremely waffly.  He does sound stressed.

summary is 

14 day self isolation for all international entries to Australia 

ban on cruise ships

no Static gatherings more than 500

reviewing restrictions on visitors to aged care homes - decisions on Tuesday

schools to stay open - to be discussed again next Friday

 

 

[Ausmumof3]

Other comments from the PM - he reiterated the thing about how kids actually mingle with more other people when schools are closed ... and mentioned talking to Boris Johnson and Jacinta Arden.  Also mentioned herd immunity... 

so from that i take it we are no longer following us playbook and we are going to take bits out of the uk and Nz 

hopefully we can get some more good ideas from Jacinta 

[Ausmumof3]

BNO: 

NEW: Hoboken, New Jersey announces daily 10 p.m. to 5 a.m. curfew in effort to stop coronavirus

[DoraBora]

17 minutes ago, StellaM said:

Lots of people won't make it through. That's a fact. 

Most people will make it through.  Yes, people are suffering, and some are dying.  The numbers we see represent real people and it is a sad, sad situation.

 

Edited March 15, 2020 by DoraBora

[Pen]

28 minutes ago, Plum said:

Please, if your are feeling extreme stress and anxiousness, take a deep breathe, step outside, listen to some music or read a good book, and please please get away from the news for a bit. Speculation and fear-mongering is what the news thrives on. This is not a short term problem. We are going to be in this for awhile. It's going to become increasingly critical we recognize in ourselves or help our loved ones recognize signs of overload. 

Anxiety is going to reach new heights as positive test results roll in. We want tests. We all know it's out there. If we are already red-lining, there's nowhere to go when C19 creeps into our neighborhoods or into our homes. People who are resistant to staying home will begin to take it more and more seriously and stay home as the numbers increase. It takes time for anyone to adjust to this new norm. So please allow for some mistakes and errors in judgement, because there will be plenty of them. It's human nature to not be perfect all the time. Assuming someone is not outright defying self-isolation orders due to positive test results, no one purposely means harm. As long as we all do our best to minimize interaction with each other and keep our hands clean, we will make it through this. Keep Calm and Carry On. 💜

 

 

I see a lot of positive in the above thread. But it sounds like it is coming from someone who expects to have a mild case meaning what we normally think of as “mild” and not perhaps a 4 week pneumonia with permanent reduced lung capacity. So that unfortunately posts like that sometimes have the opposite effect of what I am sure you mean it to have.  Because

16 minutes ago, StellaM said:

 

Lots of people won't make it through. That's a fact. 

 

 

Is true.  

And some of the people posting here are dealing with that reality and listening to music, reading a good book etc won’t solve it. And may feel like a put down as to real issues . 

 

[PrincessMommy]

4 minutes ago, StellaM said:

 

For goodness sake, it's not negative, it's factual. 

People have died, are dying and will continue to die, especially if effective action isn't taken. 

Many places are not taking effective action. 

Stella - I'm not trying to be snarky.  It's hard to follow this thread if one walks away for any length of time, so I'm sure I've missed several posts.   Were you, or someone close to you, dx with the virus?  It sounds like from your posts that this has happened in your family.  If so, I'm so very sorry.   I hope everyone close to you is able to stay safe and receive good care.  hugs.

[YaelAldrich]

53 minutes ago, Thatboyofmine said:

Did we ever hear definitively if steroids help or don’t help? 

From talking to my kid's pediatrician, steroids are NOT recommended.

[importswim]

3 hours ago, DoraBora said:

 

It hasn't been officially ordered, but was "revealed" to a journalist named Robert Peston by an unnamed senior government official.  

 

 

My dad fits into this category (though my mom is just shy of it). Blah. Probably will be best for him, though, as he is very high risk to be one of the people that doesn't come through this virus well (diabetes, heart disease, other heart issues, etc...)

[Ausmumof3]

https://mobile.twitter.com/davidasinclair/status/1238972086317654019
 

over my head for today (headache) but interesting thread on possible interference with iron in blood if anyone’s up for it

[prairiewindmomma]

😁

Edited March 15, 2020 by prairiewindmomma

[Ausmumof3]

16 minutes ago, StellaM said:

 

edited to remove the quote in case you wanted to delete it for privacy  Hope it still makes sense

Are you or any of your kids eligible for carers pensions if you are having to do in home care.  I realise it’s a pittance anyway but everything has to help a bit.

Edited March 15, 2020 by Ausmumof3

[Ausmumof3]

And well... hugs to all of you dealing with crappy situations 

[prairiewindmomma]

Can we both delete my details now that I know you’ve seen this? Don’t want my post or your quote of my post widely out there.

[Ausmumof3]

2 minutes ago, StellaM said:

 

Kidney patients don't get disability pensions so far as I'm aware.

I think they get Newstart with different rules. 

Part of it is I said I would not do in-home care. Dialysis was supposed to be at a clinic. 

Off topic. Thanks. I'll look into it. 

https://kidney.org.au/your-kidneys/support/patient-and-carer-support/finance
 

this may be helpful if you’ve had a recent change in circumstances.

[prairiewindmomma]

Thank you, Stella.

[Pen]

It seems self evident to me  (though I have no study to back this up) that a person who comes into unnecessary social contact  with  4 people once per week reducing that To only 1 person every 4th week is not going to help reduce spread and flatten the curve as much as a person who comes into unnecessary social contact with a different 25 member group 5 days per week and going to a 250 member church once per week reducing down to 5 select unnecessary social contacts would help. 

 

[Pen]

25 minutes ago, Plum said:

I have no guarantee I'll have a mild case. No one has that guarantee other than the young. I'm closer to 50 than 40. I have low blood pressure, borderline diabetic, iron-deficient anemia, overweight and possibly an undiagnosed heart condition. My husband works at a hospital and could quite easily bring it home. That's my reality. Like I said, we all have our struggles.

I guess my issues aren't real enough though. 

 

Meaning you really are saying what you yourself do — breathe, read good book, listen to music to settle yourself? Not so much telling others that is what they need to do? 

Afaik, 

Not even the young have a guarantee. 

And there may be quite a few young orphans. Eespecially as many grandparents are the primary guardians of children already—I expect therevwill be  kids alive and well, but without relative caregivers left, so facing different sorts of troubles by time this is done. 

[Pen]

@StellaM should we try again to brainstorm how you can do life semi-safely?

(I saw a picture of a guy wearing a social isolation 1 meter or 2 meter disk. I thought, hey, Stella could use something like that!) 

I be lost track of time, I think, how far away is your doctor appt now?

And how is the vitamin D testing, or just supplementing going? 

 

[SoCal_Bear]

This was really eyeopening visual simulation of the effect of a quarantine and social distancing. Very useful as we are such a visually oriented society now.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/?fbclid=IwAR0wM8bycmNRlwDQc3dCEtqwQ93iEobXDz8Dw2WvXJrQoyDgG8jghd9NlE4

 

[Pen]

4 minutes ago, square_25 said:

Oh, that certainly seems right. Although I really wish we could run some more sophisticated simulations :-). 

 

Probably can with computer modeling.  Maybe some STEM oriented homeschoolers could do it.

(Hint hint??? Anyone?) 

Seems like it might be a prize winning science fair project when / if science fairs are allowed. 

[Arcadia]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-apple/apple-some-u-s-retailers-close-stores-to-contain-virus-idUSKBN2110A3

“Apparel retailer Urban Outfitters Inc (URBN.O), which owns brands including Anthropologie and Free People, said on Saturday it was closing all its consumer stores worldwide until at least March 28. 

Verizon Communications Inc (VZ.N) said it was temporarily closing "a number of its stores" across the United States in order to expand its work from home policy to include some of its retail employees.

T-Mobile US Inc (TMUS.O) said it will temporary close its stores that are located in a shopping mall starting March 16.”

[Pen]

1 minute ago, calbear said:

This was really eyeopening visual simulation of the effect of a quarantine and social distancing. Very useful as we are such a visually oriented society now.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/?fbclid=IwAR0wM8bycmNRlwDQc3dCEtqwQ93iEobXDz8Dw2WvXJrQoyDgG8jghd9NlE4

 

 

8 minutes ago, square_25 said:

Oh, that certainly seems right. Although I really wish we could run some more sophisticated simulations :-). 

 

There you go. At least a good visual simulation!

[Arcadia]

13 minutes ago, Pen said:

 

Probably can with computer modeling.  Maybe some STEM oriented homeschoolers could do it.

 

The difficulty with computer modeling is we don’t know how many super spreaders there would be for COVID19.