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  1. I’m catching up back from start of thread! I don’t think masks for general public will necessarily help a lot with Covid-19 because of its extreme transmissibility. And because it’s hard to use proper protocol with masks themselves. And because of sold out supplies and needing them for medical workers. But might help with other illnesses. So I would agree that I’d like it to be more normalized
  2. @Stella adding to my answer above. If deficient, the supplements or sun or something is very important not just because of this particular virus threat. D is involved in huge numbers of body processes. If “okay” but not optimum, getting to more optimum not bare level of okay is likely to help according to what I have read. If already optimum, don’t take extra. While most people have lower than optimum levels (because clothing, indoor modern lives etc) one doesn’t want to be way too high. Did you get to see the slide show I linked upthread? (The one I now can’t find?)
  3. There are some calculators online where you can put in latitude and get figures on how long you need to be in sun, at what time of day, with how much of body exposed, to get good Vitamin D. Even in Australia it may be that you can’t get enough in winter especially if working etc in Prime sun hours.
  4. So far as I know if Vitamin D levels are naturally high (and being still in summertime yours may be) then no, afaik, supplementing not needed. (Though some liver might give the A and K parts nicely. ) I want my level to be around 100nmol/L or higher but not higher than 300nmol/L. I know I had very low levels in past and have never tested up at current optimum levels. And I live in the cloudy, rainy Pacific North West of the USA, so poor sunshine most of year in a forestry area little valley in mountains so even in summer there’s not many hours when sun is not shaded. [ (And I have had a melanoma so possibly there are some issues with sunbathing for me (or not—my main melanoma was not in a particularly sun exposed area, though some other pre melanomas and other skin cancers were)] In general, 1000iu raises level by 10nmol, so I am taking 10,000-15000iu per day for past few days. (I used to take 4000iu per day). I was afraid to go that high in past because of D toxicity issues, hypercalcemia etc, but I feel I researched it and that with K2 and A and E balance that I’m okay on that. And... I feel remarkable better (or less terrible fatigue, pain, etc) in terms of my chronic illness in these last days with this much higher dose. Btw— note that I am using nmol/L and IU units. Not ng/ml . Not micrograms of D3. The units matter.
  5. Has anyone taken a stab at this yet? I don’t know answer. But it seems like a great question. Can you leave shoes outside where UV light from sun can help sterilize? Set up a clothesline in sun? Just leaving them outside or in garage or on landing outside apartment, etc, virus will tend to die with time. Or maybe much better would be plastic bagging so virus is contained while time is helping for the viruses to die. Bagging in plastic and heating from outside bag with blow dryer so heat could speed up die off? (Should we feel sorry for the viruses who are just trying to “live” (debatable) out their lives and we are plotting about trying to kill the viruses?) I don’t know what spray is being used in Photos of epidemic hot areas. But it may take more spray than would be feasible long term. And could have unintended bad consequences perhaps like increasing bacteria that are antibiotic resistant or what have you. I think for ordinary non medical etc workers other options might be better.
  6. Wow! Whole other level consideration. well for those of us in bushfire / wildfire areas some portable stuff might be useful. But I figure if needing to evacuate portable only needs to be for a limited time. I don’t know. The Covid-19 scenario would be forced evacuation, but to something like a repurposed convention center, and still feeling well or minimally sick? I think one’s personal medicines if any, things like that. Maybe a water bottle and some granola bars or similar ? I dunno. I’d think carrying stuff would be hard. I’d want my cellphone and charger and cord. Glasses. Eye drops I use. Change of clothing if allowed. Stuff like that. My vitamins and supplements. I would not have thought to bring a lot of food. But ????
  7. Is there some useful action you can take? If so sometimes action helps anxiety. If not maybe physical exercise? Meditation? Logic? The virus is likely to be mild for most of the young people with this if it doesn’t change its patterns, so long as they don’t have the risk factors . (Though Professors, staff, parents... who are older will be more vulnerable.)
  8. Well again, as in my reply to @8filltheheart, sloooooowwwwiiinngg spread down helps keep medical care system from being swamped by the more serious cases. I mostly agree with the just buy a little extra idea I agree with others who have explained that for a lot of people a big bag of rice and a big bag of beans is financially and storage space feasible. and clean water of course — yes. Probably people on municipal water systems will still have running water as good as whatever is the usual, but filter could be helpful. I also agree with whoever mentioned having some salt and oil too.
  9. If people get sick more gradually the medical system has a better chance of coping. So not hiding to prevent, but to slow it down. I decided to elaborate because this is important IMO. Following the math of this thing, and NB I’m pretty tired right now so could be making huge arithmetic mistakes... if you have, say an area with ~ 500,000 population and ~ 2000 hospital beds, and where, say, 100 of the hospital beds are relevant adult ICU, if 50% of the 500,000 come down with the virus within weeks of each other and ~ 20% need the hospital that’s 50,000 needing hospital many overlapping in need —It’s going to way overwhelm the 2000 beds available at the hospitals (and ICUs also) . (Even if only 40% get sick and only 10% of them need hospital, it’s still overwhelming if condensed in time. ) On the other hand, If it can be draaaaawn out, with same number of people ultimately getting sick, but over 2-4 years then it becomes far more manageable. Still a lot though. But more manageable, more absorbable. More likely for medical systems to be able to give care that would save more people— possibly including front line health care workers who may get it. Also if people develop antibodies, after recovery they possibly may be able to then help more with things like delivering food to homebound sick... (and too if drawn out, it could be that a helpful effective non dangerous vaccine arrives )
  10. Tag at people with situations that increase risks of being in non mild illness group: Another link to VitaminDWiki relevant to D and coronaviruses. (I lost my slide show link if anyone knows where it went btw) I don’t know that D will help, and it probably won’t prevent entirely, but especially for those of us with higher risk factors maybe it could help us to have a mild version not a severe version. And it’s available pretty inexpensively. Anyway, I’m taking mine. [Dr John whose videos I like, and who doesn’t mostly even believe in supplements as a good thing says he is taking his (though less than I am). ] If taking lots of added D3 also look at info on balancing with A and K2 and maybe E. I don’t know if D from sunshine also needs balancing .
  11. So, my DS says they talked about it in school and his teachers say it’s nothing. Less bad than flu. Just media hype. I’m not sure if that’s a bad thing as having over anxious students would not be a particular help. But...otoh...
  12. If people get sick more gradually the medical system has a better chance of coping. So not hiding to prevent, but to slow it down.
  13. Except for people who are needing to protect due to skin issues (or health care workers etc), I think the most useful gloves may just be washable ones — like not too thick winter fuzzies that would discourage touching hands to eyes, nose, mouth (because, yuck, fuzzy 🤢) and when taken off and washed would take a bunch of germs with them, leaving less for the soap and water. Unless you have cuts, or perhaps eczema, yeah if you just behave in usual way but with gloves on, IMO, it’s pointless.
  14. If a lot of people “do the right things” it may well help hugely for it to not be that bad—in which case, ironically, many people may feel like it wasn’t that bad and the precautions weren’t needed, not realizing that precautions helped make the situation “not that bad.”
  15. So much for KonMari minimalist approach. 😁. No , actually, I think being able to get through a two week quarantine will spark more joy in the circumstances than not being able to. And more serenity
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