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DS got home 3 hours ago!  ❤️❤️

Update-  my youngest is not only short of breath, coughing, dizzy, nausaues, and with headache-  she is also confused.  I called our doctor and talked with him and she is going to be going to the ER.

That's not a blanket right.  If my religion required human sacrifice, I can't practice it.  If my religion required sexual assault, I can't practice it. Freedom of religion isn't a blanket right

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6 minutes ago, Quill said:

I thought that was not true if you have filters on your air handler. 

 

An air filter catches dust, not viruses, which are much smaller. 

 

 

What I wonder about is the President...  Is the secret service keeping the line of succession away from each other? 

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4 minutes ago, Spryte said:

Can one of you link me to guidelines or an article with recommendations for those returning from Europe today and tomorrow?  Specifically, Germany.

Self isolate at home for 14 days?  Anything?  

Getting over the flu (confirmed by lab), and still too sick to really hunt for info.  

Thanks.
 

 

No idea on source reliability but does this help

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2020/03/americans-returning-from-europe-to-self-quarantine-―pence/

says Pence said they will be funneled through specific airports and need to self quarantine.

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43 minutes ago, Plum said:

We are going to have a lot of health care workers on quarantine soon. I do hope they figure out a way to utilize them for telemedicine so they can relieve some of the pressure while getting a paycheck. 

 

I hope so too.

Unfortunately, I don’t think tele fire fighting is possible and as we move into summer that’s also fire season.

if we have another bad fires year with firefighters out of commission it will be horrible.

 In that regard Australia heading into winter as this hits is probably lucky.

I am adding fire issues and keeping fire fighters well as part of my appeal to Governor office. 

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1 hour ago, Aura said:

I'm afraid that might happen here. They've got kids everywhere right now on spring break. They'll be back next week.  

Most schools in our area have planned spring break in the next several weeks. Our governor just announced that all K-12 schools have a mandatory 3 week spring break starting Monday. Colleges have already been closed. My poor homeschooled kids are still going to have school. Everything is being cancelled and we'll be stuck at home, so we might as well get some work done!

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Cnn:  Schools in France will close over coronavirus

France will impose measures to try and contain the spread of coronavirus including closing schools, postponing non-essential medical procedures and advising elderly people to stay at home, according to French President Emmanuel Macron.

According to the World Health Organization, France has 2,281 cases of coronavirus.

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4 minutes ago, SKL said:

Wondering what is going to happen with weddings under the new rules. 

Dare I extend that thought to funerals?

The Ohio governor specifically excluded weddings and funerals. If I were having a wedding or planning a funeral though, I'd be concerned because those events often include elderly family members.

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13 minutes ago, mommyoffive said:

Would an air purifier be a good thing to have?   Would it even work for this? 

We have two room air purifiers because of hay fever. They are probably not useful for coronavirus but I am happy with them for less severe runny noses for us.

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3 minutes ago, Pen said:

 

I hope so too.

Unfortunately, I don’t think tele fire fighting is possible and as we move into summer that’s also fire season.

if we have another bad fires year with firefighters out of commission it will be horrible.

 In that regard Australia heading into winter as this hits is probably lucky.

I am adding fire issues and keeping fire fighters well as part of my appeal to Governor office. 

If smoking and pollution makes people more vulnerable firefighters are going to be more vulnerable to this virus unfortunately.  Plus wild fire fighting here they end up sleeping in somewhat crowded conditions, spending all day in trucks and a lot of time with all the others on staging grounds.  Red Cross and other volunteers serving food.  It’s not uncommon for mild gastro type stuff to happen anyway during major incidents so I can imagine this spreading like crazy.

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DD's college is extending spring break a week, taking all classes online until April 5, and then reevaluating on-campus classes as needed. I imagine the concern about going online for the rest of the semester is the technical classes-it's hard to imagine an automotive technology class or a culinary arts class that could spend half the semester online and still be effective.

 

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10 minutes ago, mom2scouts said:

Most schools in our area have planned spring break in the next several weeks. Our governor just announced that all K-12 schools have a mandatory 3 week spring break starting Monday. Colleges have already been closed. My poor homeschooled kids are still going to have school. Everything is being cancelled and we'll be stuck at home, so we might as well get some work done!

Yeah mine too lol

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30 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:

One thing with a car journey is good, public restrooms and service stations.  Might need to bring back the filling service instead of everyone handling the pump.

I don’t know how relevant this is in us but our road trips tend to be longer and we have picked up sickness so many times particularly when crossing the nullabor.

Hmmmmmmm. Yes, I see that; good point. Although of course that's extremely localized, so being extra vigilant and not getting food in those places would help. 

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15 minutes ago, mom2scouts said:

Most schools in our area have planned spring break in the next several weeks. Our governor just announced that all K-12 schools have a mandatory 3 week spring break starting Monday. Colleges have already been closed. My poor homeschooled kids are still going to have school. Everything is being cancelled and we'll be stuck at home, so we might as well get some work done!

Mine will be doing school too.  I’m even ordering a SAT subject test review book for extra fun lol!!

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25 minutes ago, Pen said:

Travel moves potential cases from one place to another. It is much less bad in a private vehicle than if in an airplane, train, cruise ship etc. 

 

OK, but we have no reason to believe the cases are geographically restricted right now. We simply aren't testing enough. So chances are, it's going to be everywhere. At this point, all that matters is HOW MANY people you come in contact with. 

I absolutely see the point about highway rest stops, though. I didn't think of that. 

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10 minutes ago, mom2scouts said:

The Ohio governor specifically excluded weddings and funerals. If I were having a wedding or planning a funeral though, I'd be concerned because those events often include elderly family members.

Yes, I think people will ask elderly folks and certain out-of-towners to stay home, but it is hard to think of calling the whole wedding a sunk cost.  As for funerals, it's not like you can reschedule those.

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HVAC issue— we only have old heater, but my impression is some filters are supposed to have pores small enough to filter some viruses (don’t know about SARS-CoV-2 specifically). However judging by ours , there is still a lot of gap where filter isn’t a perfect fit, so there are space in visible gap size, not just pores in material.

 

 I think if there’s a known sick person they are supposed to be isolated in one room as much as possible with window open to ventilate as much as possible. A mask worn (I know, ha ha, what mask, there aren’t any, but whatever is possible then) when going to use communal bathroom etc.

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@Pen@MEmama@mathnerd

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/kaiser-to-open-drive-up-coronavirus-testing-areas/2253063/

“Kaiser Permanente medical facilities in Northern California are planning to open drive-up coronavirus testing for members who meet the criteria for a test, the health care nonprofit announced Wednesday.

The locations will enable Kaiser to safely test patients who may have COVID-19 while protectiing its own staff and minimizing potential exposure in the greater community, Kaiser said.

Patients who meet the Centers for Disease Control criteria for a test will receive a doctor’s order and an appointment to arrive for testing at one of the specially-equipped testing sites, Kaiser said. Medical staff will take necessary swabs for COVID-19, Flu and respiratory virus (RSV) testing while the patient remains in their car.”

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16 minutes ago, mom2scouts said:

Most schools in our area have planned spring break in the next several weeks. Our governor just announced that all K-12 schools have a mandatory 3 week spring break starting Monday. Colleges have already been closed. My poor homeschooled kids are still going to have school. Everything is being cancelled and we'll be stuck at home, so we might as well get some work done!

My poor kids have basically no spring break (well, two online providers have a break but their course load is heavy enough that they are using it to catch up.  Other parents are talking about having fun trying out homeschooling, meanwhile my poor kids have their noses to the grindstone!

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1 minute ago, SKL said:

Yes, I think people will ask elderly folks and certain out-of-towners to stay home, but it is hard to think of calling the whole wedding a sunk cost.  As for funerals, it's not like you can reschedule those.

I get what you’re saying but to be honest one wedding is going to be the least of the sunk costs we are talking about worldwide.

we have rellies getting married in a couple of months.  The couple wanted a smaller wedding and the parents a big one. Good chance they might be getting a smaller one after all.

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OK I'm not complaining about school being closed, but this is a big deal.  Lucky for me I work at home anyway.  Right or wrong, a lot of parents are gonna need a lot of help in the near future.

Also ...

My kids' cell phones are going nuts with KIDS being angry about school being closed!  That is a surprise.  😛

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Our Governor (Larry Hogan) is supposed to speak here at 4pm. According to dh’s friend (whose wife is a school principal) he is going to close all schools. 

I’m so stressed out about France.

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2 minutes ago, square_25 said:

 

OK, but we have no reason to believe the cases are geographically restricted right now. We simply aren't testing enough. So chances are, it's going to be everywhere. At this point, all that matters is HOW MANY people you come in contact with. 

I absolutely see the point about highway rest stops, though. I didn't think of that. 

 

I think we need to presume that it is not absolute ly everywhere yet.

Because if we prematurely act as if it is then we will make it be everywhere even if it is not at this time.  

People I know in some parts of Oregon and California are *not* seeing or hearing about the same sorts of weird probably CV19 illness that I have been seeing and hearing about in the interstate 5 corridor.   My mom in a part of NC is not yet, even though it has reached the state and nearby parts of neighboring states. 

I expect that even though it is in NYC already, it isn’t yet even in every spot of NYC. 

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That may be so. I think in some families every time anyone gets a cold everyone does. But it isn’t universally true even in very small single bath homes.

 

In my house I see no point to attempting social distancing... you do what works for you. However, I think it's worth noting that just because not everyone shows symptoms doesn't mean they avoided exposure. You can be infected with colds, flus, and coronavirus and show no symptoms. Asymptomatic cases are far more likely the reason not everyone gets sick when living in the same house.

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6 minutes ago, Arcadia said:

@Pen@MEmama@mathnerd

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/kaiser-to-open-drive-up-coronavirus-testing-areas/2253063/

“Kaiser Permanente medical facilities in Northern California are planning to open drive-up coronavirus testing for members who meet the criteria for a test, the health care nonprofit announced Wednesday.

The locations will enable Kaiser to safely test patients who may have COVID-19 while protectiing its own staff and minimizing potential exposure in the greater community, Kaiser said.

Patients who meet the Centers for Disease Control criteria for a test will receive a doctor’s order and an appointment to arrive for testing at one of the specially-equipped testing sites, Kaiser said. Medical staff will take necessary swabs for COVID-19, Flu and respiratory virus (RSV) testing while the patient remains in their car.”

 

Not shooting messenger, just commenting on content of post 😀😉

 

Unfortunately the CDC criteria are still way too narrow!!!

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1 minute ago, Pen said:

 

I think we need to presume that it is not absolute ly everywhere yet.

Because if we prematurely act as if it is then we will make it be everywhere even if it is not at this time.  

People I know in some parts of Oregon and California are *not* seeing or hearing about the same sorts of weird probably CV19 illness that I have been seeing and hearing about in the interstate 5 corridor.   My mom in a part of NC is not yet, even though it has reached the state and nearby parts of neighboring states. 

I expect that even though it is in NYC already, it isn’t yet even in every spot of NYC. 

 

I've been extremely pessimistic about our ability to not spread it everywhere since a few weeks ago. We'd need very severe travel restrictions and much better testing. It seems to be contagious enough that you don't need much exposure. And we're going to have exponentiating numbers of cases, a lot of whom won't know they don't simply have colds. 

I am happy to be proven wrong, though. I suppose if someone's coming into an area that currently seems to have few outbreaks, they should self-quarantine for 10 days. But again, I don't know if that'll really happen, because the areas without outbreaks aren't being careful at all right now. 

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3 minutes ago, TracyP said:

 

 

In my house I see no point to attempting social distancing... you do what works for you. However, I think it's worth noting that just because not everyone shows symptoms doesn't mean they avoided exposure. You can be infected with colds, flus, and coronavirus and show no symptoms. Asymptomatic cases are far more likely the reason not everyone gets sick when living in the same house.

I've mostly stopped getting colds my kids get, but that's because I've had so many colds that I'm immune to quite a few of them. I think this happens to pediatricians as well. But yeah, it's not that I'm not exposed. 

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11 minutes ago, Quill said:

Our Governor (Larry Hogan) is supposed to speak here at 4pm. According to dh’s friend (whose wife is a school principal) he is going to close all schools. 

I’m so stressed out about France.

 

I’m sorry, I’d be stressed too.

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51 minutes ago, Joker said:

Can't link right now but is it true that Disneyland was given an exemption from the large gatherings ban? 

I just don't get the stupidity if true. 

Yep.  I saw on CNN.  Also movie theatres etc.  cancelling private events and leaving those places open doesn’t make much sense.  

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17 minutes ago, Quill said:

I’m so stressed out about France.

I feel your stress.  I just want to get my boy home. I need to quit reading this thread, but I also feel like I need to be informed.  But there's nothing I can do, either his plane flies on Monday or it doesn't. I think the stress is having a child in a foreign country.

I am overwhelmed with FUD. Fear, uncertainty, and doubt. 

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46 minutes ago, Arcadia said:


https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/03/12/coronavirus-california-disneyland-closures-governor-newsom-covid/

“ANAHEIM (CBSLA/AP) – Disneyland and other large theme parks will not required to comply with California Gov. Gavin Newsom’s order against large gatherings to counter the spread of COVID-19.

Newsom said California public health officials issued an updated policy saying “non-essential” gatherings such as sporting events, concerts and conferences should be postponed or canceled until at least the end of March.

At a news conference Thursday, Gavin said Disneyland and other large theme parks, theaters and casinos are exempted from his order against gatherings of 250 people or more due to coronavirus due to the “complexity of their unique circumstances”, but discussions remain ongoing”


My ds who works for The Mouse figures one of these evenings before long, after park close, they will finally make an announcement and just not reopen the next day. For now attendance is probably low due to the rainy weather.  But then again, all those college kids whose classes are cancelled wouldn't let a little rain stop them from going to the parks!  

I can't believe a youth musical I'm involved with is going on as planned this weekend. I figure attendance will be so low that the audience can spread out and distance themselves appropriately! 

 

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1 minute ago, lewelma said:

I feel your stress.  I just want to get my boy home. I need to quit reading this thread, but I also feel like I need to be informed.  But there's nothing I can do, either his plane flies on Monday or it doesn't. I think the stress is having a child in a foreign country.

I am overwhelmed with FUD. Fear, uncertainty, and doubt. 

I'm so sorry. That's very stressful :-(. 

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There's a list of numbers of confirmed cases by state at the bottom of this article. I think the visual makes it clear how much it's spread: 

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/how-many-in-tri-state-have-tested-positive-for-coronavirus-here-are-latest-cases-by-the-numbers/2317721/

I do not see us avoiding spreading this everywhere without extremely effective federal involvement and severe restrictions with punishment for noncompliance. I don't think that is going to happen, though, given the current attitude in DC. And in a week, it'll be impossible, I think. 

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36 minutes ago, mom2scouts said:

Most schools in our area have planned spring break in the next several weeks. Our governor just announced that all K-12 schools have a mandatory 3 week spring break starting Monday. Colleges have already been closed. My poor homeschooled kids are still going to have school. Everything is being cancelled and we'll be stuck at home, so we might as well get some work done!

Yes, lots of upcoming spring breaks everywhere! I was talking specifically about colleges, though. (This thread is moving really fast!) 

UGA and several others are out this week and then Georgia State and Georgia Southern and several more are out next week. Apparently, a lot of UGA students are also from the Atlanta area, which is where we have the highest concentration of cases. If they don't extend or cancel spring break, I'm concerned they're going to end up with a ton of cases in a few weeks. I also don't want to see them bring cases into the dorms only to spread it around and then as cases inevitably pop up decide to suspend classes and send all those kids home, potentially many of which could asymptomatic carriers.

Of course, suspending classes comes with its own set of problems. There's just no easy answers to this situation. But the curve has to be flattened, and that's going to mean hard choices.

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5 minutes ago, lewelma said:

I feel your stress.  I just want to get my boy home. I need to quit reading this thread, but I also feel like I need to be informed.  But there's nothing I can do, either his plane flies on Monday or it doesn't. I think the stress is having a child in a foreign country.

I am overwhelmed with FUD. Fear, uncertainty, and doubt. 

Feeling so much for all the WTM mums with kids in other countries right now.  Hoping they all make it home safe and soon.

 

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Just now, lewelma said:

I feel your stress.  I just want to get my boy home. I need to quit reading this thread, but I also feel like I need to be informed.  But there's nothing I can do, either his plane flies on Monday or it doesn't. I think the stress is having a child in a foreign country.

I am overwhelmed with FUD. Fear, uncertainty, and doubt. 

Your son is at MIT? Does he have a place to go while figuring out his next step? We aren’t in Boston but not *too* far away if he needs a temporary place...

Im sorry you and he are in this position. DS is thinking about going to school in the UK, so I can only imagine... 😞

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2 minutes ago, square_25 said:

I'm so sorry. That's very stressful :-(. 

It seemed so reasonable 2 days ago to pick a Monday flight.  But things are moving fast.  NZ has no current cases -- the 5 we had have recovered. So I don't think Trump with ban flights to NZ, and NZ would not ban the flights, just require self-quarantine. I am more worried that United and AirNZ will cancel flights for lack of travellers. 

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One thing I’m wondering.  How strong is our internet going to be?  If more and more service move online is it likely to get overloaded?  I know in my area (semi rural) on weekends or evenings when everyone’s home it already gets really slow.  I can imagine if everyone’s locked down and trying to school and work online it will probably just fall over.  

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1 minute ago, Ausmumof3 said:

One thing I’m wondering.  How strong is our internet going to be?  If more and more service move online is it likely to get overloaded?  I know in my area (semi rural) on weekends or evenings when everyone’s home it already gets really slow.  I can imagine if everyone’s locked down and trying to school and work online it will probably just fall over.  

I've been wondering this. 

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1 minute ago, Ausmumof3 said:

One thing I’m wondering.  How strong is our internet going to be?  If more and more service move online is it likely to get overloaded?  I know in my area (semi rural) on weekends or evenings when everyone’s home it already gets really slow.  I can imagine if everyone’s locked down and trying to school and work online it will probably just fall over.  

I never even thought of that! Such a good question!

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Just now, lewelma said:

It seemed so reasonable 2 days ago to pick a Monday flight.  But things are moving fast.  NZ has no current cases -- the 5 we had have recovered. So I don't think Trump with ban flights to NZ, and NZ would not ban the flights, just require self-quarantine. I am more worried that United and AirNZ will cancel flights for lack of travellers. 

I think from some stuff I’ve seen they have to keep a certain number of flights running if they want to continue to own rights to fly that route?

https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/airport-slots-ghost-flights/index.html

hopefully this means that they will keep flying for a bit.

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2 minutes ago, MEmama said:

Your son is at MIT? Does he have a place to go while figuring out his next step? We aren’t in Boston but not *too* far away if he needs a temporary place...

Im sorry you and he are in this position. DS is thinking about going to school in the UK, so I can only imagine... 😞

Yes, he is at MIT and has been told to leave by Tuesday.  Thanks for the offer!  Actually, 2 other boardies in Boston have also been in touch too. 

DS is finishing classes tomorrow, then packing on Saturday, boxes picked up on Sunday, flight on Monday.  

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From WaPo live updates. 

With 5 cases of COVID-19 in Ohio and very few people tested so far, I've assumed we have extensive community transmission. But this estimate--potentially more than 100,000 people in our state--blows me away.

While I disagree with Governor DeWine on most issues, his announcement on closing K-12 schools and banning gatherings over 100 people is exactly the kind of leadership we need right now. And it's none too soon.

Ohio officials believe more than 100,000 people in the state carry coronavirus, underscoring limited testing

Ohio officials said Thursday that more than 100,000 people in the state are believed to carry the novel coronavirus, reinforcing fears that infections are far more widespread in the United States than limited testing confirms.

“We know now, just the fact of community spread says that at least 1 percent, at the very least 1 percent of our population is carrying this virus in Ohio today,” said Amy Acton, director of the Ohio Department of Health.

Ohio has just five confirmed cases of the virus and several dozen cases under investigation, Gov. Mike DeWine (R) said Thursday. But authorities there have been alarmed by evidence of community transmission and are taking drastic new steps to slow the coronavirus’s spread, including banning mass gatherings and closing all schools for at least three weeks.

The “extended spring break” set to begin Monday will affect more than a million students. Many schools throughout the country have closed amid coronavirus fears, but authorities have been reluctant to enact such a dramatic measure statewide.

Officials count more than 1,000 cases of coronavirus in the United States. But experts warn that this number does not capture the true extent of the spread, especially because efforts to test for the virus have run into glitches and critical delays.

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7 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:

One thing I’m wondering.  How strong is our internet going to be?  If more and more service move online is it likely to get overloaded?  

My WiFi service has been cranky this morning at the community college campus and when using our personal hotspot. Many in my area are working from home and four local community colleges are switching to fully online starting March 16th. I won’t be surprised if internet outages happen next week.

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3 minutes ago, lewelma said:

Yes, he is at MIT and has been told to leave by Tuesday.  Thanks for the offer!  Actually, 2 other boardies in Boston have also been in touch too. 

DS is finishing classes tomorrow, then packing on Saturday, boxes picked up on Sunday, flight on Monday.  

I hope it all goes well with his flight. I’m sure you can’t wait to have him home. ((Hugs))

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