musicianmom Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/harvey-weinstein-scandal/amp/nbc-news-fires-today-anchor-matt-lauer-after-sexual-misconduct-n824831 I’m to the point where I pretty much assume that everyone I see on tv is either a perpetrator or a victim of harassment. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creekland Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 Just saw that. (sigh) I'm thinking it's time I just plain stop watching any national news aside from BBC. Too bad BBC doesn't do local news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 Insane. Keep your pants on at work. Not especially difficult. 17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bettyandbob Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 Dh watches BBC and Sky. He likes because there's less celebrity stuff (until this week when the royal engagement was announced) they do local stuff sometimes. I remember noticing my dh was watching news about a traffic jam in Surrey. That was definitely not going help dh commute to work in the DC metro area. The down side is I have to inform dh about what's happening in our state, county, town, etc. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bettyandbob Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 (edited) whereas Matt Lauer has always come across to me as a smug SOB. Not upset to see either of them disappear from the spotlight. Yeah I have always hated his arrogant demeanor. When I saw the story I immediately thought can't wait to find who the replacement is. Edited November 29, 2017 by Diana P. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creekland Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 I liked Matt as NBC comes on after our local news, so it was the one we watched. I liked his delivery style and the camaraderie the group had. I wouldn't even have recognized Charlie Rose. We don't watch the other news channels. It's still frustrating with just how common this behavior has been and how long it has stayed hush hush among so many. It should have all come out back when it happened (preventing future occurrences), but who knows how society would have treated it then I suppose. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katy Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 I've thought Matt Lauer was a jerk ever since that scuff up with Ann Curry. 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bettyandbob Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 There's a certain irony that he was the anchor breaking or discussing these stories over the last few weeks. During the election when the story broke with the ET tapes from years ago and Billy Bush was fired he covered that too. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creekland Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 There's a certain irony that he was the anchor breaking or discussing these stories over the last few weeks. During the election when the story broke with the ET tapes from years ago and Billy Bush was fired he covered that too. Kinda makes one wonder how many other folks out there are wondering how long they have left, no? Not just TV or politics, but also in Universities or workplaces. 21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarbecueMom Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 Kinda makes one wonder how many other folks out there are wondering how long they have left, no? Not just TV or politics, but also in Universities or workplaces. And high schools. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amira Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 (edited) I hope everyone who has assaulted and harassed people, especially at work, is feeling really, really nervous right now. Edited November 29, 2017 by Amira 40 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unsinkable Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 (edited) https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/harvey-weinstein-scandal/amp/nbc-news-fires-today-anchor-matt-lauer-after-sexual-misconduct-n824831 I’m to the point where I pretty much assume that everyone I see on tv is either a perpetrator or a victim of harassment. I have mentioned this before...But I read a book called "Age of Sex Crime" when I was pregnant with oldest. And the one of the premises was that everyone in (our) society is either a victim or perpetrator. Interesting book but wrong time for me to read it! (Worse than reading Silence of the Lambs when driving alone cross-country!) Edited November 29, 2017 by unsinkable 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bettyandbob Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 I hope everyone who has assaulted and harassed people, especially at work, is feeling really, really nervous right now. If they aren't, they are arrogant and becoming more emboldened in their behavior. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 First comment I read on the FB news story blamed women for being overly sensitive and ruining all these fine men. Grrrr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creekland Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 First comment I read on the FB news story blamed women for being overly sensitive and ruining all these fine men. Grrrr. Gotta wonder what's in their closet... 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppy Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 This is wonderful that #metoo actually turned into action. Glad to give my time / attention / money to the non-predators. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppy Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 First comment I read on the FB news story blamed women for being overly sensitive and ruining all these fine men. Grrrr. It's really funny. There have been so many of these incidents, but THIS one is the one getting to people... I have two women I know (who are politically conservative) openly talking about all this being a witch hunt. Silence when it was politicians. But I guess, the whole premise of morning TV is that you invite these people into your home so it feels more personal. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawthorne44 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 Have y'll read this?https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/harvey-weinstein-scandal/weinstein-here-s-growing-list-men-accused-sexual-misconduct-n816546 It has the list of guys accused. At this moment, I am pretty sure that George Lucas is innocent of this stuff. A long time ago, the Princess Leia actress talked about how he was 'sexually unpersuadable'. Everyone else has a ? mark by their name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 Gotta wonder what's in their closet... Sadly, the comment was from a woman blaming women for ruining another fine man. Between FB comments and my own mother’s archaic comments, I’m done with this day already. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmandaVT Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 Variety magazine has been working on a big piece on this for a couple of months (according to the authors) - NBC was aware and there are multiple victims. https://twitter.com/RaminSetoodeh 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommyoffive Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 President Donald Trump noted Lauer's firing on Twitter, writing, "Wow, Matt Lauer was just fired from NBC for 'inappropriate sexual behavior in the workplace.' Taken from the article. Did this piss anyone else off? 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommyoffive Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 Have y'll read this? https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/harvey-weinstein-scandal/weinstein-here-s-growing-list-men-accused-sexual-misconduct-n816546 It has the list of guys accused. At this moment, I am pretty sure that George Lucas is innocent of this stuff. A long time ago, the Princess Leia actress talked about how he was 'sexually unpersuadable'. Everyone else has a ? mark by their name. Holy crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RootAnn Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 When I heard about this when I got up today, I figured NBC was looking for something new & fresh so they could say they acted right away - but that they probably knew about his actions previously. It is all okay until it starts losing you money. GRR! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bettyandbob Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 It's really funny. There have been so many of these incidents, but THIS one is the one getting to people... I have two women I know (who are politically conservative) openly talking about all this being a witch hunt. Silence when it was politicians. But I guess, the whole premise of morning TV is that you invite these people into your home so it feels more personal. Yeah. If you recall Billy Bush was fired tapes showing him with a celebrity who later became a candidate and president. Billy Bush was participating in a vulgar conversation, not actually leading. I'm not condoning such conversations. The person he had the conversation with -- more vulgar conversant -- was elected. I suspect NBC has known about the Matt Lauer thing a while. They are putting it out as a one off they learned about last night. My guess is last night they learned there was serious evidence that could not be covered up. Evidence the likely makes the whole NBC organization look bad. A swift firing is done to keep others from looking deeper and seeing more. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creekland Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 It's really funny. There have been so many of these incidents, but THIS one is the one getting to people... I have two women I know (who are politically conservative) openly talking about all this being a witch hunt. Silence when it was politicians. But I guess, the whole premise of morning TV is that you invite these people into your home so it feels more personal. I think this is it. One gets the feeling that they know them better. Folks (like me) might like their personality or they may not (as others have stated), but it's more than just the typical politician or basic "someone" out there. Obviously we don't know these people when they aren't behind the screen or in photos, but we think we do. Perhaps it's more like a co-worker or someone you knew at church or a club or similar. You thought you knew someone, but you didn't. Sadly, the comment was from a woman blaming women for ruining another fine man. Between FB comments and my own mother’s archaic comments, I’m done with this day already. There are plenty of women who find nothing at all wrong with this sort of behavior. There are some women who do similar things to men they get attracted to. It's nothing new. The story of Joseph back in Genesis in the Bible tells of something similar from the female side. President Donald Trump noted Lauer's firing on Twitter, writing, "Wow, Matt Lauer was just fired from NBC for 'inappropriate sexual behavior in the workplace.' Taken from the article. Did this piss anyone else off? It always pisses me off when he speaks up on these things, including that he was able to continue in the election - and folks voted for him knowing his past behavior, esp the part caught on tape. But that goes back to my answer to the previous quote. Not everyone (even women) consider this inappropriate. That's life. I'm glad the tide has changed personally. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annie G Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 President Donald Trump noted Lauer's firing on Twitter, writing, "Wow, Matt Lauer was just fired from NBC for 'inappropriate sexual behavior in the workplace.' Taken from the article. Did this piss anyone else off? The rest of the tweet was asking when top execs at Comcast and NBC would be fired for putting out fake news. So the more offensive thing to me is that he just used the Lauer news to push his fake news campaign. The woman (women?) Lauer harassed is nothing to Trump. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Ivy Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 President Donald Trump noted Lauer's firing on Twitter, writing, "Wow, Matt Lauer was just fired from NBC for 'inappropriate sexual behavior in the workplace.' Taken from the article. Did this piss anyone else off? "Hello, Pot. Meet Kettle." He has commented on every sexual behavior story. I feel like he's trying, belatedly, to deflect. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bettyandbob Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 I think the president thinks he's teflon on this. I also think, he probably believes his behavior is not harassment, even though the behavior of other people doing the same thing is. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsheresomewhere Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 When I heard about this when I got up today, I figured NBC was looking for something new & fresh so they could say they acted right away - but that they probably knew about his actions previously. It is all okay until it starts losing you money. GRR![/quote I have to wonder if this was an excuse for them to redo the horrible 9 am hour. Put MK in his slot for the morning. Matt has been rumored for years of multiple affairs and he had one expensive contract so why now. This would give a convenient way to move her without saying how she failed her that hour. Money talks. Considering how NBC handled Ann and Tamara...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hornblower Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 (edited) In case people missed this, the New Yorker did a big article on Trump's accusers. https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/listening-to-what-trumps-accusers-have-told-us The harasser in chief is indeed trying to deflect and alter reality. & also maybe we should stop hiring men until we figure out what is going on? Edited November 29, 2017 by hornblower 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie12345 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 Maybe I'm crazy, but I thought Lauer sounded... "off" during the parade coverage on Thursday, and even pointed it out to dh at the time. I wasn't really paying much attention to the television, but it caught my ear anyway. I can't help but think he knew what was coming. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hornblower Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 Also, another big case - this college athletics doctor has 3x as many victims as Jerry Sandusky https://thinkprogress.org/michigan-state-nassar-accountable-eded1a15229e/ 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rachel Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 The USA gymnastics doctor isn’t mentioned either. These stories just make me sick to my stomach for the victims. All victims, even if it wasn’t someone “famous†who harmed them. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mamaraby Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 I have to wonder if this was an excuse for them to redo the horrible 9 am hour. Put MK in his slot for the morning. Matt has been rumored for years of multiple affairs and he had one expensive contract so why now. This would give a convenient way to move her without saying how she failed her that hour. Money talks. Considering how NBC handled Ann and Tamara...... I suspect it’s more like there were multiple stories from other news outlets about to break and NBC wanted to get ahead of the story so that they can come out as the good guy instead of the under the rug sweeping, turn a blind eye, enabler. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bettyandbob Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 When I heard about this when I got up today, I figured NBC was looking for something new & fresh so they could say they acted right away - but that they probably knew about his actions previously. It is all okay until it starts losing you money. GRR![/quote I have to wonder if this was an excuse for them to redo the horrible 9 am hour. Put MK in his slot for the morning. Matt has been rumored for years of multiple affairs and he had one expensive contract so why now. This would give a convenient way to move her without saying how she failed her that hour. Money talks. Considering how NBC handled Ann and Tamara...... They'd be crazy to MK in there. I think they are trying to figure out what to do with her. The ratings for 9 am tanked from the first week she started. I think they will find another man. The 7 am and 8 am hours have mostly been a male anchor/host and female anchor/host: Matt and Savanah Matt and Ann Katie and Matt Bryant and Katie Jane and Bryant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lauraw4321 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 As with Charlie Rose, again I say I'm not surprised. However, Charlie Rose just gave me the willies, whereas Matt Lauer has always come across to me as a smug SOB. Not upset to see either of them disappear from the spotlight. Yes, this. I'm not surprised. At all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsheresomewhere Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 They'd be crazy to MK in there. I think they are trying to figure out what to do with her. The ratings for 9 am tanked from the first week she started. I think they will find another man. The 7 am and 8 am hours have mostly been a male anchor/host and female anchor/host: Matt and Savanah Matt and Ann Katie and Matt Bryant and Katie Jane and Bryant I would like to see them being back Willie to the weekday show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneezyone Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 & also maybe we should stop hiring men until we figure out what the hell is going on? Nice turn about, also fair play. Edited to improve the authenticity and strength of feeling.😂 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umsami Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 You got to wonder what Ann Curry is thinking right now. I wish they brought her back. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertBlossom Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 I know sexual assault has existed forever, but I think widespread pornography consumption is contributing to the problem. Charlie Rose was quoted as saying, "I always felt that I was pursuing shared feelings, even though I now realize I was mistaken." Pornography effects the way men view women and treat them and encourages this idea that women somehow want or are encouraging this kind of behavior in men. 17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkT Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 The USA gymnastics doctor isn’t mentioned either. These stories just make me sick to my stomach for the victims. All victims, even if it wasn’t someone “famous†who harmed them. He is one sick puppy who should rot in jail! Preying on under-age girls (or boys) is sickening! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halftime Hope Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 I have mentioned this before...But I read a book called "Age of Sex Crime" when I was pregnant with oldest. And the one of the premises was that everyone in (our) society is either a victim or perpetrator. Interesting book but wrong time for me to read it! (Worse than reading Silence of the Lambs when driving alone cross-country!) No offense to unsinkable, but I think that's a ridiculous premise. There are oodles of people who are neither. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unsinkable Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 (edited) No offense to unsinkable, but I think that's a ridiculous premise. There are oodles of people who are neither. I was trying to read your post and between me and the Head of Homeland Security, (see avatar) I ended up quoting you when I didn't mean to! Edited November 29, 2017 by unsinkable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnnE-girl Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 The comments on the Today Show Facebook post make me sad. The number of people who don’t seem to understand that it would have to be very bad, and corroborated for NBC to fire someone with such a big contract is really surprising. I agree with those who’ve said the network has probably known about improper behavior for a long time, and in the current climate couldn’t afford to hide it anymore. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maize Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 I was trying to read your post and between me and the Head of Homeland Security, (see avatar) I ended up quoting you when I didn't mean to! The Head of Homeland Security is quite a handsome fellow :) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathnerd Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 (edited) When I heard about this when I got up today, I figured NBC was looking for something new & fresh so they could say they acted right away - but that they probably knew about his actions previously. It is all okay until it starts losing you money. GRR! NBC is run by chickens. They are firing Lauer now because they know through their "internal investigation" that his accuser is the first among many victims and they want to show the stock holders that they are taking immediate and decisive action. This is the same network that refused to carry Ronen Farrow's news piece on Harvey Weinstein because Harvey's lawyers called the NBC bosses to stop it being broadcasted. Ronen ended up taking his story to the New York Times as he reports. NBC is not as nice a network with journalistic integrity as they claim to be. I am a big NBC watcher and after seeing Farrow's interview about NBC's reluctance to act on his investigation, I have stopped watching them. I watch BBC and PBS now for news. Edited November 29, 2017 by mathnerd 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissShellyA Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 It's such a shame to see how prevalent this problem is. All I can hope is that some positive change comes from all of the pain these victims have endured. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparklyUnicorn Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 (edited) No offense to unsinkable, but I think that's a ridiculous premise. There are oodles of people who are neither. What is most stunning to me is it often seems to me (emphasis on "seems") that those with the most to lose are the ones who behave the worst. I don't get that. It's like I dunno is there some sort of extra thrill in it or are they extra stuck on themselves and think they are invincible? Edited November 29, 2017 by SparklyUnicorn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrincessMommy Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 You got to wonder what Ann Curry is thinking right now. I wish they brought her back. I hope they do too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawnM Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 (edited) I have mentioned this before...But I read a book called "Age of Sex Crime" when I was pregnant with oldest. And the one of the premises was that everyone in (our) society is either a victim or perpetrator. Interesting book but wrong time for me to read it! (Worse than reading Silence of the Lambs when driving alone cross-country!) Huh.....I am not a perp or a victim......so there is one. But I am glad to see more speaking out! Edited November 29, 2017 by DawnM 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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