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creekland last won the day on November 29 2017

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About creekland

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    Retired homeschooler!
  • Birthday 08/23/1967

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    Married for 29+ years and have 3 sons (26, 24, 22).
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    Substitute teach math/science courses at our local public high school.

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  1. I agree. I don't think there should be just one approach and expect it to work for everyone. My preference in life is to offer incentives of various sorts and only end up with punishment if there's no other recourse. That approach works super well for me in school. There my view is to educate on how to review ideas/theories so more folks don't end up believing nonsense simply because they read it on the internet. I don't see that presumption. I think the anti-vax folks are just the ones who turn people off due to their faulty reasoning, and esp in times of epidemics, how mu
  2. Education is also incredibly important. We killed three suspected rabid (wild) critters near our farm in 2018. None had suspected human or tame critter contact, so we just buried them and warned all the neighbors. However, before we shot the last one (groundhog) I took a video of him stumbling around so I could show our new neighbors with 4 young children. With rabies in our area it's incredibly important that kids know not to help the "poor wounded animal," esp if it happens to a feral cat or something they think is tame and in need of help. I'm not sure if the parents had ever seen anyt
  3. But if the anti-vax folks convince the masses that vaccines are evil, it's not such a hyperbole. Yes, we have better medical care now - the same medical care that saved the lad with tetanus, but do we really want to count on that when there's a safe, better alternative? Airplanes and cars. The car is more familiar and one feels "safe" (at least until there's an accident), but the airplane is far and wide the safer alternative even with two recent crashes in the world. And may the newer tb vax in the works be truly better than the current one. Any killer disease eradicated is a good th
  4. And like vaxs vs disease, some folks are more afraid of airplanes than cars! Both sets of reasoning boggle the mind if one looks at statistics.
  5. And before the measles vaccine came about? Should we go back to the days where it killed approx 2.6 million every year? The measles vax is more reliable than the tb vax. I believe a new tb one is in the works though. "Before the introduction of measles vaccine in 1963 and widespread vaccination, major epidemics occurred approximately every 2–3 years and measles caused an estimated 2.6 million deaths each year. Approximately 110 000 people died from measles in 2017 – mostly children under the age of 5 years, despite the availability of a safe and effective vaccine. Measles is
  6. I think such discussions are incredibly useful TBH. I'm back on the road today, but will toss in a few of my off the cuff thoughts quickly. 1) Measles - which comes with mumps and rubella. These diseases are so contagious and dangerous - esp measles since it destroys the immune system for a time period. It's really, really important for those who have compromised immune systems that these are eliminated. A quick google search shows that approx 100,000+ folks died from measles in 2017 (worldwide). A good number of these are likely to be due to that destruction of the immune system. F
  7. Banking may be a good example of proving who I am, but it doesn't explain why I need to have/show proof of insurance every time my car gets inspected or reregistered. I've yet to need to wear that on my sleeve in order to get in my car and drive. When we applied for aid for college we had to show/prove a lot of things regarding finances. Of course, we had the choice of being full pay or skipping college instead. My lads had to have certain vaccinations then too (meningitis along with the basics). Medical Missions lad needed some to travel overseas and work in a clinic. The other option w
  8. Wealthy people everywhere have always had more choices than the masses or poor. It's been that way since the beginning of time and I can't imagine anything changing it in the near future. In your example, yes, they can afford home care, etc. Such is life. If the masses can't or choose not to, there's no reason they should be able to put others at risk, esp since the "scientific" reasoning many use is, well, not scientific. If education were all it took, there wouldn't be a problem. There is a problem. Other methods that protect the masses have to be adopted. If people want to isola
  9. Some choices are difficult, but yes, there is a choice. And in an epidemic situation, yes people can be banned from public places of all sorts. It's happened throughout US history. I've yet to hear of any court case regarding it, though feel free to link one if there's one out there. Quarantine signs used to be put on family's doors, etc. No one is banning anyone from a place of worship in a non-epidemic "worry" situation that I've seen.
  10. Have they said folks can't open their own business - perhaps online if needed? Any choice humans make comes with restrictions. Places of work often dictate clothing, work hours, language that can be used, cleanliness requirements, and more. Folks can truly choose not to work there if they don't like the rules. If making that choice means they can't come up with something else sustainable, then they might have to modify their standards on whatever it was they had issues with, but that's how life works. Dh owns his own company. He gets to make the rules. 😉 That's always a choice other
  11. I haven't seen where anyone has forced vaxs on folks, though maybe if one considers military members deployed overseas but in signing up these folks sign away their lives (BTDT). Otherwise, it's always choices. If you want to work here or attend here or go here, etc, then these are the requirements. It's really not any different than traveling in that aspect. Some countries require proof of vax in order to enter. One can always opt not to work/attend/go. It gets a little trickier when one is talking about kids. Are they truly their parent's property even when the parents make bad de
  12. Really? I've had to produce my passport and/or other forms of identification many times I choose to do things (even banking) or go somewhere. Haven't noticed any ill effects yet. I carry identification on me pretty much all the time, esp since I drive. I even have to have proof of insurance when I drive - still hasn't hurt me at all to have it and produce it when asked.
  13. Interesting read, though I'll admit I skipped a few pages considering how long it is. I'll just add it boggles my mind that anyone without a known allergic reaction or compromised immune system would avoid vaccines. I think it's far more of a "rebellion" attitude than anything at all health/science related. The same people, if vaccinations were reserved for an elite class of some sort, would be totally up in arms about it and trying to get them via any method they could. Personally I'm glad I can cut myself on our farm and not worry about tetanus or whether I cleaned my wound prope
  14. I'm back to visiting again due to contact I found today from a friend. Guess which thread caught my eye? 😉 Creekland is the name of our pony farm. We've cut down a lot since my farm hands lads moved out, but we still have 6 after just selling a yearling today. At our high point we had 28. My avatar comes from our passion... we also just returned from a trip with med school lad to the Dominican Republic over his spring break - found a nice AirBnB in Bayahibe so were able to do things, but avoid the resorts, etc. Fun stuff Creekland style. Yes, the lad still juggles. He show
  15. Which is why I tell people to ask (file an appeal). We didn't think it would work either, but it did. Then we thought it might work where middle son was a junior because he had established himself well there with a high GPA, research, being an RA, and oodles more. It would make sense that they would want to "keep" him able to come, but we didn't think it would work for my incoming Freshman lad at his school because they had no particular reason to "need" him. He wasn't even in their Honors College or signed up for an unusual major. It worked at both. I definitely can't say it will wo
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