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  1. DesertBlossom

    Abducted in Plain Sight

    Whoa there. You acted like others weren't appalled by this. Of course we are. It's awful. But I also can't get inside the heads of these people to understand why they let it happen. And yes, actually I do understand how and why the LDS culture that would have impacted this story.
  2. DesertBlossom

    Abducted in Plain Sight

    I don't think anyone isn't shocked and appalled by everything that happened. There is definitely a lot of blame to be placed upon the parents. A lot. But I also think it's hard to understand the level of manipulation this man had over their whole family in general. I don't know how much time passed before meeting him and the first abduction, but it sounds like he spent a LOT of time with the family. Their kids were friends with his kids. By this point he was a family friend.
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    Abducted in Plain Sight

    Of course. This poor girl spent years believing the world would end in destruction if she didn't follow through though. That has really got to mess a person up. After her first abduction her parents believed that she hadn't been abused, but she would really should have gotten some counseling. Maybe she did, but they never mentioned it. It seemed like they just took her home and went on with their lives, hoping this idea of them getting married would go away. Hopefully now kids go straight into some kind of counseling after this kind of trauma comes to light.
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    Abducted in Plain Sight

    She was fine. It was after my aunt divorced him and he moved away I think that we even knew he'd been making those plans. He never got very far with it. He had tried to get my sister to read some of his writings, but that was the worst of it. He was always the weird uncle.
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    Abducted in Plain Sight

    For sure. My brother is a detective with the SVU and I was asking him about red flags to watch out for. He said, rather dejectedly, that abusers of that kind are so good at manipulation it's often hard for anyone to know.
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    Abducted in Plain Sight

    One has to assume B's wife was also being manipulated and emotionally abused. I bet she's got crazy stories to tell as well.
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    Abducted in Plain Sight

    For sure. I am shocked their marriage survived it all. And Jan seems to have come out okay despite it. It's really upsetting to think about how long she suffered under his manipulation without anyone else knowing though.
  8. DesertBlossom

    Abducted in Plain Sight

    Good article. The naivete of her parents is definitely the most shocking part. Bewildering. I know some people are angry at them for allowing it all to happen, but I don't think we understand how manipulative the guy must have been. Strange but true-- my aunt used to be married to a man who claimed to be a prophet. Besides all his other weird ideas, he apparently also had my sister pegged to be his next wife. We didn't find all this out until later, after they divorced and he ran off and found another group of followers. But it's icky to think about.
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    Abducted in Plain Sight

    DH and I watched this tonight. Oh my word. It is just unbelievable that this happened. DH kept asking "is this really real?" We had to pause it a bunch of times so we could pick our jaws up off the floor. Has anyone else watched this yet?
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    kids of antivaxxers grow up

    I would have to go find the source, but something like 20-30% of people who come down with mumps have no symptoms. Just another note that blew my mind... the CDC says 72% of people who contract polio will have no symptoms whatsoever. I have heard that number to be as high as 95% though, with a few more only developing cold-like symptoms. https://www.cdc.gov/polio/about/index.htm ETA: Link with the 90-95% statistic. I know how devastating polio was for those that did develop paralysis, but still this statistic is mind boggling to me. https://www.stanfordchildrens.org/en/topic/default?id=poliomyelitis-polio-in-children-90-P02536
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    kids of antivaxxers grow up

    Here are a couple articles about waning immunity from the acellular pertussis vaccine. http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/137/3/e20153326 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/1456072 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5088088/
  12. Who is keeping kids from the tools they need to engage in safe sex? No one, not a single person, has suggested minors not have access to condoms. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there is no age requirement for purchasing condoms. It is not illegal to buy condoms for your underage children. This entire thread is about whether or not the school should be passing them out.
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    kids of antivaxxers grow up

    You're simplifying the situation though. Vaccines have definitely reduced the incidence of VPDs and the complications associated with them, but it's also not perfect. Before vaccination, when most people got these childhood diseases, breastfeeding infants were protected through their mothers. Most people got the diseases as children, when complications were least severe. So your adults and elderly (who are more at risk of complications) were protected from getting the diseases again by the lifelong immunity they acquired as children. These really were primarily childhood diseases. Much was assumed about the long-term effectiveness of vaccines and because of waning immunity, boosters have been added to the schedule. Some vaccines don't last very long at all. The mumps portion of the MMR isn't very effective, which is why we still see outbreaks in highly-vaccinated populations. The pertussis vaccine has been shown to lose effectiveness much more quickly than previously thought, which is the reason we have seen a huge push for boosters for adults in recent years. Etc. Etc. We really haven't had widespread vaccination campaigns for very long. My parents were likely to have gotten these childhood diseases naturally and had lifelong immunity, but I never did. And without regular titer checks, I have no way of knowing if I am still immune or if I was ever immune. (A small portion of people won't ever develop immunity via vaccination.) This whole "herd immunity" through vaccination is still an experiment. But what we're finding is that thanks to vaccination, those most vulnerable to VPDs are now infants who are not getting passive immunity through their breastfeeding mothers but still too young to be vaccinated and adults whose immunity has waned. I'm not saying that I want to go back to the day when everyone got measles either. But vaccination is also not a perfect science. There is still a lot we are learning about vaccines and their effectiveness and how they effect our immune systems. It's easy to blame these outbreaks on a very small number of anti-vaxxers, but the reality is there are a lot of us adults who are unknowingly completely unprotected. I can see if I can find the link, but I read recently that Washington has very high vaccination rates-- high enough that we should have "herd immunity" among school aged kids. So if these outbreaks aren't being caused by unvaccinated kids, why are we seeing them?
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    Best item you bought and ♥♥♥ lately?

    Add to me to the list of people who bought the can opener!
  15. I don't see how providing free condoms is going to help teenagers grow up into responsible adults who buy their own condoms. I think I'd be more in favor of taking field trips to the closest pharmacy and having kids practice buying their own dang condoms so they understand that a) it's not that hard b) no one is laughing and no one behind the counter cares that they are buying condoms and c) they aren't all that expensive.
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