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1 hour ago, BeachGal said:

This summer we used a car transport service to move our old car from Chicago to Portland where our son lives. It was about $1300 but went very smoothly.

These services contract with truck drivers. The driver will arrange a time to pick up and load the car on to his car trailer and then drive it to the destination. Can take a week or so because they might have to load other cars on as well.

I think the transport service started with “mon”.

I’m driving to Montana now and will see if I can find the exact name tonight.

A family member has used car transport services multiple times and has always been pleased.

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I did the opposite of lock down and went on a scheduled long weekend trip. It’s crazy out here. I’ve been in the airport for 4 hours. It’s nuts, so incredibly crowded. People on top of each other. Masks, but not well worn. There’s no way I don’t get covid out of this day. 

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11 minutes ago, Toocrazy!! said:

I did the opposite of lock down and went on a scheduled long weekend trip. It’s crazy out here. I’ve been in the airport for 4 hours. It’s nuts, so incredibly crowded. People on top of each other. Masks, but not well worn. There’s no way I don’t get covid out of this day. 

I'm confused. Were you looking to get it? Are you vaccinated?

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We leave tomorrow on our family vacation.  Lunches are ready to eat at the rest stop, so no eating out. We're camping for a week, with main activities being hiking, biking, and kayaking. 

My sister is also on her family vacation.  She's at Universal Studios Orlando.  And given that she only got the vaccine because her work "strongly encouraged" it and she thinks it would have been just the same amount of side effects if she got the virus.............I'm worried about them.  I really doubt the rest of her family are vaccinated. And they're definitely not masked down there.

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A bit of a funny...we spent this weekend in a rented cabin and herping in a wildlife refuge with L's BFF and her family. One of the areas we explored is a Cypress marsh, and was very mosquito laden. I can now attest that Happy Masks are mosquito proof, because I put mine on, not due to Covid risk, but because I really hate inhaling bugs, and I thought it might help . And it did-but I have several bites around the edges of the mask! 

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1 minute ago, HomeAgain said:

We leave tomorrow on our family vacation.  Lunches are ready to eat at the rest stop, so no eating out. We're camping for a week, with main activities being hiking, biking, and kayaking. 

My sister is also on her family vacation.  She's at Universal Studios Orlando.  And given that she only got the vaccine because her work "strongly encouraged" it and she thinks it would have been just the same amount of side effects if she got the virus.............I'm worried about them.  I really doubt the rest of her family are vaccinated. And they're definitely not masked down there.

Disney is requiring masks again so maybe Universal is as well? 

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3 minutes ago, lewelma said:

I'm confused. Were you looking to get it? Are you vaccinated?

Sorry, sarcasm not coming through😀 I’m vaccinated. Do not want it. It just seems inevitable with this day. And the crowds. I’m on a trip/reunion planned a couple months ago when I was comfortable With my vaccine protecting me. Now I just feel exposed and anxious. 

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6 minutes ago, Dmmetler said:

A bit of a funny...we spent this weekend in a rented cabin and herping in a wildlife refuge with L's BFF and her family. One of the areas we explored is a Cypress marsh, and was very mosquito laden. I can now attest that Happy Masks are mosquito proof, because I put mine on, not due to Covid risk, but because I really hate inhaling bugs, and I thought it might help . And it did-but I have several bites around the edges of the mask! 

I've been wearing my mask while hiking because of bugs too!  

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When we were trying to make decisions last spring on what the fall might look like, we assumed the vaccine would provide better prevention against transmission.  Now, I'm trying to figure out how to respond to the new information, and to be honest I'm confused.

What are people thinking as far as vaccinated people spreading to others.  We have a 90 year old in our family, and expect at least some contact between members of our household and a household with a newborn.  So, trying to figure out how much we restrict our vaccinated 14 year old to protect those two in particular.  

What are other people thinking?

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1 minute ago, BaseballandHockey said:

When we were trying to make decisions last spring on what the fall might look like, we assumed the vaccine would provide better prevention against transmission.  Now, I'm trying to figure out how to respond to the new information, and to be honest I'm confused.

What are people thinking as far as vaccinated people spreading to others.  We have a 90 year old in our family, and expect at least some contact between members of our household and a household with a newborn.  So, trying to figure out how much we restrict our vaccinated 14 year old to protect those two in particular.  

What are other people thinking?

I’m assuming vaccinated people spread, unfortunately. That’s why we stopped having babysitters.

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Just now, BaseballandHockey said:

I think it's clear that vaccinated people spread, but what isn't clear at all to me is how much, relative to unvaccinated people.

They don't know, because it is hard to measure. But if you go by viral load, they have equal viral load to unvaccinated people, if infected. Now, they are infectious for a shorter period of time, it seems. And they are obviously less likely to get infected - how less likely is in debate. 

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Am I the only one who got the vax only so I could safely be around at-risk (vaxed or unvaxed) people, and now I feel like there was no point?

And I'm back to thinking that maybe I should go out and catch it on purpose so I don't have to spend another 1.5 years staying away from loved ones.  😕

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1 minute ago, SKL said:

Am I the only one who got the vax only so I could safely be around at-risk (vaxed or unvaxed) people, and now I feel like there was no point?

And I'm back to thinking that maybe I should go out and catch it on purpose so I don't have to spend another 1.5 years staying away from loved ones.  😕

I don't think that getting it is going to keep you from getting it again.  I don't know what the stats are on that, but there are people who have gotten it more than once.

But i get it.  My unvaccinated kids were sick a bit ago and I was half hoping it was Covid so we could just be done dreading it.  And we could go live life.  

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2 minutes ago, SKL said:

Am I the only one who got the vax only so I could safely be around at-risk (vaxed or unvaxed) people, and now I feel like there was no point?

And I'm back to thinking that maybe I should go out and catch it on purpose so I don't have to spend another 1.5 years staying away from loved ones.  😕

I think there is still a point, but for most people we got it both to not spread it and to avoid time in a hospital. That said, yeah, it's super frustrating. My hope is that my mom and dad can get boosters which seem to really improve protection, so I feel better being around them. 

I'm also going to start testing before seeing them. 

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2 hours ago, Toocrazy!! said:

I did the opposite of lock down and went on a scheduled long weekend trip. It’s crazy out here. I’ve been in the airport for 4 hours. It’s nuts, so incredibly crowded. People on top of each other. Masks, but not well worn. There’s no way I don’t get covid out of this day. 

Oh that is so stressful.  Dh traveled for work about a month ago and said it was so busy, crowded, and horrible that we wouldn't be do that for a long time.  But now with the increased Delta numbers I would be so freaked.  

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3 minutes ago, SKL said:

Am I the only one who got the vax only so I could safely be around at-risk (vaxed or unvaxed) people, and now I feel like there was no point?

And I'm back to thinking that maybe I should go out and catch it on purpose so I don't have to spend another 1.5 years staying away from loved ones.  😕

Not the only one. 

It's so wearing, tiring, depressing, blah.  

With MIL being high risk, we're back to outdoors only, at a distance, with masks. Even though we all (her included) are vaccinated. 

Why why why why why. 

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1 minute ago, ktgrok said:

I think there is still a point, but for most people we got it both to not spread it and to avoid time in a hospital. That said, yeah, it's super frustrating. My hope is that my mom and dad can get boosters which seem to really improve protection, so I feel better being around them. 

I'm also going to start testing before seeing them. 

Okay, thank you. Yes. That is part of it. As I'm in a "woe is me, Covid sucks" funk at the moment, I needed that reminder. Thank you. 

 

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5 minutes ago, ktgrok said:

I think there is still a point, but for most people we got it both to not spread it and to avoid time in a hospital. That said, yeah, it's super frustrating. My hope is that my mom and dad can get boosters which seem to really improve protection, so I feel better being around them. 

I'm also going to start testing before seeing them. 

Yeah, I'm still happy to know that dh and I, who at our ages are not in the highest risk group but far from low risk with no vax, will at least now likely not die or be hospitalized, and we're still at least less likely to pass it on to my parents, who are in their 80s.  But while we were able to enjoy some indoor events with fully vaxed family this summer, I'm feeling like it's back to outside, and I'm wondering what that means about, say, Christmas.  Sigh.  Maaaybe the Delta wave will have passed by then???  Or there will be a Delta booster?  I sure hope they can get a specific Delta booster going fast - wasn't that supposed to be a feature of the mRNA technology, a fast pivot to boosters for new strains??

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This is freaking me out

In the past week, Florida has averaged 1,525 adult hospitalizations a day, and 35 daily pediatric hospitalizations.

Florida breaks record for COVID-19 hospitalizations (yahoo.com)

 

South Florida children’s hospitals report uptick in COVID-19 cases (local10.com)

“Right now in the hospital, we have 17 patients who are COVID-positive. Six of them are in our ICU, one of them on a ventilator,” he said.

Holtz Children’s Hospital is also seeing uptick in positive cases with kids. They currently have five pediatric hospitalizations. Of those, two are in the ICU.

 

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2 hours ago, BaseballandHockey said:

I think it's clear that vaccinated people spread, but what isn't clear at all to me is how much, relative to unvaccinated people.

The new CDC data included two different statistics, one suggesting an eight fold reduction and one suggesting a threefold reduction in illness among vaccinated people. I guess, now that I say that, that’s not exactly the same as transmission. But, people can’t spread it if they’re not infected, so it should be at least that much lower transmission. And it looks like vaccinated people drop viral load more quickly and clear it, so should be infectious for a shorter time. (I keep meaning to go look at the data more closely to see what the differences between how they got those two different numbers. I have a possible idea, but I want to look at it before guessing.)

1 hour ago, SKL said:

Am I the only one who got the vax only so I could safely be around at-risk (vaxed or unvaxed) people, and now I feel like there was no point?

And I'm back to thinking that maybe I should go out and catch it on purpose so I don't have to spend another 1.5 years staying away from loved ones.  😕

Well, besides still being less likely to spread it when vaccinated, and that being reason enough, I certainly think not being hospitalized and obviously not dying are reason enough. I’m not sure why anyone want to go out and get it on purpose, given that we know that healthy young people are being hospitalized, and it looks absolutely miserable to be in their position. And then you could still catch it again and spread it even if you had gotten sick (and survived). 

eta: realizing I was not thinking about the fact that you’re vaccinated when responding to the idea of going out and catching it. I wouldn’t have much concern that you were going to become hospitalized or die from it since you are vaccinated, but I still wouldn’t want to contribute to spread on purpose that way.

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1 hour ago, mommyoffive said:

Oh that is so stressful.  Dh traveled for work about a month ago and said it was so busy, crowded, and horrible that we wouldn't be do that for a long time.  But now with the increased Delta numbers I would be so freaked.  

I was in Tampa and Detroit airports last night.  It was wall to wall people.  No social distancing going on and very few were wearing masks over their nose.

I woke up with a sinus infection today and while I’m sure it’s not Covid, I wish I didn’t have to consider it(I have a sinus infection within 24 hours every time I fly, so I am not very concerned, but I still wish I didn’t have to think about it). 

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7 minutes ago, KSera said:

The new CDC data included two different statistics, one suggesting an eight fold reduction and one suggesting a threefold reduction in illness among vaccinated people. I guess, now that I say that, that’s not exactly the same as transmission. But, people can’t spread it if they’re not infected, so it should be at least that much lower transmission. And it looks like vaccinated people drop viral load more quickly and clear it, so should be infectious for a shorter time. (I keep meaning to go look at the data more closely to see what the differences between how they got those two different numbers. I have a possible idea, but I want to look at it before guessing.)

Well, besides still being less likely to spread it when vaccinated, and that being reason enough, I certainly think not being hospitalized and obviously not dying are reason enough. I’m not sure why anyone want to go out and get it on purpose, given that we know that healthy young people are being hospitalized, and it looks absolutely miserable to be in their position. And then you could still catch it again and spread it even if you had gotten sick (and survived). 

eta: realizing I was not thinking about the fact that you’re vaccinated when responding to the idea of going out and catching it. I wouldn’t have much concern that you were going to become hospitalized or die from it since you are vaccinated, but I still wouldn’t want to contribute to spread on purpose that way.

Yeah, I am getting extremely restless under lockdown, especially as I'm vaccinated - and honestly, I'm feeling like I want to break the rules - and frankly, I have ( by allowing adult dd to move back and forth between her house and ours) - part of me wants to get Covid over with while I still have strong effects of vaccination - I'm sick of dreading it. 

But the whole 'can still transmit' thing means I'm sitting tight. Don't want to be part of a transmission chain. 

 

 

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15 minutes ago, Melissa Louise said:

Yeah, I am getting extremely restless under lockdown, especially as I'm vaccinated - and honestly, I'm feeling like I want to break the rules - and frankly, I have ( by allowing adult dd to move back and forth between her house and ours) - part of me wants to get Covid over with while I still have strong effects of vaccination - I'm sick of dreading it. 

But the whole 'can still transmit' thing means I'm sitting tight. Don't want to be part of a transmission chain. 

I can absolutely imagine myself going out and getting it after the kids are vaccinated and after I hopefully get a booster... or at least no longer worrying about it. I obviously can't spend the rest of my life worrying about it, and getting it at a high level of vaccine-induced immunity would be nice. 

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Of course, what I'm really hoping is that SOMETHING produces long-lasting immunity. Because it's one thing to go out and get it once, and another thing to have an endemic illness that's actually quite scary floating around, which could have serious repercussions every single time you catch it 😕 

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I still have faith in the vaccine doing what it promised- cutting down on hospitalizations and deaths. So far it’s still doing that. I never trusted in the vaccine as a magic bullet to get back to “the American way of life” or whatever it is that people seem to be wanting it to do. I always  understood that going back to normal would be a long term goal, not a short term one. 
 

A combination of vaccine and masking means that I see friends, family, go to church, work and stores in a relatively safe way even if it’s a modified way.  But I also recognize that my county has a vaccination rate over 70% and my part of the county is between 80 and 90%. So it’s not just my vaccine that’s protecting me. 

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4 hours ago, BaseballandHockey said:

I think it's clear that vaccinated people spread, but what isn't clear at all to me is how much, relative to unvaccinated people.

We had the guy from Australia with Delta that went ALL around our city for a long weekend. He was in many indoor crowded venues including restaurants, bars, and a crowded museum exhibit. He came down with symptoms Friday night, and left Tuesday morning. He had had one jab (pfizer I think). They identified and isolated 2500 people and no one got it. The only person he spread it to was his wife. She tested positive once she arrived in Australia, and she was put straight into isolation so couldn't have gotten it from anyone else.   

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For parents of unvaccinated kids, Delta variant raises questions - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)

Swann recently published a report that found that in a worst-case scenario, without masking in schools, an additional 70% of children could be infected with the coronavirus within three months. Her research also shows that even if masking is required in all schools, if there are no other mitigation strategies, she still expects 40% of elementary school students to be infected within three months.

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25 minutes ago, mommyoffive said:

For parents of unvaccinated kids, Delta variant raises questions - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)

Swann recently published a report that found that in a worst-case scenario, without masking in schools, an additional 70% of children could be infected with the coronavirus within three months. Her research also shows that even if masking is required in all schools, if there are no other mitigation strategies, she still expects 40% of elementary school students to be infected within three months.

that is very scary

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I physically went into Walmart today. Didn’t exactly want to, but I found out they closed their curbside service due to lack of staff. And my car is in the shop, so I’m just scurrying around dh’s schedule.

Anyway, everyone was masked again, thank goodness. We’ve jumped from a 7 day average of 2-4/day for most of the summer up to 13 now. Our peak was something like 108 5 weeks after our last 13/day average. (Pop 170k)

My local school district doesn’t start for 4 more weeks, so that could help. Or just delay things.  🤷‍♀️ 

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3 minutes ago, Carrie12345 said:

I physically went into Walmart today. Didn’t exactly want to, but I found out they closed their curbside service due to lack of staff. And my car is in the shop, so I’m just scurrying around dh’s schedule.

Anyway, everyone was masked again, thank goodness. We’ve jumped from a 7 day average of 2-4/day for most of the summer up to 13 now. Our peak was something like 108 5 weeks after our last 13/day average. (Pop 170k)

My local school district doesn’t start for 4 more weeks, so that could help. Or just delay things.  🤷‍♀️ 

I went into Trader Joes this afternoon and noticed that masking was back up to ~70% of customers and staff. Masking had dropped off considerably throughout the summer—to the point I was feeling much less comfortable in public spaces—but it seems now that people are going back to wearing them. Yay! 
 

 

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While waiting for my Covid test at the CVS (in the parking lot), I saw multiple people going in and out the building, no masks. I saw a mask on one person, the worker who did my test. 

With record breaking hospitalization. 

I hate my state. 

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I've never been so glad that schools start so late around here.   My fall classes don't start until September 13th.  I'm really hoping that our mask mandates are back by then.  The way things are going, they should be.  If not, I may require them again based on the CDC and AAP recommendations, even though my county is not one the CDC is including in the recommendation.

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On 8/1/2021 at 5:10 PM, Jean in Newcastle said:

I still have faith in the vaccine doing what it promised- cutting down on hospitalizations and deaths. So far it’s still doing that. I never trusted in the vaccine as a magic bullet to get back to “the American way of life” or whatever it is that people seem to be wanting it to do. I always  understood that going back to normal would be a long term goal, not a short term one. 
 

A combination of vaccine and masking means that I see friends, family, go to church, work and stores in a relatively safe way even if it’s a modified way.  But I also recognize that my county has a vaccination rate over 70% and my part of the county is between 80 and 90%. So it’s not just my vaccine that’s protecting me. 

I no longer have faith in the vaccine -- at least for me. I was vaccinated in December/January. The latest data out of Israel shows that people vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine in January have only 16% protection against infection at this point. With the contagiousness of Delta, and the number of exposures I routinely have at work, I have little doubt that it is only a matter of time before I get Covid. I am beyond depressed and frankly cannot muster much empathy for the folks who have chosen not to vaccinate at this point. But, we need boosters for high-risk folks and vaxes for kids like yesterday. 

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4 minutes ago, SeaConquest said:

I no longer have faith in the vaccine -- at least for me. I was vaccinated in December/January. The latest data out of Israel shows that people vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine in January have only 16% protection against infection at this point. With the contagiousness of Delta, and the number of exposures I routinely have at work, I have little doubt that it is only a matter of time before I get Covid. I am beyond depressed and frankly cannot muster much empathy for the folks who have chosen not to vaccinate at this point. But, we need boosters for high-risk folks and vaxes for kids like yesterday. 

But would it still be a mild case? Are there numbers for that?

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9 minutes ago, SeaConquest said:

I no longer have faith in the vaccine -- at least for me. I was vaccinated in December/January. The latest data out of Israel shows that people vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine in January have only 16% protection against infection at this point. With the contagiousness of Delta, and the number of exposures I routinely have at work, I have little doubt that it is only a matter of time before I get Covid. I am beyond depressed and frankly cannot muster much empathy for the folks who have chosen not to vaccinate at this point. But, we need boosters for high-risk folks and vaxes for kids like yesterday. 

Ugh. How depressing. What were the numbers for hospitalization? 

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3 hours ago, MEmama said:

I went into Trader Joes this afternoon and noticed that masking was back up to ~70% of customers and staff. Masking had dropped off considerably throughout the summer—to the point I was feeling much less comfortable in public spaces—but it seems now that people are going back to wearing them. Yay! 

I'm seeing the same thing in NYC. 

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But would it still be a mild case? Are there numbers for that?

Define "mild." Mild to a medical professional means you don't end up hospitalized. Mild to you and I likely means something else. I mean, I have had pneumonia. I have had pleurisy. I have had the flu. I have had bronchitis more times than I can count. I didn't end up in the hospital with any of those, but they still sucked pretty badly. And a mild case of Covid can still be worse than all of those *and* cause long Covid on top of it. I don't want to deal with any of that, or to pass it to any of my family members to deal with. My husband is self-employed. If he stops working, there is no sick pay to help us.

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31 minutes ago, Wheres Toto said:

I've never been so glad that schools start so late around here.   My fall classes don't start until September 13th.  I'm really hoping that our mask mandates are back by then.  The way things are going, they should be.  If not, I may require them again based on the CDC and AAP recommendations, even though my county is not one the CDC is including in the recommendation.

My county (in MA) just hit the threshold to be included in the CDC masks-for-all-inside recommendations. But if course our wishy-washy governor is leaving it up to communities. I guess it's better than what's going on In states where governors are interfering in the opposite direction,  but still... ugh.

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1 minute ago, Not_a_Number said:

Ugh. How depressing. What were the numbers for hospitalization? 

I am not sure how meaningful those numbers are in Israel, where the vast majority of the population is vaccinated. My understanding is that most of the people who were hospitalized were vaccinated, but older/had risk factors, which is why they first started giving boosters to organ transplant recipients and other immunocompromised folks and then rolled it out to everyone over 60.

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5 minutes ago, SeaConquest said:

Define "mild." Mild to a medical professional means you don't end up hospitalized. Mild to you and I likely means something else. I mean, I have had pneumonia. I have had pleurisy. I have had the flu. I have had bronchitis more times than I can count. I didn't end up in the hospital with any of those, but they still sucked pretty badly. And a mild case of Covid can still be worse than all of those *and* cause long Covid on top of it. I don't want to deal with any of that, or to pass it to any of my family members to deal with. My husband is self-employed. If he stops working, there is no sick pay to help us.

I get that for sure.  I  *have* long covid after a mild case.  But I just can't help but think that if you had the vaccine your body would kick in to fight it quicker and it really could be milder than that mild.  

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1 minute ago, busymama7 said:

I get that for sure.  I  *have* long covid after a mild case.  But I just can't help but think that if you had the vaccine your body would kick in to fight it quicker and it really could be milder than that mild.  

I am very sorry that you are dealing with long Covid. My heart really goes out to you. I hope that you are right and that, if the worst happens, it will be a mild case. I think I am just feeling really hopeless about things right now. I am sure that I will snap out of it eventually. 

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33 minutes ago, SeaConquest said:

I am not sure how meaningful those numbers are in Israel, where the vast majority of the population is vaccinated. My understanding is that most of the people who were hospitalized were vaccinated, but older/had risk factors, which is why they first started giving boosters to organ transplant recipients and other immunocompromised folks and then rolled it out to everyone over 60.

They must have efficacy estimates for hospitalization, though? I see no reason the numbers would be that off.

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51 minutes ago, SeaConquest said:

I no longer have faith in the vaccine -- at least for me. I was vaccinated in December/January. The latest data out of Israel shows that people vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine in January have only 16% protection against infection at this point. With the contagiousness of Delta, and the number of exposures I routinely have at work, I have little doubt that it is only a matter of time before I get Covid. I am beyond depressed and frankly cannot muster much empathy for the folks who have chosen not to vaccinate at this point. But, we need boosters for high-risk folks and vaxes for kids like yesterday. 

Ugh do you know where that data is?

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