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DS got home 3 hours ago!  ❤️❤️

Update-  my youngest is not only short of breath, coughing, dizzy, nausaues, and with headache-  she is also confused.  I called our doctor and talked with him and she is going to be going to the ER.

That's not a blanket right.  If my religion required human sacrifice, I can't practice it.  If my religion required sexual assault, I can't practice it. Freedom of religion isn't a blanket right

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20 minutes ago, mommyoffive said:

I can't imagine a hospital that they are building in days to be a safe place to be. 

Wow, the death toll is now 56 with over 2000 infected.  

Yeah. I wouldn’t want to go there even after the virus burns out, but they have built bridges in less time. I watched a 60 Min Aus episode on YouTube a while back about China’s ghost cities. They use the same cookie cutter architectural blueprint for many of their buildings. Very little details. As straightforward and utilitarian as possible. 
 

copied from a Wuhan update FB group  it seems to be a little behind in the numbers. 

Here's the latest numbers:

As of the end of the day Saturday, 1,975 cases were confirmed in mainland China.
56 people are dead.
38 people outside mainland China have tested positive in the following places:

Australia (4 cases), France (3 cases), Hong Kong (5 cases), Japan (3 cases), Macao (2 cases), Malaysia (3 cases), Nepal (1 case), Singapore (3 cases), South Korea (2 cases), Taiwan (3 cases), Thailand (5 cases), United States (2 cases) and Vietnam (2 cases

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18 minutes ago, mommyoffive said:

I can't imagine a hospital that they are building in days to be a safe place to be. 

Wow, the death toll is now 56 with over 2000 infected.  

 

I might worry about materials offgassing, and I wouldn't want to be involved in the construction, but they are good at building big things quickly. I think this is going to be mostly prefab.

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Yes, the hospitals will be prefab.

Here is a short article from Stat News that summarizes two recent Lancet papers analyzing the effects of the virus:

https://www.statnews.com/2020/01/24/coronavirus-infections-no-symptoms-lancet-studies/

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1 hour ago, Plum said:

It’s hard to imagine how large a hospital with 1000 beds is. The largest hospital in my city has just under 800. Johns Hopkins has just over 1k beds. Cleveland Clinic is the 8th largest hospital in the US with 1400 beds.  The 11th largest hospital in the US has 1200 beds. 
https://largest.org/structures/hospitals-us/

That's true but Wuhan has more than 11 million people, that's NYC plus Houston. 1000 beds is a drop in the bucket for a city that size.

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16 hours ago, Amira said:

I assume it’s more about the the logistics regarding the quarantine. A friend of mine in Wuhan yesterday posted about how unconcerned she is about getting sick, but a quarantine has a pretty serious affect on everyone’s lives.  Schools would be closed now anyway, but if the quarantine lasts long, children will miss school.  Other types of medical emergencies are difficult to deal with in this situation.  Getting food might be complicated. So it probably makes sense for foreign governments to pull out their employees, or at least their families.

Yes. During SARS a lot of expatriates left Hong Kong early on. All non essential activities had ceased in the territory and there was not much point in staying. They often self quarantined thereafter.

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I’m having trouble processing one particular thing. Maybe someone who understands healthcare logistics better can help me out?

FTR, I’m trying to disregard extremes on both ends. I see all the “this is the big one”s and all of the “‘this is a hoax”es, but I’m mostly navigating straight to reported facts from reliable sources.

So... the current reports are that there are about 2,000 cases. China is saying they’re sending an additional 1230 medical experts, whatever that definition is. My layperson brain sees that and thinks... um, that’s... a lot. I mean, ratio-wise.  And thinking about that makes my brain want to go down all the extra scary paths.
(It doesn’t help that we just watched a video on how the world economy would have been impacted if Ebola had spread farther in Africa.)

I’m not opposed to thinking down the scary paths, I just don’t like to do it without valid reasons.  Is 1230 a logical response here?

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1 hour ago, Carrie12345 said:

I’m having trouble processing one particular thing. Maybe someone who understands healthcare logistics better can help me out?

FTR, I’m trying to disregard extremes on both ends. I see all the “this is the big one”s and all of the “‘this is a hoax”es, but I’m mostly navigating straight to reported facts from reliable sources.

So... the current reports are that there are about 2,000 cases. China is saying they’re sending an additional 1230 medical experts, whatever that definition is. My layperson brain sees that and thinks... um, that’s... a lot. I mean, ratio-wise.  And thinking about that makes my brain want to go down all the extra scary paths.
(It doesn’t help that we just watched a video on how the world economy would have been impacted if Ebola had spread farther in Africa.)

I’m not opposed to thinking down the scary paths, I just don’t like to do it without valid reasons.  Is 1230 a logical response here?

One possible explanation is that they're simply trying to be seen as very pro-active. They got a really terrible reputation for their handling of SARS, so . . they're trying to be seen as really on the ball for this. I'm in no way saying that's THE explanation. Just a possible one.

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1 hour ago, Carrie12345 said:

I’m having trouble processing one particular thing. Maybe someone who understands healthcare logistics better can help me out?

FTR, I’m trying to disregard extremes on both ends. I see all the “this is the big one”s and all of the “‘this is a hoax”es, but I’m mostly navigating straight to reported facts from reliable sources.

So... the current reports are that there are about 2,000 cases. China is saying they’re sending an additional 1230 medical experts, whatever that definition is. My layperson brain sees that and thinks... um, that’s... a lot. I mean, ratio-wise.  And thinking about that makes my brain want to go down all the extra scary paths.
(It doesn’t help that we just watched a video on how the world economy would have been impacted if Ebola had spread farther in Africa.)

I’m not opposed to thinking down the scary paths, I just don’t like to do it without valid reasons.  Is 1230 a logical response here?

The number of cases will not represent the number of people in the hospital. They can say only come to the hospital under these circumstances, but that's not going to happen. With 2,000 cases of the virus, 7,000 cases of influenza, 16,000 cases of rhinovirus and Aunt Myrtle being a hypochondriac again 1,230 extra workers might not cut it.

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3 hours ago, Carrie12345 said:

So... the current reports are that there are about 2,000 cases. China is saying they’re sending an additional 1230 medical experts, whatever that definition is. My layperson brain sees that and thinks... um, that’s... a lot. I mean, ratio-wise.  And thinking about that makes my brain want to go down all the extra scary paths.
(It doesn’t help that we just watched a video on how the world economy would have been impacted if Ebola had spread farther in Africa.)

I’m not opposed to thinking down the scary paths, I just don’t like to do it without valid reasons.  Is 1230 a logical response here?

The thing about epidemics is that they start small, explode up the S curve of new population growth and then die out. I think we're still in the initial slow growth stage. But, that doesn't mean it's a "We're all going to DIE" crisis either. The death rates aren't horrible, it's not the bubonic plague. Many more people are probably infected but haven't even been sick enough to go to the doctor, let alone the hospital. That's pretty normal for an influenza like respiratory virus. It's extremely bad luck that this emerged over the heaviest travel season and could spread even faster than normal because of that. There's the history of SARS and MERS and everyone is worried that someday there will be something that IS as deadly as the bubonic plague, so we tend to freak out.

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14 hours ago, kand said:

Are they going to quarantine the people they fly out of there? 
 

We had a local Lunar New Year celebration cancelled today out of an abundance of caution. 

At least for the US nationals leaving, the plane the government chartered had special accommodations and systems to deal with potential exposure. But obviously it's already spread out of Wuhan, especially within China.

You're in the US, right? It makes zero sense to me that a Lunar New Year's celebration need to be canceled here in the states at this point. I mean, yes, people travel back and forth, but there's no reason to worry here, at least not yet - though I assume hospitals and especially infectious disease docs are taking precautions.

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11 hours ago, mommyoffive said:

I can't imagine a hospital that they are building in days to be a safe place to be. 


Prefab is the norm and has been for years in densely populated areas in Asia. It gets buildings completed lots faster in tight land plots. 

5 hours ago, Carrie12345 said:

So... the current reports are that there are about 2,000 cases. China is saying they’re sending an additional 1230 medical experts, whatever that definition is.

I’m not opposed to thinking down the scary paths, I just don’t like to do it without valid reasons.  Is 1230 a logical response here?


1230 is a low number. The ratio of staff to patient they need is kind of like what was needed during the SARS epidemic, or in the ICU.  
 

From abc7news  https://abc7news.com/health/calif-woman-diagnosed-with-coronavirus;-3rd-case-in-us/5879796/

“CORONAVIRUS IN CA: The third U.S. case of coronavirus has been confirmed in Orange County, California, the OC Health Care Agency's Communicable Disease Control Division announced in a press release Sunday.”

 

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11 hours ago, Plum said:

Yeah. I wouldn’t want to go there even after the virus burns out, but they have built bridges in less time. I watched a 60 Min Aus episode on YouTube a while back about China’s ghost cities. They use the same cookie cutter architectural blueprint for many of their buildings. Very little details. As straightforward and utilitarian as possible. 
 

copied from a Wuhan update FB group  it seems to be a little behind in the numbers. 

Here's the latest numbers:

As of the end of the day Saturday, 1,975 cases were confirmed in mainland China.
56 people are dead.
38 people outside mainland China have tested positive in the following places:

Australia (4 cases), France (3 cases), Hong Kong (5 cases), Japan (3 cases), Macao (2 cases), Malaysia (3 cases), Nepal (1 case), Singapore (3 cases), South Korea (2 cases), Taiwan (3 cases), Thailand (5 cases), United States (2 cases) and Vietnam (2 cases

 

I am wondering if the spread isn't going to be as big in other countries?  I am surprised at this point that it hasn't spread  more in countries nearby at this point.  

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6 hours ago, Carrie12345 said:

I’m having trouble processing one particular thing. Maybe someone who understands healthcare logistics better can help me out?

FTR, I’m trying to disregard extremes on both ends. I see all the “this is the big one”s and all of the “‘this is a hoax”es, but I’m mostly navigating straight to reported facts from reliable sources.

So... the current reports are that there are about 2,000 cases. China is saying they’re sending an additional 1230 medical experts, whatever that definition is. My layperson brain sees that and thinks... um, that’s... a lot. I mean, ratio-wise.  And thinking about that makes my brain want to go down all the extra scary paths.
(It doesn’t help that we just watched a video on how the world economy would have been impacted if Ebola had spread farther in Africa.)

I’m not opposed to thinking down the scary paths, I just don’t like to do it without valid reasons.  Is 1230 a logical response here?

 

According to what my Ds related to me, The initial symptoms are those of a cold.  

People can infect others or be very sick with pneumonia or dead in 48 hours.  Stopping an epidemic requires diagnosing and contact tracking—

Figuring out who actually has “just a cold” versus the potentially deadly virus would take a lot of medical personnel.  Tracking the contacts ofs a person with the potentially deadly virus would take yet more medical personnel.

  1230 sounds very needed, maybe low. 

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1200 people isn't many.  Divide it by 3 shifts per day, and assume no one has a day off.  Say 5% are doctors or the equivalent.  Some of the people with pneumonia will need ICU level care, so one staff member for 3 patients. Others will need normal hospital care.  In the USA that typically looks like one nurse to 5-8 patients (OFTEN LESS FOR ISOLATION), and 1-2 techs per 6 nurses...

So by American standards even if the staff goes in wearing hazmat suits and doesn't have to change or wash gear in between patients (which would NOT be optimal)..

60 doctors, 1140 nurses and techs.

That means 20 doctors per shift.  Divided by two hospitals.  Ten doctors per shift at each new hospital.  Each doctor will cover 100 patients in 8 hours. 12.5 per hour or 3-4 minutes per patient.

1140 nursing staff (not broken down into students/techs/RNs).  380 per shift.  Divided by two hospitals.  190.  Divided by 1000 patients. Which means they'll be averaging 20 patients per nursing staff member.  Which means in every 8 hour shift patients will get an average of 20 minutes of attention.

Those are catastrophically bad numbers by American standards.  Huge mistakes will be made.

And if it's highly contagious there will be exponentially more sick people than 2000 in 10 days.

The good news is that it isn't as deadly as SARS or MERS.

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I will say I was thinking about driving into the city today to visit the aquarium we're members of.  And thought about this virus and decided not to.  It's unlikely we'd be exposed, but still...  I just couldn't stomach the thought of the risk or spending more hours in the children's hospital if the kids got it.   Not to mention how many times I've had pneumonia, I probably wouldn't survive it.  I forsee long hours at home for the rest of the flu season.

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Glad uni doesn’t start for another month. Dd when uni starts lives in accomodation that is specifically for Chinese international students here to learn English . She lives there because my brother’s mil owns and runs it. Plus well over half of her university are Asian  international students that will be returning to Australia very shortly

i am concerned because they will be arriving straight from China in the next few weeks, 

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1 hour ago, StellaM said:

 

I think it depends on how proactive each locations public health is.

We have some cases in my state, people infected in China who travelled here. 

An info program with advice for people in their positition was in airports immediately, which helped affected persons self-identify to health authorities.

Affected people are in isolation, and we have good isolation protocols, and lots of experience in tracing other people exposed, and monitoring/isolating those people.

It's likely (but not guaranteed) that any spread will be slow.

Our hospitals are generally good, they are not currently overwhelmed because this is not our flu season etc

That is a positive look at it. Personally I thought they could go through the motions of at least taking temperatures instead of just handing out leaflets.

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I wonder if the state of the US healthcare system means there will be fewer people self-identifying. Stella mentioned potential cases in Aus self-reporting and I'm like... I can easily imagine if you've been to China recently, don't have insurance or don't have great insurance, thinking, this is probably the flu and not going in. I mean, the cost of robot treatment? That's got to be astronomical.

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5 hours ago, Farrar said:

 

You're in the US, right? It makes zero sense to me that a Lunar New Year's celebration need to be canceled here in the states at this point. I mean, yes, people travel back and forth, but there's no reason to worry here, at least not yet - though I assume hospitals and especially infectious disease docs are taking precautions.

I thought the same thing when ours was canceled. But, then again, we don't know how many went to visit family and then came back for school for their kids. Some may very well have been in the zone during the time it was spreading without knowing.

 

3 hours ago, Pen said:

 

According to what my Ds related to me, The initial symptoms are those of a cold.  

People can infect others or be very sick with pneumonia or dead in 48 hours.  Stopping an epidemic requires diagnosing and contact tracking—

Figuring out who actually has “just a cold” versus the potentially deadly virus would take a lot of medical personnel.  Tracking the contacts ofs a person with the potentially deadly virus would take yet more medical personnel.

  1230 sounds very needed, maybe low. 

On Weibo, it's been posted that they are asking people who were on train X, Y, Z from/to A/D, etc., to report any symptoms because X number of cases have been found and they were on those trains. So they are trying to track people down. But that's a heck of a lot of people. The list I saw had 19 trains.

A person in our Chinese school WeChat posted a bulletin put out by the Shenzhen Municipal Health Committee shutting down many dental clinics. Because of the special equipment letting off mists, aerosols, etc., the risk of a patient getting treatment and spreading the virus is high. Essential/emergency cases only are to be seen. It was suggested (by the WeChat member) if anyone has just returned from China to not go to the dentist until after 14 days quarantine.

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1 hour ago, Farrar said:

I wonder if the state of the US healthcare system means there will be fewer people self-identifying. Stella mentioned potential cases in Aus self-reporting and I'm like... I can easily imagine if you've been to China recently, don't have insurance or don't have great insurance, thinking, this is probably the flu and not going in. I mean, the cost of robot treatment? That's got to be astronomical.

It has been said on the news here that even if you’re not and Australian citizen or not covered by Medicare if you’re concerned about coronavirus treatment will be free.  They are actively trying to get the message out over social media to groups they think are most at risk.  

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Last figures were 80 deaths, 3000 infections.  What concerned me was the number of actual cures and discharged was only around 50 Is that just because they are the very early patients who have had time to recover.  But does that mean the other 2,870 odd are still hospitalised?  Because that’s a lot of people!

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DH and I go to the gym at GMU, where there is reported to be a student, who recently came back from China,that may be infected. I’m hoping they keep us updated.🙏🏻

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Dh just had a let’s call it concerning experience at our Florida Home Depot where he was looking at face masks.......more for a plaster repair project than because I had suggested we might want a few just in case we need them.  The poster on some thread with the sick neighbor made me think my own small supply might be good.  He had a box in his hands and was reading the details when a Chinese woman cleared the shelf of all face masks.  All the face masks....she then called someone and appeared to be counting how many she had.  Yes, he did buy his box of 20 after that.

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3 hours ago, StellaM said:

 

I do think it's worth limiting discretionary exposure to big crowds at flu time anyway, especially if anyone in the family is susceptible to serious respiratory disease.

We’re trying to limit as much as reasonably possible (3 college courses across 2 kids were just paid for!) because I sure as heck don’t want anyone here having any type of respiratory virus while the whole world is looking at/for sick people!

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17 minutes ago, mumto2 said:

  He had a box in his hands and was reading the details when a Chinese woman cleared the shelf of all face masks.  All the face masks....she then called someone and appeared to be counting how many she had.  

 

Some are buying to mail back to their relatives in China. In my country of origin, Chinese expats are doing that. 

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1 hour ago, mumto2 said:

Dh just had a let’s call it concerning experience at our Florida Home Depot where he was looking at face masks.......more for a plaster repair project than because I had suggested we might want a few just in case we need them.  The poster on some thread with the sick neighbor made me think my own small supply might be good.  He had a box in his hands and was reading the details when a Chinese woman cleared the shelf of all face masks.  All the face masks....she then called someone and appeared to be counting how many she had.  Yes, he did buy his box of 20 after that.

 

43 minutes ago, Arcadia said:

 

Some are buying to mail back to their relatives in China. In my country of origin, Chinese expats are doing that. 

Wow. My oldest has a cold and dh just started a new job and can't get sick right now so I dug a pack of N95 masks I had in my sanding supplies. The straps are really tight on him, so I was thinking about getting some of those cloth carbon masks I've seen a few teens wear around here and Amazon is basically sold out of everything. I went over to the Home Depot website and they have limited stock in all stores.  I guess I know what's going in my emergency kit once this blows over. 

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Dh travels a lot for work (six trips coming up, one right after the other). He also has asthma, which is normally well-managed but occasionally lands him in the ER after a particularly bad cold or flu, so I decided to pick up face masks in case he wants to use them while flying.

Amazon was sold out and I had to go to three stores before I could find any!

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Sorry if someone has already posted because I haven’t read the entire thread 

From SCMP https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3047701/coronavirus-contagious-even-incubation-stage-chinas-health

China’s National Health Commission (NHC) said on Sunday that the new coronavirus is contagious even in its incubation period, which lasts up to 14 days, and that the virus’ ability to spread is getting stronger.

Ma Xiaowei, the minister in charge of the NHC, told a press briefing that the authorities’ understanding of the virus was “limited” and they were also unclear on the risks posed by possible mutations.

“The outbreak is expected to continue for some time,” he said.

Ma said that unlike Sars (severe acute respiratory syndrome) the new coronavirus was infectious during its incubation period.

He also reiterated earlier reports that people infected with the virus might not immediately show any symptoms.

This had added to the difficulties faced by the authorities to control its spread and prevent further infections, he said.

As well as locking down cities, the government was sending more doctors and nurses, and more medical supplies to Wuhan, Ma said.

More than 1,350 medics had already arrived in the city to help battle the epidemic and a further 1,000 would follow, he said.

As well as seeking to contain the outbreak in towns and cities, the government was also monitoring the situation in rural areas, he said.

Ma said that Beijing was aware there was a shortage of medical supplies and that the relevant authorities were seeking to source them in “every possible way”.

Wang Jiangping, vice-minister for industry and information technology, said at the press conference that China was pursuing various channels, both at home and overseas, to source the required supplies.”

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8 hours ago, StellaM said:

I am slightly concerned - I return to work this week and I'm around lots of kids from SE Asian backgrounds who are likely to have been in China or neighbouring countries over summer.  I'm still not concerned enough to worry about anything other than basic hygeine. 

Yes, basic hygiene. I administer a course that has fifty Mainland Chinese students on it. The new semester starts today. I'll be behaving as normal apart from 'double Happy Birthday' hand washing after the toilet and before eating.

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6 hours ago, Plum said:

 

Wow. My oldest has a cold and dh just started a new job and can't get sick right now so I dug a pack of N95 masks I had in my sanding supplies. The straps are really tight on him, so I was thinking about getting some of those cloth carbon masks I've seen a few teens wear around here and Amazon is basically sold out of everything. I went over to the Home Depot website and they have limited stock in all stores.  I guess I know what's going in my emergency kit once this blows over. 

I managed to get basic little loop masks yesterday without an issue, and they still show s in stock, but I live relatively ruralish with a very low Asian population. And with lots of people who think everything (not just this) is a hoax.  I figure dd can keep a couple in a ziplock in her backpack since she had two classmates wearing masks before this became a story. She’ll have them if she thinks she needs them to reduce any sort of ick. (She’s a registered EMT with additional training in avoiding pathogens in emergencies, so I trust her judgment!)

For my anxiety (me, my, mine), the best “treatment” is preparedness. Since emergency preparedness is already a big thing in our house, the least this will be is a good exercise/learning experience, lol!                  

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In Australia, Chinese Students make up 10% of Aust University Students.
The new school year starts in late February, when close to 500,000 Students will be coming back from China.
How Universites will cope with this, will be a real challenge?
 

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The mayor of Wuhan gave an interview yesterday. He announced that 5 million people (of 11 million) have left Wuhan. I would have thought that an authoritarian country would do a better job of quarantining a city. If anything, more people have probably fled Wuhan than if they had just kept the city open. I guess it's a valuable lesson learned, but it isn't going to help contain this virus. Now there are millions of people spreading out all over basically in hiding. 

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in re university students from China in Australia: 

I’d think a problem might be that young people might have the illness without severe symptoms themselves, yet be able to pass it to people who are more susceptible.  Or have more of an outbreak when away from home in dormitory and with academic pressures situation of university. 

We have a lot of students here from China, but we aren’t at a major break.  So mostly people will have been present since after our winter break (when I guess the virus was already a problem though not in news, but probably fewer cases). 

 

 

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So...I finally found out my goddaughter is back from China.  She was not in the ground zero area, but she came home not feeling well a week ago.  Her mom took her to the doctor right away, but she said they were not prepared to test for this virus.  She called around to other doctors, hospitals, and health departments and was told her symptoms were not enough to send blood to the CDC.  So...she stayed home for a week so her mom could monitor her and she missed her first week of college classes.  She is feeling better now and back at school this week.  The school is watching and supporting the group that went to China.  We now have a suspected case at GMU, which is not far from me.  Hopefully that turns out negative.  The other 2 cases in VA are negative for the virus.

 

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From JHU Facebook page

“The Johns Hopkins Center for Systems Science and Engineering has built an online dashboard for tracking the worldwide spread of the #coronavirus outbreak. The dashboard is regularly updated with data from the World Health Organization (WHO), CDC, and other sources to illustrate how the virus is spreading in China and beyond.

https://hub.jhu.edu/2020/01/23/coronavirus-outbreak-mapping-tool-649-em1-art1-dtd-health/  ”

dashboard link https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

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3 minutes ago, Arcadia said:

From JHU Facebook page

“The Johns Hopkins Center for Systems Science and Engineering has built an online dashboard for tracking the worldwide spread of the #coronavirus outbreak. The dashboard is regularly updated with data from the World Health Organization (WHO), CDC, and other sources to illustrate how the virus is spreading in China and beyond.

https://hub.jhu.edu/2020/01/23/coronavirus-outbreak-mapping-tool-649-em1-art1-dtd-health/  ”

dashboard link https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

 

That is so helpful!!  Thank you. 

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I feel like there’s so many mixed messages with this.  On the one hand there are reports that it can be contagious before symptoms show.  On the other hand they are only contact tracing here for the plane with someone who was symptomatic.  The other three patients who didn’t develop symptoms they aren’t doing any contact tracing or advice for other passengers on the plane.  This says to me that they don’t actually believe it’s contagious prior to symptoms.  Otherwise you effectively risk having one or two planes full of people carrying it unaware.

then there is the expert who said it should be easily contained but expects the death rate for infected people to end up closer to 10pc but it’s not as bad as SARS

There are reports that the original cases at least one or two had no contact with the market so it may have started before that time and been brought in there.

and there’s half the people saying China aren’t accurately reporting figures and others saying they are overreacting because they were embarrassed about SARS

health officials have requested those travelling from affected areas to keep the kids out of school for 14 days but haven’t made that compulsory just a voluntary thing.

I still don’t feel crazily concerned but I do feel like the messaging and measures are kind of mixed in a way. 
 

im also kind of sad by the odd patch of racism/xenophobia that it seems to be stirring up.  

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1 hour ago, StellaM said:

Kids returning to school after spending the holidays in China are being told to stay away for 2 weeks post their return. 

They are being “asked”.  It’s 100pc a voluntary thing still.

I think people will do the right thing though maybe that’s optimistic given how many parents try to dose their kids with Panadol and send them to school or daycare with fever etc.

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5 hours ago, Ausmumof3 said:

I feel like there’s so many mixed messages with this.  On the one hand there are reports that it can be contagious before symptoms show.  On the other hand they are only contact tracing here for the plane with someone who was symptomatic.  The other three patients who didn’t develop symptoms they aren’t doing any contact tracing or advice for other passengers on the plane.  This says to me that they don’t actually believe it’s contagious prior to symptoms.  Otherwise you effectively risk having one or two planes full of people carrying it unaware.

then there is the expert who said it should be easily contained but expects the death rate for infected people to end up closer to 10pc but it’s not as bad as SARS

There are reports that the original cases at least one or two had no contact with the market so it may have started before that time and been brought in there.

and there’s half the people saying China aren’t accurately reporting figures and others saying they are overreacting because they were embarrassed about SARS

health officials have requested those travelling from affected areas to keep the kids out of school for 14 days but haven’t made that compulsory just a voluntary thing.

I still don’t feel crazily concerned but I do feel like the messaging and measures are kind of mixed in a way. 
 

im also kind of sad by the odd patch of racism/xenophobia that it seems to be stirring up.  

I believe there are two different viruses and coronavirus is a cover-up. I'm not a conspiracy theorist by nature but it definitely explains the duality of it. We're sending everyone home except for one person who was picked up by an ambulance and is being treated in a biodome by a robot? It's just the flu but we're out of room to pile the bodies? It's not serious but let's build three new hospitals just in case? No. They're terrified and I don't believe it's what they're saying it is.

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11 minutes ago, Slache said:

I believe there are two different viruses and coronavirus is a cover-up. I'm not a conspiracy theorist by nature but it definitely explains the duality of it. We're sending everyone home except for one person who was picked up by an ambulance and is being treated in a biodome by a robot? It's just the flu but we're out of room to pile the bodies? It's not serious but let's build three new hospitals just in case? No. They're terrified and I don't believe it's what they're saying it is.

Even as reported If accurate it’s kind of concerning.  Death rate seems to be around 1:40 infections which is higher than typical flu.  Will come down to the spread rate and whether they find more effective treatment I guess.

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Yesterday I googled my way into some sources I would never consider reliable.  What I found were some “reports” of numbers that were not reported on what I do consider reliable sources until much, much later.  And those numbers happened to coordinate with what some “crazies” have been projecting for several days.  Knowing what their projected trajectory continues to look like... Well, I’ll say I haven’t gained any optimism and try to leave it at that.

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In China, one year ago, they knew about this Coronavirus? If that is true, that's another cover-up by the Chinese government and IMO very sad.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/dr-marc-siegel-exposes-chinas-reckless-and-really-scary-response-to-coronavirus

I wonder if the U.S. Government was able to send an aircraft to evacuate the approximately 36 employees of the Consulate in Wuhan and their families to the USA? 

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3 minutes ago, Lanny said:

In China, one year ago, they knew about this Coronavirus? If that is true, that's another cover-up by the Chinese government and IMO very sad.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/dr-marc-siegel-exposes-chinas-reckless-and-really-scary-response-to-coronavirus

I wonder if the U.S. Government was able to send an aircraft to evacuate the approximately 36 employees of the Consulate in Wuhan and their families to the USA? 

I have not seen anyone, anywhere else, make a full year claim, unless you count those who think this is an intentional thing.  2019, sure.  But we’re only in January of 2020.

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