Heather in Neverland Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 since I seem to be on a roll lately with my threads getting locked....:D Saw this article this morning: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/06/us/06ark.html?_r=2&src=ISMR_HP_LO_MST_FB Well, what says the hive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hen Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 I loved the first line of the story!:lol: I kind of grit my teeth over hokey Christian theme parks, I just kind of wish people wouldn't... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stacy in NJ Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 Not because of separation of church and state, but because of the state government, in essence, via tax breaks, paying for this monster, probably without any specific information as to whether it will even be profitable. If a private individual or investment group wanted to build this - more power to 'em. I see a financial disaster in the making. since I seem to be on a roll lately with my threads getting locked....:D Saw this article this morning: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/06/us/06ark.html?_r=2&src=ISMR_HP_LO_MST_FB Well, what says the hive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyWImom Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 I don't know all of the details, but having been briefly involved in city government, here is my take. The state is giving them tax breaks-incentives to basically bring their business there. They aren't funding the operation. Obviously, by offering the tax incentives, it gives the group a reason to come to their state, not some where else. They are hoping that it will not only create jobs, but bring in the tourists. They are basing the fact that it will by what the Creation Museum has done for the state. If you want businesses to come to your city, or state, you need to offer them a reason to. That's how it's done. Whether is is religion-based or not has nothing to do with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6packofun Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 The God I know would rather go to Cedar Point. ugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creekland Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 It sounds kind of fun. I'm not sure they'll see the numbers they are expecting, but I'm not an expert in that area at all. I wouldn't invest in it personally. With regards to gov't tax breaks. if they have the precedent they seem to have in the article, I guess there's nothing wrong with it - assuming they aren't truly "financing" it by providing up front money (which it doesn't seem like they are). It's no different really than those who want to open a water park near here (not something for everyone, but could provide some jobs, etc). People are complaining about that too and have driven it away - not about religion of any sort but just a NIMB mentality (Not In My Backyard). I'd let them go ahead. If we were in the area I might even stop at it if the weather were right. I wouldn't make a special trip to it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
specialmama Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 I think it's great! I'd love to visit there with my kids! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mom2denj Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 I would definitely go!!!! It looks great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivka Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 I hope they rethink the part about keeping large animals in pens on the ark. Even if you believe that the story of Noah is literally true, that doesn't mean that ark conditions are an acceptable way to keep wild animals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXMary2 Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 I don't know all of the details, but having been briefly involved in city government, here is my take. The state is giving them tax breaks-incentives to basically bring their business there. They aren't funding the operation. Obviously, by offering the tax incentives, it gives the group a reason to come to their state, not some where else. They are hoping that it will not only create jobs, but bring in the tourists. They are basing the fact that it will by what the Creation Museum has done for the state. If you want businesses to come to your city, or state, you need to offer them a reason to. That's how it's done. Whether is is religion-based or not has nothing to do with it. :iagree: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i.love.lucy Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 I think it's great! I'd love to visit there with my kids! I would definitely go!!!! It looks great! :iagree: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meriwether Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 :iagree: I think it's great! I'd love to visit there with my kids! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrothead Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 Kind of hokey, but if it takes off, more power to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardening momma Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 I think it's great! I'd love to visit there with my kids! :iagree: and probably will, since we live about an hour north of there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peela Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 Whatever floats your boat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diane in CO Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 The God I know would rather go to Cedar Point. :lol: That made me LOL :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meriwether Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 Whatever floats your boat.:lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KidsHappen Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 I hope they rethink the part about keeping large animals in pens on the ark. Even if you believe that the story of Noah is literally true, that doesn't mean that ark conditions are an acceptable way to keep wild animals. :iagree: Obviously they aren't going to try for two of every species on earth but even if they only go for the flashy ones, that seems like way too many animals in too confined a space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 I think it is highly unlikely they will be allowed to keep large animals in ark-like conditions. Everything else I think about the subject would get me banned. ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freethinkermama Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 While only tangentially related, every time I see talk about this park, I think of PZ Myers's short, and blessedly profanity-free, response--having mostly to do with education, the state of the US economy and who the tourists of this ark will be in 15 years (Chinese tourists). http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/12/while_were_busy_playing_in_the.php T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cin Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 :iagree: and probably will, since we live about an hour north of there. :iagree: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remudamom Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 When there's a theme park that shows the plagues of Egypt I'll be there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spy Car Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 I think they ought to have life-size simulations of 6 pairs of all the bird species that ever existed on earth, plus six pairs of every "clean" species of animals that every existed on earth, and one pair each of all the unclean animals that ever existed on earth, and all their food, and show how they all fit. There should also be some Giants scattered about the park, because there were (according to the story) Giants on the earth in those days. And there should probably be a memorial to all the people proportedly killed in the greatest genocide in human history. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amey311 Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 http://friendlyatheist.com/2010/11/22/a-creation-museum-theme-park/ - Some of you might enjoy the attraction suggestions in the comments. :tongue_smilie: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marylou Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,269090,00.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophia Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 We have been to the Creation Museum twice and loved it and I'm sure we'll make it to the Ark once it's completed. I admire Ken Ham a great deal, and if he's involved in this project, I'm sure it will be well done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 Whatever floats your boat. Sorry to highjack but it that someone jumping off of a cliff? :tongue_smilie: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsabelC Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 (edited) I'm not sure it's really a church/state issue. Most people who want to go would already be Bible literalists anyway, and non Bible literalists aren't suddenly going to believe new things because they went there. I mean, nobody goes to Disneyland and comes home believing in the literal existence of a host of cartoon characters, do they! And surely there are laws in place to ensure that any live animals they might use are looked after decently? Edited December 7, 2010 by Hotdrink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heather in Neverland Posted December 7, 2010 Author Share Posted December 7, 2010 I'm not sure it's really a church/state issue. Most people who want to go would already be Bible literalists anyway, and normal people aren't suddenly going to believe new things because they went there. I mean, nobody goes to Disneyland and comes home believing in the literal existence of a host of cartoon characters, do they! And surely there are laws in place to ensure that any live animals they might use are looked after decently? interesting that you have people divided into "bible literalists" or "normal people".... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spy Car Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 interesting that you have people divided into "bible literalists" or "normal people".... That's the usual designation :D What? :tongue_smilie: Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milovany Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 I think they ought to have life-size simulations of 6 pairs of all the bird species that ever existed on earth, plus six pairs of every "clean" species of animals that every existed on earth, and one pair each of all the unclean animals that ever existed on earth, and all their food, and show how they all fit. There should also be some Giants scattered about the park, because there were (according to the story) Giants on the earth in those days. And there should probably be a memorial to all the people proportedly killed in the greatest genocide in human history. Bill So, Bill, why don't you tell us how you really feel about this topic? :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spy Car Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 So, Bill, why don't you tell us how you really feel about this topic? :lol: I think it's a great idea! :D Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsabelC Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 interesting that you have people divided into "bible literalists" or "normal people".... My bad. I'll edit it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spy Car Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 The guy building the Noah theme park could have been named Shem or Japheth...but no, he's named Ham :lol: Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsabelC Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 The guy building the Noah theme park could have been named Shem or Japheth...but no, he's named Ham :lol: Bill Isn't he the one that says "Psst you guys, come and look at Dad naked!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newlifemom Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 Now Bill. Tsk, tsk, tsk. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skadi Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 Isn't he the one that says "Psst you guys, come and look at Dad naked!" I think most biblical scholars would say that he did more than look on his father's nakedness. Bow-chicka-wow-wow. Or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsabelC Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 So I have read. But I'm trying to be (comparatively) sensitive here. And I'm sure they won't go into (!) that in a family theme park. And I have to admit, the ark looks pretty darn impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 Yeah, um...it looks extremely hokey. I don't think the religious theme which, to the mainstream, is highly fictional, should bar it from the same business tax breaks that would be extended to any large venture that would bring jobs to the state. I say, go for it...and when/if we visit Kentucky, well, we won't go there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizzyBee Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 Oh wow, the animal trainer lives down the road from my neighborhood and used to go to my church. He used to train animals such as chimps for movies, but stopped doing that because he wasn't happy with how the animals were treated. Here's a link to his website for anyone who's interested. http://www.wildanimalencounters.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetbeebie Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 To me it takes something holy and turns into something it shouldn't. Think Mickey Mouse....Bible based rides....it almost feels like making a mockery of the Bible. I think I'm very open/progressive minded when it comes to religion...but this to me feels wrong on all levels:/ It's the amusement based park theme that bothers me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Peach Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 Whatever floats your boat. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibbygirl Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 I think it's great! I'd love to visit there with my kids! Me too! I'd like to see the Holy Land Experience in Orlando some day too. People put on dramas and plays for kids in church all the time to dramatize the Bible stories and make them come alive for children, I can just imagine what it must be like at a place like that that has that kind of funding and resources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandra Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 I think they ought to have life-size simulations of 6 pairs of all the bird species that ever existed on earth, plus six pairs of every "clean" species of animals that every existed on earth, and one pair each of all the unclean animals that ever existed on earth, and all their food, and show how they all fit. There should also be some Giants scattered about the park, because there were (according to the story) Giants on the earth in those days. And there should probably be a memorial to all the people proportedly killed in the greatest genocide in human history. Bill They shouldn't forget the dinosaurs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unsinkable Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 The guy building the Noah theme park could have been named Shem or Japheth...but no, he's named Ham :lol: Bill Nice catch, Bill! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Girls' Mom Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 :ack2: For some reason the verse about Jesus' rant in the temple about it being turned into a den of theives popped into my head. There's just something not right about making money off God in such a way. Unless (which I highly doubt) 100% of the profit goes toward taking care of the orphans and widows of the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephanier.1765 Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 I'd like to see the Holy Land Experience in Orlando some day too. They do very well visitor wise. Not my cup of tea but a Noah's ark park might do just as well. http://www.holylandexperience.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mejane Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 Squicky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simka2 Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 The guy building the Noah theme park could have been named Shem or Japheth...but no, he's named Ham :lol: Bill :lol: HEE HEE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.