Josh Duggar Again

[LucyStoner]

3 hours ago, Katy said:

Jinger & US Weekly both confirmed Counting On has been canceled. 

I wonder if it will be cancelled like 19 and Counting was, which was basically just thinly revamped as Counting On after a heavy on the spin interview that was a clear bid to rehabilitate the Duggar brand

[Annie G]

10 minutes ago, LucyStoner said:

I wonder if it will be cancelled like 19 and Counting was, which was basically just thinly revamped as Counting On after a heavy on the spin interview that was a clear bid to rehabilitate the Duggar brand

I’m leaning more towards it actually being cancelled and TLC not doing anything Duggar related moving forward. The brand has been losing viewers and CO wasn’t even really trying. The episodes were airing so long after being filmed - as if they had just given up trying. 
But I could very well be wrong. Who knows with TLC. 

[melmichigan]

I'm not sure if it was missed but TLC did cancel Counting On.

Josh's trial was also postponed.

 

Edited July 1, 2021 by melmichigan

[catz]

1 minute ago, melmichigan said:

I'm not sure if it was missed but TLC did cancel Counting On.

 

 

That is great news.  Enough of that family cashing in on exploiting children.  

[melmichigan]

1 minute ago, FuzzyCatz said:

That is great news.  Enough of that family cashing in on exploiting children.  

One can only hope that will truly be the end of it.  

[DawnM]

I am just glad he is finally in real jail and not "ATI rehab"  That clearly didn't work.   

[Katy]

2 minutes ago, DawnM said:

I am just glad he is finally in real jail and not "ATI rehab"  That clearly didn't work.   

Right now he is in ATI rehab.  Out on bond at a family friend’s home.

[Ottakee]

3 minutes ago, DawnM said:

I am just glad he is finally in real jail and not "ATI rehab"  That clearly didn't work.   

He is?   I missed that update.

[DawnM]

Just now, Ottakee said:

He is?   I missed that update.

Never mind, I didn't know he was released pending trial.   Shoot.

[DawnM]

2 minutes ago, Katy said:

Right now he is in ATI rehab.  Out on bond at a family friend’s home.

UGH, I didn't realize that.   well, don't mind me......

[Ottakee]

10 minutes ago, DawnM said:

UGH, I didn't realize that.   well, don't mind me......

Not a great idea.....but then again they wanted me to take my now ex husband back and release him to my custody and I said NO.

[HomeAgain]

18 minutes ago, Katy said:

Right now he is in ATI rehab.  Out on bond at a family friend’s home.

Not just a friend.  Their daughter is apparently in a courtship with Anna's brother David.

[Katy]

35 minutes ago, HomeAgain said:

Not just a friend.  Their daughter is apparently in a courtship with Anna's brother David.

I didn’t go look up the sermon, but someone I know posted about this on Instagram and then Katie from Without a Crystal Ball did too…  apparently Anna’s dad mentioned it in his sermon on Sunday, which was broadcast on the internet. He said they met when David accompanied him to go to Arkansas to “help a hurting family member.”  And one of Josh & Anna’s sons was part of the children’s message, so he’s apparently staying with his grandparents in Florida.  And other older kids have been farmed out to Priscilla, according to pictures of their church’s VBS last week. 

Anyway if they met afterwards it isn’t a conflict of interest. 

[Clarita]

On 6/29/2021 at 7:58 PM, LucyStoner said:

I wonder if it will be cancelled like 19 and Counting was, which was basically just thinly revamped as Counting On after a heavy on the spin interview that was a clear bid to rehabilitate the Duggar brand

Is anyone still watching their show after all this?! How is their brand even salvageable? The way the family (or JB) has treated this whole ordeal is just ugh.

[LucyStoner]

18 minutes ago, Clarita said:

Is anyone still watching their show after all this?! How is their brand even salvageable? The way the family (or JB) has treated this whole ordeal is just ugh.

I’ve never watched it but presume that there has been an audience for Counting On all these years because TLC keeps renewing it.  I wonder how much of the audience after the first show was cancelled were Duggar fans and how many people were rubbernecking/hate watching it.  My brother used to do that with Jon and Kate + 8…he made a hobby of watching that show and going WTF Kate, WTF Jon.  I suspect a lot more of their audience is like that than when the first show started.  

[Katy]

38 minutes ago, Clarita said:

Is anyone still watching their show after all this?! How is their brand even salvageable? The way the family (or JB) has treated this whole ordeal is just ugh.

I think the rebrand, where Jim Bob is still given all the money and the girls that the audience cared about isn't salvageable, at least not on TLC.

I think the older girls individually could have their own show (with their own contracts and not handled by Duggar Productions).  I don't know that any of them are that interested.

I think Jim Bob could have a different show on something like We.tv, where the standards are lower.

[Annie G]

1 hour ago, Katy said:

I didn’t go look up the sermon, but someone I know posted about this on Instagram and then Katie from Without a Crystal Ball did too…  apparently Anna’s dad mentioned it in his sermon on Sunday, which was broadcast on the internet. He said they met when David accompanied him to go to Arkansas to “help a hurting family member.”  And one of Josh & Anna’s sons was part of the children’s message, so he’s apparently staying with his grandparents in Florida.  And other older kids have been farmed out to Priscilla, according to pictures of their church’s VBS last week. 

Anyway if they met afterwards it isn’t a conflict of interest. 

I’m not even sure it would be a conflict of interest even if they had already been courting.  But what a weird way to start a courtship! Meeting while her family is hosting his sister’s sick husband. 
 

I hadn’t heard that the older M kids had been farmed out- that’s actually good to hear. I’m sure they miss their parents but at least they’re not being dragged to see dear old dad every day. And staying w Pris and David at least gives them cousins to play with. 

[KungFuPanda]

On 6/29/2021 at 10:58 PM, LucyStoner said:

I wonder if it will be cancelled like 19 and Counting was, which was basically just thinly revamped as Counting On after a heavy on the spin interview that was a clear bid to rehabilitate the Duggar brand

I think the first Dugger kid willing to switch their show style to a tell-all about ATI abuse will win the reality TV lottery.  It's a matter of who blinks first.  My money is on Jill and Derick since they're already comfortable being on the outs.

Or hear me out . . . a movie.  Probably a straight-to-tv Lifetime or Hallmark type movie, but still.

Edited July 2, 2021 by KungFuPanda

[Mrs Tiggywinkle]

Derick has indicated that he is writing a book, per his IG comments. His hatred of Jim Bob is palpable and I don’t know if it will be an actual tell all book vs 200 pages of JB bashing.

Amy, the cousin Duggar, has been posting on social media asking if anyone can help her get out of her NDA.

[HS Mom in NC]

9 hours ago, KungFuPanda said:

I think the first Dugger kid willing to switch their show style to a tell-all about ATI abuse will win the reality TV lottery.  It's a matter of who blinks first.  My money is on Jill and Derick since they're already comfortable being on the outs.

Or hear me out . . . a movie.  Probably a straight-to-tv Lifetime or Hallmark type movie, but still.

Yep, a tell-all is the next cash cow.  Either that or they could opt to go documentary if they don't care about the money and just want the truth to come out.  There's probably also a potential lawsuit (individual or class action) against ATI. I wonder if JB and ATI have figured that out yet.

[Danae]

I think it would be healthier for them not to do tell-all books or documentaries or reality shows, or monetized Instagram, or anything else. Stop selling your lives, and definitely protect the next generation of children from it.  

[HomeAgain]

3 minutes ago, Danae said:

I think it would be healthier for them not to do tell-all books or documentaries or reality shows, or monetized Instagram, or anything else. Stop selling your lives, and definitely protect the next generation of children from it.  

I don't know.

I think it might be healthy to do a tell-all, to rip off the band aid and process the trauma they've lived through without anyone assuming that it was all a rosy and happy Brady Bunch. No being able to cover it up, no more putting their parents in a position of authority at camps. no more supporting ATI or their childhood even silently.

I think the kids need something like Homeschoolers Anonymous, being able to say out loud that it was not okay.

I also don't think it's healthy to continue to sell privacy, so I'm torn.  But that period of their lives has already been sold, and they can correct the perception people have.

[Catwoman]

27 minutes ago, Danae said:

I think it would be healthier for them not to do tell-all books or documentaries or reality shows, or monetized Instagram, or anything else. Stop selling your lives, and definitely protect the next generation of children from it.  

I agree in principle, but these people don’t seem to have any qualifications other than “reality TV star” on their resumes, and JimBob doesn’t seem like the type to share the wealth, so they may feel like they have no other path to financial success right now, and even if they hate the idea of doing a tell-all book or TV show and want to get out of the limelight, they may feel the need to do something for some immediate cash so they have something to live on while they prepare for new careers.

[Stacia]

 

https://twitter.com/lawcrimenews/status/1428495551662804996?s=20

 

[Excelsior! Academy]

What does this mean, exactly?  Are they allowing J@sh to question how the police investigation was done?  As in he may not be held accountable on a technicality?

 

 

 

I just read the link.  🤢

Edited August 19, 2021 by Excelsior! Academy

[lauraw4321]

I listened to a podcast, Hunting Warhead, that discusses child abuse materials on the farm web. One statistic hit me in the gut. 87% of men arrested for possessing CSAM have abused a child. 

[Annie G]

I’ve been trying to figure out what Josh’s attorneys are getting at. The other two officers didn’t notify the feds, so they really aren’t part of the case at all.  Their filing mentioned they were entitled under Brady but I can’t quite see that making sense, though I’d rather the judge give them access to useless info than for it to later be grounds for appeal. 
I swear if he is guilty but isn’t convicted…

[ktgrok]

On 7/1/2021 at 5:30 PM, FuzzyCatz said:

That is great news.  Enough of that family cashing in on exploiting children.  

Several of the adult daughters have youtube channels, which are likely monetized. And do instagram influencer stuff. 

[catz]

9 minutes ago, ktgrok said:

Several of the adult daughters have youtube channels, which are likely monetized. And do instagram influencer stuff. 

Oh well I was thinking of Jim Bob primarily when I said that.  Though if they are regularly highlighting their kids they aren't much better even if they don't have a literal known sex offender living in their home.   I still do see a whole lot less of sensationizing their whole lifestyle that I did back in their hay day.w

I don't get influencer culture at all.  Blech - let's flow a bunch of money at people for opening boxes and trying on over priced stuff and expressing uneducated opinions.  🙄🤪

[Katy]

14 minutes ago, Annie G said:

I’ve been trying to figure out what Josh’s attorneys are getting at. The other two officers didn’t notify the feds, so they really aren’t part of the case at all.  Their filing mentioned they were entitled under Brady but I can’t quite see that making sense, though I’d rather the judge give them access to useless info than for it to later be grounds for appeal. 
I swear if he is guilty but isn’t convicted…

I’m under the impression they’re arguing for something that wasn’t part of evidence. 

He will be convicted.  They’ll add more charges when he doesn’t accept a plea. There was enough evidence at the arraignment to convince a jury, and federal juries are handpicked to choose the ones that will find him guilty.

The real question is if Anna will leave him or not. And if she’s letting him use her phone to access the internet while she’s living with him and letting his family raise her children. At least that’s the gossip these days. 

[Annie G]

6 minutes ago, Katy said:

I’m under the impression they’re arguing for something that wasn’t part of evidence. 

He will be convicted.  They’ll add more charges when he doesn’t accept a plea. There was enough evidence at the arraignment to convince a jury, and federal juries are handpicked to choose the ones that will find him guilty.

The real question is if Anna will leave him or not. And if she’s letting him use her phone to access the internet while she’s living with him and letting his family raise her children. At least that’s the gossip these days. 

Right- they want details of something that wasn’t part of the case against him. why? what’s their end game? Are they going to say the other two cops planted the CSA on Josh’s computer?

I doubt Anna will leave him. And staying under the Duggar umbrella while he’s incarcerated is probably her most appealing option. She won’t have to find a job to support herself and kids, and she’ll have help raising the kids.  

[Katy]

20 minutes ago, Annie G said:

Right- they want details of something that wasn’t part of the case against him. why? what’s their end game? Are they going to say the other two cops planted the CSA on Josh’s computer?

I doubt Anna will leave him. And staying under the Duggar umbrella while he’s incarcerated is probably her most appealing option. She won’t have to find a job to support herself and kids, and she’ll have help raising the kids.  

They may claim that, but it's difficult to substantiate when they have evidence of exactly when the content was being viewed and when Josh switched to the other side of the partition to work, then switched back.  Over and over, while his iPhone was taking pictures of his desk.

He's a narcissist who is doing his best to save face, and his attorney claims to have gotten local prosecutors to drop charges.  The feds have so much on him it will be astonishing if he doesn't get convicted.

His initial claim was that someone else put it on his computer.

[AbcdeDooDah]

Now, according to documents posted on Reddit, he wants pics of his hands and feet suppressed.

[Laura Corin]

5 minutes ago, AbcdeDooDah said:

Now, according to documents posted on Reddit, he wants pics of his hands and feet suppressed.

I read an interview with an investigator who is a specialist in identifying the hands of abusers in videos...

[TravelingChris]

16 minutes ago, AbcdeDooDah said:

Now, according to documents posted on Reddit, he wants pics of his hands and feet suppressed.

 

11 minutes ago, Laura Corin said:

I read an interview with an investigator who is a specialist in identifying the hands of abusers in videos...

Then I don't think he will win this motion.

[Katy]

26 minutes ago, Laura Corin said:

I read an interview with an investigator who is a specialist in identifying the hands of abusers in videos...

That’s both interesting and disturbing 

[HeartString]

38 minutes ago, Laura Corin said:

I read an interview with an investigator who is a specialist in identifying the hands of abusers in videos...

Then isn’t Duggar basically admitting he’s afraid of being identified?  Cause now I’m thinking that he didn’t just “watch” these videos, he made some, a thought I didn’t necessarily have previously.  

[Mrs Tiggywinkle]

23 minutes ago, HeartString said:

Then isn’t Duggar basically admitting he’s afraid of being identified?  Cause now I’m thinking that he didn’t just “watch” these videos, he made some, a thought I didn’t necessarily have previously.  

I kind of assume that his lawyers will just try to supress whatever they can, regardless of it’s relevance to the case.  If investigators are trying to link Josh to the making of these kind of videos, it won’t matter what comes up in this particular court case because those will be additional charges. 

[Carrie12345]

49 minutes ago, Katy said:

That’s both interesting and disturbing 

Uh, yeah. If anyone can think of a second reason why pictures of his feet would exists in this case, please give me that tiny bit of hope to pretend is possible.

 

[AbcdeDooDah]

42 minutes ago, HeartString said:

Then isn’t Duggar basically admitting he’s afraid of being identified?  Cause now I’m thinking that he didn’t just “watch” these videos, he made some, a thought I didn’t necessarily have previously.  

What I saw was to the effect of some of the material required a "submission" of the user to gain access and  prove they are not law enforcement.

Edited August 21, 2021 by AbcdeDooDah

[Annie G]

If the case is thrown out because of the HSI head who wasn’t properly appointed, I’m going to be SO SO mad. I would have said it’ll never happen but evidently a judge has already tossed cases based on that. Ugh.  And if they are able to suppress his phone info and statements he made after mentioning he wanted to call his lawyer….just UGH. This case can’t go to trial fast enough for me. 

[Katy]

1 minute ago, Annie G said:

If the case is thrown out because of the HSI head who wasn’t properly appointed, I’m going to be SO SO mad. I would have said it’ll never happen but evidently a judge has already tossed cases based on that. Ugh.  And if they are able to suppress his phone info and statements he made after mentioning he wanted to call his lawyer….just UGH. This case can’t go to trial fast enough for me. 

From what I remember from the coverage of the hearing… He wasn’t under arrest or even officially being interviewed.  He asked for his phone to call his lawyer, was told no so as not to destroy evidence, and had several brothers working there that day whose phones he could have used. Chances of them throwing it out when he volunteered the information is slim to none.  

IDK about the HSI thing though. It will be interesting if one of the lawyers on YouTube does a commentary on everything they filed in the past few days.

[Faith-manor]

5 minutes ago, Annie G said:

If the case is thrown out because of the HSI head who wasn’t properly appointed, I’m going to be SO SO mad. I would have said it’ll never happen but evidently a judge has already tossed cases based on that. Ugh.  And if they are able to suppress his phone info and statements he made after mentioning he wanted to call his lawyer….just UGH. This case can’t go to trial fast enough for me. 

My hope is that even if the federal charges are thrown out because of this, the state will bring charges. The police officer that JB took Joshie to when he molested his sisters, was convicted himself on CSA and given 58 years for what appears to be less than what they have on Josh. So hopefully they will step up to the plate, lock him up, and throw away the key. 50 years would put Josh in his 80's if he didn't make parole, and given the level of absolute horror of the one video, I think a judge would consider sentencing him without the possibility of getting out. I hope. Fingers crossed.

[gardenmom5]

 

On 8/19/2021 at 5:27 PM, Annie G said:

Right- they want details of something that wasn’t part of the case against him. why? what’s their end game? Are they going to say the other two cops planted the CSA on Josh’s computer?

I doubt Anna will leave him. And staying under the Duggar umbrella while he’s incarcerated is probably her most appealing option. She won’t have to find a job to support herself and kids, and she’ll have help raising the kids.  

Anna's brother has previously offered to help her if she leaves.  I'm sure he'd help her now if she'd leave.   But, I doubt she will because this is all she knows.  She's an abuse victim who is afraid to face reality.      She won't have 'help' from duggars raising the kids, JB and Michelle will do the raising.

[Annie G]

32 minutes ago, gardenmom5 said:

 

Anna's brother has previously offered to help her if she leaves.  I'm sure he'd help her now if she'd leave.   But, I doubt she will because this is all she knows.  She's an abuse victim who is afraid to face reality.      She won't have 'help' from duggars raising the kids, JB and Michelle will do the raising.

Her brother is no longer part of the ATI/Gothard movement though is he? She won’t walk away from her beliefs in order to get help from him.  I don’t for a minute believe JB and Michelle will do any actual child raising- they might pawn off their youngest girls to be helpers to Anna, though, and will certainly enforce rules Anna will have to live by. That’s disgusting considering  their mishandling of their son’s antics in his teen years led to this. I 100% think Josh is responsible for his actions but his parents KNEW he had a problem and never made any real effort to get him (or his victims) help. So yeah, I’m ticked at them, too. 
And I’ll voice an unpopular opinion- I’m disappointed in Anna, too. Yes, she is absolutely a victim. But she’s also the mother of many children- and her husband is charged with downloading CSA.  If she’s ‘standing by her man’ it makes me nauseous. But it’s all she knows-I suspect even her parents think she should stay with him. 

[AbcdeDooDah]

Do we know if JB and Michelle are funding the attorneys? If so, I wonder how the adult children feel about revenue from the show withheld from them while their parents use that money to try and free their POS brother?

[Katy]

9 minutes ago, AbcdeDooDah said:

Do we know if JB and Michelle are funding the attorneys? If so, I wonder how the adult children feel about revenue from the show withheld from them while their parents use that money to try and free their POS brother?

Rumors on Reddit, Facebook, and Without a Crystal ball say Jim Bob is allegedly paying, but we don’t know that.  I’m sure the girls are angry.

[Ottakee]

46 minutes ago, Annie G said:

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And I’ll voice an unpopular opinion- I’m disappointed in Anna, too. Yes, she is absolutely a victim. But she’s also the mother of many children- and her husband is charged with downloading CSA.  If she’s ‘standing by her man’ it makes me nauseous. But it’s all she knows-I suspect even her parents think she should stay with him. 

I can't say about her, but I did have some Christians ask me if I shouldn't "stand by my man" when my now ex-husband was arrested for similar charges.  There is a big push in some circles to stay married and stay supportive no matter what.....and I am not a part of any church that is anything near like the Gothards/cultist, etc 

[gardenmom5]

3 hours ago, Annie G said:

Her brother is no longer part of the ATI/Gothard movement though is he? She won’t walk away from her beliefs in order to get help from him.  I don’t for a minute believe JB and Michelle will do any actual child raising- they might pawn off their youngest girls to be helpers to Anna, though, and will certainly enforce rules Anna will have to live by. That’s disgusting considering  their mishandling of their son’s antics in his teen years led to this. I 100% think Josh is responsible for his actions but his parents KNEW he had a problem and never made any real effort to get him (or his victims) help. So yeah, I’m ticked at them, too. 
And I’ll voice an unpopular opinion- I’m disappointed in Anna, too. Yes, she is absolutely a victim. But she’s also the mother of many children- and her husband is charged with downloading CSA.  If she’s ‘standing by her man’ it makes me nauseous. But it’s all she knows-I suspect even her parents think she should stay with him. 

Pretty sure he's not in ATI anymore.   

I agree, there is a point where an abuse victim needs to take some responsibility, and and stop going along to get along.  People have offered to help her, she's choosing to stay.

I hardly ever watched the original show - part of a few episodes out of curiosity - but I remember some of the extremely scant footage I saw early in the show that just . . . . gag me with a spork.   JB and his overtly s3xual behavior not just in front of his young children - but in FRONT OF THE CAMERAS!!!!!  Makes you wonder what he was doing when the cameras weren't rolling . . . . .   He is definitely part of why Josh turned out this way.

3 hours ago, AbcdeDooDah said:

Do we know if JB and Michelle are funding the attorneys? If so, I wonder how the adult children feel about revenue from the show withheld from them while their parents use that money to try and free their POS brother?

probably.

2 hours ago, Ottakee said:

I can't say about her, but I did have some Christians ask me if I shouldn't "stand by my man" when my now ex-husband was arrested for similar charges.  There is a big push in some circles to stay married and stay supportive no matter what.....and I am not a part of any church that is anything near like the Gothards/cultist, etc 

What ticks me off the most, is these people are so vocal, non-christians think this is representative.   It's not.

I've tried to not judge other's of the denomination my grandmother claimed as typical of her (She unashamedly used religion as a weapon to control others.)

My sister sent me something recently about someone who was leaving a "patriarchy" religion. (she thinks it's typical of ChristiansJ) . . . um, dear - if he thinks that's patriarchal, . . . he doesn't know what patriarchal IS.  I've been on the board long enough to have heard the stories.    . . . . very sad.

 

[TravelingChris]

8 hours ago, gardenmom5 said:

Pretty sure he's not in ATI anymore.   

I agree, there is a point where an abuse victim needs to take some responsibility, and and stop going along to get along.  People have offered to help her, she's choosing to stay.

I hardly ever watched the original show - part of a few episodes out of curiosity - but I remember some of the extremely scant footage I saw early in the show that just . . . . gag me with a spork.   JB and his overtly s3xual behavior not just in front of his young children - but in FRONT OF THE CAMERAS!!!!!  Makes you wonder what he was doing when the cameras weren't rolling . . . . .   He is definitely part of why Josh turned out this way.

probably.

What ticks me off the most, is these people are so vocal, non-christians think this is representative.   It's not.

I've tried to not judge other's of the denomination my grandmother claimed as typical of her (She unashamedly used religion as a weapon to control others.)

My sister sent me something recently about someone who was leaving a "patriarchy" religion. (she thinks it's typical of ChristiansJ) . . . um, dear - if he thinks that's patriarchal, . . . he doesn't know what patriarchal IS.  I've been on the board long enough to have heard the stories.    . . . . very sad.

 

I was never a person who said, stay with your abusers but was confused on where my line was as to whether divorce was acceptable.  Many years ago, I read a piece- I think in Christianity Today- that said that the three A's are all ways God tells you that it is not a marriage or you can leave= Abuse, Adultery and Abandonment.  And those three words really helped sum up to me what I had already believed but didn't have the right expression.

So yes, at this point, the abuse perpetuated by Josh means that Anna should get away from him and certainly not be under his lordship (which is not an idea I believe but she seems to believe).  The onus is on her.