Josh Duggar Again

[Faith-manor]

15 minutes ago, Katy said:

Wait, what? Link?

Jill and Derrick have a book, "Counting the Cost" being released in September.

[extendedforecast]

1 hour ago, Faith-manor said:

Jill and Derrick have a book, "Counting the Cost" being released in September.

Also Jill participated in the documentary, Shiny Happy People (?), which I believe discusses Gothard, ATI, IBLP, etc. 

[Katy]

3 hours ago, Faith-manor said:

Jill and Derrick have a book, "Counting the Cost" being released in September.

Thanks. Yes I posted about that the day it was announced. I thought they were participating in a movie.

[Kanin]

11 hours ago, extendedforecast said:

Also Jill participated in the documentary, Shiny Happy People (?), which I believe discusses Gothard, ATI, IBLP, etc. 

She didn't seem as critical of her upbringing as some of the other people interviewed in the documentary. I thought her part in the doc was smaller than I would have expected.

[Katy]

57 minutes ago, Kanin said:

She didn't seem as critical of her upbringing as some of the other people interviewed in the documentary. I thought her part in the doc was smaller than I would have expected.

Idk how much she’s really processed, even with therapy. It’s remarkable to me that both of the two that escaped the IBLP married men with college degrees and that both men cared enough about education to pursue graduate degrees. Even if I don’t agree with their ideology and even if Jinger simply switched from one cult to the other, education is what made the difference. And while their new churches are more liberal than the fundamentalist thing they grew up in, but they’re still very conservative Christians compared to most Americans. Their faith is still the most important aspect of their worldviews. So it absolutely makes sense to me that they (or their husbands) would call out what they identify as sinful behavior while still trying to assume the best of their parents. 

[Faith-manor]

3 hours ago, Kanin said:

She didn't seem as critical of her upbringing as some of the other people interviewed in the documentary. I thought her part in the doc was smaller than I would have expected.

It was smaller because it wasn't a Duggar documentary. It was an IBLP expose' so the Duggar issue was only a little part of it. They were really going after the organization, and as bad her treatment was in an IBLP family, there were many thousands who have suffered a whole lot worse, sorry to say. Her part in it was exactly what I expected since when it was advertised, it was not as a take down of Jim bob Duggar but of Bill Gothard and company.

[Mrs Tiggywinkle Again]

4 minutes ago, Faith-manor said:

It was smaller because it wasn't a Duggar documentary. It was an IBLP expose' so the Duggar issue was only a little part of it. They were really going after the organization, and as bad her treatment was in an IBLP family, there were many thousands who have suffered a whole lot worse, sorry to say. Her part in it was exactly what I expected since when it was advertised, it was not as a take down of Jim bob Duggar but of Bill Gothard and company.

Derick, however, has seemed perfectly happy to skewer JB on social media. He may be more restrained now that he’s a practicing lawyer, but it wouldn’t surprise me if he really goes after his father in law in this book. 

[KungFuPanda]

Weird IBLP side question.  If Jim Bob suddenly passed away, who would be running that family?  I'd like to think they have the resources to quietly live their headship-free lives over there, but I'm not sure how much control their church actually has over them.  They seemed to be their own scion that was IBLP inspired but was really Church of Jim Bob.

Edited July 13, 2023 by KungFuPanda

[Faith-manor]

1 minute ago, Mrs Tiggywinkle Again said:

Derick, however, has seemed perfectly happy to skewer JB on social media. He may be more restrained now that he’s a practicing lawyer, but it wouldn’t surprise me if he really goes after his father in law in this book. 

Well yes. He has had it out for his father in law for a while. But, them not getting into it too deeply on the docuseries make sense. They filmed her for about eight hours and then cut that down to the small bits they aired. I can totally understand it. They needed to know something of her experiences with the teachings and how that affected her, but they weren't going after JimBob.

On the reddit board, one of the producers did an AMA. It was very enlightening about the process of how they went about pulling the dock series together.

The one thing to remember is to not be too disappointed if she doesn't throw her parents under the bus hard in the book. She was the second sistermom, and has a bevy of children from JoyAnna on down whom she is not very likely to be allowed contact with, if Jim bob dictates. It isn't just the minors still at home. At 18, all of the adults have to sign a contract with JB to continue to be a part of the LLC and that contract requires them to submit to his authority and decisions in order to keep financially benefiting from his "ministries" and businesses. Since these kids have nothing but a wisdom booklet education, and no formal training, they are for the most part beholden to JB for jobs. Austin is the one that does not work for daddykins, but he came into the marriage working for his own dad. All JB has to say is, "No one can talk to Jill or they will be in violation of your contract", and that is that unless they are willing to break with their dad. Jill raised a bunch of them. Is she willing to go after her dad even harder than the docuseries? Maybe. But I am not holding my breath. I sistermommied my baby sis, and I have to tell you, it would be an utter gut punch to be cut off from her. That would be like my own daughter cutting me out.

[Faith-manor]

4 minutes ago, KungFuPanda said:

Weird ILBP side question.  If Jim Bob suddenly passed away, who would be running that family?  I'd like to think they have the resources to quietly live their headship-free lives over there, but I'm not sure how much control their church actually has over them.  They seemed to be their own scion that was IBLP inspired but was really Church of Jim Bob.

Well, at this time, there seems to be a three way volley for leadership between Bates, Waller, and JimBob. $94 million is at stake in terms of who controls the assets of the organization. It also appears from Jedediah's travel vlogs, and other social media, that his father is plying him with a crap ton of money, trips, new r.v., you name it. Jed is the one that ran for representative and got round house kicked to the curb by a female. Clearly NOT a popular candidate. So I have a guess that Jed may be the new golden child. Joe and John David are involved in "Medicorp" which is a disaster charity that is nothing more than a grift. They show up after hurricanes, when out water bottles, street preach and hand out ChickTracts (just what people with demolished people need, not soft toilet paper) 😠, and plaster their web presence with pictures of the "team" eating tons of Chick-fil-A. They have actually been kicked out of disaster areas for getting in the way of real workers, and being a nuisance. So they live off all the fundie money donations. JD does the flying, and that doesn't exactly fill me with confidence because he crashed the plane with his wife and kid in it. The reason for the crash? He had known for months that the fuel tank gauge wasn't working - admitted that - and took off without bothering to fill the tank. It went empty soon after take off and he had to dead stick in. They walked away from it! He is so damn lucky!

At any rate, I think the LLC is very likely set up for Jed or one of the boys to take over, and since all the adults who live off the JB wagon train have to sign contracts beholden to him and the LLC, Mr.Narcissist, in the now long and much earned absence of the paedophile former golden child, has someone groomed to take his place. IBLP is also very strict about women not having money of their own, not having bank accounts of their own, not being in charge. If any Duggar is angling for control in IBLP, they will toe that line even if they are not being strict bout other things. Ego and greed plus being used to controlling their women will continue to be the norm.

JB wasn't popular. But he was the poster child, honeycomb of IBLP because once they were on t.v. it made major, positive press for that religion. "Look at the Shiny Happy People." He may not have been liked, however, he was very well tolerated because of the agenda being pushed. Make the cult seem like a donut with sprinkles.

Bates had a show too, just not as well publicized as Duggar, and on a different, less popular network. 

Waller was Bill Gothard's right and predatory jerk who wad even named in the lawsuit for having witnessed multiple acts of B.G's harassment and sexual aggression, and not doing a darn thing about it, and telling the women to just suck it up.

A trio of slime all jostling for the money.

[Annie G]

@Faith-manor, is Brandon Keilen also in the running to take over? I would assume both Jim Bob and Gil Bates are perhaps seen as too old or part of the old regime and that either Brandon K or David Waller are more likely to take over.  But maybe Brandon isn’t involved anymore…haven’t kept up with them.
All four of them are despicable, but David Waller really gives me the shivers. 

[Faith-manor]

2 hours ago, Annie G said:

@Faith-manor, is Brandon Keilen also in the running to take over? I would assume both Jim Bob and Gil Bates are perhaps seen as too old or part of the old regime and that either Brandon K or David Waller are more likely to take over.  But maybe Brandon isn’t involved anymore…haven’t kept up with them.
All four of them are despicable, but David Waller really gives me the shivers. 

I haven't heard much about Brandon. I really think the top dog is probably going to shake out to be Waller. Picking the most skivvy person in the running would be totally on point for this organization. On top of which he is younger, AND he positioned himself well. His fil is Keller - another utterly depraved sicko - his sil is the long suffering Anna "at least I have a husband because god hates divorce stand by your man" Keller making him Duggar adjacent. His racist fil made some pro-slavery statements a couple weeks ago at Waller's church while the service was being live streamed. Waller is a known racist but went running immediately to social media to "apology non-apology, we don't believe that" c.y.a. However, he himself has those same effed up ideas from the wisdom booklets which his own kids are being "home educated" with so it was nothing more than show. Of course he has to c.y.a. Can't injure his chances.

JB, always the infinite ego, hasn't stopped vying for position simply because he can't see the handwriting on the wall. He will keep it up to the bitter end. But it is always that way with people whose primary motivation is narcissitic power tripping.

Just my opinion of course. Who actually knows? I certainly don't attend IBLP board meetings or anything. I still have some contacts on the inside, and they give me a hunch, though nothing concrete, that Waller, Bates, and Duggar are in the mix, and Waller because he was Gothard's preferred slime ball thus has more support. 

Edited July 13, 2023 by Faith-manor

[KungFuPanda]

nm  I can't read

 

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[itsheresomewhere]

Brandon and Waller are the ones that are more than likely to get it.  Although if some interesting stuff about Waller comes out, it could take him out.  
 

From what I hear, they want someone younger than Gil Bates to be the top dog.  Makes sense as it would be easier to draw in more with a younger person. 

[Katy]

@KungFuPanda No one knows how JB has his estate set up. Traditionally in the IBLP it’s the next oldest male, but it definitely seems JB prefers Bunkbed Jed over birth order. 

Perhaps JB secretly made a deal with the devil to live to 350 years and not pass on his stolen money to anyone.

[stephanier.1765]

1 hour ago, Katy said:

@KungFuPanda No one knows how JB has his estate set up. Traditionally in the IBLP it’s the next oldest male, but it definitely seems JB prefers Bunkbed Jed over birth order. 

Perhaps JB secretly made a deal with the devil to live to 350 years and not pass on his stolen money to anyone.

OK, I've got to know - Bunkbed Jed?

[Faith-manor]

5 minutes ago, stephanier.1765 said:

OK, I've got to know - Bunkbed Jed?

The joke was that when Jed and Jeremiah moved out as adults, they moved in together and the home had two bedrooms, but they put bunkbeds in one room and continued to sleep in the same room. When it was shown on the show, it was kind of weird actually. So Jed got named bubbles Jed. Then The Sun, a ridiculously lazy excuse of a gossip rag, kept labeling Jeremiah as Jed over and over again so eventually Jeremiah got nicknamed Jed2, The Other Jed, etc. over on the reddit forum.

[Katy]

Just now, stephanier.1765 said:

OK, I've got to know - Bunkbed Jed?

Jed ran for office.  It had something to do with schools, I don't even remember what, just that he was absurdly unqualified compared to the professional woman with a graduate degree in education.

Jed hadn't even finished a GED, and according to various friends and church members who have made public comments on their educations, among the older kids only Jessa finished more math than Algebra 1, and only a handful of the oldest even qualified to take the GED in their state.  Most are just done with school when their mom needs another sister mom or their dad needs more labor.

So Jed had very little education outside of his cult and he never went to school. But he was running so a "man" could take over something a highly qualified woman was doing because clearly all women should be home barefoot and pregnant.  Now Jed didn't live in the district he was required to live in to run for this office.  Daddy Duggar bought Jed and his twin a house to live in in the correct district and set up bunk beds so they wouldn't be alone to sin.  Never been to school.  Needs an escort 24/7 to make sure he doesn't masturbate.  Hence Bunkbed Jed.

Of course, Bunkbed Jed lost.  I'm sure it had nothing to do with the Duggar Snark subreddit publishing the name and campaign information of the woman running, and people all over the world sending her money.  According to JB, it was because he was a virgin. What Jed needed was to get out of the bunk beds, get a real job, get married, and have a baby ASAP. So JB arranged a quicky marriage to Katey, gave him the car dealership that used to be Josh's (though they quickly changed the location), and now he wants Jed to the new powerhouse in the family since clearly Josh is a pedophile.

[Annie G]

I had no idea that Pa Keller’s racist statements were recent ! I saw the video and assumed it was years ago.   IBLP isn’t one bit better without Gothard at the helm. 

[Faith-manor]

1 hour ago, Katy said:

Jed ran for office.  It had something to do with schools, I don't even remember what, just that he was absurdly unqualified compared to the professional woman with a graduate degree in education.

Jed hadn't even finished a GED, and according to various friends and church members who have made public comments on their educations, among the older kids only Jessa finished more math than Algebra 1, and only a handful of the oldest even qualified to take the GED in their state.  Most are just done with school when their mom needs another sister mom or their dad needs more labor.

So Jed had very little education outside of his cult and he never went to school. But he was running so a "man" could take over something a highly qualified woman was doing because clearly all women should be home barefoot and pregnant.  Now Jed didn't live in the district he was required to live in to run for this office.  Daddy Duggar bought Jed and his twin a house to live in in the correct district and set up bunk beds so they wouldn't be alone to sin.  Never been to school.  Needs an escort 24/7 to make sure he doesn't masturbate.  Hence Bunkbed Jed.

Of course, Bunkbed Jed lost.  I'm sure it had nothing to do with the Duggar Snark subreddit publishing the name and campaign information of the woman running, and people all over the world sending her money.  According to JB, it was because he was a virgin. What Jed needed was to get out of the bunk beds, get a real job, get married, and have a baby ASAP. So JB arranged a quicky marriage to Katey, gave him the car dealership that used to be Josh's (though they quickly changed the location), and now he wants Jed to the new powerhouse in the family since clearly Josh is a pedophile.

JB is just such an ego idiot. The amount of money and support the subreddit threw behind the female candidate was substantial. On top of that, this subreddit fundraised during Josh's trial for an organization that helps abused children. It was a serious chunk of money they raised for this organization. And they have done that again since then. So they spend a lot of time calling out the Duggars and IBLP, and when they snark, they can be brutal, yet on the other side of it, they put their action and money where their mouths are and try make it have meaning.

But ya. Two grown men sharing bunkbeds. So eye roll worthy. And there is JB who can't put two and two together to get four. He expects the voters to have complete confidence in an uneducated ding dong, barely of age who requires 24/7 chaperoning with a father who is more concerned about "virginity" than anything else. This stuff is so bizarre that if it were not true, it would make a crazy, comedic novel. However it isn't funny when the idiocracy turns out to be reality!

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