umsami Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/01/anti-vaccinators-react-to-measles-outbreak.html?mid=google Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twigs Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Thanks for posting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vonfirmath Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Someone really didn't understand what the purpose of these forums ARE. "Mothering and parenting forums"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livetoread Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 If you ever needed a reminder that everything you post is public. . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethel Mertz Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 If you ever needed a reminder that everything you post is public. . . Yikes. Definitely. It's too easy to forget this fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unsinkable Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creekland Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Now I'm wishing I had read that thread. It's one I skipped due to lack of time and it's since been deleted. But yes, a good reminder that our posts are public. When I get bored at school and can't do much else I sometimes go to the Forums main page and click on the "see full list" at the bottom right next to the list of who's currently on. There are many guests - and many of those are looking at older threads. I amuse myself by seeing what is "triggering" search engines well after the thread is over. (Note: I never said my mind was normal. It definitely can find weird ways to amuse itself when "stuck" with just a computer at hand!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppy Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 DesertBloom and Elisabet1 can I have your autographs??? I really think it's smart to quote forums. It's where much of these discussions flourishes (or festers, depending on your perspective) . I just read an op-ed and thought "we covered that weeks ago online". "We" meaning just about everyone who is online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creekland Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 DesertBloom and Elisabet1 can I have your autographs??? I really think it's smart to quote forums. It's where much of these discussions flourishes (or festers, depending on your perspective) . I just read an op-ed and thought "we covered that weeks ago online". "We" meaning just about everyone who is online. I think many op-ed folks get their inspiration from online groups. It's a great source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Girls' Mom Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Well, it did prompt me to do something I've been meaning to do for a while. For the privacy of my kids, who are becoming fledgling adults, I'm going to move my online presence to something a tad more anonymous, starting by changing my user name here, lest I get quoted..lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wapiti Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 FWIW, there are still cached copies of some of the pages that come up in a google search. The internet is forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FO4UR Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 DesertBloom and Elisabet1 can I have your autographs??? :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spy Car Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 ...sane? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlett Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 DesertBloom and Elisabet1 can I have your autographs??? I really think it's smart to quote forums. It's where much of these discussions flourishes (or festers, depending on your perspective) . I just read an op-ed and thought "we covered that weeks ago online". "We" meaning just about everyone who is online. Me too! :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twigs Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 … (Note: I never said my mind was normal. It definitely can find weird ways to amuse itself when "stuck" with just a computer at hand!) Me too - I would take out my brain and play with it if I could! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slache Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Well this makes me want to change my name. Never would have thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Peregrine Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Wow. My thread is famous. Lol. I was unable to access the board for a couple of days. Then I found out it had been deleted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heidi Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Uh this creeps me out. I changed my name. No one will recognize me now!!! I HAVE THE POWER !!!!!!! Or is that He-Man? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creekland Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Uh this creeps me out. I changed my name. No one will recognize me now!!! I HAVE THE POWER !!!!!!! Or is that He-Man? Great - now I won't remember who anyone is. I think I'm headed out for a walk along the beach... When I return, it'll be a whole new set of forum groupies, but I'll be less likely to care at not knowing who is who. ;) Too bad we who have been here for eons can't have some sort of cheat sheet to assist our older memories! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Girls' Mom Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Great - now I won't remember who anyone is. I think I'm headed out for a walk along the beach... When I return, it'll be a whole new set of forum groupies, but I'll be less likely to care at not knowing who is who. ;) Too bad we who have been here for eons can't have some sort of cheat sheet to assist our older memories! Well, I was nice and didn't change my profile pic :) I'll probably leave it as is for a while, so I can at least get used to my OWN new name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJosMom Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Someone really didn't understand what the purpose of these forums ARE. "Mothering and parenting forums"? Well, had they described WTM as a homeschooling forum, everyone would KNOW that we're nuts. :glare: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKL Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 One of these days I'm going to have to go back and edit all my posts. All nearly 14,000 of them. :P Even though I am anonymous, I need to stop posting so many facts. Especially the ones about extended family members who would recognize themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wapiti Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 I've been feeling a name change coming on for some time now. Maybe I ought to bite the bullet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maize Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Funny thing is there were more pro-vax than anti-vax comments on that thread... but if they had quoted those they wouldn't be able to identify us as a community of anti-vaxers ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiana Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Funny thing is there were more pro-vax than anti-vax comments on that thread... but if they had quoted those they wouldn't be able to identify us as a community of anti-vaxers ;) Exactly what I was thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slache Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Funny thing is there were more pro-vax than anti-vax comments on that thread... but if they had quoted those they wouldn't be able to identify us as a community of anti-vaxers ;) I hope you're not trying to accuse the media of skewing things? ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawthorne44 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 I feel old. An article on forum posts? Really? This is news? I guess that is easier than actually talking to people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albeto. Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Funny thing is there were more pro-vax than anti-vax comments on that thread... but if they had quoted those they wouldn't be able to identify us as a community of anti-vaxers ;) Instead of a community of, oh say, educators? This kind of exposure will surely support the argument for regulating home education, and that might not be a bad thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plansrme Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 I feel old. An article on forum posts? Really? This is news? I guess that is easier than actually talking to people. I get ridiculously annoyed when I see news coverage of people's Tweets. Entire articles of almost nothing but screenshots of Twitter feeds. It is like the entire news media is now Buzzfeed. Don't get me wrong--I love Buzzfeed and attribute my current obsession with corgis entirely to Buzzfeed's article on the most important corgis of 2014, but what is fine for spreading corgi joy is not fine for hard news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mamaraby Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 I get ridiculously annoyed when I see news coverage of people's Tweets. Entire articles of almost nothing but screenshots of Twitter feeds. It is like the entire news media is now Buzzfeed. Don't get me wrong--I love Buzzfeed and attribute my current obsession with corgis entirely to Buzzfeed's article on the most important corgis of 2014, but what is fine for spreading corgi joy is not fine for hard news. That's basically what I thought. It seemed...lazy on the part of the reporter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILiveInFlipFlops Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 One of these days I'm going to have to go back and edit all my posts. All nearly 14,000 of them. :p Even though I am anonymous, I need to stop posting so many facts. Especially the ones about extended family members who would recognize themselves. I keep thinking the same thing! Although as someone pointed out, there are cached versions. Those are harder to accidentally come across, of course. I also had a previous user name here that I abandoned for privacy's sake. It was much more open, and my name could easily be determined. I wonder if it's too late to go edit those posts too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TracyP Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 I keep thinking the same thing! Although as someone pointed out, there are cached versions. Those are harder to accidentally come across, of course. I also had a previous user name here that I abandoned for privacy's sake. It was much more open, and my name could easily be determined. I wonder if it's too late to go edit those posts too? Do what you need to as far as editing or changing your name. Just fyi... You cannot edit anything that has been quoted, obviously. But more importantly, anytime you have been quoted, your user name at that time will show up in the quote box. It is then easy to connect the old name to the new one. I run across this fairly often when searching old threads. You would want a completely new account if you want to be anonymous (as far as that is possible). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liz CA Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 If you ever needed a reminder that everything you post is public. . . Yes, and this is a striking reminder. And evidently nobody needs to get any kind of permission. This also shows the importance of selecting a "vague" user name IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bettyandbob Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 kind of disturbing. I guess I knew this could happen, but I put the thought out of my mind. I guess I need to come up with a different user name. Maybe I should go back and start erasing old posts. I try to be careful about what info I put out, but this makes me want to reevaluate. Perhaps, I should get off line and channel Ron Swanson from Parks and Rec with regard to privacy guarding. Maybe not that extreme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unsinkable Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Yes, and this is a striking reminder. And evidently nobody needs to get any kind of permission. This also shows the importance of selecting a "vague" user name IMHO. Those are two good options for a user name: "Vague User Name" Or "IMHO" :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsuga Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 OMG I recognize some of those people from Mothering.com. Deborah is still there. Holy crap. She is like, an institution. So many babies not vaccinated because of that one woman and her shrill freaking out and rude attempts at silencing people who speak from a different point of view. Does she still think the Simpsonwood Transcript is anything but a record of a very boring meeting reporting on Why the Public Will Never Get Type I Errors So How Can We Explain This P Value? She has flailed every "accusation" from mental illness (not an accusation but still) to being a shill at me. (I know, me! And I don't even get the flu shot!!!!) Very eerie. Hey media, how about the grassroots provax movement? These blogs and some under-the-radar message boards saved me when I thought I was the only sane person on the Internet: http://justthevax.blogspot.com/2014/03/75-studies-that-show-no-link-between.html scienceblogs.com/insolence sciencebasedparenting.com (defunct, bring it back boys, bring it back!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawnM Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 And now the thread has been deleted so we can't go back and read it. I think I posted in it, but can't remember what I said. I am sure it was something quite profound! :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amy in NH Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 I wonder what kind of trouble you can get into by changing your user name to that of a real person who isn't you? Does anyone else ever like a post early on, and then have to unlike it to like it again before getting to the end of the post? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKL Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Well, I don't know that any one person can be "blamed" for another person making a parenting decision. I think it's good that people at least recognize that it is in fact a parenting decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elisabet1 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 We can change our names? It is a little unfair, I could have said something better if I had only known! LOL Oh wait..yeah..I have never been that eloquent. Maybe I couldn't have done better! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsuga Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Well, I don't know that any one person can be "blamed" for another person making a parenting decision. I think it's good that people at least recognize that it is in fact a parenting decision. In the case of Deborah you really have to read the thousands of pages of that area of mothering.com to get a feeling for what is going on there. And since they are a top hit, that group of individuals who are bullying and stalking people (like going to their personal blogs and stalking them there) determining what content is posted there and how the debate goes, has the potential to have a big effect on an individual's decisions. Deborah and a few other people would start swearing and using personal insults, like seriously offensive stuff, to get threads shut down every time it finally came down to a few clear scientifically valid points I know a woman who has an archive on her personal computer of all the arguments won by the pro-vaccine people from 2005 - 2007 or so.... and the subsequent "this thread has been removed" subs! They almost never remove threads no matter how offensive, if anti-vaccine. Yes. She was a computer programmer and stayed home for a few years, bored out of her mind with a toddler, lol! It was and probably still is a totally toxic atmosphere. But for the vulnerable new mom it seems like this friendly place. It is like a cult. Ugh. I take responsibility for my decisions but watching many people go down that freak-out spiral I just had to leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathnerd Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 I thought that this topic was about the WTM book quoted in NYM. I was so disappointed to find that their writers are trolling the WTM chat boards to come up with material and comments for current affairs. One of these days I'm going to have to go back and edit all my posts. All nearly 14,000 of them. :p Even though I am anonymous, I need to stop posting so many facts. Especially the ones about extended family members who would recognize themselves. SKL, just change your user name. That is far easier than changing your old posts. For those that did not read that thread: google cache still has it stored. You can access it that way. I can see why the reporter quoted WTM forums. It pops up on a simple google search on the vaccination topic for me. Lazy reporting at its best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKL Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 I don't recall ever going to Mothering.com. Thanks for the heads-up! :p I used to kick around on a popular parenting blog. It was so dumb, I can't really tell you why I kept going back for so long. And one day I got an email from a friend, saying this one mean blogger had done a post about me on her personal (and very popular) blog. I responded and then she started posting my personal info (which she could see as the blog owner) for all to see. She googled me and found my workplace and threatened to complain to my boss. That was freaky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vonfirmath Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 And now the thread has been deleted so we can't go back and read it. I think I posted in it, but can't remember what I said. I am sure it was something quite profound! :lol: I wonder if it was deleted because it was going to be quoted in this newspaper and she didn't want the news reading hordes coming in and adding their 2 cents? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppy Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 I thought that this topic was about the WTM book quoted in NYM. I was so disappointed to find that their writers are trolling the WTM chat boards to come up with material and comments for current affairs. SKL, just change your user name. That is far easier than changing your old posts. For those that did not read that thread: google cache still has it stored. You can access it that way. I can see why the reporter quoted WTM forums. It pops up on a simple google search on the vaccination topic for me. Lazy reporting at its best. Who says they're trolling? Lots of posters here are writers (or think they are!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppy Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 In the case of Deborah you really have to read the thousands of pages of that area of mothering.com to get a feeling for what is going on there. And since they are a top hit, that group of individuals who are bullying and stalking people (like going to their personal blogs and stalking them there) determining what content is posted there and how the debate goes, has the potential to have a big effect on an individual's decisions. Deborah and a few other people would start swearing and using personal insults, like seriously offensive stuff, to get threads shut down every time it finally came down to a few clear scientifically valid points I know a woman who has an archive on her personal computer of all the arguments won by the pro-vaccine people from 2005 - 2007 or so.... and the subsequent "this thread has been removed" subs! They almost never remove threads no matter how offensive, if anti-vaccine. Yes. She was a computer programmer and stayed home for a few years, bored out of her mind with a toddler, lol! It was and probably still is a totally toxic atmosphere. But for the vulnerable new mom it seems like this friendly place. It is like a cult. Ugh. I take responsibility for my decisions but watching many people go down that freak-out spiral I just had to leave. I was on mothering.com for a while when I had my first, and didn't realize how "you're an idiot if you don't agree with me" it was until I left. It's like a parody of a thoughtful discussion..... it looks like one, but it's actually the exact opposite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommymilkies Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 :iagree: and how readily the media takes things out of context. Exactly. Cherry picking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsuga Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 I don't recall ever going to Mothering.com. Thanks for the heads-up! :p I used to kick around on a popular parenting blog. It was so dumb, I can't really tell you why I kept going back for so long. And one day I got an email from a friend, saying this one mean blogger had done a post about me on her personal (and very popular) blog. I responded and then she started posting my personal info (which she could see as the blog owner) for all to see. She googled me and found my workplace and threatened to complain to my boss. That was freaky. Can I ask which blog that was?!? That's pretty freaky. I imagine many of us frequent the same areas of the blogosphere.... I was so disappointed to find that their writers are trolling the WTM chat boards to come up with material and comments for current affairs. Oh we just love doing their job for them though. Reddit is like one huge troll area for content generators. "Hey everybody I have acne how do you solve it top ten home solutions?" Next day on Buzzfeed: Top Ten Home Remedies for Acne. Took me a while to figure that out... I felt pretty stupid when I did! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vonfirmath Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 OTOH reddit also has some fairly unique boards too. My husband is active on one that helps people understanding math problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsuga Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Oh I love and hate Reddit. It is just the big one. I had to block it from my computer! Too much stuff to talk about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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