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Math Credit and DE Class  Transcript Question
kiana replied to Reefgazer's topic in High School and SelfEducation Board
I think if they compare the transcripts and notice that you left it off to raise the GPA, it may raise the question of the legitimacy of other grades. 
UGH, when a prof doesn't grade things timely
kiana replied to easypeasy's topic in The College Board
I think part of it is that tests in quantitative subjects, or subjects where there is a clear "wrong", are intrinsically more easy and rapid to grade. I still remember one of my undergrad profs saying "Well, I was a double major in English and Math, and I was thinking about graduate school ... and I thought "Do I want to grade papers, or problem sets?" and after that the choice was clear." Personally, I usually get test grades posted the same day, unless I have multiple students who are taking a delayed test  I grade each problem together for consistency and fairness. Quiz grades are usually posted within an hour or so. But I'm in math. That being said, I completely agree that not getting some kind of feedback on paper 1 before being required to submit paper 2 is utterly ridiculous. 
Help with maths problem please
kiana replied to chocolatechip chooky's topic in High School and SelfEducation Board
This reminds me of a student that my undergrad adviser told me about. They were using a classic book on mathematical probability/statistics  the issue was that sometimes for 2 SD they'd use 95% and sometimes they'd use 95.45%, and so he wouldn't get exactly what the back of the book said. It drove the student nuts. 
Precalculus Scope and Sequence
kiana replied to prairiewindmomma's topic in High School and SelfEducation Board
So I've just gone and checked the TOC. (went with this one  https://www.sjaweb.org/ourpages/auto/2014/5/27/63078308/Precalculus with Limits _ 2E 2010 ISBN 9781439049099 _ Ron Larson_ Robert P_ Hostetler.pdf  in case your numbering is different). First of all, he won't be crippled in calc if you just stop where you are. Other people may vary, but I'm going to give my opinion just as someone who sees what my calculus students struggle with. I assume (based on what you say about him) that he is solidly competent in basic algebra skills such as negative/fractional exponents, factoring, rational expressions/complex fractions, and graphical representation of functions. If he weren't, my advice would be more to review those. I've listed each chapter individually below, but I've summarized all the sections here. The ones I'd really hate to miss are 9.5  9.7, 10.1  10.4, 10.6, 11.1. The last two, just so that there is some basic exposure to coordinate systems beyond the standard cartesian plane. When I say "skim", I mean read the section, work through the examples and try to understand the big picture, and do at least the beginning computational problems. Chapter 9: I'd look at arithmetic + geometric sequences and series  they'll be redone in calc 2 as part of a much broader overview but calc 2 students find sequences + series horribly difficult in general. Some base knowledge is a good idea, especially becoming familiar with the sigma notation for series. Very few precalc students are going to get anything out of the mathematical induction section  I'd look through it (it's an early exposure to proof), but not worry about doing a lot of the homework. You can return to this one later if there's time. Binomial theorem I *would* do, and counting + probability  it's not so necessary in calculus, but imho every functional adult should have some basic understanding of counting and probability. The binomial theorem is actually a huge help if you need to expand something like (x + y)^4. I also think I'd skim the "proofs in mathematics" at the end of the chapter. Chapter 10: For analytic geometry, I would definitely cover lines, parabolas, ellipses (I assume circles fit in there as a special case?), and hyperbolas. Lack of understanding of these really hurts a lot of calculus students. Parametric equations and polar coordinates are also something that I'd like to include although the calculus textbook should also teach it. I'd at least skim the graphs of polar equations. I wouldn't worry about the rotation of conics and the polar equations of conics  again, you can return to these. I don't even know if I'd skim them. We don't do a lot with them in calculus class, other than 90 degree rotations and polar equations of circles, and those usually aren't terribly difficult for people who understand the basic levels. Chapter 11: It's good to have some exposure to 3d geometry but it is customarily taught from scratch in calc 3 and/or linear (whichever comes first at the school) because many high schools don't teach it or don't teach it well. I would make sure to do the first section just so he has an idea that the cartesian coordinate system goes beyond two dimensions, and after that I would skim. Chapter 12: The limits + intro to calculus will be completely retaught in calculus. This is the last chapter in the book. I think at least skimming it would be a good idea just to ease the transition to calculus, but if by then you are just ready to be Done it won't hurt him to stop. It'll just make the beginning of calculus a little bit easier if he's seen it once before. HTH. 
Help with maths problem please
kiana replied to chocolatechip chooky's topic in High School and SelfEducation Board
The only way that I get 1239 is if I round r^2 and h two decimal places prior to substituting into the final formula. Which is WRONG. ARGH. 
Saxon Algebra I and II over 3 years?
kiana replied to charlotteb's topic in High School and SelfEducation Board
I guess that I'd think of it as ... does she buckle down and do her math? Is she a "just get it done" type of person? Saxon may work. But otherwise, I'd be far more inclined to go with something a little less tedious. Saxon is kinda like digging into a plate of boiled broccoli because you're eating your veggies. It gets the job done, but ... 
There are different kinds of applied math. Someone who's looking at engineering would be looking more at the calculus side. Someone who's looking at actuarial science would need the probability side (and the calculus side, but). Universitymajor applied math is still pretty theoretical. I went back and looked at the requirements for one school I attended. They required calc 13, linear, diffeq, modeling, advanced calculus 12 (this is a theory class, calculus with proofs), a survey of probability and statistics, and three electives. Their electives all included significant quantities of theory. Examples were differential equations with proofs, complex analysis (calculus with proofs and complex numbers), numerical analysis (again, proofs). They also needed to pursue an approved minor. Someone who was looking at actuarial science, for example, might choose something like economics or finance. Someone else might choose physics because it's more in line with their interest.

re: calc 3 and linear algebra. It is quite uncommon to require linear algebra as a prereq for multivariable calculus; it is generally taught on an asneeded basis. Calculus is usually required as a prerequisite for linear, not because the linear algebra content itself requires calculus, but because a certain level of mathematical maturity is required. Calculus examples are used in some of the popular linear algebra textbooks (Anton, for one) but they are asterisked and could be omitted. There are other courses (modern algebra, for example) where technically they could be done after precalculus (there are modern algebra texts that are structured for intro to proofs) but it would be rare indeed for a student to have that level of maturity and not had calculus. re: op, if she thinks calculus is easy and boring I would not do diffeq or mvc, I think it would be more of the same. I think that a discrete math course would be a wonderful idea. I had taken calc 13, linear (computationally oriented), diffeq, and stats, all of which were easy and boring. I took discrete, which at my college was intro to proofs, but it was also the last class required for my math minor, and halfway through the semester I changed my major to math. I think I'd consider the following: The aops discrete math classes  the intro level might not be very challenging to someone who has already had calculus, but the topics are fun and it certainly will fill the bill of a senior math class. If nt/combinatorics are completed I'd say 1cr discrete math. For each one I'd say a semester's credit would be totally reasonable. The stats II  AP stats often doesn't transfer in very well, and especially if she took stats at the CC. Stats II should transfer as something. A CC liberal arts math class  again, it will be a bunch of fun topics that won't be especially challenging, but will be generally chosen to be of either high interest or high applicability. It'd probably end up transferring and counting for a general elective. Doing math for liberal arts on your own with Lippman's math and society (free) and/or jacobs MHE, choose your own units based on interest. Many of these would be great one semester courses, so you could mix and match. I've headed towards the easier and of more interest to the humanities side because you mentioned her desire to git'r'done and study languages.

See, I do think there's a place for a graphing calculator. But it should come after some idea of what you're up to in the first place. I also teach them to use it as an error checker for "did I simplify this horrible thing correctly"  if you graph f(x) = "horrible thing" and g(x) = "simplified horrible thing", the graphs should line up, and if they don't, you goofed. I've spent a lot of time coming up with problems where the calculator won't help them if they don't understand the concept, and isn't necessary if they do.

So I don't think the limit definition for chain rule is really illuminating for calc 1 students. I skip it unless I have someone who really wants to see it. It's in the appendix. Product rule, yes, and quotient either from the limit definition or from product + chain, yes. For the chain rule, at that level it's pretty common to also verify by computing d/dx (9x^2 + 30x + 25)

I also could not remember which term went first in the quotient rule until I was teaching calculus for the second time. But if I used the chain + product, I would get it correct every time. I also agree about the product rule. It's interesting. It's a nifty little proof. But it's one of those that CAN be a formula. I'd do it if the kid is interested and not if they aren't.

I came in here to recommend MHE as well. A lot of people have done that prior to algebra. You may also have some luck with finding interesting units from MEP (free).

Saxon Algebra 1 AND TT Algebra 1 question
kiana replied to wehave8's topic in High School and SelfEducation Board
Jann is right and I'm just going to add some reasoning. A PS textbook is frequently not designed to be completed in its entirety, but rather the teacher or school would choose the "core" sections and then add in other sections as required. They often include what would be more than a year's work for an average student. An excellent example would be alg 2/trig, where the trig chapters need not be done if the student is going into a standard oneyear precalculus class the next year, but a student who was going to take an accelerated precalculus class that actually got through a significant amount of calculus (a friend of mine teaches at a school where the accelerated track is alg 2/trig, precalc/calc a, calc bc) would need to complete the whole thing. The flexibility in textbooks allows different courses at different levels to be run using the same text, which is a strong consideration for a text that is expected to be adopted widely and taught by a teacher who is experienced with the material. Many textbooks designed specifically for the homeschool market are designed for selfstudy, for video learning, or to be taught by someone who does know the material but is not necessarily at a level where they would know what is "core" and what is "advanced/optional". As such, they are designed to include a year's worth of material and maybe a little extra. If material is extra, it is usually indicated. TT is designed for the homeschool market (and specifically for standardlevel classes) and as such does not include all of the extra work, and again should be completed. Saxon, while not designed for the homeschool market, is designed to be completed in its entirety and includes a standard year's worth of work; the review at the beginning of the next course may suffice for a bright student, but I would recommend against it. I hope this adds a little bit of clarification as to why your program would say it's okay in general. I'm not sure if summer schooling is an option, but one good option would be to cut math back to three times a week (distributed through the week, not mon/tues/weds) and just spend more weeks on it. This would help reduce summer "braindrain" as well. You may find that you can move more rapidly through the review at the beginning of next year as a result. It is generally better to move more rapidly through the review than to rely on the review to introduce new material. 
Closed door or hiccup in our "plans"? CC
kiana replied to cintinative's topic in General Education Discussion Board
Honestly, the fact that they aren't willing to reassess after the summer would have me quite concerned. It makes it seem incredibly rigid, and this was one of the problems with tracking that led to it being abolished  someone being put on a low track would have little to no opportunity to jump up if they matured later or turned out to have been misplaced. If we (at the college) have someone who is trying to challenge a class, we usually just give them the final. Most of them are not successful, but at least both we and they are convinced that they need the class. The very occasional student who actually does do well on a cumulative final clearly shouldn't have to take the class. What do they have to lose by redoing the assessment at the end of the summer? At worst, he would score the same.