prairiewindmomma Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Anyone following the news this afternoon? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saraha Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Like a mad woman. I really need to stop checking every five minutes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa in Australia Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 I feel it is going to be very messy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YaelAldrich Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 My husband compared it to the annexation of Sudetenland in the inter war period. 5 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewellerman Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 I was hoping someone would start a thread about this. I'm keeping a close eye on things, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prairiewindmomma Posted February 22, 2022 Author Share Posted February 22, 2022 Just now, YaelAldrich said: My husband compared it to the annexation of Sudetenland in the inter war period. We talked about this and are also talking about Taiwan and Poland/Belarus/Russia and the proxy war in Syria. I ended up making a big pot of chili and we are all sitting around glued to the tv. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loowit Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 I have been checking the news constantly for the last couple of days. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewellerman Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Does anyone have a good book or resource to recommend for upper high school kids? My older kids want more background and history surrounding what is happening now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harriet Vane Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Checking constantly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harriet Vane Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 1 minute ago, thewellerman said: Does anyone have a good book or resource to recommend for upper high school kids? My older kids want more background and history surrounding what is happening now. One of my favorite resources for explaining the news to teens is CNN10 (formerly CNN Student News). It's news for teens and kids, and the host, Carl Azus, seems to try hard to simply explain the facts and show a few sides. The broadcast on Friday 2/18 addresses the Russia/Ukraine situation. CNN10: The big stories of the day, explained in 10 minutes 7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewellerman Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Just now, Harriet Vane said: One of my favorite resources for explaining the news to teens is CNN10 (formerly CNN Student News). It's news for teens and kids, and the host, Carl Azus, seems to try hard to simply explain the facts and show a few sides. The broadcast on Friday 2/18 addresses the Russia/Ukraine situation. CNN10: The big stories of the day, explained in 10 minutes Oh, yes. I can't believe I forgot that one. Thank you! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prairiewindmomma Posted February 22, 2022 Author Share Posted February 22, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, thewellerman said: Does anyone have a good book or resource to recommend for upper high school kids? My older kids want more background and history surrounding what is happening now. The Wikipedia section on Ukraine is quite good for a history background: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine ETA: on the proxy war aspect—Syria: https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2020/08/25/u-s-and-russian-interests-in-the-syrian-war/amp/ Poland crisis 1980 (when invasion was averted): https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/nato-thwarted-a-russian-invasion-in-1980-could-its-playbook-work-today/ Edited February 22, 2022 by prairiewindmomma 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spryte Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Yes, following incessantly but quietly so as not to trigger the kid with anxiety. That means reading and the occasional shot of NPR if I sneak into another room. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PinkTulip Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 I feel like I did when the US started bombing Baghdad when I was in college, listening to live reports from Wolf Blitzer, watching a war unfold on live TV. (Sorry, brain freeze and I can’t remember - Operation Desert Storm?) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eos Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 It grieves my heart. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innisfree Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Loowit said: I have been checking the news constantly for the last couple of days. This is me, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 He's ordering troops into Ukraine. 😞 I'm guessing we will see it live in the daylight. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prairiewindmomma Posted February 22, 2022 Author Share Posted February 22, 2022 So far the troops are just in areas where they already have standing Russian forces though (since the annexation of the Crimea). I hope that we will find a diplomatic solution—there will be a call for elections and self determination—and it ends there. I do think that is a form of appeasement, but it would parallel what happened in Georgia in 2008. My understanding is that there is not yet consensus among our European partners on sanctions if he remains in those areas. It’s only if he moves on to Kyiv that the partners all agree that action must be taken. What is everyone else’s take? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 What's Putin's messaging with saying Ukraine is not a country? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carol in Cal. Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 6 minutes ago, Starr said: What's Putin's messaging with saying Ukraine is not a country? It makes it legit to divide it into pieces. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 But not necessarily take the whole thing? Just now, Carol in Cal. said: It makes it legit to divide it into pieces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Im hoping for things to settle down but it doesn't look so encouraging to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelingChris Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 7 hours ago, YaelAldrich said: My husband compared it to the annexation of Sudetenland in the inter war period. That is what my husband did too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausmumof3 Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 I kept wanting to start a thread on this but didn’t know what to say or ask. It must have been such an awfully anxious week for people in the region. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prairiewindmomma Posted February 22, 2022 Author Share Posted February 22, 2022 Germany has halted the certification process for natural gas coming in via NordStream 2. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/22/germany-halts-nord-stream-2-approval-over-russian-recognition-of-ukraine-republics continued disagreement among Euro nations as to sanctions: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/22/west-struggles-to-maintain-unity-in-face-of-russia-ukraine-crisis-eu-debate 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carol in Cal. Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 10 hours ago, Starr said: But not necessarily take the whole thing? Piecemeal, gives justification gradually. As an alternative to total war it avoids some of the diplomatic issues while still accomplishing the main objective. At least that’s my read on it. Ugh. 4 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mom2scouts Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 My teen is headed to the military, speaks Russian, and has extensive history knowledge of that area. He was supposed to be doing his homework last night, but kept coming downstairs to give me updates on Ukraine. It's very concerning. I'm not even sure how much I think the US should get involved, but allowing Russia to continue may be a mistake. Another kid works with people in Poland and they are so worried that they're applying for work visas and jobs in the US. A friend of ours gave money to someone he knows so they can get their elderly parents out of Ukraine. I hope Putin can be convinced to back off. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frogger Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 40 minutes ago, mom2scouts said: My teen is headed to the military, speaks Russian, and has extensive history knowledge of that area. He was supposed to be doing his homework last night, but kept coming downstairs to give me updates on Ukraine. It's very concerning. I'm not even sure how much I think the US should get involved, but allowing Russia to continue may be a mistake. Another kid works with people in Poland and they are so worried that they're applying for work visas and jobs in the US. A friend of ours gave money to someone he knows so they can get their elderly parents out of Ukraine. I hope Putin can be convinced to back off. It is good to think about the consequences of breaking the Budepest Memorandum in regards to other countries and future negotiations. Not that I know the best next step but... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pawz4me Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Biden is supposed to speak any time now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadrunner Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 If you want to understand the region, I recommend this podcast. Doesn’t get more knowledgeable than that. https://www.powervertical.org 3 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Hopper Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, Roadrunner said: If you want to understand the region, I recommend this podcast. Doesn’t get more knowledgeable than that. https://www.powervertical.org This the one with Brian Whitmore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadrunner Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 17 minutes ago, Grace Hopper said: This the one with Brian Whitmore? Yes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saraha Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Nothing new on the president’s speech, other than get ready for more rising prices, which will probably lead to a run on things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insertcreativenamehere Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 (edited) 18 hours ago, PinkTulip said: I feel like I did when the US started bombing Baghdad when I was in college, listening to live reports from Wolf Blitzer, watching a war unfold on live TV. (Sorry, brain freeze and I can’t remember - Operation Desert Storm?) Exactly this. My academic background is in international relations so I find this stuff absolutely fascinating but the older I get, the more it grieves me as well, to see the horrors of war and innocent people's lives horribly impacted by no fault of their own. Edited February 22, 2022 by Insertcreativenamehere 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Hopper Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 15 minutes ago, Insertcreativenamehere said: Exactly this. My academic background is in international relations so I find this stuff absolutely fascinating but the older I get, the more it grieves me as well, to see the horrors of war and innocent people's lives horribly impacted by no fault of their own. The older I become the more flabbergasted I am that the decisions of one man, or a handful of men, can cause great suffering for many innocents. It’s ghastly. 17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommyoffive Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 5 hours ago, saraha said: Nothing new on the president’s speech, other than get ready for more rising prices, which will probably lead to a run on things. Yep. How the Ukraine crisis is already hitting Americans' wallets (msn.com) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausmumof3 Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 Fuel prices jumped to over $2L here. (I have already been paying that for 98 hate to think what that’s going to cost now). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadrunner Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 It’s always our wallets. What are we willing to tolerate for cheap gas? Meanwhile https://www.businessinsider.com/ukrainian-parents-brace-children-russian-invasion-2022-2?amp 1 2 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prairiewindmomma Posted February 23, 2022 Author Share Posted February 23, 2022 In today's news: former US president praises Putin and his actions: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/23/trump-putin-genius-russia-ukraine-crisis China accuses US of creating "fear and panic" over Ukraine: https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/china-us-creating-fear-panic-ukraine-83058273 but also says this: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/23/shared-resentments-but-russia-ties-could-be-awkward-for-china US sanctions on Russian banks, sovereign debt, oligarchal families: https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/22/u-s-sanctions-russia-ukraine-invasion-00010733 https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy0602 Russian stock market tanks a bit: https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2022/2/23/russian-billionaires-see-wealth-tumble-as-tensions-escalate Blinken (US) cancels meeting with Lavrov (Russia): https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/23/us-says-blinken-cancels-meeting-with-lavrov link to NATO press conference after Ukraine meeting yesterday: https://www.natomultimedia.tv/app/home 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisa Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 So sad! I figured Putin would wait till after the Olympics to do anything with Ukraine and he has. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamerGirl Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 Flabbergasted at the words of someone who I thought will lead the condemnation. I have words, but will be banned so I shall 😷. Last thing this world needs after the past almost 3 years is WWIII. What was that quote about people who do not learn from history. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldberry Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 (edited) On 2/22/2022 at 10:27 AM, Carol in Cal. said: Piecemeal, gives justification gradually. As an alternative to total war it avoids some of the diplomatic issues while still accomplishing the main objective. At least that’s my read on it. Ugh. Why not, it's worked the last few times Russia has tried it... 😭 https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/02/22/russia-ukraine-invasion-georgia-2008-south-ossetia-tskhinvali/ https://inews.co.uk/news/world/russia-annex-crimea-why-putin-invaded-2014-what-happened-nato-annexation-explained-1424682 Edited February 23, 2022 by goldberry 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Hopper Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 May get in trouble for politics but…. This timing strikes me as convenient considering what’s coming out of the Jan 6 investigation. Someone’s statement today in hand with the current breaking NYT headline… well, this is ridiculous and terrifying at the same time. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carol in Cal. Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 41 minutes ago, goldberry said: Why not, it's worked the last few times Russia has tried it... 😭 https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/02/22/russia-ukraine-invasion-georgia-2008-south-ossetia-tskhinvali/ https://inews.co.uk/news/world/russia-annex-crimea-why-putin-invaded-2014-what-happened-nato-annexation-explained-1424682 See, exactly. It's right out of the playbook. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbutton Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 3 hours ago, prairiewindmomma said: In today's news: former US president praises Putin and his actions: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/23/trump-putin-genius-russia-ukraine-crisis They quoted some interesting double-speak in that article. 2 hours ago, DreamerGirl said: Flabbergasted at the words of someone who I thought will lead the condemnation. I think I missed something. If you want to PM me, I am curious who you are talking about and what they said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewellerman Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, kbutton said: I think I missed something. If you want to PM me, I am curious who you are talking about and what they said. @DreamerGirlme, too, please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamerGirl Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 @kbutton and @thewellerman Done ! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelingChris Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 (edited) Does anyone have a source that actually plays what the former President said in entirety or reports in entirety. Because even reading the short and abbreviated part that I read, you can tell it is said sarcastically. And in reporting on some other news outlet (not an ally of that President), the report said he gave conflicting statements about Ukraine in those remarks which seems to go along with my impression that the so-called praise was actually sarcasm. Cause you can definitely think someone is making smart moves while not thinking that those are moral. OH I finally found it- very obvious he was not saying it is a good thing that Russia was invaded. In fact, he called it very sad. Earlier, he said other words that made it clear he was not saying this was a good thing. Edited February 24, 2022 by TravelingChris 5 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spy Car Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, TravelingChris said: Does anyone have a source that actually plays what the former President said in entirety or reports in entirety. Because even reading the short and abbreviated part that I read, you can tell it is said sarcastically. And in reporting on some other news outlet (not an ally of that President), the report said he gave conflicting statements about Ukraine in those remarks which seems to go along with my impression that the so-called praise was actually sarcasm. Um no. It was perfect. Bill 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frances Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 14 minutes ago, TravelingChris said: Does anyone have a source that actually plays what the former President said in entirety or reports in entirety. Because even reading the short and abbreviated part that I read, you can tell it is said sarcastically. And in reporting on some other news outlet (not an ally of that President), the report said he gave conflicting statements about Ukraine in those remarks which seems to go along with my impression that the so-called praise was actually sarcasm. It’s pretty sad when he leaves many wondering if it was sarcasm or not in regards to something so very important. Being plain spoken in this situation seems very important. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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