Guest Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, Amethyst said: Yes! Great video! He actually mentions Philly a couple times! When my sister moved to New York, she picked up this flattened “a” sound and said she was getting “mAaaaahhh-rried”. It sounded so weird to my ear, coming from my sister’s mouth! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoeless Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 32 minutes ago, Amethyst said: Merry and cherry rhyme for me too. It’s just that I pronounce it cherry and you probably pronounce it chair-y No, because chair-y would rhyme with hairy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matryoshka Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 20 minutes ago, Amethyst said: Yes! Great video! He actually mentions Philly a couple times! Yeah, except he isn't pronouncing Mary and merry right. At all. Mary is pronounced like he pronounces merry; i don't know what craziness he's attempting changing 'Mary to something with a stronger R?' Is he nuts? No, its just that merry has a short E! I saw that video but couldn't link it, 'cause he does NOT get it right. Marry he seems to do okay with.. I've found an audio clip that gets it right, but they won't embed... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JennyD Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Wheres Toto said: Me too. Merry rhymes with very, marry rhymes with carry, and Mary rhymes with fairy. Pour and poor are definitely the same, paw is different - no r sound in paw. Don and Dawn are different. Central NJ. Same for me. However, my mom, who is from the outer boroughs of NYC, pronounces 'pour/poor' a lot like 'paw,' with no 'r' at the end, and 'paw' like 'poor,' with an 'r.' Years ago we had a long and exceptionally confusing conversation in which I thought she was talking about 'caulk' when she was actually saying 'cork.' I couldn't understand why she thought it would be a good idea to put that gray weatherstripping material on my walls. Took us a while to figure that one out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
historically accurate Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Wheres Toto said: Me too. Merry rhymes with very, marry rhymes with carry, and Mary rhymes with fairy. Pour and poor are definitely the same, paw is different - no r sound in paw. Don and Dawn are different. I think Laura and Lora are just different ways to spell the same thing, so sound the same? Reminds me of people who can't tell the difference between Newark and New York. Merry, Mary, Marry are all the same (IL born & raised). They rhyme with very, carry, fairy, berry. Paw is like the first syllable in Awesome. Pour, Pore and Poor are the same, though I can make Poor sound different, but I usually don't. Don and Dawn are different. Lora rhymes with flora, but Laura is Law-ra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbutton Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Matryoshka said: If you hear Dawn/Don differently (which I don't), I think for you Laura most places would rhyme with Dawn, and Lora with Don? Although I'm still not completely clear on this. All of this is a bit of a muddle, as we all seem to overlap these sounds, but differently! This would be true for my DH, but not for me, and we both hear Don and Dawn as separate sounding names. DH is from Northern California. If you drove an hour in most any direction from my hometown, you’d hear a different accent, but yet my DH and I pronounce almost everything alike while being from opposite ends of the country. The few things he pronounces differently are subtle. Accents are fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbutton Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 1 minute ago, historically accurate said: Merry, Mary, Marry are all the same (IL born & raised). They rhyme with very, carry, Same, including the fairy and berry that got cut off. I am from north central Pennsylvania, but we had TV stations from NYC when I was really young and then some from medium sized cities in both NY and PA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
math teacher Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 Merry, Mary, and marry are all the same to me. I grew up in Arkansas. My dad pronounces far and fire the same LOL. Wire also rhymes with far. 🤣 It occurs to me that a list of homophones would look different for different parts of the country. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pawz4me Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 Born, raised and still live in NC -- Mary, marry and merry are all identical sounding words to me. Ditto fairy/ferry and pour/poor Dawn and Don are distinctly different sounds, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not_a_Number Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 You know something weird? I don't even notice when some words sound the same sometimes. I "see" words when I say them, so I can think they sound different when they don't, because the word that flashes in front of my eyes varies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAS in LA Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 Mary, merry, and marry all sound the same when I say them (rhyme with very). Raised by central PA and western VA parents and I grew up in those places. Drives me crazy when worship song writers assume that "bury" sounds like "berry". 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippymamato3 Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 Meh-ry (New England) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happi duck Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 5 hours ago, cjzimmer1 said: That's how I feel. Someone upthread said to say it with the short e sound like pet. So I'm sitting here trying to make that sound between and M and an R and I can't even make those sounds in combination. Seriously! I can't make these words sound different from each other! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matryoshka Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, cjzimmer1 said: Someone upthread said to say it with the short e sound like pet. So I'm sitting here trying to make that sound between and M and an R and I can't even make those sounds in combination. LOL So, do you say "meh" and "May" the same? For 'meh', I mean like "the soup was just kind of meh". And as to adding the 'r' sound to the end, I think our syllabification is a bit different. It's more like MEH-ree. Whereas Mary is more MARE-ee (which seems to be about how the people that conflate them pronounce all three...) I think something similar might be going on with "marry", as the 'mar' does NOT have the "AR" sound in car or far. It's like the 'a' sound in happy- which I realize is not at all the usual 'a' sound when followed by an 'r'. LOL, but a double letter does mean a short vowel! Edited December 20, 2020 by Matryoshka 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjzimmer1 Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 12 minutes ago, Matryoshka said: LOL So, do you say "meh" and "May" the same? For 'meh', I mean like "the soup was just kind of meh". No, those have very different sounds. Meh has a short e and May has a long a sound. And as to adding the 'r' sound to the end, I think our syllabification is a bit different. It's more like MEH-ree. Whereas Mary is more MARE-ee (which seems to be about how the people that conflate them pronounce all three...) I think your right about the syllabification. If I move the r sound to the second syllable I can at least get the short e sound. I would just never naturally put the r in the second syllable in those words and was trying to get the short e and r to blend and it just wasn't happening. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laura Corin Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, Wheres Toto said: Pour and poor are definitely the same, paw is different - no r sound in paw. Don and Dawn are different. I think Laura and Lora are just different ways to spell the same thing, so sound the same? The southern English accent misses off most terminal r sounds. So there's no r sound on pour or poor either. Don has a short o and eta Dawn sounds like awe. I pronounce Laura and Lora the same - using the sound in the word or. Lauren, however has the same short o sound as in box. Edited December 20, 2020 by Laura Corin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matryoshka Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 Just now, Laura Corin said: Don has a short o and Dawn has a long o. Wait. Are you saying that for you, dawn rhymes with moan and lone?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laura Corin Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, Matryoshka said: Wait. Are you saying that for you, dawn rhymes with moan and lone?? Sorry, no. I was being vague. Dawn is like awe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matryoshka Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 Just now, Laura Corin said: Sorry, no. I was being vague. Dawn is like awe. All my short O's sound just like awe... pot, dawn, don, pop, crop, plod... 😂 But long O is like moan and groan, or flow. I'm realizing we might pronounce Laura and Lora the same way for the same reason Mary/merry conflate do - where we put the syllabification and what the R does to the vowel if it blends. We say LOR-a for both, but a lot of places here your name is pronounced LAW-ra. (Here Lauren is the same too... LOR-en). Well, except Ralph - isn't he Lor-EN? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bookbard Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 Laura Corin, Poor/Paw is the same for me too. But I think Australians remove 'r's and add them in other words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bibiche Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 17 minutes ago, Matryoshka said: All my short O's sound just like awe... pot, dawn, don, pop, crop, plod... 😂 Like the guys from Car Talk!! (Would that be Cah Tawk or Cah Tok?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matryoshka Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 1 minute ago, bibiche said: Like the guys from Car Talk!! (Would that be Cah Tawk or Cah Tok?) Well, yeah, they're from here! (Except they're full-on Boston non-rhotic; I'm rhotic but apparently still have Boston vowels...) And, talk and tawk and tock all sound exactly the same, silly! So the spelling wouldn't matter... 🤣 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebcoola Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 They are all the same. So are all the various things words like fairy, carry, cherry and berry. I grew up in the PNW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean in Newcastle Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 9 hours ago, barnwife said: I've lived most of my life in the Midwest (WI, specifically). Merry/marry/Mary are all said the same. They rhyme with carry. Ditto. I grew up in Japan. 😉 My parents were from Iowa and Pennsylvania. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal_Bear Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 Am I the only one who had this scene from Princess Bride pop into their mind today? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie12345 Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 As a Carrie, born to Don and Dawn, I do ask that people *try* to pronounce people’s names as they pronounce them themselves. I’m not asking for perfection, considering my own mother no longer pronounces my name correctly, just reasonable effort. In NJ, Carrie, Karen, Sharon, Marion, marry, Larry, narrate, etc.... short a, as in apple. (Newscaster apple, not southern drawl ayupple!) Don is Don. Dawn is the epitome of NNJ/outer NY boroughs accent.... you grab your coffee, walk the dog, and answer a call to talk to Dawn. Awe awe awe awe awe awe. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulainTx Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 Merry and cherry rhyme for me too. Grew up in southeastern US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amethyst Posted December 20, 2020 Author Share Posted December 20, 2020 I used to work with someone name Merry Anne. That's how she spelled it. This is when I was living in Philadelphia. I couldn't figure out why people pronounced it just like Mary Ann. I figured they had never seen it in writing. Most of these people I worked with were from Philadelphia too. So I guess there's plenty of variation, even for those of us native Philadelphians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-rap Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 California native, currently in the Midwest... I say them all alike too. I can't even get my mouth to say them differently when I try! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wintermom Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 15 hours ago, RootAnn said: Y'all are hilarious. I went looking for someone who says them differently. I found this. Is this how you do it? These all rhyme to me. Yes, these subtle differences are what make the most sense to me. The name Mary has more of a stress on the first syllable. There are a lot of 'Mary-xxx' hyphenated names in my in-laws (Irish Catholic from NYC), and they are all MAry-xxx. (e.g., MAry-Jane, MAry-Beth, MAry-Ellen) The word 'merry' is more flat without an emphasis on either syllable. The vowel sounds are almost identical for both Mary and Merry, though. 'Married' is more of the short 'a' sound. I'm from non-Maritime Canada, so no accent except the 'normal' Canadian 'aboot' and 'eh' and 'sorry.' 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matryoshka Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 4 hours ago, Carrie12345 said: As a Carrie, born to Don and Dawn, I do ask that people *try* to pronounce people’s names as they pronounce them themselves. I’m not asking for perfection, considering my own mother no longer pronounces my name correctly, just reasonable effort. In NJ, Carrie, Karen, Sharon, Marion, marry, Larry, narrate, etc.... short a, as in apple. (Newscaster apple, not southern drawl ayupple!) Don is Don. Dawn is the epitome of NNJ/outer NY boroughs accent.... you grab your coffee, walk the dog, and answer a call to talk to Dawn. Awe awe awe awe awe awe. Lol, well exactly, except of course Don sounds just like all the rest of those! How exactly is it different? Help me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matryoshka Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 57 minutes ago, PaulainTx said: Merry and cherry rhyme for me too. Grew up in southeastern US. Well of course merry, cherry, and berry rhyme. They just all sound different from Mary and hairy and scary, which all also rhyme with each other but not the -erry words. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
historically accurate Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 4 hours ago, Carrie12345 said: As a Carrie, born to Don and Dawn, I do ask that people *try* to pronounce people’s names as they pronounce them themselves. I’m not asking for perfection, considering my own mother no longer pronounces my name correctly, just reasonable effort. In NJ, Carrie, Karen, Sharon, Marion, marry, Larry, narrate, etc.... short a, as in apple. (Newscaster apple, not southern drawl ayupple!) Don is Don. Dawn is the epitome of NNJ/outer NY boroughs accent.... you grab your coffee, walk the dog, and answer a call to talk to Dawn. Awe awe awe awe awe awe. I dated an Albert in college. He always told me his name was Albert, not Elbert. Um, I never heard a difference in his pronunciations, and he couldn't fathom that I couldn't say it the way he said it - it all sounded the same to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Florida. Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 (edited) 18 hours ago, Laura Corin said: Southern England. The e is like in 'pet' for me. This is how I pronounce it. Same as cherry. ETA: Northern New Jersey (15 min. from NYC) until the age of 13. Central Florida most of my life, including all of my adult life. Edited December 20, 2020 by Lady Florida. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie12345 Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Matryoshka said: Lol, well exactly, except of course Don sounds just like all the rest of those! How exactly is it different? Help me. This is more than any one cares, lol, but 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Florida. Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 17 hours ago, Amethyst said: At least I don’t pronounce water/wooder quite as Philadelphian as I used to. I lost my NJ accent years ago but I used to say wawter. Bascially, watch an episode of The Sopranos and you'll know how I used to sound. Florida doesn't have a true accent and after living most of my life here I now have the Florida non-accent. 17 hours ago, Wheres Toto said: So, dh grew up in South Jersey and I asked him. He says Mary and Merry the same, they both sound like Mary to me. North Jersey here, 15 minutes from NYC, and they all sound different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pen Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 https://youtu.be/_8ZNnlYvXw0 Regional pronunciations - Merry-Mary- marry an included example Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matryoshka Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Carrie12345 said: This is more than any one cares, lol, but I want to clarify that all my talk/Don/dawn/coffees, while they all sound like 'aw' do not sound like NJ/NY - either one. Their 'talk' and 'coffee' sound like twak and cwaffee to me, not tawk and cawffee... 😅. And nothing like the Philly-esque one either... My dad says 'warsh', but he's originally from Missouri... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie12345 Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Lady Florida. said: I lost my NJ accent years ago but I used to say wawter. Bascially, watch an episode of The Sopranos and you'll know how I used to sound. Florida doesn't have a true accent and after living most of my life here I now have the Florida non-accent. North Jersey here, 15 minutes from NYC, and they all sound different. Mine isn’t gone, but it’s definitely gotten toned down. Unless I’m really excited or annoyed, and then fuggetaboutit, lol. My parents and sisters have been down south for 20 years now, and it’s weird to hear them talk. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Florida. Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 6 minutes ago, Carrie12345 said: This is more than any one cares, lol, but As a NJ native who no longer sounds like one, I care. I don't have time to watch now but plan to later. There are few very specific things I say that give me away. I've taken some of those "Where are you from?" tests and most are completely wrong. Or maybe they show how Florida has picked up words and phrases from all over because so many of our people come from all over. Anyway, there was one test that pinpointed my exact city in NJ because of a phrase. I say Goosey Night for the night before Halloween (which is also my birthday - the 30th, not Halloween). That term is only used in a small geographical area of NJ apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Florida. Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Carrie12345 said: My parents and sisters have been down south for 20 years now, and it’s weird to hear them talk. Does their accent come back for a while after talking to someone in NJ? I could always tell when my mother had been on the phone with one of her sisters because she talked with her old New Jersey accent for a few hours. 😄 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matryoshka Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Pen said: https://youtu.be/_8ZNnlYvXw0 Regional pronunciations - Merry-Mary- marry an included example Now that one is useful (unlike guy at whiteboard who tries to explain but butchers it) I say it most like the announcer, the old guy from NY, and the woman from North Andover. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pen Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 (edited) For me “merry” always has a short e like in “get” sound - not an r controlled e sound like in “per”diem or “her” or Gerber or Gertrude. Though I have been around people who do use the r controlled e sound — in which case it would rhyme with Murray. “Mary” vowel sound shifts depending on where I am. Sometimes same as merry, but sometimes closer to a short a sound. Edited December 20, 2020 by Pen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean in Newcastle Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 6 hours ago, Carrie12345 said: As a Carrie, born to Don and Dawn, I do ask that people *try* to pronounce people’s names as they pronounce them themselves. I’m not asking for perfection, considering my own mother no longer pronounces my name correctly, just reasonable effort. In NJ, Carrie, Karen, Sharon, Marion, marry, Larry, narrate, etc.... short a, as in apple. (Newscaster apple, not southern drawl ayupple!) Don is Don. Dawn is the epitome of NNJ/outer NY boroughs accent.... you grab your coffee, walk the dog, and answer a call to talk to Dawn. Awe awe awe awe awe awe. I had a very rude person absolutely ream me out because I pronounced her name "Dawn", the way that I pronounce dawn and Don. I cannot pronounce it otherwise. By having a regional accent, I am not making a stand against how your name is pronounced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matryoshka Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jean in Newcastle said: I had a very rude person absolutely ream me out because I pronounced her name "Dawn", the way that I pronounce dawn and Don. I cannot pronounce it otherwise. By having a regional accent, I am not making a stand against how your name is pronounced. See, this is where I get confused. I pronounce them the same. But it seems some people pronounce 'Don' differently than I do, and others 'Dawn'. Am I at least getting one 'right'? Which one should I be changing and how? I get what I'm supposed to do to get Laura to sound 'right' in other contexts, but the whole Don/Dawn thing just confuses me mightily. Fortunately all the Dons and Dawns I know are local, so no one's been bothering me about it... 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean in Newcastle Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Matryoshka said: See, this is where I get confused. I pronounce them the same. But it seems some people pronounce 'Don' differently than I do, and others 'Dawn'. Am I at least getting one 'right'? Which one should I be changing and how? I get what I'm supposed to do to get Laura to sound 'right' in other contexts, but the whole Don/Dawn thing just confuses me mightily. Fortunately all the Dons and Dawns I know are local, so no one's been bothering me about it... 😂 The engineer who reamed me out, was from the East Coast. I live on the West Coast. Her "aw" sound required me to contort my mouth to approximate the same sound. I realize that if I grew up where she did, that it would come naturally to me. But I didn't grow up there. I had a dorm parent when I was 11 who was from the South, they pronounced my name is multiple syllables (that I had never heard before!) but I wouldn't think of requiring them to drop their Southern accent when pronouncing my name. Another friend was from the south, and none of us on the West Coast could figure out why his parents had named him "Clock". Until one day he wrote his name down and we were surprised to see that his name was "Clark"! If I had known, I would have pronounce his name "my way" because I've always been taught that mimicking someone's accent is actually a form of ridicule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheres Toto Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 37 minutes ago, Lady Florida. said: As a NJ native who no longer sounds like one, I care. I don't have time to watch now but plan to later. There are few very specific things I say that give me away. I've taken some of those "Where are you from?" tests and most are completely wrong. Or maybe they show how Florida has picked up words and phrases from all over because so many of our people come from all over. Anyway, there was one test that pinpointed my exact city in NJ because of a phrase. I say Goosey Night for the night before Halloween (which is also my birthday - the 30th, not Halloween). That term is only used in a small geographical area of NJ apparently. I've lived in Northern NJ my whole life and I've never heard Goosey Night. I'm about 30 minutes from NYC (without traffic). We call that night Mischief Night. I say don to rhyme with bonbon. Dawn definitely has the awe sound. So does coffee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie12345 Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 53 minutes ago, Lady Florida. said: As a NJ native who no longer sounds like one, I care. I don't have time to watch now but plan to later. There are few very specific things I say that give me away. I've taken some of those "Where are you from?" tests and most are completely wrong. Or maybe they show how Florida has picked up words and phrases from all over because so many of our people come from all over. Anyway, there was one test that pinpointed my exact city in NJ because of a phrase. I say Goosey Night for the night before Halloween (which is also my birthday - the 30th, not Halloween). That term is only used in a small geographical area of NJ apparently. Clifton? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amethyst Posted December 20, 2020 Author Share Posted December 20, 2020 (edited) Ok if we’re going to talk about names...I can’t stand when people pronounce my name (Karen) as CARE-in. It’s Karen. Karen. The a is like the a in bat. Edited December 20, 2020 by Amethyst 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matryoshka Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 18 minutes ago, Wheres Toto said: I say don to rhyme with bonbon. Dawn definitely has the awe sound. So does coffee. bonbon and dawndawn would sound the same, though! Someone needs to tell me what the other possible sounds are.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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