Mom in High Heels Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 This morning I was on another board (not a hs board), but another hs mom was talking about how she hs her kids, but was considering sending her kids to school so they could learn skills she couldn't teach them at home, like making friends and standing in line. :001_huh: I told dh and he said standing in line could be learned at McDonalds. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hope in God Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 I spend a lot of time trying to order my day in such a way that I don't have to spend much time standing in lines. I must have not learned my lessons well in school.:001_huh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkwynn Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 My kids mastered that at Disney. Best field trip ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heather in Neverland Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 Then apparently all of Malaysia has been homeschooled since NO ONE here understands standing in line! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GypsieFamily Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 Well, I have to say that is not such a priority on my list of things to teach! I sort of thought that was one of those things that could be naturally acquired .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennsmile Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 My kids make friends anytime we go to the park... Lines are very overrated, cutting lines is were it is at! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WishboneDawn Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 I think a lot of people give reasons like this when what they REALLY mean is, "I just don't want to homeschool." So they pull some ridiculous reason out of the air. I'd rather hear, "I just don't want to homeschool." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keptwoman Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 I think a lot of people give reasons like this when what they REALLY mean is, "I just don't want to homeschool." So they pull some ridiculous reason out of the air. I'd rather hear, "I just don't want to homeschool." Reckon I should start following you around and agreeing with you everywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WishboneDawn Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 Reckon I should start following you around and agreeing with you everywhere. You're a smart woman. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Margo out of lurking Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 considering sending her kids to school so they could learn skills she couldn't teach them at home, like making friends and standing in line. :001_huh: When I was looking at preschools for ds and asking about their philosophy, routines, etc., one of the preschools told me they prepare the kids for kindergarten by teaching them to stand in line. We didn't choose that school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamela H in Texas Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 Okay, now in this woman's defense :) First, walking in a line at some schools is an art form. I remember seeing my boys the first day of school (I had volunteer training that day so when our kids filed past the window, we peeked). I was amazed the one even *could* do that (!) and he looked so darn cute! Second, She probably has a laundry list of reasons and just spouted off a couple. How many times have I forgotten the MAIN thing I wanted to say in a conversation! I kicked myself later. Can you imagine her an hour later saying, "oh goodness, she probably thinks I came from another planet. Walk in line? Why didn't I tell her that it looks like I'm going to have to get a job because hubby is getting laid off again?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickenpatty Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 We solved that problem by having lots of kids. :lol::001_huh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlebug42 Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 I have heard this argument before. Then, my daughters started playing basketball in a K-3 league at our church. As I was watching Boo-Boo's team who was supposed to be standing in line waiting for their turn to shoot the ball, Boo-Boo was the only one standing nicely waiting her turn. She was the only homeschooler in the group. My favorite is always, "But, what about prom?". You know, I went to three proms in high school and they were just excuses to get drunk and make out/sleep with your boyfriend. I think it would be OK for my girls to miss out on that. :001_smile: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmrich Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 I had a friend who had homeschooled then put the kid in our terrible middle school. He got stabbed with a fork during lunch. She proudly told me he is learning what real life is like. I said back that I have never in my real life been stabbed by a fork during lunch. The only real place that happens is prison. She insisted it was good for character building. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mom2scouts Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 My oldest son's girlfriend is a teacher in an inner city charter school. I sometimes laugh about how much time she spends trying to get her students to stand in line so they can go to lunch or recess. We can finish an entire subject in the amount of time they spend standing in line! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amyable Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 My kids get plenty of practice standing in line - like the checkout line at the grocery where they also get a lesson in bullying from the mean checkout lady who makes nasty comments about our family size and homeschooling. :glare: Then there is always the line for the bathroom here. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chepyl Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 My kids mastered that at Disney. Best field trip ever. So, when we go, I will liat the whole trip as a school field trip. Skills acquired: standing in line :). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G5052 Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 That one is relatively minor IMHO. As a community college professor, I do see homeschooled students who don't know how to behave in class (another reason I've heard). Oh, and that takes maybe 10 minutes of time with me after class to explain it to them. Definitely not a reason to homeschool... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKS Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 That was the first thing my father mentioned when I informed him we were going to homeschool: "But how is he going to learn to stand in line?" He was kidding though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SquirrellyMama Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 That one is relatively minor IMHO. As a community college professor, I do see homeschooled students who don't know how to behave in class (another reason I've heard). Oh, and that takes maybe 10 minutes of time with me after class to explain it to them. Definitely not a reason to homeschool... I'm curious what they do in class that shows you they don't know how to behave. In school I was in classes all the time with kids who didn't know how to behave. What is the difference in the behavior from hs students and students who just don't behave? Kelly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rieshy Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 I had a friend who had homeschooled then put the kid in our terrible middle school. He got stabbed with a fork during lunch. She proudly told me he is learning what real life is like. I said back that I have never in my real life been stabbed by a fork during lunch. The only real place that happens is prison. She insisted it was good for character building. :lol::lol: I started laughing so hard that my children made me read this outloud! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawnM Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 Just smile and say, "A very important lesson to learn, yes, you should send your child to school." :tongue_smilie: I no longer have time or energy to pour into people who just don't have a firm grip on reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKL Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 LOL, in their defense, I assume she means that people have to understand waiting their turn and being considerate of the group - which is true. However, I don't think school is the only place people can possibly learn that. One round of Christmas shopping ought to do it for anyone with half a brain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angela in ohio Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 Second, She probably has a laundry list of reasons and just spouted off a couple. How many times have I forgotten the MAIN thing I wanted to say in a conversation! I kicked myself later. Can you imagine her an hour later saying, "oh goodness, she probably thinks I came from another planet. Walk in line? Why didn't I tell her that it looks like I'm going to have to get a job because hubby is getting laid off again?" Yep. I also think people use "stand in line" as a way to refer to an entire host of skills required for group participation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommymilkies Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 I think a lot of people give reasons like this when what they REALLY mean is, "I just don't want to homeschool." So they pull some ridiculous reason out of the air. I'd rather hear, "I just don't want to homeschool." :iagree: and people here don't understand standing in line to save their lives! And homeschooling here is rare. Even my kids have that one down! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjins Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 Standing line (quietly) also known as "how to handle being bored and not allowed to move. I do find that my children struggle with this, I am positive they would not like having to do it, but COULD. WE have discussed that our children do not know how to be bored. If one is done with a lesson while another is receiving one, they move on to more work, read, play, cook, take care of our pets.... anything but "sit quietly at your desk, until everyone is ready". Sure this could cause them some issues later in life, but I doubt it will! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiku Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 I seriously doubt that this mom thought kids need to go to school to stand in line. I think there are people who honestly believe that there is a whole group of social behaviors related to functioning in a group that can only be learned if reinforced constantly in a classroom setting. Tara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKL Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 WE have discussed that our children do not know how to be bored. If one is done with a lesson while another is receiving one, they move on to more work, read, play, cook, take care of our pets.... anything but "sit quietly at your desk, until everyone is ready". I was not homeschooled and I was bored in school a lot - probably most of the time. I was good at sitting quietly, though. Problem is, that led to an excessive amount of daydreaming and not listening when I actually should have listened. When I was in law school, I couldn't even keep my mind focused during the review lecture before the exams. I came out of there with a paper containing a half page of notes and all the margins and the bottom of the page covered in scribbles. My mind was in the old books section of the library down the street. I did not do well on the exams! Sure, a little time for contemplation is a good thing. But even this needs to be done in moderation! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuirkyKapers Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 My kids are learning to wait in line when they have to go to the bathroom or when we go to amusement parks. The bathroom is a great one, extra patience needed there :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarreymere Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 DH used to amuse himself by teaching 'elevator practice'. He would have the younger kids stand still and stare up at an invisible point above their heads. He insisted to them that this was a valuable skill and they would need it someday. One day we did indeed encounter an elevator......and dd (now 12) was thrilled that she knew what to do! :lol: I'm going to have to suggest to him that he teach 'standing in line' to the kids next. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iona Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 :lol: you could also add watching tennis matches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmmetler Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 Kind of like one of my friends once told me that kids needed to learn to raise their hand to be called on. Uh...my DD was doing that by age 2. Don't know where she picked it up-but she STILL does it when she wants to interrupt DH and I. And I think we've got the "Standing in line" thing down, too-after all, we do it every Sunday for Communion :). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmmetler Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 Standing line (quietly) also known as "how to handle being bored and not allowed to move. I do find that my children struggle with this, I am positive they would not like having to do it, but COULD. WE have discussed that our children do not know how to be bored. If one is done with a lesson while another is receiving one, they move on to more work, read, play, cook, take care of our pets.... anything but "sit quietly at your desk, until everyone is ready". Sure this could cause them some issues later in life, but I doubt it will! And, really, there are other experiences that come from homeschooling that teach that. For example, my DD ends up going to coordinators meetings with me for the music school. She brings a book or a notepad, sits in the back, and she's literally surprised some of my co-workers when they realize, at the end of the meeting, that she was there. I think that qualifies as "school-level" boredom practice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aubrey Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 This morning I was on another board (not a hs board), but another hs mom was talking about how she hs her kids, but was considering sending her kids to school so they could learn skills she couldn't teach them at home, like making friends and standing in line. :001_huh: I told dh and he said standing in line could be learned at McDonalds. :D She just doesn't have enough kids--I bet the Duggars know how to stand in line! ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellie Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 She insisted it was good for character building. I guess it depends on what kind of character she wants her ds to have, poor guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyhomemaker25 Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 This is so funny! I was just remembering today a conversation I had when my second child was 4. I decided not to send her to VPK and a friend of mine who runs a VPK program said, "Well, I guess that's ok. Just make sure you teach her to stand in line." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKL Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 And, really, there are other experiences that come from homeschooling that teach that. For example, my DD ends up going to coordinators meetings with me for the music school. She brings a book or a notepad, sits in the back, and she's literally surprised some of my co-workers when they realize, at the end of the meeting, that she was there. I think that qualifies as "school-level" boredom practice! Reminds me of when I took my two four-year-olds to a professional conference I was putting on in DC. They sat quietly for an hour, drawing dinosaurs, while the presenters droned on about tax credits. Most people didn't know they were there, and one guy at their table said (to someone else behind my back) that they were the best behaved four-year-olds he'd ever seen. So no, I don't think they need years in a classroom to teach them to sit patiently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKL Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 Oh, and my kid raises her hand when she wants a turn to talk. (Learned that in preschool.) It's kinda dumb when she's in the back seat and I'm driving, but hey, at least she has learned that useful skill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angela in ohio Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 Reminds me of when I took my two four-year-olds to a professional conference I was putting on in DC. They sat quietly for an hour, drawing dinosaurs, while the presenters droned on about tax credits. Most people didn't know they were there, and one guy at their table said (to someone else behind my back) that they were the best behaved four-year-olds he'd ever seen. So no, I don't think they need years in a classroom to teach them to sit patiently. Exactly. My dc learned this before they were old enough to go to school anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meriwether Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 When on an outing, my sister's kids and mine (the 7 oldest) were waiting to ride a train. The adults were talking and watching the babies. When we finally noticed the kids, we saw that they were patiently waiting in a single file line - oldest to youngest - tickets in hand. They have always been homeschooled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendi Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 I had a friend who had homeschooled then put the kid in our terrible middle school. He got stabbed with a fork during lunch. She proudly told me he is learning what real life is like. I said back that I have never in my real life been stabbed by a fork during lunch. The only real place that happens is prison. She insisted it was good for character building. :001_huh: Wendi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mom in High Heels Posted October 6, 2011 Author Share Posted October 6, 2011 She just doesn't have enough kids--I bet the Duggars know how to stand in line! ;) LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JumpedIntoTheDeepEndFirst Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 Problem solved--during school hours use only one bathroom at predetermined times. Make all family members and any guests stand in line for their turn. Just kidding, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mimm Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 I was at a local indoor pool that offers homeschool swimming classes on Tuesday mornings. The first day of the session the teachers divided everyone up in three classes. The one with the youngest class was nearest to where the moms were sitting. She stood up and said "Ok, everyone, get in a straight line!" The kids scrambled around starting a few different lines then moving to other lines. The moms sat there shaking their heads and laughing quietly. One of the women sitting near me said, "Yep, it's a homeschool class." :) I seriously doubt, after witnessing first hand the deficient line-making skills of our children, any of us was rushing out for public school registration papers. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julie Smith Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 Problem solved--during school hours use only one bathroom at predetermined times. Make all family members and any guests stand in line for their turn. Just kidding, of course. We have only one bathroom, and we sometimes have to do this. We then get to cut in line depending on need, and how 'long' you will take in the bathroom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G5052 Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 (edited) I'm curious what they do in class that shows you they don't know how to behave. In school I was in classes all the time with kids who didn't know how to behave. What is the difference in the behavior from hs students and students who just don't behave? Kelly I should have been more specific there. I have two problems with homeschool students that affect how the class runs. Not every homeschooled student of course, but I see it enough that I will call them out after class if this happens. This last semester I had two that I had to meet with, and two others that do just fine. The first is that they will actually "hog" the floor with a constant flow of comments and questions, some of which are not related to the material. They're polite about it, but I explain that I have the floor and that they should only comment if I ask for comments and only ask questions if they are on-topic. I give them some examples, and also tell them that I'm glad to meet with them at the break to discuss any non-class topics. The other issue I see is the belief that I will track them down to get assignments and will give in to excuses for late work. Again, I explain that in college you are expected to handle the due dates and that interrupting class to ask for more time because of your recent strep throat is not appropriate. So I educate them that college requires more independence, and that shifts in due dates are based on class policy, not a one-on-one choice. It isn't really a big deal to me. They are used to a more one-on-one experience, and I'm educating them on a situation where certain group behaviors are expected. My professor friends struggle with the same thing, and I've helped several figure out how to work with homeschooled students who were making the classroom situation difficult. I can't think of a situation where a non-homeschooled student was consistently off-topic in class. That's a biggie... Edited October 6, 2011 by GVA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angela in ohio Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 The first is that they will actually "hog" the floor with a constant flow of comments and questions, some of which are not related to the material. They're polite about it, but I explain that I have the floor and that they should only comment if I ask for comments and only ask questions if they are on-topic. I give them some examples, and also tell them that I'm glad to meet with them at the break to discuss any non-class topics. This is the problem I get in classes with homeschoolers. I always have several who are trying to co-teach with me, and it gets really difficult to get through material. I have taken to reminding my own dc over and over before they take outside classes, "there will be twenty other students in class with you who have an equal right to be taught; you are not special ;)." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean in Newcastle Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 Are people so dumb that they can't figure out how to handle "school culture" (which includes standing in line)? I don't mean come into what is essentially a new culture knowing immediately how to fit in, but after maybe a month to get used to it, then picking up that culture's norms? I'm assuming someone who does not have a problem which makes it hard or impossible for them to pick up social cues or at least rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pink Fairy Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 This is the problem I get in classes with homeschoolers. I always have several who are trying to co-teach with me, and it gets really difficult to get through material. I have taken to reminding my own dc over and over before they take outside classes, "there will be twenty other students in class with you who have an equal right to be taught; you are not special ;)." I've seen this with my oldest. She doesn't think she's special, she just thought she was participating. It took one mild correction from the teacher, one quick explanation by the parents after class, and now she knows. Easy peasy, shampoo squeezy! But I did feel sort of bad that I hadn't taught her this before--for some reason it never came up. :lol: Homeschool fails again! :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudoMom Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 I solved that problem by having 5 kids. They all have to line up when it's time to fix their plates at dinnertime :D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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