ChrissySC Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 Typo ... $10,591 NCES.ed.gov ... Expenditures Public elementary and secondary schools will spend about $525 billion for the 2011–12 school year. On average, the current expenditure per student is projected at $10,591 for this school year (source) , the same as actual expenditures in 2008–09 (source) . :001_huh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcconnellboys Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 If you had about 5-6 children, or students who wanted to school together, you could hire your own teacher for a small group. Or several small groups could hire teachers with specialities in different areas and switch off for different class periods.... Teachers would, in many cases, be making more money than they do now and would have fewer students so presumably be less stressed. I think students would certainly benefit.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevilla Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 If I had to pay for multiple facilities, liability insurance, textbooks, classroom supplies, teacher salaries and benefits, administrative costs, printing costs, technology costs, school nurse, social worker, ESL instruction, and bussing then I could see how $10,000 per student would be rather easy to spend. It is comparing apples and oranges IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Elf Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 It's supposed to be all that overhead. All the buildings, employees, utilities, etc. for the whole district. And then there is the hundreds of thousands of dollars given to the superintendent when the system looks good. Or is that only in Atlanta? Oh well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Mungo Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 (edited) If I had to pay for multiple facilities, liability insurance, textbooks, classroom supplies, teacher salaries and benefits, administrative costs, printing costs, technology costs, school nurse, social worker, ESL instruction, and bussing then I could see how $10,000 per student would be rather easy to spend. It is comparing apples and oranges IMO. :iagree: BUT, if I did have a budget of $31,773/year, then I would hire tutors for a couple of subjects and do more traveling. Edited September 23, 2011 by Mrs Mungo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denisemomof4 Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 we'd DEFINITELY go do some schooling on an island for the month of February. I'd just pack up my own curriculum and go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithManor Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 $10,000.00 Hmm.... Definitely a travel experience. Maybe dh would agree to a month in India with work paying all of his expenses because they would put him up in a two bedroom apartment owned by the company. We could camp out in a two bedroom no problem. Having somewhere to homeschool in the mornings and cook so we don't eat out all the time...if we might be able to squeak it out! OR - We'd complete the balcony upstairs and move all of the science equipment to a permanent abode so that the mad scientists in the house could go UP THERE and SHUT THE DOOR instead of destroying my downstairs with experiments and projects covering every flat surface. Faith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravinlunachick Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 If I had to pay for multiple facilities, liability insurance, textbooks, classroom supplies, teacher salaries and benefits, administrative costs, printing costs, technology costs, school nurse, social worker, ESL instruction, and bussing then I could see how $10,000 per student would be rather easy to spend. It is comparing apples and oranges IMO. ICAM. Don't forget to add in the extreme costs of providing services to medically fragile, developmentally disabled, autistic, deaf, and mentally and physically handicapped students that you are required by law to accept. I'm sure that kicks up the average spending quite a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excelsior! Academy Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 Travel! We would make history come alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrothead Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 Travel! We would make history come alive. :iagree:This is what I thought. Throw a math book in a suitcase and head out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbeam Jones Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 Add on a Science lab to the house! Double, maybe triple our book collection and Nook Color all around ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impish Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 Well, since it would include building fees, etc, I guess I'd go buy my acreage, since that would be a reasonable cost to be covered. Then, we'd travel for a month a year. Frankly, at over 30k a year, Wolf could semi retire, and we'd still be financially ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unsinkable Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 Is there a per pupil estimate that only include teachers' salaries and curriculum? Would that be closer to comparing apples to apples? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KristinaBreece Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 I would start taking a modest teaching salary. $100 per month. But my instinct would be to spend the money on my kids. I'm imagining the curriculum and enrichment activities I could buy for DS at $100 a month, and the amount that would be left over would be split into our building fund, and DS's 529. :001_smile: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoxcell Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 If we received that much for each of our 4 children that would be more than our current income, so my dh could quit his job and we could travel the US in an RV.;) Or else he could quit and we could both devote our days to the education of our children. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stacy in NJ Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 ICAM. Don't forget to add in the extreme costs of providing services to medically fragile, developmentally disabled, autistic, deaf, and mentally and physically handicapped students that you are required by law to accept. I'm sure that kicks up the average spending quite a bit. Those G&T programs cost money as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seraphina Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 ICAM. Don't forget to add in the extreme costs of providing services to medically fragile, developmentally disabled, autistic, deaf, and mentally and physically handicapped students that you are required by law to accept. I'm sure that kicks up the average spending quite a bit. Yes it does. I know that if I had my two special needs boys at home that $10,000 would be gone pretty quick as I would have to pay for OT, a speech therapist and social skills groups. But if I didn't have all that to pay for I would certainly travel. Experiencing the world is the way to learn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chepyl Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 We would travel, that would cover a nice educational trip overseas ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justamouse Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 (edited) With all my kids? I'd buy some wish list curric and make sure we got two incredible vacations in each year that went along with our history studies. Edited September 23, 2011 by justamouse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swellmomma Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 While I know the amount they get per student seems high I know it goes to lots of other things (out here more $$ is given to the school for every special needs coded student, but they still only give minor help to those students. even students like my son that are supposed to have a teacher's aide, they won't hire one, or if they do it is 1 aide for 5 kids as is teh case in the school ds8 was supposed to attend this year). And bussing the parents pay for. At $200 per semester per kid they have enough coming in from the parents to cover that, the school system doesn't need to. So theoretically that money is going to alot of things, administration wise, but I do not see it being spent on G&T programs (have to go to special schools for that, not available in regular ps), or special needs programs (if you want actual therapies you go to a special needs program at select schools, regular schools you are lucky to have them obey the IPP, other services are virtually non-existant) and the school gets even more funding per year for thos special needs kids. As to the question at hand, For us that would be over $30K this year, $40k next year. We would travel as a huge portion of it, buy all the cool supplemental things I want for them, buy a pottery wheel and kiln, or other specialty art supplies, IF it was being used to cover facilities, pay off this house in 2 years, then sell it and buy something slightly bigger in the next town over that I love. $30K is 3 years salary for me, so to have that to spend in 1 year for their educations would make me feel extremely wealthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hen Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 my husband works on the construction end of school stuff, as far as I understand, the buildings are not part of that $10,000 per student amount- it's a totally different account and often includes special matching grants from the State and Fed governments. Some years, in our district, the school has borrowed money from the construction funds (this includes the janitor& maintain funds) to lend to the general school funds. So no, the the $10,000 per student would not go for buildings. Oh what we could do with that much! Oh, what private schools could do with that much. There is so much waste at the ps, it makes me truly ill sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stacy in NJ Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 The ps services are sometimes not of the same quality or duration as private. Yes it does. I know that if I had my two special needs boys at home that $10,000 would be gone pretty quick as I would have to pay for OT, a speech therapist and social skills groups. But if I didn't have all that to pay for I would certainly travel. Experiencing the world is the way to learn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stacy in NJ Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 their child. We could provide a greater allowance for kids with special needs and let parents choose their local ps, a charter, a private, an online option, or homeschool. Of course, if you agree to accept funding as a homeschooler, you'd need to satisfy some testing requirement. Currently, charter schools here in NJ do a better job of educating at risk students with less money. They only receive 2/3 the funding as their local ps. Private schools also do a better job. We need to bust up the cartel that runs public education in America and offer families real choices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regentrude Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 If I had to pay for multiple facilities, liability insurance, textbooks, classroom supplies, teacher salaries and benefits, administrative costs, printing costs, technology costs, school nurse, social worker, ESL instruction, and bussing then I could see how $10,000 per student would be rather easy to spend. It is comparing apples and oranges IMO. :iagree: If I had 10k per student to pay myself a salary, save for retirement, pay my health insurance, cover the mortgage for my home, the supplies and expenses of running a school, I would need more than my two kids in my "class". If one of my students had special needs and required professional therapy, it would not even begin to cover that. Typically homeschooling mothers are subsidized by their husbands salaries.. I would NOT expect public school teachers to work for free and be supported by a spouse. The comparison is ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momma2three Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 ICAM. Don't forget to add in the extreme costs of providing services to medically fragile, developmentally disabled, autistic, deaf, and mentally and physically handicapped students that you are required by law to accept. I'm sure that kicks up the average spending quite a bit. Yes. Fully 50% of my town's education budget goes to students marked "special needs." This includes ESL, aides, tutors, therapists, and even private tuition to schools that are designed for the most high-needs students. Agree that it's an apples to oranges thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momma2three Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 my husband works on the construction end of school stuff, as far as I understand, the buildings are not part of that $10,000 per student amount- it's a totally different account and often includes special matching grants from the State and Fed governments. Some years, in our district, the school has borrowed money from the construction funds (this includes the janitor& maintain funds) to lend to the general school funds. So no, the the $10,000 per student would not go for buildings. Oh what we could do with that much! Oh, what private schools could do with that much. There is so much waste at the ps, it makes me truly ill sometimes. New buildings are funded by state and federal grants and overrides. But maintenance, heating, electricity, water, light bulbs, and everything required to keep the school standing and looking decent is part of that $10k a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jen in NY Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 I would say that IS how much I spend, if not more.... to have the privilege of being home with my children... If I had been working as a band teacher all this time, I would make much more than $30,000 per year (I have three kids), and have benefits and a pension as well. In my mind I am "spending" much more than the school would on educating my three children. Backwards logic? I dunno. But in a "cost of homeschooling" discussion, I don't want to forget about the value of my prime working years which we are foregoing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nono Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 I'd probably entertain ideas of embezzling... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aubrey Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 I'd offer a salary & health ins to the one teacher I employ, & that would be comparable to what she'd make teaching at a ps, if she didn't have to buy her own curric for ea kid. But on the up side, I'd let her pick it & not follow school-mandated curric choices. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrissySC Posted September 23, 2011 Author Share Posted September 23, 2011 If you consider what you pay for the home, books, insurance, etc. You discover that you are paying that 10,000 too. Multiply that 10k per student by how many students are in a building. Average the cost of a teacher per 18 students (we are giving a large margin of error in their favor). I found it shocking still. Perhaps the considerable cuts in their budget require administrative cuts versus teachers and supplies. I will be the first to tell you that IT is an intial cost and a cost over time, but not a significant bite of the budget. I would have a large tangible and digital library with iPads and laptops. I would higher tutors for foreign language and build a room just for school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julie Smith Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 I agree that it is comparing apples to oranges. But I do think the school system would be hit very hard if, for some strange reason all the homeschoolers suddenly decided to send there kids to public school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkacademy Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 I agree that it is comparing apples to oranges. But I do think the school system would be hit very hard if, for some strange reason all the homeschoolers suddenly decided to send there kids to public school. That is what I was thinking! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aelwydd Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 Typo ... $10,591 NCES.ed.gov ... :001_huh: Use it to pay towards private school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aelwydd Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 \Oh what we could do with that much! Oh, what private schools could do with that much. Private schools do get that much around here for tuition. Most charge far more. There are several that are 18k a year or more, per student. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibraryLover Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 (edited) Private schools do get that much around here for tuition. Most charge far more. There are several that are 18k a year or more, per student. The non -religious private schools in my area charge around 19k for kindy. More for the higher grades. Edited September 23, 2011 by LibraryLover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swellmomma Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 I would say that IS how much I spend, if not more.... to have the privilege of being home with my children... If I had been working as a band teacher all this time, I would make much more than $30,000 per year (I have three kids), and have benefits and a pension as well. In my mind I am "spending" much more than the school would on educating my three children. Backwards logic? I dunno. But in a "cost of homeschooling" discussion, I don't want to forget about the value of my prime working years which we are foregoing. See and for me homeschooling is actually doing more for my finances than working was. Even working fulltime in my field puts me at only $24000ish per year, once you subtract daycare and school fees, lunches, travel to and from school/work, etc I end up way worse off than I do staying home. So for me I don't see it the same way you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mimm Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 If you had about 5-6 children, or students who wanted to school together, you could hire your own teacher for a small group. Or several small groups could hire teachers with specialities in different areas and switch off for different class periods.... Teachers would, in many cases, be making more money than they do now and would have fewer students so presumably be less stressed. I think students would certainly benefit.... This is a really interesting idea. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FO4UR Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 :iagree:It's apples to oranges. Still, if we could deduct what goes towards the building/bussing and disperse the rest in a voucher-type system.... I'd hire a housekeeper so I can devote more time to teaching and book shopping. We'd need new bookshelves for all of the books we'd buy. Each of my dc would do 1 sport and 1 artistic activity (instrument/drawing/dance/drama lessons) each year. We'd purchase yearly passes to all of the zoo/museums in this area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jen in NY Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 Yes... it's true... when my kids were small I would have had to pay for daycare, but after they started in school, the daycare costs would have been much less. And my earning power over time has not increased as it would have if I had continued working. Now, if I wanted to get recertified and try for a teaching position, I would be starting at the bottom of the proverbial heap... back to tier 1. Would I go back and do it again? Absolutely! But when we first chose homeschooling, I didn't carefully consider the long term effects it would have on my earning power. I was strictly thinking about the present --- my daycare costs/school related expenditures/work clothes/commute vs. my salary at that time. I think about the implications to my husband's career had he been the one to stay home for a few years --- he would have gotten off the tech track and I wonder if he would have been able to get back on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennsmile Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 hmm Space Camp. Lego Robotics, private Music lessons all kiddos, and gas driving to swim team. And I would just buy everything new instead of stalking boards. Anything left over would go to educational travel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennsmile Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 Okay yes a school room makeover and ipads....thanks for the reminder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momma2three Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 The non -religious private schools in my area charge around 19k for kindy. More for the higher grades. Same here. And then they hold fundraisers that raise tens of thousands more on a single night. And parents are expected to donate on top of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QueenCat Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 And bussing the parents pay for. At $200 per semester per kid they have enough coming in from the parents to cover that, the school system doesn't need to. Not here. Parents do not pay for busing in any of the places I've lived in the U.S. Is it normal to pay in Canada? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julie Smith Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 Not here. Parents do not pay for busing in any of the places I've lived in the U.S. Is it normal to pay in Canada? Not that I know of. I live in Ontario. My SIL has a younger brother. He was sent to a school that was not on a local bus route. (I think it was a special school for some reason?). Since he was the only one in that area that needed to go to that school, the school paid for a taxi to take him to and from school everyday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My3Monkeys Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 For 3 kids, I'd use the money from the first 2 to pay the mortgage and utilities (since overhead is included in the PS figure). I'd use dc#3 money to buy curriculum, pay for their outside classes and take a cool trip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoforjoy Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 If I had to pay for multiple facilities, liability insurance, textbooks, classroom supplies, teacher salaries and benefits, administrative costs, printing costs, technology costs, school nurse, social worker, ESL instruction, and bussing then I could see how $10,000 per student would be rather easy to spend. It is comparing apples and oranges IMO. :iagree::iagree::iagree: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truscifi Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 Travel. And do some awesome science classes/kits/labs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swellmomma Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 Not here. Parents do not pay for busing in any of the places I've lived in the U.S. Is it normal to pay in Canada? I don't know about the rest of Canada but anywhere I have lived in Alberta it has been the norm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texasmama Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 I'd hire a maid.:glare: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawnM Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 Well, I would make sure my kids were on the free/included breakfast and lunch program first! :D Then I would hire someone to tutor them. I could easily spend $1000 each on curriculum, which I have always wanted to do. Travel and extended field trips would certainly be on the list....heck, I could afford to get that travel trailer I have always wanted. Dawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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