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justamouse last won the day on January 10 2013

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  1. I love this. I think some of us by instinct do the latter. I don't know what propels some to follow the former--I see it as a lack, somehow. Like teaching what you haven't read (and what you must measure), so you have to follow a hollow format. Kinda like my siggy.
  2. 'They' are the moms and families just starting out, and slogging through the weeds and using the tools they find to help direct their homeschool. I think you mistake me. I don't disagree with you at all--this past post I wholeheartedly agree with. I took one way to get there--you took another way--but we both have come to the same conclusion. I would hate to say, 'this path is bad' to a mom starting out, who's looked to that help, blog, website for help. After years, they'll get to the same place that we have. I think it just comes with time and experience. And as far as Kern is concerned--I think you're optimistic. After teaching CCD for 4 years, and sitting through a town BOE meeting last night that made me want to set my hair on fire and spit nickels-it might be an *easy* thing to change the culture--if you have the *will*. Getting people to have the will--that's a lot of work. Which is where Kern is coming from, I think. As easy as your last paragraph is, just getting someone to SEE that they need to read books, even classic books, or do things that can't be purchased (when purchasing things is such a status symbol) even going to church, or choosing CCD over 4 sports games--this is a huge paradigm change that's easy for you and me, but a Mt. Everest to many walking down the street.
  3. Baking the bread was a metaphor for re-centering life around he home. Not being consumers. We're already not using the public school system, which is completely counter cultural, and, somewhat doing (some of us more purposefully) what ElizaG talked about--building culture. It may take more than our children, but my own children already are being producers, not consumers in their own life choices, so I have hope.
  4. "If the teacher is already strongly motivated to do this sort of thing, and has some background knowledge, then it's a different situation. She might not need prepared materials, and if she chooses to use them, she'll be using them as a tool, more than as a method." I think they're trying to get there. And I don't begrudge them that.
  5. Again I totally agree. There's a very interesting conversation going on on Andrew Kern's Facebook wall that is a part of this discussion, and he only mentions it in a comment on a post. That we are hundreds of years away from truly regaining what we have lost in Western Civilization education. And how truly the first part of that regaining, is living. That we first have to make home and family the center again, and that itself is a daunting task. And perhaps not reading ALL of the books is the answer, but baking the bread is the answer. And the rest will follow, but perhaps for your grandchildren, not quite your children. We love literature at our house because I've made reading a part of our family culture. We love it because I'm careful in choosing books, and those books tell the story of what it is to be human. I'm not about to toss my library. I'm not about saying Adler is THE way, or Senior is The way, or Hicks is The way. When I read Senior (Way back, now) I remember most clearly recognizing how and why the public school education was broken. Of course, I could have read Abolition of Man and come up with the same response, but Senior was the trail I was on. I didn't read Abolition until later. Matter of fact, I don't think I was *read* for Abolition at that time, but Senior was the next step for me.
  6. Only you could make me come post. :p I don't quite disagree with you (especially on my days when I have spoken with a mom who is trying to save her child's education, and hasn't even understood yet how her own education is lacking-and she doesn't care, which is the part that sends me reeling) but I DO think that we have to be hopeful, and encouraging. Especially since most new homeschoolers have no other alternatives but to try this whole experiment out. What I can offer from my own experience, is that my own sad education had glimpses of the great. And I would say that my oldest and now graduated students got --something. Lol. I saw where I needed to go, but the wheels were wobbly, and I was busy having twins--and more babies. BUT, what they got was still better than public school, and that has proven itself. Just taking them out of the system was honestly most of the reason they were able to do well. The rest was grace. As I learned more myself, (so this is my 13th year homeschooling, and I would say about year 7) I started to finally get the wheels on. I had more books under my belt. And they were good and great books. I voraciously read the best books on education, also (which I still do). But, most parents have no idea how bad tier children's or their own education is when they start on this journey, and we need to be there to hold their hands and say no, it's not the best, but it's where you can start and that's what matters the most. (And, don't forget that so many of Senior's students became priests/religious--there was *something* there. And perhaps he was just trying to fill up the holes he saw, no? Not strike out and say THIS is the way to do it. I am willing to bet that no one was more surprised than he at the success the IHP was).
  7. I went back as far as I could editing, and I reported what I couldn't edit. I am so sorry you have to deal with this. I would post you a picture of the "Winebulance" but I had to delete that one, too. :D
  8. I think people have corrupted her philosophy already!
  9. I guess I disagree. I can't compare the formation and intellect of a zygote (which is full of potential intellect) to a child who is developing that intellect. To agree with you, I would have to agree that God himself does nothing for pleasure, and to do that I would have to change my whole perception of the character of God. Otherwise we'd have no ice cream, and twinkle lights, and bouquets of flowers just for pretty. God could have made things functional. Instead He chose to make them beautiful, just for pleasure.
  10. Yes, it did. And yet, in a hole there lived a Hobbit. It wasn't ALL modern languages and literature. There was England and long history of wee folk, and tall tales, and a deep sense of wonder and sacramentalisim. Smaug came from somewhere, as did Orcs, and how they interacted wasn't formed from language study. Did part of the world building come from that? I'm sure as he wrote an elven language. I didn't say that supererogation was BAD, nor did I take it as X is better than Y I said that this view of Montessori seemed narrow and one sided. Meaning both AND, not either or. Humble Thinker's posts has made Montessori seem dried up, and Maria herself as a dour spinster whose dried up face cracked when she smiled. And, frankly, I'd rather jump in a pile of leaves and read about unicorns than be so focused on intellect that it pushed out the sheer joy of living and leaf jumping. Or are there no happy and joyful saints, either? Are they all about work and spirituality and supererogation? I think not.
  11. I am sure many children find the botany closet fun, I know mine would, and I know I would. But I also would enjoy their playing in leaves, and have. I think people are prickly about it because through that story it would seem Montessori is saying that doing anything for pleasure is not normal, it's not to be encouraged and repeated. The story was about how she worked them OUT of play. OK, what about if we changed the analogy and talked about reading for pleasure? I can read Cicero for pleasure, and it helps form my intellect, but I also like reading novels for pleasure. They involve my imagination, and Chesterton's quote which made me mention him- “Fairy tales do not tell children the dragons exist. Children already know that dragons exist. Fairy tales tell children the dragons can be killed.†GK Chesterton It's not all about work=drudgery and play=fun. We're a homeschooling board, we're far beyond believing such simplistic things. If Tolkien (a very devout Catholic) didn't feed his imagination, there'd be no Hobbit and Lord of the Rings. ​Where does art fall into the Montessori spectrum? Theater? Singing?
  12. OK, I've been following from my e-mail, because I've always admired Montessori and wanted to learn more. I have to wonder if, say, Maria and say, GK Chesterton and Tolkien all got into the same room (all devout Catholics), what the outcome on imaginative play and jumping in leaves would be? As much as I hate to say this, I wonder if Montessori's work was unbalanced and not fulfilled--meaning, had she lived longer, would it have changed? Would she later have looked at a gaggle of children jumping in a leaf pile and perhaps laughed and enjoyed them (the leaves AND the children) as the beauty of God's creation and seen joy in nature as worthy on its own? Catholic teaching is very balanced regarding the physical, the spiritual and the intellect (St Benedict's Pray, Work, Study). They would not uphold the intellect over the spiritual or the physical. I wonder how much -if any-has been lost by secularizing her work? My questions are for the most part just my own musings, you don't have to answer them. I appreciate all of your responses in this thread, HumbleThinker. You've spent an extraordinary amount of time answering everyone.
  13. Hedge schools are my topic of fascination at this point. Thank you! Wow, that graph on your page is pretty sad.
  14. Maybe they didn't hammer anything out for under 12 because they understood that before then the children's abilities were at different levels?
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