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9 hours ago, ktgrok said:

Florida is reporting 70% vaccinated. Except the fine print 4 pages down explains that includes any vaccination status - single, double, whatever. And of course is only for 12 and up. So 70% of 12 and up having at least one vaccine is not as good as the numbers being touted make it seem. 

The actual useful number is that we are at 58% of the population fully vaccinated. No where NEAR enough for herd immunity. That said, our wave has ended, we are at about 5% positivity, hospitalizations finally dropping dramatically, so the number of people with antibodies from infection is likely high. 

The UK is at 67 percent of total population fully jabbed. We are at over 80 percent of adults.eta I just checked and Scotland is at 85 percent of over-16s double jabbed.

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2 hours ago, Arcadia said:

3,483 new cases for Singapore, population smaller than Vic. 

Oh, so sorry to hear that - it underlines that vaccination rates just aren't enough to kick this delta version.

Numbers rose a bit today for NSW (646 cases) - not surprised as there is already increased movement between LGAs. Our town is bracing for the tourist influx over the next few weeks. Trying to work out how to keep safe - we have masks, air purifiers and natural air flow at work. Will keep kids home from school for the next few weeks at least. As far as I know, the riskiest places are social meetups - we aren't doing that right now. Any other ways to keep safe that I haven't thought of? I'm really hoping kids can get vaxxed by the end of the year. 

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1 minute ago, bookbard said:

Oh, so sorry to hear that - it underlines that vaccination rates just aren't enough to kick this delta version.

Singapore is very densely populated and the govt has switched to treating Covid19 as endemic. The primary school kids were doing home based learning but would be back to school next week. The primary 3 and 5 final exams are already canceled and some parents were hoping that the current home based learning would be extended until end of the school year (19 November).

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34 minutes ago, bookbard said:

Wow, very low ICU numbers compared with Sydney or Melbourne - 37 vs 181 NSW or 115 Vic, very low death rate too. So I guess that's what an outbreak looks like with high vaccination rates. 

Some of the hospitalisation in Melbourne is because they put people who are on their 90s into hospital as soon as they have covid, even if it is very mild, because at that age it can go downhill very rapidly

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22 hours ago, Laura Corin said:

The UK is at 67 percent of total population fully jabbed. We are at over 80 percent of adults.eta I just checked and Scotland is at 85 percent of over-16s double jabbed.

Another reason to love Scotland. American men try to pretend they are all tough, macho cowboy types, but are afraid of a vaccine. The Scots are the real tough ones! 

In all seriousness, I keep hoping we can go back for an anniversary trip some day, and bring the kids. 

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9 hours ago, Ausmumof3 said:

Are the US figures accurate?  Typically when we start having forum people with exposures it’s been going up again but at this point it still seems to be decreasing? Are people testing less?

Both are true, I think. Some of the southern states that were so high before are going down, mostly because so many have had it recently I think. And becasue we are SLOWLY vaccinating more people. But yes, more people are testing at home, or not testing, especially in hard hit areas as testing can't keep up with demand. 

The New York Times info is one of my go to spots as it shows by what percent cases went up or down as well as what percent testing went up or down. It also shows hospitalizations which are a good indicator and less likely to be thrown off by lack of tests, etc. 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html

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477 cases for NSW, although testing has really dropped recently. 1,890 cases for Victoria which is very, very high. ACT has 30 - it has been so steady with numbers around that. 

Tomorrow lockdown is lifting for double-vaxxed in NSW. 90% have a single vax dose, 72% double. This is only 16 plus - it's 50 something for 12-15 and of course 0 below 12. Cannot wait for the kids vax. 

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7 hours ago, bookbard said:

477 cases for NSW, although testing has really dropped recently. 1,890 cases for Victoria which is very, very high. ACT has 30 - it has been so steady with numbers around that. 

Tomorrow lockdown is lifting for double-vaxxed in NSW. 90% have a single vax dose, 72% double. This is only 16 plus - it's 50 something for 12-15 and of course 0 below 12. Cannot wait for the kids vax. 

I’m glad it’s got so low though is suspect it will turn around once reopening happens unfortunately.  Although it’s still a fairly cautious reopening.

I was pretty shocked to read that vic plans to have 10,000 at Melbourne cup. That doesn’t seem wise.

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10 hours ago, Ausmumof3 said:

I’m glad it’s got so low though is suspect it will turn around once reopening happens unfortunately.  Although it’s still a fairly cautious reopening.

I was pretty shocked to read that vic plans to have 10,000 at Melbourne cup. That doesn’t seem wise.

I think everyone is pretty shocked

And downright furious 

It is UNBELIEVABLE 

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20 minutes ago, Melissa in Australia said:

I don't understand 

Why

Why

In the meantime time people in rural areas with not one single case are losing jobs because they cannot get vaxed before the deadline 

 

It's horrible. Everything.

I feel so anxious about sending DS off to work today that I can't get out of bed. It doesn't feel like our governments have our best interests in mind. 

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11 minutes ago, Melissa Louise said:

It's horrible. Everything.

I feel so anxious about sending DS off to work today that I can't get out of bed. It doesn't feel like our governments have our best interests in mind. 

I'm so sorry. The dread and fear are palpable. And made worse knowing others are pretending it doesn't exist. It's like every horror movie ever, in real life. As a person dealing with it here, I'm sorry. It's broken me in some ways. 

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496 cases for NSW. 1612 for Vic (lowest figure in 5 days, but may be due to weekend). 

I saw a long line of men outside a barber today which made me grin - first haircut in 6mths! Realised that's why so many men and women have been wearing caps and other hair coverings recently. I have no huge need for a haircut but my boy can't see very well under his mop - the husband will bring him along to the barber's when he's fully vaxxed in a few weeks.

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On 10/9/2021 at 7:49 AM, ktgrok said:

Both are true, I think. Some of the southern states that were so high before are going down, mostly because so many have had it recently I think. And becasue we are SLOWLY vaccinating more people. But yes, more people are testing at home, or not testing, especially in hard hit areas as testing can't keep up with demand. 

The New York Times info is one of my go to spots as it shows by what percent cases went up or down as well as what percent testing went up or down. It also shows hospitalizations which are a good indicator and less likely to be thrown off by lack of tests, etc. 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html

Locally hospitalizations are dropping precipitously.

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On 10/10/2021 at 6:43 PM, Melissa Louise said:

It's horrible. Everything.

I feel so anxious about sending DS off to work today that I can't get out of bed. It doesn't feel like our governments have our best interests in mind. 

I am so sorry. I know the feeling so well.

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26 minutes ago, melmichigan said:

While the US is going down, Michigan continues to inch up pretty steadily, although slower than previous peaks which is good. Hospitals follow pretty closely.  I think testing remains a poor indication in my area; we are at 13% positivity.

 

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Uhh, that doesn't look good...at all. Here we have more or less plateaued for now - but at higher case numbers than this time a year ago; what makes me concerned is that case just started picking up significantly around this time last year...who knows what this holiday season will bring, especially if flu and covid both take off.

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Testing faciliy access is becoming increasingly erratic here, due to reduced funding. The local council's also taken the COVID-19 data off the front page of its website (though it's still on there). Positive tests in the community are down by 20% compared to the previous fortnight, but hospitalisations are holding steady. It has been noted that in my area, the average positive case in the community is in line with the average age of people in my area, but the 209 positive tests in hospital are mostly over-60s. (We have to be a bit careful with that one, since anyone testing positive who stays in hospital for more than a few days will inevitably have multiple tests, even if COVID-19 has nothing to do with their reason for being in hospital and the infection is less trouble than whatever hospitalised them). Overall cases are holding steady at 0.7% positivity.

Deaths from COVID-19 are falling, and deaths from other causes are falling faster. Optimism is in the air and with it carelessness about biosecurity measures. I continue to use my mask whenever out of the house. There's a big flu campaign but I do not plan to vaccinate for it this year due to my bad reaction to the flu shot last year.

(Also, last time I managed to get a community test, the organiser gave me two home test kits because they'd been told to get rid of them. Note they don't use the home (antigen) test kits to do community testing; they're mostly used for people who want to find out if some illness they have is COVID or not, or to do convenient informal testing before e.g. inviting friends or family for an extended visit).

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2 hours ago, melmichigan said:

While the US is going down, Michigan continues to inch up pretty steadily, although slower than previous peaks which is good. Hospitals follow pretty closely.  I think testing remains a poor indication in my area; we are at 13% positivity.

 

Minnesota is still rising too unfortunately.  Illinois, Iowa, South Dakota are coming down.  Wisconsin is looking peaky maybe? Possibly north dakota?  Hoping that we'll peak soon here up north!  Our positivity is around 6-7% though, they've opened up more testing again.  Out state lower vax areas are driving the wave.  

I have to say, we are in a highly vaxxed bubble.  I hardly know anyone locally who has had a break through case.  My teen's activities are requiring vaccines.  We are definitely living differently than earlier waves and I'm starting to feel ok about it.,  

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We have outbreaks in 3/4 of the school districts in my county. These are small districts, often only having 60-100 students per graduating class, with 2 who have 35 or fewer seniors. They have anywhere from a low of 5 per building to a high of 23 students per building. No masks in any district, and in one of them teachers who wore masks to school were physically threatened by parents, our moron district attorney is not pressing charges, so the superintendent told them they can't wear masks to school anymore! I suspect we are going to see more teachers quitting, and every single district has no where close to the faculty and staff they need. I really don't know how this can keep going because teachers are being treated like total crap, and there are a LOT of employment options out there so they could quit. These parents don't seem to consider the consequences of their actions. And of course this is just further proof from the anti-mask crowd that this has nothing to do with "freedom" because they want to restrict the teachers' choice to wear a mask. It is all about forcing their covid is a hoax stupidity down everyone else's throats.

We leave in a few days for the mountain house in Alabama. I am looking forward to a couple of weeks of hunkering down on the mountain and completely ignoring the world.

 

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3 minutes ago, ktgrok said:

My sister with the breakthrough case is still having aphasia and tremors/ataxia. She is 3 weeks past initial infection. She will be starting physical therapy 3 times a week as well as speech therapy. 

So sorry to hear it's hit her so intensely. I am glad she's got access to therapy and hope that the early intervention makes a big difference. 

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3 hours ago, ktgrok said:

My sister with the breakthrough case is still having aphasia and tremors/ataxia. She is 3 weeks past initial infection. She will be starting physical therapy 3 times a week as well as speech therapy. 

That is so freaky. Have they seen this presentation before? Is she immune compromised or otherwise with any condition that would make her less likely to have a good immune response? I’m so sorry she is going through this 😟

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5 hours ago, KSera said:

That is so freaky. Have they seen this presentation before? Is she immune compromised or otherwise with any condition that would make her less likely to have a good immune response? I’m so sorry she is going through this 😟

No underlying issues other than some mild asthma that usually is triggered by illness. And she is overweight, gained during Covid, but also very active. She's a highschool principal at a school with several thousand students and is on her feet all day, every day, plus then on her off time is taking kids to sports events, building her own cabinetry, etc.

And yes, if you google, 1 in 3 people with Covid have neurological symptoms. Usually that's loss of taste/smell (which she also has), but also brain fog, short and long term memory issues, ataxia, and aphasia. 

The question now is how much is from inflammation (can't do steroids, it started while she was on prednisone for her lungs so don't want to do those again) or actual permanent damage from the virus. 

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Here is a quick read about a legal case against school districts in Wisconsin for lack of covid mitigation protocols. If this catches on, this could sweep the nation. My guess is school boards across America may regret allowing the ridiculous, wicked " let er rip" parents have the end say in school policy because it is not likely that a court will side with a school who went against th CDC and state health department guidelines. And if some of these kids hammered with covid disability or die, it could lead to some liability on these schools for not attempting to squelch the spread.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/11/us/wisconsin-parent-lawsuit-covid-school/index.html

The school district we are zoned for - ZERO mitigations, business as usual like nothing is going on out there and does not even tell parents when exposures happen - has eleven cases in this high school. 85% of faculty and staff vaccinated, but only 14% of the students. The school contains only 400 students. So 11 is a very worrisome number given that most parents here do not take their kids for the test if symptoms are mild. The county medical director estimates the actual cases to be closer to 70, and judging by actual absences for sick days, he is probably right. That's an actual positivity of 17.5%. That's the kind of positivity rate that gets insanely out of control very rapidly. In terms of this district, that is more than this year's entire graduating class. So classes continue despite high absenteeism. We have no head of the county health department because the right wing nut jobs that are called "county commissioners" here refuse to hire anyone with actual qualifications for the position - they drove out our previous one because she refused to say covid is a hoax and supported universal masking in public places, especially in schools, and of course vaccination - and so we are going through this ramping up of cases in the local schools with no one fit at the helm. The commissioners' current favorite choice, is a former army corpman with a bachelor's degree in biology, and a master's in business management. The state said "Hell, freaking no. This person does not have any of the required qualifications for the position, and we will pull your funding if you even try to install her in the position". This is my world. The Marx Brothers are running the county during a pandemic, and acting like tantruming toddlers with the state trying to figure out how to " spank" them.

I really hope someone with a student in this county gets a son of a bitch, evil, win at all cost attorney and manages to sue the pants off the district and these asshats in charge of the county. These scum bags don't give a crap about human life, but they sure do care about the money.

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2 hours ago, Faith-manor said:

 

I really hope someone with a student in this county gets a son of a bitch, evil, win at all cost attorney and manages to sue the pants off the district and these asshats in charge of the county. These scum bags don't give a crap about human life, but they sure do care about the money.

At this point I suspect you are right, lawsuits and the loss of, or the treat to lose, $$$$$ will be the only way, at least in the US. 

I am suffering from empathy fatigue and will refrain from posting my thoughts about punitive measures for those who refuse to take mitigation steps.

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2 minutes ago, SHP said:

At this point I suspect you are right, lawsuits and the loss of, or the treat to lose, $$$$$ will be the only way, at least in the US. 

I am suffering from empathy fatigue and will refrain from posting my thoughts about punitive measures for those who refuse to take mitigation steps.

I totally understand empathy fatigue!

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5 hours ago, SHP said:

I am suffering from empathy fatigue and will refrain from posting my thoughts about punitive measures for those who refuse to take mitigation steps.

Empathy fatigue, that is a very nice way of saying it.

@ktgrok I'm sorry they can't use steroids.  IV Pulse steroids have been a miracle for me in my post vaccine treatment. They saturate the brain and spinal cord and then are out of my system without all the side effects of daily dosing.  I hope it's just inflammation and will improve with enough time. 

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Ok, so ventilation audit/advice for schools here came out.

No CO2 monitors to be used routinely. A small trial of monitors to be run. 

There will be some emergency HEPA air filters for use by schools when weather is bad. In the future - not yet purchased. 

Advice is windows open. Based on a large classroom with 24 students and one adult. In our school, only kindergarten is under 24 students. Normally at least 2 adults, sometimes 3 in the room. 

Sounds like density limits will apply to staff rooms and offices only. 

 

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