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12 minutes ago, Melissa Louise said:

Serious side effects are extremely rare. I forget what the rates are - much less than the same risk of blood clotting due to Covid.

There was an article a little while ago talking about how we're doing better than the UK in dealing with severe AZ-related side effects, mostly just to do with patient and health care education. People come in earlier with headache/abdominal pain; potential complications recognized/treated earlier. 

Reports, though, have probably dropped off due to greater use of Pfizer. People definitely have died as a result of their AZ vaccination. 

Don’t want to give the impression that I don’t believe there are serious effects, that are rare. Maybe it is the use of Pfizer which has changed things there. It was interesting to note that there had not been any comments recently, and that seemed interesting since so many vaccinations were being given. I hope that the people who believe that thousands are dying from the mRNA vaccines, might be able to look at another country and maybe begin to question that. 

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13 minutes ago, Melissa in Australia said:

My brother had blood clots from Astra zennica. 3 days after his second dose. He was hospitalised twice and given anti coagalents introvinously. 

I remember he had problems but hadn’t realized he was hospitalized. I hope he’s better now.

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2 minutes ago, TCB said:

I remember he had problems but hadn’t realized he was hospitalized. I hope he’s better now.

 Thank you. He is better now. 

 But his blood clots were not recorded in the national data as a reaction to the vaccine, which really has caused great levels if concern amongst extended family and a great deal of vaccine hesitancy. As it seems that information is not being reported accurately. 

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4 minutes ago, TCB said:

Don’t want to give the impression that I don’t believe there are serious effects, that are rare. Maybe it is the use of Pfizer which has changed things there. It was interesting to note that there had not been any comments recently, and that seemed interesting since so many vaccinations were being given. I hope that the people who believe that thousands are dying from the mRNA vaccines, might be able to look at another country and maybe begin to question that. 

There are fewer AZ deaths over the last little while, for sure. Likely to be because of increased use of Pfizer + better treatment of AZ-illness.

Lots and lots of Pfizer in Sydney - no reports of deaths or even hospitalizations. 

The most common complaint is from women re change in periods (early/late/longer) and being told by GPs it's all in their heads or because if 'stress'. 

 

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50 minutes ago, Melissa in Australia said:

My brother had blood clots from Astra zennica. 3 days after his second dose. He was hospitalised twice and given anti coagalents introvinously. 

How is he doing now? Sorry just realised you already answered that down thread. There is a phone number you can call to record your post vaccine stuff i think I’ll see if I can find it.  I enrolled my kids to do a follow up survey at 3 10 and 30 days so that’s been good.

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AEFIs can be reported via the SAEFVIC website 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. 

Alternatively, you can call SAEFVIC on 1300 882 924 (Option 1). Hours of operation are Monday - Friday 9.00am - 4.00pm.

For further information about SAEFVIC please refer to Melbourne vaccination education centre - SAEFVIC.
 

@Melissa in Australia

https://www2.health.vic.gov.au/public-health/immunisation/adverse-events-following-immunisation-reporting
 

I would definitely encourage him to report here as we want the best possible data on vaccine safety.

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1 hour ago, TCB said:

I was wondering if those of you from Australia and New Zealand could comment on if there are reports of serious side effects etc from the vaccines now that your countries are vaccinating so many people so quickly. In the initial stages of the vaccination program in Australia some of you seemed to be reporting a possible vaccine related death quite frequently, but I had not seen that for a while.

I believe the vaccines to be very safe from what I’ve read, and seen myself, but of course the rumors swirl around on social media, and I talk to vaccine hesitant people who believe them. I suggested to a couple of people at work, that if they wanted to know the truth, they should keep up with how things are going in New Zealand, as they are vaccinating so many.

I think the mRNA vaccines are available to all age groups now. The issue was with the adenovirus ones.  Having said that the media has had a bit of flak for supposedly “beating up vaccine deaths” causing hesitancy.  I don’t really think that’s true of the ABC at least - maybe commercial media, I think reporting info as it comes in is better for trust but maybe there’s less going on now.

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https://www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-safety-report-19-08-2021
 

TGA report here. 8 reports of likely TTS in the last week.  A total of 112 for 8.1 million doses. There are 7 deaths that have definitely been confirmed as linked to the vaccines.

 Full data set available here

https://www.tga.gov.au/database-adverse-event-notifications-daen

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41 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:

AEFIs can be reported via the SAEFVIC website 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. 

Alternatively, you can call SAEFVIC on 1300 882 924 (Option 1). Hours of operation are Monday - Friday 9.00am - 4.00pm.

For further information about SAEFVIC please refer to Melbourne vaccination education centre - SAEFVIC.
 

@Melissa in Australia

https://www2.health.vic.gov.au/public-health/immunisation/adverse-events-following-immunisation-reporting
 

I would definitely encourage him to report here as we want the best possible data on vaccine safety.

Thank you. I will pass that on to my brother. Greatly appreciated

 

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State of Affairs: Oct 17 - by Katelyn Jetelina - Your Local Epidemiologist (substack.com)

The Delta wave continues to decrease in the United States. Cases have now declined 51% since its peak and now we’re averaging 86,000 daily cases. This is a welcome reprieve, but 86,000 per day is still a lot. In fact, higher than the peaks in Wave 1 and 2.

If we let our guard down too quickly, the United States could easily mirror the UK. The UK peaked on September 9 but after two weeks of decreasing, the UK reversed course. Cases are now exponentially increasing while the rest of Europe is fairing very well.

In September, 49,500 deaths could have been prevented with a vaccine.

COVID19 continues to be a top 10 leading cause of death across all age groups. Yes, that includes 1-17 year olds. In fact, it’s the #1 cause of death for 35-54 years olds in August and September 2021.

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2 hours ago, Melissa in Australia said:

 Thank you. He is better now. 

 But his blood clots were not recorded in the national data as a reaction to the vaccine, which really has caused great levels if concern amongst extended family and a great deal of vaccine hesitancy. As it seems that information is not being reported accurately. 

That is unfortunate. This should have been reported.

I got together with three neighbor couples last night. Hadn't seen any of them since pre Covid. 3 out of 6 vaxxed have had breakthrough cases. One of the women, a hematologist (very pro vaccine) is on bp meds for life now, she says due to the vaccine. Her sister has afib from getting the vaccine. No idea if these are confirmed by docs or self confirmed. She is still pro vaxx. Another neighbor relayed that her teen nephew died in his sleep. Natural causes. She didn't draw any connections to his vaccination, but I sure wondered. My daughter's friend (and boyfriend of her roomie) died of a heart attack last week at school. Natural causes. I wonder if any of these are being reported. Just a lot of vaxx related issues I'm hearing about recently. 

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2 hours ago, Melissa Louise said:

There are fewer AZ deaths over the last little while, for sure. Likely to be because of increased use of Pfizer + better treatment of AZ-illness.

Lots and lots of Pfizer in Sydney - no reports of deaths or even hospitalizations. 

The most common complaint is from women re change in periods (early/late/longer) and being told by GPs it's all in their heads or because if 'stress'. 

 

This is such a common reporting (and there's currently a study being conducted on it) that i'm surprised their GPs are not aware of it!

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14 minutes ago, whitestavern said:

Just a lot of vaxx related issues I'm hearing about recently. 

What makes you say these are facts related when none of them have been connected to the vaccine? If anything, the likelihood is far greater that someone died in their sleep due to Covid than from the vaccine. I don’t know why the first thought that you would have would be that he died in his sleep through the vaccine. 
 

eta: for the lady who has a fib after having had a Covid infection, it appears there is a link between having Covid and developing a fib: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33078484/

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4 minutes ago, KSera said:

What makes you say these are facts related when none of them have been connected to the vaccine? If anything, the likelihood is far greater that someone died in their sleep due to Covid than from the vaccine. I don’t know why the first thought that you would have would be that he died in his sleep through the vaccine. 

Ummm  because the woman and her sister who had issues, she told me were vaxx related. The nephew of my friend was not diagnosed with covid, nor was my D's friend. 

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19 minutes ago, whitestavern said:

No idea if these are confirmed by docs or self confirmed

 

6 minutes ago, whitestavern said:

Ummm  because the woman and her sister who had issues, she told me were vaxx related. The woman with the nephew who died was not diagnosed with covid, nor was my D's friend. 

The above is why I asked. And with the nephew; you said they didn’t mention Covid at all, so I wondered why you would jump to that. Just seemed like a weird jump to make based on nothing. 
 

eta: The reason why I’m making a point on this is because I think a lot of what is happening right now is people read things like that and then they report to someone else that someone they know knows two young people who died of the Covid vaccine and two who developed heart problems. When actually, none of that is known at all. And then a game of telephone ensues and the misinformation spreads and grows.

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1 hour ago, KSera said:

 

The above is why I asked. And with the nephew; you said they didn’t mention Covid at all, so I wondered why you would jump to that. Just seemed like a weird jump to make based on nothing. 
 

eta: The reason why I’m making a point on this is because I think a lot of what is happening right now is people read things like that and then they report to someone else that someone they know knows two young people who died of the Covid vaccine and two who developed heart problems. When actually, none of that is known at all. And then a game of telephone ensues and the misinformation spreads and grows.

Possably, but the strange thing is that things like exactly whitestaven are saying are happening. I don't know many people. My brother had a blood clot directly related to astra zennica, my next door neighbours brother  died within 12 hours of being vaxed of a heart attack. Not recorded as a result of vax but it makes unease in your mind

Not someone who told me of someone they heard about, but people that I am either directly related to or whom I have actually met. 

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6 minutes ago, Melissa in Australia said:

Possably, but the strange thing is that things like exactly whitestaven are saying are happening. I don't know many people. My brother had a blood clot directly related to astra zennica, my next door neighbours brother  died within 12 hours of being vaxed of a heart attack. Not recorded as a result of vax but it makes unease in your mind

Not someone who told me of someone they heard about, but people that I am either directly related to or whom I have actually met. 

Yes, I remember your brother's blood clot clearly, and those things do occasionally happen unfortunately, but that's different from the second hand reports of unverified information. I've noticed a very strong correlation that it's almost always anti-vax people that have all these stories, and people who are vaccinated very rarely do. It's uncanny enough to notice. The vaccinated people who know someone who had a bad reaction usually know of one case and it is a verified thing, not a list of a bunch of people they think died after the vaccine. It just doesn't match up with the real world to think that there are all these people dying of the vaccine yet no one is recording it. The insinuation would have to be that doctors don't care and wouldn't report it if this were happening, which is a really crappy thing to suggest about doctors (and the medical examiner or coroner would have to be going along with it as well). Nurses would be seeing it as well. So, it does leave one scratching their head.

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26 minutes ago, KSera said:

Yes, I remember your brother's blood clot clearly, and those things do occasionally happen unfortunately, but that's different from the second hand reports of unverified information. I've noticed a very strong correlation that it's almost always anti-vax people that have all these stories, and people who are vaccinated very rarely do. It's uncanny enough to notice. The vaccinated people who know someone who had a bad reaction usually know of one case and it is a verified thing, not a list of a bunch of people they think died after the vaccine. It just doesn't match up with the real world to think that there are all these people dying of the vaccine yet no one is recording it. The insinuation would have to be that doctors don't care and wouldn't report it if this were happening, which is a really crappy thing to suggest about doctors (and the medical examiner or coroner would have to be going along with it as well). Nurses would be seeing it as well. So, it does leave one scratching their head.

The whole thing is pretty disheartening. I don’t even know what to say, but truth is very hard to come by these days. I work in a hospital. I would have thought that if so many vaccination deaths were occurring then I would have seen at least some there. I’m fairly certain that if there were serious frequent issues New Zealand would be seeing lots of it as they’ve vaccinated so many. It’s ironic really but the same people I know who said that many deaths were being wrongfully labeled as Covid, are now saying they’re vaccine deaths. All I can bear witness to is that I have seen many people actually die of Covid and I don’t think I’ve seen anyone die from vaccination.

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The issues are:

1) there are different vaccines  Astra Zeneca is very different from Pfizer or Moderna for example.  Their risk profiles are different.  If someone is telling people who had Pfizer to watch out for issues that are primarily from A-Z, then that's an issue. 

2.)  you can get the vaccine and already have Covid and perhaps you might not even know it.  Problems that happen within that two weeks window when the vaccine is reaching maximum efficacy are difficult to pinpoint as to cause.  It could be the vaccine.  It could be the virus.  It could be something else.  (This isn't denying issues, it's just recognizing that the cause-effect isn't simple.)

 

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1 hour ago, TCB said:

The whole thing is pretty disheartening. I don’t even know what to say, but truth is very hard to come by these days. I work in a hospital. I would have thought that if so many vaccination deaths were occurring then I would have seen at least some there. I’m fairly certain that if there were serious frequent issues New Zealand would be seeing lots of it as they’ve vaccinated so many. It’s ironic really but the same people I know who said that many deaths were being wrongfully labeled as Covid, are now saying they’re vaccine deaths. All I can bear witness to is that I have seen many people actually die of Covid and I don’t think I’ve seen anyone die from vaccination.

I think the issue is differentiating signal from noise.  When a large fraction of the population is getting the same vaccine all in a short time period, of course a proportion of people are going to have medical events shortly after their vaccine just by chance - the question is would these people have had these medical events anyway (correlation) or were these medical events because of the vaccine (causation).  Individual cases are impossible to know if the vaccine was causal or not.  Lots of noise.  Looking at reports of suspected vaccine related events on a population basis is helpful., because we can look at rates of various events and compare them to background rates  - and sort the signal from the noise.  Blood clots and AZ, myocarditis and mRNA covid vaccines, shingles, allergic reactions, and  lymphadenopathy all have clear signal suggesting causality when looked at in populations.  Hypertension and A.-fib don't, to the best of my knowledge.

My experience mirrors TCB's.  The stories that make adverse events post-vax seem frequent don't match what we're seeing in ED's.  Very, very few adverse events.  I haven't seen single serious one.  I'm in city of more than a hundred thousand, with only one hospital.  If serious adverse events were common, we should be seeing them.  And we just aren't

What we have been seeing is very sick covid cases.  We've admitted hundreds of those.

 

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Also - transient effects from the vaccine are different from long-term problems.  Most of the issues people have told me about are transient effects.  They might last days or a week, but then then settle down.  Some of these effects are similar to the kinds of effects that you can get from any vaccine, not just the Covid vaccines.  I went into an autoimmune flare after my Covid vaccines but I go into an autoimmune flare after any vaccine. 

But those few long-term problems are worrisome to me.  But since Covid has the same potential for long-term problems, or worse, it's still a better bet to get the vaccine, in my opinion. 

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265 new covid cases for NSW, 1903 for Victoria, so both down a bit (but again could be due to the weekend). Tasmania lifting lockdown tonight - no spread detected there. 

School back for some today - my friend's son was the only child sent to her school wearing a mask. Didn't stay on long as you can imagine. 

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9 hours ago, Melissa in Australia said:

Possably, but the strange thing is that things like exactly whitestaven are saying are happening. I don't know many people. My brother had a blood clot directly related to astra zennica, my next door neighbours brother  died within 12 hours of being vaxed of a heart attack. Not recorded as a result of vax but it makes unease in your mind

Not someone who told me of someone they heard about, but people that I am either directly related to or whom I have actually met. 

Not sure how old your brother is, but Finland's health authorities announced that men under 30 will not get the Moderna shot. Sweden banned Moderna for everyone under the age of 30; Denmark did the same for people under 18. Norway is urging people under 30 to choose Pfizer rather than Moderna. Iceland halted all distribution of Moderna. England, Norway, and Hong Kong are limiting teens to only one dose. Someone on here posted similar about their Canadian province. US has delayed its decision on Moderna in teens. There's no consensus on what is safest, but there are clearly some concerns with vaccines for teens/youngish adults.

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7 hours ago, wathe said:

What we have been seeing is very sick covid cases.  We've admitted hundreds of those.

And of course, there are fewer people getting COVID at once than there are people getting vaxxed at once. So not only do you have a SMALLER group of COVID patients overall, but you have many more negative effects. 

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22 minutes ago, Not_a_Number said:

And it's a breakthrough case. Ugh. 

Unfortunately it is looking more and more like those over 80 just don't have great response to the vaccine (or likely a lot of vaccines, for that matter). And of course, at that age are more likely to already lung or cardiovascular issues - a lot of people that age grew up smoking a pack a day and have COPD, etc. 

The best way to protect those people is going to be to have everyone else vaccinated too. And boostered, as appropriate. 

Do we know if Colin Powell was boostered?

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2 hours ago, whitestavern said:

Not sure how old your brother is, but Finland's health authorities announced that men under 30 will not get the Moderna shot. Sweden banned Moderna for everyone under the age of 30; Denmark did the same for people under 18. Norway is urging people under 30 to choose Pfizer rather than Moderna. Iceland halted all distribution of Moderna. England, Norway, and Hong Kong are limiting teens to only one dose. Someone on here posted similar about their Canadian province. US has delayed its decision on Moderna in teens. There's no consensus on what is safest, but there are clearly some concerns with vaccines for teens/youngish adults.

We aren't using Moderna under 25 here, because of the the demonstrated increased myocarditis risk -  out of "an abundance of caution".  The risk with Moderna is still way lower than the risk of myocarditis with covid, but higher than with Pfizer.  And we have plenty of Pfizer, so the recommendation makes sense.  If we didn't have any Pfizer, and had only Moderna, I am certain that we'ed still be using Moderna for under 25's.  It's still a safe vaccine,  but we are fortunate to be able to be choosy and choose between degrees of safe - choosing between very small risk and slightly smaller risk.

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1 hour ago, Insertcreativenamehere said:

From NBC:

I have no idea if this condition made Covid complications more likely but it couldn't have helped. 

It's one of the types of blood cancer that's well known to cause people to not have a good immune response to the vaccines. Definitely a case where, more likely than not, he was "failed" by someone around him NOT being vaccinated.

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Latvia, of all places, now has the highest rate of new Covid cases in the world. They're shutting down schools and entertainment for a month, and having a curfew, until their vax rates increase. 

UK in a bad way with over 300,000 cases in the last week, and I guess winter cold isn't far off . . . plus I read that they're only doing 1 shot of vaccine for 12-16yr olds, so it's spreading through schools like crazy, and the uptake for that age is very very low.

And in more cheerful news, there was this funny tweet yday from the Northern Territory in Australia (it's not a state, I don't really understand why, but basically it's a state lol). 

 

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13 minutes ago, bookbard said:

And in more cheerful news, there was this funny tweet yday from the Northern Territory in Australia (it's not a state, I don't really understand why, but basically it's a state lol). 

lol. We were just studying Australia last week, and I wouldn't have known what you meant by this before last week, but now I do. Yay for the You Tube video we watched about the states and territories of Australia!

15 minutes ago, bookbard said:

I read that they're only doing 1 shot of vaccine for 12-16yr olds, so it's spreading through schools like crazy

I read an Australian tweet a few days ago in a similar vein that really struck me, but I can't seem to find it any more. It had to do with the disturbingness of pediatricians trying to soothe parents that it was fine for their unvaccinated kids to get infected because the virus only has a 2% hospitalization rate in kids. With a focus once again on the fact that people don't have a grasp on numbers and what it would mean for 2% of kids to be hospitalized.

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7 minutes ago, KSera said:

It had to do with the disturbingness of pediatricians trying to soothe parents that it was fine for their unvaccinated kids to get infected because the virus only has a 2% hospitalization rate in kids. With a focus once again on the fact that people don't have a grasp on numbers and what it would mean for 2% of kids to be hospitalized

I think I saw that too! Cannot wait until we can get the vax for kids here. But you know, there's still the constant narrative 'kids don't get it' or 'kids don't get sick'.

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Back at school today (I'm only planning on going this week). Will be interesting to see how things are being managed. 

I've heard from other teachers/staff that even open windows aren't happening a lot of the time due to rain/wind/noise. 

Got my P2 mask on. I'm expecting minimal mask use among students. I'll be surprised if it's more than one or two in each class. 

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On 10/18/2021 at 1:34 PM, whitestavern said:

Not sure how old your brother is, but Finland's health authorities announced that men under 30 will not get the Moderna shot. Sweden banned Moderna for everyone under the age of 30; Denmark did the same for people under 18. Norway is urging people under 30 to choose Pfizer rather than Moderna. Iceland halted all distribution of Moderna. England, Norway, and Hong Kong are limiting teens to only one dose. Someone on here posted similar about their Canadian province. US has delayed its decision on Moderna in teens. There's no consensus on what is safest, but there are clearly some concerns with vaccines for teens/youngish adults.

In fairness, England's limiting most young teens (those under 16) to one dose of Pfizer specifically. They're not allowed any other vaccine - not Moderna, but also not OxfordAstrazeneca or J&J. The other types of vaccine haven't completed testing in this age group under UK protocols yet. Given the great enthusiasm to get as many teens as possible vaccinated (in some parts of the country, 10% of 12-year-olds already have their dose, and England's so early into this that some other areas haven't got supplies yet!), it's not clear if any other manufacturer will get round to presenting the necessary safety data in time to be part of the school vaccination programme for this age group. (OxfordAstrazeneca's trying to get their vaccine approved for 5-11-year-olds, so there's no guarantee Pfizer will get a similar monopoly on the next age group down).

16 year olds can have 1 dose of either mRNA vaccine.

People who are 17+ can have any approved vaccine (including J&J) in the usual adult course (with dose 2 timed for when the recipient turns 18), although under-30s don't get OxfordAstrazeneca unless their doctor specifically says so (typically because they've had a bad reaction to an mRNA vaccine that was isolated to an ingredient OxfordAstrazeneca doesn't use). The same applies to anyone who is 12+ and either lives with someone who is immunocompromised (whether they themselves are or not) or have a condition that increases the risk of severe illness from COVID-19 such as immunocompromise, Down's Syndrome or cerebal palsy. So for example, a 12-year-old who is immunocompromised can get a full course of any vaccine except (usually) OxfordAstrazeneca. It's all to do with risk and benefit balances.

England's getting a massive amount of spread in secondary schools, but a big factor there is that social distancing and masks have been rendered optional in law. Which due to various practical issues (notably cramped school buildings) and a certain amount of stubborn-mindedness, means neither is particularly common at this point. (On the other hand, students who want to mask have their right to do so protected and schools still require non-medically-exempt teachers and staff to use masks any time they are not teaching or drinking/eating on school premises).

 

1 hour ago, bookbard said:

Interesting article about the flu: How Bad Will Flu Season Be This Winter? We Have a Choice - The Atlantic 

In Australia as well as the US, the flu dwindled to basically nothing, the last 2 years. This article is suggesting that we should try not to accept high flu numbers again.

The UK is betting on high flu numbers, at least for planning purposes. I wouldn't have said its hospitals were in much position to handle any sort of surge because the staff are now rushing through waiting lists as fast as possible before an anticipated surge of Delta Plus (this is another part of the reason the UK's COVID case counts are so bad this month. If it's any comfort, Delta Plus doesn't appear to induce more illness once caught than Delta, despite being more apt to spread).

My local hospital is no longer requiring patients to isolate for 3 days before scheduled appointments. It is instead testing on site and triaging only if an immediate positive result occurs. The standard advice to stay away and reschedule elective stuff if one has COVID symptoms applies. This brings it into line with Accident and Emergency (which for obvious reasons couldn't tell people requiring urgent treatment to go home for 3 days before receiving medical attention!) For anyone wondering, this is a particularly bad time to go to Accident & Emergency anyway. At least 1/4 of patients are having to wait over 4 hours for triage, and then typically several hours more waiting on a trolley while waiting for a bed if the triage nurse decides other urgent people need a bed more urgently than you do. Everyone in my family is reminding each other to be very careful. (In case you're wondering, this is down to a combination of people going back to work, with associated increase in traffic accidents and occupational injuries, and people finally going to hospital with things they probably should have gone to hospital for at some point over the summer. The latter is increased especially by people who cannot use the phone or internet methods for getting a GP's/doctor's office appointment, and whose condition eventually deteriorated to the point where A&E was the only option).

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So, I thought local covid numbers were doing weird things, and now I've found out why - NSW Health keeps changing the rules about how long you're infectious for. Started off as 28 days, then a sudden change to 10 days (when 13,000 cases suddenly disappeared) and now changed to 14 days. I would've thought it was when you no longer tested positive, which would be different for different people, rather than a blanket number. A bit dodgy!

In other local covid news, the age group with the highest covid rate is now 0-9yr olds, which is sad, but makes sense - no vaccines. Next highest is 10-19yr olds. 58 schools have had to close in NSW since term began due to covid. My friend's kid has been back two days and had to get a covid test today due to cold symptoms - his little friend at school came with a runny nose and no mask. Crazy times. 

Numbers remaining low with 283 new cases in NSW, 1841 for Vic and 24 for ACT. Sounds like boosters may happen this year for some. 

 

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https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russias-putin-approves-nationwide-one-week-workplace-shutdown-oct-30-2021-10-20/?taid=6170178a7778c400018e9c99&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter
 

Russia is going into a week long lockdown to try and being case numbers down.  I must admit it has me worried they have a new variant unless they’re only getting hit by delta now?  Or maybe it’s the vaccines wearing off?

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4 hours ago, bookbard said:

So, I thought local covid numbers were doing weird things, and now I've found out why - NSW Health keeps changing the rules about how long you're infectious for. Started off as 28 days, then a sudden change to 10 days (when 13,000 cases suddenly disappeared) and now changed to 14 days. I would've thought it was when you no longer tested positive, which would be different for different people, rather than a blanket number. A bit dodgy!

In other local covid news, the age group with the highest covid rate is now 0-9yr olds, which is sad, but makes sense - no vaccines. Next highest is 10-19yr olds. 58 schools have had to close in NSW since term began due to covid. My friend's kid has been back two days and had to get a covid test today due to cold symptoms - his little friend at school came with a runny nose and no mask. Crazy times. 

Numbers remaining low with 283 new cases in NSW, 1841 for Vic and 24 for ACT. Sounds like boosters may happen this year for some. 

 

I'm in the US and our public health told us 10 days.  They even said you may still test positive at that point but they don't consider you to be contagious and you are free to return to the community.  My one DS is essential worker and they have everyone who has been exposed test daily.  DS was still showing positive at 12 days out (with no remaining symptoms) so his employer sent him home even though Public Health said he could return. I was kind of surprised at Public Health's response but they said some people could test positive for a month or longer but it was due to shedding but they were broken? enough that it couldn't transmit (not sure I got the terms correct but that was the gist of what I thought they were trying to say).

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