butterflymommy Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/10-old-girl-gives-birth-daughter-173120876--abc-news-health.html Apart from the shocking nature of her age, what caught my eye in this article is that her early pregnancy was attributed to the global(?) trend of early onset puberty. I'm curious what others think is causing this trend? I assume as an indigenous person she had less exposure to pollutants and dietary growth hormones than a typical westerner, which puzzles me even more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susankenny Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Whoa.:svengo: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrothead Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Her early pregnancy was caused by the sick b@stard that r@ped/s3xu@ly abused a child. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whereneverever Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Wow, ten is so little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakia Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Her early pregnancy was caused by the sick b@stard that r@ped/s3xu@ly abused a child. This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theYoungerMrsWarde Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/10-old-girl-gives-birth-daughter-173120876--abc-news-health.html Apart from the shocking nature of her age, what caught my eye in this article is that her early pregnancy was attributed to the global(?) trend of early onset puberty. I'm curious what others think is causing this trend? I assume as an indigenous person she had less exposure to pollutants and dietary growth hormones than a typical westerner, which puzzles me even more. I wondered the same thing when I read that. :confused: I hope someone on here has a good answer/theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momma2three Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Her early pregnancy was caused by the sick b@stard that r@ped/s3xu@ly abused a child. This. The youngest mother on record was a 5 year old, and that happened in the 1930s. Yes, the average age of first menses has been falling for the past 120 years, though no one really knows why. And, yes, precocious puberty is a real issue that has has always affected some girls. But neither of those things are really the issue here. The issue is what Parrothead said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justamouse Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Her early pregnancy was caused by the sick b@stard that r@ped/s3xu@ly abused a child. :iagree: Even if she DID go into puberty early, she couldn't have gotten pregnant without that *&%$#@! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aelwydd Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/10-old-girl-gives-birth-daughter-173120876--abc-news-health.html Apart from the shocking nature of her age, what caught my eye in this article is that her early pregnancy was attributed to the global(?) trend of early onset puberty. I'm curious what others think is causing this trend? I assume as an indigenous person she had less exposure to pollutants and dietary growth hormones than a typical westerner, which puzzles me even more. Pollutants don't just stay within the borders of a country or a jurisdiction. Hormones are no different. Plastics are a huge contributor to synthetic estrogens in the environment, and Columbia has its plastics producers. Also, I agree with Parrot, that the ultimate cause isn't early puberty, it's the SOB who raped her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butterflymommy Posted April 9, 2012 Author Share Posted April 9, 2012 I wonder if her pregnancy was viewed within her tribe as rape or if she was a child bride? I've read quite a bit on indigenous South American tribes and I think once the girl has a period she's considered marriageable. If girls are having periods at younger and younger ages then I hope this custom is amended! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKL Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 My cousin who is 44 started her period at age 9. So I'm not sure this girl just doesn't happen to be at the low end of the range of natural fertility. That said, since developing countries do produce export crops, it is entirely possible if not likely that she was exposed to non-natural stuff that affected her that way. I know a rich Indian guy who admitted that hardly any of the produce on his farms could be considered "organic" because their goal is to maximize production. The technology to do so is available worldwide to those with money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiguirre Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 I assume as an indigenous person she had less exposure to pollutants and dietary growth hormones than a typical westerner, which puzzles me even more. She's from La Guajira which is on the coast close to Lake Maracaibo (which is heavily drilled for oil). And, of course, Chucki is right!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancer67 Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 I had a very close friend who got pregnant in 5th grade. (I am 44). She was obviously pulled from school, and she gave birth to the baby by C-Section and never returned. The family moved away. So, it happens here as well, and it happened back in the 70's. But, agreeing about the sick b*stard part. I actually ran into this friend of mine a few years back. She brought it up briefly, and then mentioned it was way to painful to discuss. I can't even imagine.............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momto2Cs Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 I was reading yesterday that some girls ovulate up to a couple of years before their first menses. Chances are she needed the c-section as she had not yet gone through puberty, so her hips hadn't developed sufficiently for childbirth. Scary that one can even get pregnant that early, but if it is true that ovulation CAN occur that far ahead of the onset of true puberty, than biologically it makes more sense. Culturally, her tribe may have a lot of young mothers... perhaps this is just how it is for them. Regardless, I am horrified at the idea of someone my dc's age being a parent. And I am horrified at the idea that this could be considered as culturally acceptable anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommaduck Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Her early pregnancy was caused by the sick b@stard that r@ped/s3xu@ly abused a child. :iagree: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennifer3141 Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 I cannot read stuff like this with an almost 8 year old DD dancing in my living room. Sick. Sick. Sick. And I couldn't care less about the culture. That's a baby having a baby and the entire world needs to say, "Stop it!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnTheBrink Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Her early pregnancy was caused by the sick b@stard that r@ped/s3xu@ly abused a child. This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest submarines Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Her early pregnancy was caused by the sick b@stard that r@ped/s3xu@ly abused a child. What if early marriage is part of her culture? Are those who consumate marriages as soon as the brides menstruate, according to their religion and tradition, sick b@stards? Is it our cultural superiority that allows us to think this way? Btw, I agree with Chuki. But it isn't a very PC way to think, isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommaduck Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 What if early marriage is part of her culture? Are those who consumate marriages as soon as the brides menstruate, according to their religion and tradition, sick b@stards? Is it our cultural superiority that allows us to think this way? Btw, I agree with Chuki. But it isn't a very PC way to think, isn't it? I'd be more apt to think that way if the girl were between 13 and 15yrs. Historically speaking, even with child brides, I believe that it was generally considered humane and respectable to wait until the child was of a certain age...10 being something I have only heard of in one circumstance, historically (Mohammed). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakia Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 What if early marriage is part of her culture? Are those who consumate marriages as soon as the brides menstruate, according to their religion and tradition, sick b@stards? Is it our cultural superiority that allows us to think this way? Btw, I agree with Chuki. But it isn't a very PC way to think, isn't it? I've never been known to be all that PC, and yes, I say any man (using that term loosely), regardless of his culture, who has intercourse with a CHILD is a sick b@stard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrothead Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 I'd be more apt to think that way if the girl were between 13 and 15yrs. Historically speaking, even with child brides, I believe that it was generally considered humane and respectable to wait until the child was of a certain age...10 being something I have only heard of in one circumstance, historically (Mohammed). What mommaduck said. :iagree: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrothead Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 I've never been known to be all that PC, and yes, I say any man (using that term loosely), regardless of his culture, who has intercourse with a CHILD is a sick b@stard. Amen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leav97 Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 I've never been known to be all that PC, and yes, I say any man (using that term loosely), regardless of his culture, who has intercourse with a CHILD is a sick b@stard. So if this "man" is 11, does that still make him a sick b@stard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldberry Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 What if early marriage is part of her culture? Are those who consumate marriages as soon as the brides menstruate, according to their religion and tradition, sick b@stards? Is it our cultural superiority that allows us to think this way? Btw, I agree with Chuki. But it isn't a very PC way to think, isn't it? It disgusts me that this happens, but yes, I wonder if I would still be as disgusted if I lived in one of these cultures that has been doing it for a thousand years. You would think there would be an inborn reaction that this is still a child. But given how often it goes on, I wonder if that is really the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathryn Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 I had a very close friend who got pregnant in 5th grade. (I am 44). She was obviously pulled from school, and she gave birth to the baby by C-Section and never returned. The family moved away. So, it happens here as well, and it happened back in the 70's. But, agreeing about the sick b*stard part. I actually ran into this friend of mine a few years back. She brought it up briefly, and then mentioned it was way to painful to discuss. I can't even imagine.............. Close to the same situation, except we were in third grade when she got pregnant, fourth when she had the baby. The family moved and her parents raised the baby as their own. This was in the 1980s. Her "boyfriend" was in middle school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakia Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 So if this "man" is 11, does that still make him a sick b@stard? I find that highly unlikely, but if it comes out that he is indeed a child himself, I will take back my words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrothead Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 It disgusts me that this happens, but yes, I wonder if I would still be as disgusted if I lived in one of these cultures that has been doing it for a thousand years. You would think there would be an inborn reaction that this is still a child. But given how often it goes on, I wonder if that is really the case. So it is just a cultural difference? In this culture sex with a child is called pedophilia, and is punishable with jail time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggieamy Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Her early pregnancy was caused by the sick b@stard that r@ped/s3xu@ly abused a child. :iagree:. To me this isn't a discussion of early puberty - this is a sad story of a child being r@ped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Word Nerd Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 I've never been known to be all that PC, and yes, I say any man (using that term loosely), regardless of his culture, who has intercourse with a CHILD is a sick b@stard. :iagree::iagree::iagree: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocelotmom Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Yes, my mother was 9 and if she were still alive she would now be 57. Maybe it's TMI, but I was 16 (go figure). One of my grandmothers when 9 when she got her period. She's in her 80s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenL Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 The whole concept is disturbing, but I found this statement to be especially so... “'We’ve already seen several cases [of pregnancy] in girls of the Wayuu ethnicity,' EfraÃn Pacheco Casadiego, director of the hospital where the girl gave birth, told RCN La Radio noticias. 'When in fact [the girls] should be playing with dolls, they are having to care for a baby. This is shocking.'†That is just WRONG. I wish the ages of these fathers were available. However, I'm leaning toward Chucki's comment regarding r@pe which is why the "jurisdiction is keeping tight-lipped". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mommyfaithe Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Her early pregnancy was caused by the sick b@stard that r@ped/s3xu@ly abused a child. this.... :crying::crying: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsBear Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 That is just WRONG. I wish the ages of these fathers were available. However, I'm leaning toward Chucki's comment regarding r@pe which is why the "jurisdiction is keeping tight-lipped". The Colombian constitution guarantees the Wayuu their land and their autonomy, both of which give them their sovereignty within the country of Colombia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elizabeth Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 Her early pregnancy was caused by the sick b@stard that r@ped/s3xu@ly abused a child. I absolutely adore you. Mama, you are a blessing to the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TracyP Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 Regarding early puberty... I listened to a MN public radio program about this topic this morning. It is here if anyone would like to listen. The best theories they have are: BPA in plastics, stress, and obesity. The link to obesity seems to be the strongest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinmi Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 Her early pregnancy was caused by the sick b@stard that r@ped/s3xu@ly abused a child. :iagree: :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrixieB Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 The youngest mother on record was a 5 year old, and that happened in the 1930s. :blink: Seriously? FIVE years old? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*lifeoftheparty* Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garddwr Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 When I read the story I followed a few rabbit trails and read somewhere about Lina Medina who was the youngest mother on record; giving birth at 5 years old! When I read about her on Wikipedia, I found a list of the youngest birth mothers.... it was very disturbing to read, especially the section where it told who the Fathers were. :ack2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_youngest_birth_mothers I was about to post the link above. Unfortunately, this story is far from unique. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommytime Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 When I read the story I followed a few rabbit trails and read somewhere about Lina Medina who was the youngest mother on record; giving birth at 5 years old! When I read about her on Wikipedia, I found a list of the youngest birth mothers.... it was very disturbing to read, especially the section where it told who the Fathers were. :ack2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_youngest_birth_mothers That is so disturbing...I wish I hadn't looked at it. How horrible.:crying: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excelsior! Academy Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 That is so disturbing...I wish I hadn't looked at it. How horrible.:crying: :iagree::crying::crying: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosie_0801 Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 So if this "man" is 11, does that still make him a sick b@stard? No, it means their parents are. They've lived long enough to know the dangers of pregnancy on little bodies. Rosie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa in Australia Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 No, it means their parents are. They've lived long enough to know the dangers of pregnancy on little bodies. Rosie Not sure I get you here, are you meaning the parents of the pregnant girl? From my understanding quite often the parents don't realise there child is pregnant until they are pretty far along, perhaps already in labour. I personally know someone who was repeatedly raped by her father, she got pregnant at age 12. She didn't know she was pregnant, her parents realised when she was over 5 months, they then preformed an abortion on her. The thing she is most traumatized over was the abortion. This lady is now in her 50's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosie_0801 Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 Not sure I get you here, are you meaning the parents of the pregnant girl? From my understanding quite often the parents don't realise there child is pregnant until they are pretty far along, perhaps already in labour. I mean, assuming we are talking of two children marrying, both sets of parents. Having a cultural tradition of early marriage does not necessarily mean the relationship must be consummated immediately. The adults in the situation should know better and care enough about the health of their children and grand children. I personally know someone who was repeatedly raped by her father, she got pregnant at age 12. She didn't know she was pregnant, her parents realised when she was over 5 months, they then preformed an abortion on her. The thing she is most traumatized over was the abortion. This lady is now in her 50's That is horrible on many levels. :( Rosie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa in Australia Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 I mean, assuming we are talking of two children marrying, both sets of parents. Having a cultural tradition of early marriage does not necessarily mean the relationship must be consummated immediately. The adults in the situation should know better and care enough about the health of their children and grand children. That is horrible on many levels. :( Rosie Thanks for explaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mom2denj Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 Her early pregnancy was caused by the sick b@stard that r@ped/s3xu@ly abused a child. Exactly! This just makes me sick to my stomach! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delaney Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 I think hormones in food, parabans in products, and other chemical factors weigh in. I remember clearly that most of the girls I went to school with did not get their period until 7-8th grade. Now it seems all my DD's friends in 6th are getting it. Not even the obviously more developed girls!!! :confused: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heather in Neverland Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 What if early marriage is part of her culture? Are those who consumate marriages as soon as the brides menstruate, according to their religion and tradition, sick b@stards? Is it our cultural superiority that allows us to think this way? Btw, I agree with Chuki. But it isn't a very PC way to think, isn't it? After having lived in a culture other than my own for the last 3 years I just have to say... Hogwash. People use that excuse all the time here, too. "it's not wrong, it's just different!" and "it's a cultural thing!" are used to explain all kinds of things and it is a bunch of bunk. Sure, some things are just culturally different like Indian women wearing red saris on their wedding day instead of white bridal gowns. No big deal. But some things are different AND wrong. It is what you call STATISTICAL MORALITY. If 51% or more of a given population decides that something (like having sex with a 10yo girl) is ok, then it is "culturally acceptable." Thank goodness I do not rely on the capricious whims of man to decide what is right and wrong. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garddwr Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 Does anyone remember this story of a 10-year-old divorcee from Yemen? Unfortunately child brides are still common in many parts of the world, and while the husbands may agree to wait until puberty at least for sexual intercourse, those promises are not always kept. I remember reading a national geographic article about child brides some time ago--there was a story of a young girl seeking a divorce, it may have been the same one from the article linked, and the judge initially questioned her ability to make that decision based on the idea that she was too young. Um, if she's too young to choose a divorce, she is definitely too young to be married... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkacademy Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 I am not trying to be icky here but I keep looking at my 7 year old who is small by nature but anyway, wouldn't that just tear a little girl up? I mean a grown man basically doing that with a little one wouldn't that just cause some massive damage? Wouldn't the girl need to be hospitalized? I just cannot see how that would be possible I mean they are so freakin small couldn't that damage their insides, their hips even?? I would just think after the act or whatever is performed that the child would need medical attention or am I just crazy? I have never comprehended this type of thing I just don't see how that would be OK and a child get up to go play afterwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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