Important question about pies

[Innisfree]

2 minutes ago, Kuovonne said:

If the crust is what makes a pie a pie, would a quiche be a pie?

Yes

 

1 minute ago, Drama Llama said:

And what about a crustless quiche?

This doesn’t exist. 😉 Or… maybe it’s a soufflé? That’s the crustless eggy thing in my kitchen.

2 minutes ago, itsheresomewhere said:

Or crustless pumpkin pie? 
 

 

This would be just custard, right?

[Rosie_0801]

3 minutes ago, Drama Llama said:

And what about a crustless quiche?

That's a frittata.

2 minutes ago, itsheresomewhere said:

Or crustless pumpkin pie? 
 

 

Surely that is just custard?

[Innisfree]

Just now, Rosie_0801 said:

That's a frittata

Oh, yeah, right!

[Pam in CT]

re bottomless shepherd's pie

8 minutes ago, Drama Llama said:

In my world, shepherd's pie is a layer of ground lamb with carrots and peas and onions and gravy, and a layer of mashed potatoes on top, maybe with some cheese, baked so the potatoes are kinda stiff like a pie crust.  Cottage pie is the exact same thing with ground beef.  I also make it with lentils instead of or mixed with meat, and with cauliflower or sweet potatoes instead of or mixed with the potatoes.  But it's always ground meaty bottom and mashed something top. 

But... but... just sitting there in a casserole dish, with no crust??? 

I mean, it sounds delicious don't get me wrong, very much like moussaka which I adore, but... what makes it PIE?

 

 

 

re radical implications of The Crust is the Defining Feature

6 minutes ago, Kuovonne said:

If the crust is what makes a pie a pie, would a quiche be a pie?

Indeed, this thread has brought this very important question to the surface, and although I've never considered it before, I do believe that, yes, quiche is pie.

[Rosie_0801]

1 minute ago, Pam in CT said:

re bottomless shepherd's pie

But... but... just sitting there in a casserole dish, with no crust??? 

I mean, it sounds delicious don't get me wrong, very much like moussaka which I adore, but... what makes it PIE?

It has a top crust! Pastry is carbs, potatoes are carbs.

That's my best argument, anyway.

[ScoutTN]

25 minutes ago, Kuovonne said:

If the crust is what makes a pie a pie, would a quiche be a pie?

Yes!

[TechWife]

What about pizza? I think so, at least the deep dish. When does a crust become bread? Also, what about those weird desserts the delivery pizza places have, where they’ve doctored their crust and added things like chocolate sauce and marshmallows? Are those pies? 

[ScoutTN]

27 minutes ago, Rosie_0801 said:

That's a frittata.

Surely that is just custard?

Yes

[ScoutTN]

Just now, TechWife said:

What about pizza? I think so, at least the deep dish. When does a crust become bread? Also, what about those weird desserts the delivery pizza places have, where they’ve doctored their crust and added things like chocolate sauce and marshmallows? Are those pies? 

Hmmmm. Pizza crust is not pastry/pie crust. It is flatish bread. Not the same, imo.

[Pawz4me]

33 minutes ago, Kuovonne said:

If the crust is what makes a pie a pie, would a quiche be a pie?

In my mind I always think of quiche as egg pie. So . . yes, definitely. 

[ScoutTN]

Best thread in a week at least!😎 🥧🥧🥧🥧🥧

Edited October 30, 2023 by ScoutTN

[SKL]

Yes.  And now I want one.

[TechWife]

6 minutes ago, ScoutTN said:

Hmmmm. Pizza crust is not pastry/pie crust. It is flatish bread. Not the same, imo.

What about deep dish that has a flakier crust snd comes up the sides of the filling? 

[SKL]

nm

 

Edited October 30, 2023 by SKL

[Drama Llama]

40 minutes ago, Rosie_0801 said:

It has a top crust! Pastry is carbs, potatoes are carbs.

That's my best argument, anyway.

And when I substitute cauliflower, then what happens?

[Rosie_0801]

Just now, Drama Llama said:

And when I substitute cauliflower, then what happens?

Mock pie?

[ScoutTN]

10 minutes ago, TechWife said:

What about deep dish that has a flakier crust snd comes up the sides of the filling? 

Well, idk. Not sure I’ve ever had that.
Is it yeasted? Then it’s bread, not crust. Quick “breads” are really cake.

But then soda bread is bread….

So confusing…

Edited October 30, 2023 by ScoutTN

[Junie]

Pizza, quiche, and chicken pot pie have all been consumed here on March 14th.  Therefore, they are pie. 😉

[Drama Llama]

5 minutes ago, Junie said:

Pizza, quiche, and chicken pot pie have all been consumed here on March 14th.  Therefore, they are pie. 😉

Once, I ate some grapes on March 14th. 

[wisdomandtreasures]

I'm sorry, I read the original post and this is all I could think... 🤣

https://youtu.be/ae50P_ajLxA?feature=shared

 

[Faith-manor]

44 minutes ago, TechWife said:

What about pizza? I think so, at least the deep dish. When does a crust become bread? Also, what about those weird desserts the delivery pizza places have, where they’ve doctored their crust and added things like chocolate sauce and marshmallows? Are those pies? 

First of all, the weird dessert pizza things are an affront to the dignity of real pizza. They don't count.

Second, it if has yeast and has to proof/rise, then gets a bunch of air pockets in it, it is bread.

I feel this is true, therefore I am declaring it true. 😁

[Rosie_0801]

23 minutes ago, Drama Llama said:

Once, I ate some grapes on March 14th. 

I've eaten pie with sultanas in it.

[Terabith]

Of course pizza is a pie!  It’s called pizza pie.  Or “I just ordered a pie!”

[Drama Llama]

So, I make pot pies like this:

https://smittenkitchen.com/2012/10/pancetta-white-bean-and-swiss-chard-pot-pies/

With the crust on the top so you can poke it and have it fall in and get all soggy. 

Is that pie?

[Pippen]

1 hour ago, Rosie_0801 said:

It has a top crust! Pastry is carbs, potatoes are carbs.

That's my best argument, anyway.

I make my chicken pot pie in a glass bowl, with a top crust only. 

[itsheresomewhere]

6 minutes ago, Pippen said:

I make my chicken pot pie in a glass bowl, with a top crust only. 

Top that with puff pastry instead of pie crust and that is one delicious meal.  
 

 

[gardenmom5]

yes, they are pies.  they are a filling, baked with a crust. (with or without a bottom crust.  (I do a top 'crust' from - my own - biscuit dough)

cobblers are fruit "pies" with only a top crust.  (that was about all my grandmother every made.)

some pies only have bottom crusts e.g. key lime, or pecan.

quiche - are pies, they have a custard filling (with cheese, meat, and sometimes veggies), baked in a pie shell.

 

[YaelAldrich]

3 hours ago, Drama Llama said:

In a crust shell, or more like an empanada?  

You can, at least, tell us which spices to heap in. 

Either. But I'm a open face pie crust is easiest.

Cumin, coriander (spice), ground or minced onion, minced garlic, paprika (sweet or smoked or a combo), salt, pepper, and minced coriander (herb) or parsley.

[YaelAldrich]

So if I top off chicken, gravy, and vegetables with biscuits and pop it in the oven until everything is yummy is that a pie?

[klmama]

The so-called pie I definitely think is NOT pie is the Boston Cream Pie.  Yellow cake with a layer of vanilla pastry cream in the middle and chocolate ganache on top.  Delicious, but not really pie.

[Melissa in Australia]

4 hours ago, Rosie_0801 said:

Mock pie?

😂🤣😂

Love it

[Innisfree]

1 hour ago, YaelAldrich said:

So if I top off chicken, gravy, and vegetables with biscuits and pop it in the oven until everything is yummy is that a pie?

Nope, that’s chicken casserole. Delicious, yes; a cold-weather staple here; but not pie. Pie requires pastry.

[Laura Corin]

7 hours ago, Drama Llama said:

You put a bottom crust on your shepherd's pie?  

I love shepherd's or cottage pie, but I must admit I am now wondering if they are actually pie.  If I go with the "crust" definition, then they go in the "things we call pie that really aren't" along with Amish pot pie, and cutie-pies.  

Shepherd's and cottage pie in the UK have a potato topping and no pastry case. See also fish pie. 

[KungFuPanda]

Ok. I belong to a Pie Club and we have very strong feelings. The official vote was that a Pie must contain both crustage and fillage to be a pie.  So, cheesecake IS a pie, but Boston cream pie is not. 
 

Savory pies are “legally” pies as are pizzas. Hand pies and empanadas are also pies. 
 

ETA: Photo for street cred. This photo was taken after the savory course pies had been consumed. Yes. This is the second round of pies. 🤣

Edited October 30, 2023 by KungFuPanda

[KungFuPanda]

7 hours ago, ScoutTN said:

Hmmmm. Pizza crust is not pastry/pie crust. It is flatish bread. Not the same, imo.

Crust is crust. You can make a pie with a graham cracker crust and it’s still a pie.  Not all crust is pastry crust. Spaghetti pie has a noodle crust.

My pie club voted that shepherd’s pie isn’t “pie” because it hasn’t got a bottom crust and that a top crust is an auxiliary crust and, while a nice extra, does not constitute a “crustage” that can contain “fillage.” Entire categories of shepherd’s pies and cobblers got targeted that day. We have 2nd generation members now, so I may plan some bribes and a re vote. 
 

It should be noted that I was the dissenting vote and the whole debate got kicked off because I wanted to include an apple crisp in the mix. I got out voted, but brought an apple crisp pie to the next meeting. 😂

[Drama Llama]

2 hours ago, KungFuPanda said:

Crust is crust. You can make a pie with a graham cracker crust and it’s still a pie.  Not all crust is pastry crust. Spaghetti pie has a noodle crust.

My pie club voted that shepherd’s pie isn’t “pie” because it hasn’t got a bottom crust and that a top crust is an auxiliary crust and, while a nice extra, does not constitute a “crustage” that can contain “fillage.” Entire categories of shepherd’s pies and cobblers got targeted that day. We have 2nd generation members now, so I may plan some bribes and a re vote. 
 

It should be noted that I was the dissenting vote and the whole debate got kicked off because I wanted to include an apple crisp in the mix. I got out voted, but brought an apple crisp pie to the next meeting. 😂

So, bread boules for soup are . . . ?  

Now, I want to join a pie club.  

[ScoutTN]

Pie Club! Brilliant! I need this in my life.

[Faith-manor]

3 hours ago, KungFuPanda said:

Crust is crust. You can make a pie with a graham cracker crust and it’s still a pie.  Not all crust is pastry crust. Spaghetti pie has a noodle crust.

My pie club voted that shepherd’s pie isn’t “pie” because it hasn’t got a bottom crust and that a top crust is an auxiliary crust and, while a nice extra, does not constitute a “crustage” that can contain “fillage.” Entire categories of shepherd’s pies and cobblers got targeted that day. We have 2nd generation members now, so I may plan some bribes and a re vote. 
 

It should be noted that I was the dissenting vote and the whole debate got kicked off because I wanted to include an apple crisp in the mix. I got out voted, but brought an apple crisp pie to the next meeting. 😂

I am loving your pie club! 😂😂😂

[Faith-manor]

39 minutes ago, Drama Llama said:

So, bread boules for soup are . . . ?  

Now, I want to join a pie club.  

No pie. Bread bowls are bread. They have yeast, need to proof/rise, are filled with air holes instead of flaking because of a fat such has heavy amounts of butter or lard.

I do like a good bread bowl though!

[Emba]

12 hours ago, Drama Llama said:

Shepherd's pie made with beef instead of lamb.

I have never seen a shepherd's pie made with a crust.  Is that just me? 

When I’ve made shepherds pie ( but with beef, so actually Cottage pie?!?) it has no bottom crust, and mashed potatoes on top, no actual crust anywhere.

[LuvToRead]

59 minutes ago, ScoutTN said:

Pie Club! Brilliant! I need this in my life.

I wanna join the pie club!! Even though the one thing I can't make is a pie crust LOL.  

I make chicken pot "pie" in a oblong baking dish with biscuits on top too.  

Anyway, just wanted to add that I love pie of all shapes and sizes!

[TechWife]

12 hours ago, Drama Llama said:

And what about a crustless quiche?

 

12 hours ago, itsheresomewhere said:

Or crustless pumpkin pie? 
 

 

Custard.

[TechWife]

4 hours ago, KungFuPanda said:

Ok. I belong to a Pie Club and we have very strong feelings. The official vote was that a Pie must contain both crustage and fillage to be a pie.  So, cheesecake IS a pie, but Boston cream pie is not. 
 

Savory pies are “legally” pies as are pizzas. Hand pies and empanadas are also pies. 
 

ETA: Photo for street cred. This photo was taken after the savory course pies had been consumed. Yes. This is the second round of pies. 🤣

That looks amazing! 

[73349]

A custard doesn't have to be baked, though. I make pumpkin custard and (crustless) pumpkin pie with two different recipes.

I grew up calling cottage pie (with no crust except the mashed potatoes) shepherd's pie.

I love Boston cream pie but can seldom get a GF one.

I've never considered pizza a pie (or a bread or a cake... it's pizza).

I might start a rival Pie Club that will take to a vote anything baked in a pie pan.

What do y'all think of the Cube Rule, in which Calzone is a category but pie is not?

https://www.reddit.com/r/tumblr/comments/v5w0r2/food/?rdt=36852

 

Edited October 30, 2023 by 73349

[Terabith]

For some reason this seems like it might be relevant here.  

[Matryoshka]

4 hours ago, 73349 said:

I've never considered pizza a pie (or a bread or a cake... it's pizza).

I haven't ever really considered pizza a pie but I can understand the argument for its consideration, and then of course some people actually call it 'pizza pie', as in the song...

"When the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie
That's amore!" 😁

 

Edited October 30, 2023 by Matryoshka

[ScoutTN]

Making pumpkin not-pie tonight. Custard. I’m out of flour so no crust. 

[Terabith]

Wrong thread!

Edited October 31, 2023 by Terabith

[ScoutTN]

1 minute ago, Terabith said:

Breakfast:  bowl of oatmeal with 2TB each flax and chia seeds, “that looks like enough” blueberries afterwards 

Morning snack at preschool:  ounce of almonds and an orange 

Lunch part 1 (eaten while helping kids):  2 cups spinach and kale, most of a red bell pepper 

Lunch part 2:  apple, two large handfuls of baby carrots with guacamole (half avocado and onion salt), half of a lentiful bowl (1/3 cup lentils with 1/3 cup water and some seasoning)

Dinner:  four strawberries, some meatloaf, a baked potato. Store was out of broccoli and green beans so low veggie dinner 

No pie?! ☹️😱😳

[Terabith]

Just now, ScoutTN said:

No pie?! ☹️😱😳

Oh no! Wrong thread!  I meant this for the 80 grams thread!