Duggar found GUILTY

[Faith-manor]

7 minutes ago, fairfarmhand said:

 One of my girls, speaking of our rams, said they were: “all balls and no brains."

And bucks in rut!!!! Oh my gosh!!! Is there a grosser, more perverted animal on earth??? Oh wait, ya drakes! 😂😂😂

[KungFuPanda]

3 hours ago, Faith-manor said:

I do think Jill suspected. At one point on the show when it was discussed and her parents were downplaying it, she said audibly, "But we were the victims." No response from her parents. I think it took marrying Derrick and telling him everything to find out this is not normal or regular, it is a crime, she was treated abominably, nothing was done that should have been done, and that her feelings and trauma are NOT sin. It took an outside source who loved and cared for her saying, "That is a truck load of horse hockey" for her to begin really looking at it, and seeing it for what it was. She and Jinger are out of the cult. Jessa seems to be very much still in. My hope for Joy is that Austin will help her break free. If faces and clearly choked up eyes are any indication of his feelings, he was one angry, hurt young husband at court.

I think the pukiest moment for Jill and Joy was that absolute waste of skin criminal grabbing them and forcing a hug on them during the break! Can you imagine!? 😠 With all those law enforcement officials and journalists around, they couldn't make a scene but I can only muse just how much Derrick and Austin wanted to pummel him on the spot! 

 

I can imagine any spin their parents put on the abuse or the forgiveness fell apart once they had children of  their own.  It had to be a huge blow to imagine the events once they were parents and really KNEW how a parent should feel about their children and how they should act if their child is harmed.

[Slache]

32 minutes ago, KungFuPanda said:

I can imagine any spin their parents put on the abuse or the forgiveness fell apart once they had children of  their own.  It had to be a huge blow to imagine the events once they were parents and really KNEW how a parent should feel about their children and how they should act if their child is harmed.

This is exactly what happened with me and many other parents I know. When you're growing up it's your normal. They tell you they're doing the best they can and you believe them. Then you become a parent and either you revisit your childhood trauma or it revisits you, possibly in front of or involving your children, and it just hits you like a ton of bricks. Not only would you do things differently, but the thought of handling it the way they did wouldn't even cross your mind. Love prevents you from being capable of doing those things. 

Then of course your realization is totally traumatizing, too. They will be processing this for years. Possibly forever.

[bluemongoose]

18 minutes ago, Slache said:

This is exactly what happened with me and many other parents I know. When you're growing up it's your normal. They tell you they're doing the best they can and you believe them. Then you become a parent and either you revisit your childhood trauma or it revisits you, possibly in front of or involving your children, and it just hits you like a ton of bricks. Not only would you do things differently, but the thought of handling it the way they did wouldn't even cross your mind. Love prevents you from being capable of doing those things. 

Then of course your realization is totally traumatizing, too. They will be processing this for years. Possibly forever.

This!

[HS Mom in NC]

2 hours ago, Slache said:

Then of course your realization is totally traumatizing, too. They will be processing this for years. Possibly forever.

Yes, because trauma is always developmental.  Human beings reprocess things as we move into new stages of development.  It never goes away, it gets processed again and again a little differently each time as the years pass.

[katilac]

3 hours ago, fairfarmhand said:

So, for my kids it’s just hammered home the idea that we are above the animals. One of my girls, speaking of our rams, said they were: “all balls and no brain.”  

You can say the same thing about some humans. 

[MercyA]

12 hours ago, Scarlett said:

I don't understand the whole 'animal traits' idea and that we should imitate the animals.  The Bible is clear that HUMANS are suppose to dominate the animals.  No where does it say we are to imitate them.  Rather we are suppose to imitate Godly qualities.  

Now as part of the wonder of creation?  Sure, that makes sense....but even then we are living in an imperfect fallen world and that includes the animals.  

I agree with most of what you said above, but there is this little bit in Proverbs:

"Go to the ant, O sluggard; consider her ways, and be wise." 😉 

Maybe they started there with the idea for the book and went too far! 

[Annie G]

Jessa just confirmed what Jana’s legal issue is. She was babysitting and one of the kids slipped out unnoticed. The child wasn’t injured.

 It’ll probably be at most a fine. Perhaps it was an M kid and that’s why it ended with a citation- lots of eyes on those kids right now.

 

 

Edited December 14, 2021 by Annie G

[MercyA]

7 hours ago, Corraleno said:

Hearing the graphic details of her own molestation, plus graphic details of the kind of material that Josh was downloading, is horrific enough, but to realize at the same time that her own parents blatantly lied to her and her sisters, in order to protect the person who sexually assaulted them, adds a whole extra level of betrayal. Those girls must be feeling like they woke up in an alternate universe where everything they believed has been turned upside down.

Corraleno, when you have a chance, would you mind explaining the bolded to me? What did Jim Bob and Michelle lie to the girls about? Thank you!

[katilac]

9 minutes ago, MercyA said:

Corraleno, when you have a chance, would you mind explaining the bolded to me? What did Jim Bob and Michelle lie to the girls about? Thank you!

Not Corraleno, but they definitely lied about the extent of the abuse and said that it was no more than Josh touching them over their clothes while they were sleeping. 

[MercyA]

10 minutes ago, katilac said:

Not Corraleno, but they definitely lied about the extent of the abuse and said that it was no more than Josh touching them over their clothes while they were sleeping. 

Thanks, katilac. I didn't realize that the girls didn't know the whole truth about what was done to them. 😞 

[Faith-manor]

24 minutes ago, katilac said:

Not Corraleno, but they definitely lied about the extent of the abuse and said that it was no more than Josh touching them over their clothes while they were sleeping. 

And about the fact that they had been told by others to take Josh to the police and refused, and that he had confessed to worse assaults on the youngest victim. 

[Tanaqui]

8 hours ago, KungFuPanda said:

I can imagine any spin their parents put on the abuse or the forgiveness fell apart once they had children of  their own.  It had to be a huge blow to imagine the events once they were parents and really KNEW how a parent should feel about their children and how they should act if their child is harmed.

 

That, or they have to double down. You see that all the time - people assert that spanking must be the correct way because "If my parents hadn't spanked me I'm sure I would've gone to juvie". Well, you just don't know that, buddy. "My parents hit me once, and I don't remember what I did but you can bet I didn't do it again!" If you don't even know what it was....

But they have to believe it, the way they believed it as a child, or else they're going to have a lot of questions they don't really want to think about. (Note: As a rule, I try not to use the A word for culturally normative parenting practices, even if the data shows there are better ones. It should go without saying that the Duggars are members of a cult, and have rather extremist parenting practices.)

[Carrie12345]

14 hours ago, Corraleno said:

but to realize at the same time that her own parents blatantly lied to her and her sisters, in order to protect the person who sexually assaulted them, adds a whole extra level of betraya

This is what has been on my mind the most for them. There was unfathomable abuse that will now meet some degree of secondhand justice, but what those parents did was ALSO abuse.  Perhaps they’re reaping a small taste of karma, but I don’t think there’s going to be any actual justice there.

I’ve experienced comparatively less traumatic gaslighting. I have had a biological parent hurt my heart. Those things suck. But, in this context, I don’t think I have the ability to fully imagine the devastation of learning all of this, in that setting, so many years later, after being told god knows what, and also knowing that the outside world pretty much already knew all this time. AND now they know “we” know they know we knew while they didn’t. 
Discovering the amount of, I’ll call it mind control for lack of brain power this morning, their parents exerted on them in this instance has to be not only traumatic *for this instance, but what does that mean for every other aspect of the life they had and the life they were encouraged to have?

Trying to tease out what was honest and what was manipulation, even in a generic sense, is maddening.

[TravelingChris]

4 hours ago, Tanaqui said:

 

That, or they have to double down. You see that all the time - people assert that spanking must be the correct way because "If my parents hadn't spanked me I'm sure I would've gone to juvie". Well, you just don't know that, buddy. "My parents hit me once, and I don't remember what I did but you can bet I didn't do it again!" If you don't even know what it was....

But they have to believe it, the way they believed it as a child, or else they're going to have a lot of questions they don't really want to think about. (Note: As a rule, I try not to use the A word for culturally normative parenting practices, even if the data shows there are better ones. It should go without saying that the Duggars are members of a cult, and have rather extremist parenting practices.)

My father did one spank one time and I certainly deserved it.  I don't remember why I had been mad but do remember twhat I did- defecate in my closet to get back at my parents for sole supposed wrong.  You can bet I never did that again but it wasn't the spank that did it.  It was that my father was so disappointed w me.  And no, I don't think 1 spank that leaves no maŕk is abusive. I was pribably  4 

The other punishment I remember very well was when my mom and me went to the store and I wanted a candy that my mom wasn't going to buy.  It was one of those caramel candies on colorful wrappers in bins.  They still sell them.  Anyway, I decided to take one and eat it.  When my mom found out, she made me go to the store manager, apologize and give hin the money for the candy.  I was so embarrassed that I never stole anything again. 

[Scarlett]

11 hours ago, MercyA said:

I agree with most of what you said above, but there is this little bit in Proverbs:

"Go to the ant, O sluggard; consider her ways, and be wise." 😉 

Maybe they started there with the idea for the book and went too far! 

Ah good point.....but that is an actual good piece of advice!  LOL...

[DawnM]

 

Yikes!~

• Duggar, 33, is facing charges of receiving and possessing child sexual abuse images but is being released on bail today
• In 2015, Josh spent six months at the Reformers Unanimous residential treatment center in Rockford, Illinois to treat porn addiction
• The $7,500-per-month facility bans email and cell phones, has men sleep in bunk beds and spend time in prayer; a six-month stay would have cost $45,000
• Josh's parents, Jim Bob and Michelle, had a relationship with the center and had been keynote speakers at a conference for it
• Pastor Jack Allen Schaap, who was involved with Reformers in another state, is serving 12 years for criminal sexual assault of an underage girl 
• Josh checked in after he was discovered to have an account on the adultery website Ashley Madison and admitted to adultery
• The Ashley Madison leak came several months after the public discovered that Josh had molested four of his younger sisters as a teenager
• Josh had gone to another treatment center in Arkansas in 2003 following the sexual abuse of his siblings
• It has been alleged that he was forced to do manual labor and shave his head at the Arkansas facility

[Faith-manor]

Yes, and the "treatment" facility in Arkansas was a Gothard facility. So ya.....

But, JB couldn't remember what happened to his daughters when he took and oath on a Bible and testified at the pre-trial hearing.

If JB or Josh opens their mouth, they are lying. You can bank on it. Except when federal investigators are around, and then Josh is so smug and sure his daddy can get home out of anything, he hands them the case on a silver platter.

JB is running in today's special election to win the republican ticket for state legislator for his district!

[gardenmom5]

1 minute ago, Faith-manor said:

 

JB is running in today's special election to win the republican ticket for state legislator for his district!

please tell me there are more credible candidates.

[Faith-manor]

13 minutes ago, gardenmom5 said:

please tell me there are more credible candidates.

There are. And Derrick just went on social media with a local journalist and called a spade a spade asking people to please not throw any votes JB's way because if he makes it onto the ticket as a Republican, he is afraid that the area is so conservative that they would not vote for the dem in the election after the new year thus propelling this disgusting human into office. Not normally a fan of Derrick, but man, lately I have been liking him more and more!!!

[Faith-manor]

There are four running in this primary, so the difficult thing is that with so many candidates, it doesn't take a huge number of votes to be the winner. Holts also went on social media begging people to vote for anyone but JB. I think the Duggar house of cards is FINALLY collapsing, at least I hope!

[Terabith]

Did that say that Josh was being released on bail today???  

[Faith-manor]

2 minutes ago, Terabith said:

Did that say that Josh was being released on bail today???  

I don't think so. I have not seen any news updates too this effect, and the judge said that federal law requires the immediate incarceration due to the seriousness of the conviction. I have read the statute and it does appear that the judge followed the law. Unless there is a terrible emergency and the court chooses to allow him to be escorted by federal marshals, they sometimes do that for things like close relative funeral, I think he is staying put. And the feds do not allow conjugal visits. I think he is pretty well under lock and key.

[Terabith]

5 minutes ago, Faith-manor said:

I don't think so. I have not seen any news updates too this effect, and the judge said that federal law requires the immediate incarceration due to the seriousness of the conviction. I have read the statute and it does appear that the judge followed the law. Unless there is a terrible emergency and the court chooses to allow him to be escorted by federal marshals, they sometimes do that for things like close relative funeral, I think he is staying put. And the feds do not allow conjugal visits. I think he is pretty well under lock and key.

Okay, Dawn's post earlier worried me, but maybe that was an older article?

[Faith-manor]

6 minutes ago, Terabith said:

Okay, Dawn's post earlier worried me, but maybe that was an older article?

Yes, I think so. Because the article states he was facing charges, but now he is convicted. So that is a big difference.

[DawnM]

26 minutes ago, Terabith said:

Okay, Dawn's post earlier worried me, but maybe that was an older article?

Sorry, I didn't put the date in.   Yes, earlier.   I was mainly focusing on that deplorable "rehab" facility and the r*pe charges against one of the pastors there.

[gardenmom5]

45 minutes ago, Faith-manor said:

I don't think so. I have not seen any news updates too this effect, and the judge said that federal law requires the immediate incarceration due to the seriousness of the conviction. I have read the statute and it does appear that the judge followed the law. Unless there is a terrible emergency and the court chooses to allow him to be escorted by federal marshals, they sometimes do that for things like close relative funeral, I think he is staying put. And the feds do not allow conjugal visits. I think he is pretty well under lock and key.

we can only hope Anna isn't pregnant. and with no conjugal visits, she won't be having more.  She needs to get far far away from JB & M.

 

(it's not the number of kids - it's the very bad situation for kids that has me concerned.)

[Faith-manor]

1 hour ago, DawnM said:

Sorry, I didn't put the date in.   Yes, earlier.   I was mainly focusing on that deplorable "rehab" facility and the r*pe charges against one of the pastors there.

Oh yes, there could be a whole nother thread on Jack Schapp. But we would first need to start with his father in law, Jack Hyles who embezzled funds from the church for decades to keep his mistress in style across town, and then covered for a deacon who raped a developmentally and physically disabled little girl in the church on a Sunday during Sunday School class.

Birds of a feather. If they winge from the pulpit loud and long on everyone else's sexual morals, you can for damn sure bet they are perving around on the side themselves. That has been the deal with all the big names in "family values" for the most part. In my state, it was a state legislator moaning about family values while having a raging affair with another legislator. Doug Phillips, Doug Wilson, Mark Driscoll, Ted Haggard, Jimmy Swaggert, RC. Sproul Jr., Jack Hybels, Ravi Zacharias, Doug Goodman (I swear no one should call their kid Douglas because something is just wrong with that name 😁), Eddie Bishop, Lonnie Latham, Earl Paulk, Paul Barnes, Tony Alamo, George Rekers, Falwell Jr., oh man the list is so damn long....

Basically, if they are bananas about what other consenting adults are doing in their bedrooms, then somebody better to see what they are up to because it isn't going to be pretty.

Edited December 14, 2021 by Faith-manor

[Sneezyone]

2 hours ago, Faith-manor said:

Oh yes, there could be a whole mother thread on Jack Schapp. But we would first need to start with his father in law, Jack Holes who embezzled funds from the church for decades to keep his mistress in style across town, and then covered for a deacon who raped a developmentally and physically disabled little girl in the church on a Sunday during Sunday School class.

Birds of a feather. If they winge from the pulpit loud and long on everyone else's sexual morals, you can for damn sure bet they are perving around on the side themselves. That has been the deal with all the big names in "family values" for the most part. In my state, it was a state legislator moaning about family values while having a raging affair with another legislator. Doug Phillips, Doug Wilson, Mark Driscoll, Ted Haggard, Jimmy Swaggert, RC. Sproul Jr., Jack Hybels, Ravi Zacharias, Doug Goodman (I swear no one should call their kid Douglas because something is just wrong with that name 😁), Eddie Bishop, Lonnie Latham, Earl Paulk, Paul Barnes, Tony Alamo, George Rekers, Falwell Jr., oh man the list is so damn long....

Basically, if they are bananas about what other consenting adults are doing in their bedrooms, then somebody better to see what they are up to because it isn't going to be pretty.

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But it’s tru tho. So. Much. Projection.

[DawnM]

1 hour ago, gardenmom5 said:

we can only hope Anna isn't pregnant. and with no conjugal visits, she won't be having more.  She needs to get far far away from JB & M.

 

(it's not the number of kids - it's the very bad situation for kids that has me concerned.)

I doubt she will.    Where would she go?   With her parents?   They are all ATI cult too.   She has no income and 7 kids, several of whom need childcare.

She is stuck.

[Faith-manor]

10 minutes ago, DawnM said:

I doubt she will.    Where would she go?   With her parents?   They are all ATI cult too.   She has no income and 7 kids, several of whom need childcare.

She is stuck.

What she should do is take Jernigan, the lawyer from YouTube who does legal analysis, up on her public offer to assist her and then sue JB for all of her children's wages which he is holding because TLC was so depraved and didn't care about the children and allowed JB the patriarch to get all the money. Jill had to sue for hers. He holds no money in trust for the minors even though he makes all that revenue off them.

She could take the money and run. But I doubt she has the back bone to do it.

[Corraleno]

A guy who worked as a bodyguard for the Duggar family, and Josh in particular, during the whole In Touch scandal, did an AMA on Reddit. Some highlights:

When he first met the family, after the police report was made public, JB laughingly introduced Josh as "the man of the hour," like it was all a big joke.

He said Josh is every bit as arrogant and smug and sleazy as people assume. He was always very protective of his electronic devices and would watch porn when he thought no one could see him — including while driving! He had a phone holder on the dashboard of his car and would watch videos without realizing that the bodyguard who was following close behind could see the screen.

When asked if he thought JB was really as devoutly religious as he claims, the bodyguard said no, his impression was that JB's #1 priority was always the money.

He said that when one of the Duggar kids was injured, JB was so paranoid about the possibility of a CPS investigation that he sent the kid to a doctor friend in Texas for treatment rather than go to the local hospital and risk an investigation. (The bodyguard did not believe the injury was intentional, and said he would have reported it immediately if he felt that was.)

He believes the Megyn Kelly interview was the brainchild of Huckabee's PR person, who took over damage control for the Duggars when the In Touch scandal broke, and that the victims didn't have any say in whether they did the interview or not.

He said he felt the girls were really mistreated, and he hopes they get the help they need and are able to break the cycle. OTOH, he is not a fan of Anna, and said she is not as meek and mild as she appears in public. 

Creepiest story: the family attended a large 4th of July party where there was a pool that was not visible from where the adults were hanging out. The only adult in the pool was Josh, who was playing with the little kids and "catching" them as they came down the slide. This was at the same time that his molestation of his sisters was all over the news, and he was allowed to "play" with little kids in a pool where adults couldn't see him!

[AbcdeDooDah]

Todays the election and his old friend who testified posted on FB to discourage voting for Jim Bob. Jill’s husband Derick posted, too. It appears the cracks are getting  bigger.

 

https://www.facebook.com/jim.holt.1117

 

Derick’s reply:

It’s sad that this isn’t an isolated incident. I used to have much respect for Jim Bob, as my father-in-law, and I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt for years. Unfortunately, it’s only become clearer to us over time just how deep this man’s manipulation and deceit will go for his own gain, at the expense of others. He has lied to my wife and I numerous times. Contrary to his campaign, he does not believe in freedom, but his manipulation has resulted in what is akin to human trafficking. When confronted privately, he is not humble, but he is defensive and verbally abusive. When he says he cannot be bought, the truth is that he has a history of being a sellout to anything that he can personally profit from, and he will justify it however he wants to continue his personal agenda. Again, if he has lied and continues to lie to his best friends and his own family, will he LIE to YOU?!

Edited December 14, 2021 by AbcdeDooDah

[AbcdeDooDah]

I got the impression that that the last few years Jill and Derick were trying to mend their relationship with her parents. I think after the trial they finally saw the truth. I don’t see any going back after that statement.

[Murphy101]

22 minutes ago, Faith-manor said:

What she should do is take Jernigan, the lawyer from YouTube who does legal analysis, up on her public offer to assist her and then sue JB for all of her children's wages which he is holding because TLC was so depraved and didn't care about the children and allowed JB the patriarch to get all the money. Jill had to sue for hers. He holds no money in trust for the minors even though he makes all that revenue off them.

She could take the money and run. But I doubt she has the back bone to do it.

Except while the lawyer is doing lawyer stuff - what’s Anne going to do while living with these crazies?  It’s not like the lawyer sues and the next day Anne has a funds and a place to go. Even if the lawyer is pro bono,  that kind of thing kind take months. Or heck years if someone really wants to drag it out.

A long term plan is great but only useful if there’s a short term plan to help get that far.

[freesia]

30 minutes ago, AbcdeDooDah said:

Todays the election and his old friend who testified posted on FB to discourage voting for Jim Bob. Jill’s husband Derick posted, too. It appears the cracks are getting  bigger.

 

https://www.facebook.com/jim.holt.1117

 

Derick’s reply:

It’s sad that this isn’t an isolated incident. I used to have much respect for Jim Bob, as my father-in-law, and I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt for years. Unfortunately, it’s only become clearer to us over time just how deep this man’s manipulation and deceit will go for his own gain, at the expense of others. He has lied to my wife and I numerous times. Contrary to his campaign, he does not believe in freedom, but his manipulation has resulted in what is akin to human trafficking. When confronted privately, he is not humble, but he is defensive and verbally abusive. When he says he cannot be bought, the truth is that he has a history of being a sellout to anything that he can personally profit from, and he will justify it however he wants to continue his personal agenda. Again, if he has lied and continues to lie to his best friends and his own family, will he LIE to Wow?!

Wow! Yeah, no going back.

[Faith-manor]

43 minutes ago, Murphy101 said:

Except while the lawyer is doing lawyer stuff - what’s Anne going to do while living with these crazies?  It’s not like the lawyer sues and the next day Anne has a funds and a place to go. Even if the lawyer is pro bono,  that kind of thing kind take months. Or heck years if someone really wants to drag it out.

A long term plan is great but only useful if there’s a short term plan to help get that far.

I think the lawyer mentioned having options. So my guess is someone willing to take them in.

[Faith-manor]

59 minutes ago, Corraleno said:

 

Creepiest story: the family attended a large 4th of July party where there was a pool that was not visible from where the adults were hanging out. The only adult in the pool was Josh, who was playing with the little kids and "catching" them as they came down the slide. This was at the same time that his molestation of his sisters was all over the news, and he was allowed to "play" with little kids in a pool where adults couldn't see him!

Yep! Unbelievable. The children have been failed at every level.

Creep monster also referred to Anna as his "working model" after they got engaged, and actually said after they were, and was videotaped saying it, "That she was a master at swallowing." 

If the feds dropped him in a hole and he never re-emerged, JB and Chelle would be the only people crying over it.

There was an AMA by one of the prosecution witnesses as well, and his while take is that Josh has been sleazy and gross always, and that JB is a liar and manipulator.

[Mrs Tiggywinkle]

At this point I’m really just here to see what Derick is going to do next.

 

[Scarlett]

2 hours ago, AbcdeDooDah said:

Todays the election and his old friend who testified posted on FB to discourage voting for Jim Bob. Jill’s husband Derick posted, too. It appears the cracks are getting  bigger.

 

https://www.facebook.com/jim.holt.1117

 

Derick’s reply:

It’s sad that this isn’t an isolated incident. I used to have much respect for Jim Bob, as my father-in-law, and I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt for years. Unfortunately, it’s only become clearer to us over time just how deep this man’s manipulation and deceit will go for his own gain, at the expense of others. He has lied to my wife and I numerous times. Contrary to his campaign, he does not believe in freedom, but his manipulation has resulted in what is akin to human trafficking. When confronted privately, he is not humble, but he is defensive and verbally abusive. When he says he cannot be bought, the truth is that he has a history of being a sellout to anything that he can personally profit from, and he will justify it however he wants to continue his personal agenda. Again, if he has lied and continues to lie to his best friends and his own family, will he LIE to YOU?!

This rings true for me…..one of the first things I remember about the duggars is that they were debt free.  This was in the early days…not as a result of the show. No one is above falling for the ‘love of money’.  And I think he got really caught up in making more and more money.  

[Rosie_0801]

9 minutes ago, Scarlett said:

This rings true for me…..one of the first things I remember about the duggars is that they were debt free.  This was in the early days…not as a result of the show. No one is above falling for the ‘love of money’.  And I think he got really caught up in making more and more money.  

Well, money is power and ya can't have too much of that, can ya?

[gardenmom5]

51 minutes ago, Mrs Tiggywinkle said:

At this point I’m really just here to see what Derick is going to do next.

 

I hope he passes the bar.

[freesia]

55 minutes ago, Mrs Tiggywinkle said:

At this point I’m really just here to see what Derick is going to do next.

 

I gotta say, me, too. 

[DawnM]

2 hours ago, AbcdeDooDah said:

Todays the election and his old friend who testified posted on FB to discourage voting for Jim Bob. Jill’s husband Derick posted, too. It appears the cracks are getting  bigger.

 

https://www.facebook.com/jim.holt.1117

 

Derick’s reply:

It’s sad that this isn’t an isolated incident. I used to have much respect for Jim Bob, as my father-in-law, and I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt for years. Unfortunately, it’s only become clearer to us over time just how deep this man’s manipulation and deceit will go for his own gain, at the expense of others. He has lied to my wife and I numerous times. Contrary to his campaign, he does not believe in freedom, but his manipulation has resulted in what is akin to human trafficking. When confronted privately, he is not humble, but he is defensive and verbally abusive. When he says he cannot be bought, the truth is that he has a history of being a sellout to anything that he can personally profit from, and he will justify it however he wants to continue his personal agenda. Again, if he has lied and continues to lie to his best friends and his own family, will he LIE to YOU?!

Which of the boys courted this guy's daughter?

[freesia]

1 minute ago, DawnM said:

Which of the boys courted this guy's daughter?

Which guy? Derrick is married to Jill. Josh courted the Holt’s daughter. 

[Faith-manor]

8 minutes ago, DawnM said:

Which of the boys courted this guy's daughter?

Josh.

[DawnM]

1 minute ago, Faith-manor said:

Josh.

before Anna?   I didn't know he courted anyone else.

[historically accurate]

5 hours ago, DawnM said:

Sorry, I didn't put the date in.   Yes, earlier.   I was mainly focusing on that deplorable "rehab" facility and the r*pe charges against one of the pastors there.

The North Love Baptist Church/Reformers Unanimous is local to me. Here are some of the things that have come out in the past year.

August: https://www.bishop-accountability.org/2021/08/rockford-pastor-resigns-amid-sex-abuse-lawsuit-against-north-love-baptist-church/

October: https://www.mystateline.com/news/local-news/two-women-accuse-north-love-baptist-church-youth-leader-of-sexual-abuse/

 

Latest update (about 5 days ago): https://www.wifr.com/2021/12/10/new-sexual-assault-lawsuit-filed-against-former-north-love-baptist-member/

[Faith-manor]

24 minutes ago, DawnM said:

before Anna?   I didn't know he courted anyone else.

He had two failed court ships. One was with Kaeleigh Holt. Her parents found out what Josh did to his sisters,pulled the plug on it, and demanded that JB go to the police. This is why there was a split at their home church. Some couples supported Holts, others supported Duggars. Then a couple years later, Josh was still sweet on Kaeleigh and tried to rekindle the courtship. The Holts got even more of the truth out of Josh, and said something along the lines of hell no, and Bobye reported the family to police and CPS. Nothing was done because Mike Huckabee got involved and put pressure on CPS to close the case. Then Josh tried to court Marjorie, whose name I forget. It went on a couple months, and she and her parents put the frizzle on it. So JB went to Keller. Pa Keller, dirt poor and needing one less mouth to feed but apparently unable to reign in his own proclivities so more children would not be produced, agreed. If you watch the episode with the proposal, the Kellers were the chaperones that night. Josh asked to speak to her alone, and she begged her parents not to leave the table. Her parents audibly say to her that she will be okay. They left and douche proposed. She said no, but that was edited out though confirmed later by witnesses in the restaurant. Her parents talked to her and then they resumed filming when she changed her answer. What many viewers did not know was that they had only met three times. Josh told JB to ask Anna if he could court her. Instead, he proposed. This was also admitted to later.

Josh began referring to her as his own "working model" after that. 😠

 

Edited December 15, 2021 by Faith-manor

[AbcdeDooDah]

15 minutes ago, DawnM said:

before Anna?   I didn't know he courted anyone else.

Just the Holt's daughter. They're the ones who testified against Josh in the trial. 

Josiah is the one who courted Marjorie.