Heather in Neverland Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 ... in words like Often (Of-ten? or Off-en?) Interesting (in-ter-es-ting or inner-esting?) Sentence (sen-tence? or sen-nence?) OK, one more but not with a T... Kin-der-gar-ten or kinner-garden? Random, I know, but I am watching a course from The Teaching Company and this lecturer keeps saying "sennence" instead of "sentence" and it is driving me batty. Maybe it's regional? But it could be just me. :tongue_smilie: . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyJoy Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 I pronounce the "T" in all of them, except I think I am inconsistent with "often". And yes, I pronounce the "D" in "kindergarten." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theYoungerMrsWarde Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Yes. (Raised in California and Alaska.) Though I have a few times been complemented on my accent :confused: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraidycat Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 I pronounce the "T" in all of them, except I think I am inconsistent with "often". And yes, I pronounce the "D" in "kindergarten." This. Exactly. Sometimes a "t" in often, sometimes not. The rest are pronounced as spelled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annie Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 I pronounce the t (or d) in all of them except for often. I would say I'm probably 50/50 on that one. I'm from the upper Midwest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BakersDozen Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 "T" pronouncer here! I make my dc crazy when I stop them mid-sentence so they can repeat a word correctly. Today's focus word was "to" rather than "tuh". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tammi K Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 I make my dc crazy when I stop them mid-sentence so they can repeat a word correctly. Today's focus word was "to" rather than "tuh". How about 'gunna'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnTheBrink Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 I can't stand it when people don't pronounce the T in button or mountain or mitten. Buh-in Mow-in Mih-in :banghead: To answer the question, I don't pronounce the T in often, but I do in the other words listed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mom2Es Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 I don't pronounce the t in often because my third grade teacher had a serious peeve about people who pronounce the t in that word. She drilled it into us that we should never pronounce the t in often. And she was scary, so... (Actually, that led me to look it up, and without the /t/ is how it was for a very long time in British English and with the /t/ is more recent. It follows the same pattern as hasten, fasten, soften) As for the others: InTeresting Sentence can go either way. I probably say it without the t more often, but when I'm talking to my kids, who can't spell, I am usually careful to say it with the t sound. I always say the 'd' sound in kindergarten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lailasmum Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 I pronounce the t in all of those examples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In the Rain Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 The t in often is probably 50/50. I can't figure out a pattern to when I use it though. I think I hit all the letters in kindergarten and sentence. I don't think I've heard sennence before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassy Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 I always pronounce the 't' in all of those words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laura Corin Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Bearing in mind that I'm a darn Brit: I say a T in almost all of those words. For some reason I go back and forth with 'often'. How do you pronounce 'forehead'? I was brought up to say 'foh-red' (short 'o') but hear 'fore-head' more often these days. Laura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joyofsixreboot Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 In professional speech I pronounce it. In everyday life I do not offen say the "t" in inneresting sennences. I'm gonna git tuh it tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BugsMama Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 I pronounce the "t" in all of those. Southern California raised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoot Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 I pronounce the "t" in all of those except kindergarten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MamaT Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 I pronounce the "t" in all of those, except often. I was taught that it is silent in that particular word. That was in the late 60's, and I think it is okay either way now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kolamum Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelingChris Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 I say a t in everything except often. I grew up in Virginia but have now lived all over America and overseas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan in SC Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 I pronounce the "t" in all of those, except often. I was taught that it is silent in that particular word. That was in the late 60's, and I think it is okay either way now. It is silent!!!! - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassy Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 It is silent!!!! - You're right. I just looked it up in my Oxford Dictionary of English. I still prefer to pronounce the 't' though :001_smile:. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kewb Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 I pronounce the "T" in all of them, except I think I am inconsistent with "often". And yes, I pronounce the "D" in "kindergarten." :iagree: Same here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Elf Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 often, interesting, sentence: yes, I pronounce the t kindergarten - I say kindergarden :blush: The dictionary has this for often: /ˈôf(t)ən, which I take to mean the t is optional, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvasMom Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Yes, I pronounce them and make my kids do the same. I'm even pickier about it since we moved to Kentucky a couple of months ago. *twitch twitch* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mom22ns Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 I pronounce the Ts in those words, although, sometimes often can become a slurred offen. Kindergarten is kindergarden (in fact I was an adult before I could spell that word correctly). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamela H in Texas Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 (edited) T sounds in often, sentence, and interesting every time. But I say "kindergarden." No T sounds in hasten, fasten, and soften. Inconsistent T sounds in button, mitten, and mountain. I can't figure out why though! There doesn't seem to be a pattern. I will say we enunciate a LOT with so many littles. My little people came to us with the worst speech and grammar. The issue this week is saying "bee-sep" for except. It used to be "uh-ten" for pretend also. BLAH! And now we have two toddlers so try to be careful about pronunciation. Monkey really enunciates most things, almost to an extreme. She has a definite /w/ at the end of wow. Cup is almost two syllables because of the sounded p at the end (btw, she can now spell cup also!). Oh, but to make this relevant to the conversation, she has almost no /t/ in the middle of BOTTLE. We regularly mess up ball/bottle because she says them SO similarly (though not exactly the same). Edited September 25, 2012 by 2J5M9K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abbeyej Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 All except "often" -- I believe "ofTen" is still considered a "nonstandard" pronunciation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenny in Florida Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 (edited) Often (Of-ten? or Off-en?) Interesting (in-ter-es-ting or inner-esting?) Sentence (sen-tence? or sen-nence?) OK, one more but not with a T... Kin-der-gar-ten or kinner-garden? Somewhere in between of-ten and off-fen for me, with a very soft 't.' In-ter-es-ting. Sen-tence. Kin-der-garden. But it could be just me. Nope. Not just you. Edit: I forgot to say I was raised in Southern California. Edit again: Is anyone else thinking of Gilbert and Sullivan? Edited September 25, 2012 by Jenny in Florida Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrothead Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 (edited) I pronounce all of the "missing" letters. Oh, I'm a navy brat. Edited September 25, 2012 by Parrothead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathryn Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 I pronounce the T in all. When we were doing Sing, Spell, Read, and Write, they said often was a "rule breaker" because the T wasn't pronounced. That blew my mind. I asked about it on FB and everyone who replied found that odd also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrothead Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Bearing in mind that I'm a darn Brit: I say a T in almost all of those words. For some reason I go back and forth with 'often'. How do you pronounce 'forehead'? I was brought up to say 'foh-red' (short 'o') but hear 'fore-head' more often these days. Laura I say fore-head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boscopup Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 North Alabama here, but in a "northern town", so it's a good mix of dialects (not all southern drawl), plus my mom is a New Yorker. :D Often (Of-ten? or Off-en?) Off-en usually, but sometimes I'll say of-ten. My oldest son says of-ten. :D Interesting (in-ter-es-ting or inner-esting?) in-trest-ing or in-ter-es-ting Usually the first one. Sentence (sen-tence? or sen-nence?) sen-tence Kin-der-gar-ten or kinner-garden? kin-der-gar-den Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boscopup Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 I pronounce the T in all. When we were doing Sing, Spell, Read, and Write, they said often was a "rule breaker" because the T wasn't pronounced. That blew my mind. I asked about it on FB and everyone who replied found that odd also. Dictionary.com says this: Pronunciation note Often was pronounced with a t -sound until the 17th century, when a pronunciation without the [t] came to predominate in the speech of the educated, in both North America and Great Britain, and the earlier pronunciation fell into disfavor. Common use of a spelling pronunciation has since restored the [t] for many speakers, and today [aw-fuhn] and [awf-tuhn] [or [of-uhn] and [of-tuhn]] exist side by side. Although it is still sometimes criticized, often with a [t] is now so widely heard from educated speakers that it has become fully standard once again. That explains why I say "of-fen" most of the time, but I say the 't' in other words. I'm just well educated! :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeFe Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 I pronounce those "t's" as well as the "d" in kindergarten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stripe Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Apparently the "t" in words like "often" is not supposed to be pronounced. But anyway, it's not the same as skipping the "t" in "interesting." At all. That sounds sloppy. You can read about "often" here: http://www.pbs.org/speak/speech/beastly/#Often with a lot of funny quotations (In 1932 the English lexicographer Henry Cecil Wyld called AWF-tin “vulgar” and “sham-refined,”), and note they group it with words like listen, moisten, and Christmas. So it is a separate category of words. Do you pronounce the "l" in "palm" and "almond"? Apparently those are supposed to be silent letters too, but aren't much anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boscopup Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 How do you pronounce 'forehead'? I was brought up to say 'foh-red' (short 'o') but hear 'fore-head' more often these days. I had never heard anyone say 'foh-red', but Life of Fred said that was the way to pronounce it. I was confused. :confused: Sure enough, the dictionary says either one is correct. I've always said and heard 'fore-head'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boscopup Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Do you pronounce the "l" in "palm" and "almond"? Apparently those are supposed to be silent letters too, but aren't much anymore. I say something closer to 'pawm' and 'aw-mond'. There might be a twitch of an 'l' sound in there, but it's hardly noticeable. Not as much as "all". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8circles Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 (edited) ... in words like Often (Of-ten? or Off-en?) Interesting (in-ter-es-ting or inner-esting?) Sentence (sen-tence? or sen-nence?) OK, one more but not with a T... Kin-der-gar-ten or kinner-garden? Random, I know, but I am watching a course from The Teaching Company and this lecturer keeps saying "sennence" instead of "sentence" and it is driving me batty. Maybe it's regional? But it could be just me. :tongue_smilie: . I don't do either, except often pronounced 'offen' just like 'soften'. I don't consider that wrong or sloppy, its how was taught in school. Its pronunciation seems to follow trends and the current one is to pronounce the 't'. The others are pronounced with a more of a 'd' sound, though not precisely. So, in-der-esting, sen-dence, etc. It isn't a clear 'd', like kindergarten. Interesting is sometimes 'intresting'. Edited September 25, 2012 by momoflaw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laura Corin Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 I say something closer to 'pawm' and 'aw-mond'. There might be a twitch of an 'l' sound in there, but it's hardly noticeable. Not as much as "all". Pahm and ahmuhnd is how I pronounce them. Laura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laura Corin Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 I had never heard anyone say 'foh-red', but Life of Fred said that was the way to pronounce it. I was confused. :confused: Sure enough, the dictionary says either one is correct. I've always said and heard 'fore-head'. They put their children (my parents) into private schools where they learned to speak in the RP (received pronunciation) of southern England. If you've ever seen 'Brief Encounter', that's an example of how my mother speaks. That accent was what I learned too, but it has slipped a little. Laura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the4Rs Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 I say Offen In-trest-ing or inner-est-ing but never in-ter-esting Sentence with a t sound Kindergarten with the d sound edited to add: I have lived all over: Alaska, Michigan, Indiana, Oregon...so I probably have a mutt dialect. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassy Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 They put their children (my parents) into private schools where they learned to speak in the RP (received pronunciation) of southern England. If you've ever seen 'Brief Encounter', that's an example of how my mother speaks. That accent was what I learned too, but it has slipped a little. Laura My mother was working-class North of England, she always pronounced it foh-red. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QueenCat Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 I don't pronounce the t in often because my third grade teacher had a serious peeve about people who pronounce the t in that word. She drilled it into us that we should never pronounce the t in often. And she was scary, so... (Actually, that led me to look it up, and without the /t/ is how it was for a very long time in British English and with the /t/ is more recent. It follows the same pattern as hasten, fasten, soften) That's funny.... I had a high school English teacher who would stop you if you did NOT pronounce the "t" in often. I use the "t" in all of the original words mentioned... except kindergarten, which comes out like a "g". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TN Mama Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 ... in words like Often (Of-ten? or Off-en?) Interesting (in-ter-es-ting or inner-esting?) Sentence (sen-tence? or sen-nence?) OK, one more but not with a T... Kin-der-gar-ten or kinner-garden? Random, I know, but I am watching a course from The Teaching Company and this lecturer keeps saying "sennence" instead of "sentence" and it is driving me batty. Maybe it's regional? But it could be just me. :tongue_smilie: . I pronounce the T in all but often. Although, I sometimes do. And I do pronounce the D in Kindergarten. I can't stand it when people don't pronounce the T in button or mountain or mitten. Buh-in Mow-in Mih-in :banghead: When I lived in Maine, the above is exactly how those words were pronounced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thescrappyhomeschooler Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 I pronounce it in all of those except often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laura Corin Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 My mother was working-class North of England, she always pronounced it foh-red. I rarely hear 'foh-red' these days. Laura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MommaOfalotta Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 I live in southern Ohio.. aka "Ohiya." All of my older family members say "tomatah" instead of tomato, etc. I dont do that but I dont pronounce T's in a lot of words. Kindergarten= Kindergarden Congratulations= Congradulations As for how I pronounce other words like sentence, mountain, etc.. I have no clue how to spell it out phonetically. Its almost like a sharp "eh" sound? Its funny you asked, because Ive often (oftden) wondered who pronounces the t's.:001_smile: It sounds funny if I try to. Please pardon any typos... I'm feeding baby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassy Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 I rarely hear 'foh-red' these days. Laura Yes, I must admit that even though I was brought up with 'foh-red' I now say 'fore-head'. It actually reminds me of a rhyme my mum used to say when I was a little girl: There was a little girl Who had a little curl Right in the middle of her forehead When she was good she was very, very good But when she was bad she was horrid :D (The 'for-red' and 'horrid' kind of rhyming). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellie Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 I don't always say it in "often," but the others...always. Probably it's my Spalding training kicking in to remind me to have precise speech. :) I think about things like that after working with a girl in my little one-room school. While waiting for her books to arrive when she enrolled after the start of school, I gave her some busy work (not all busy work is bad, lol), some of which consisted of writing out number words. She did fine with 1-19, but when she got to the 20s, it was "twenny-one, twenny-two, twenny-three..." :001_huh: And I realized that it is not uncommon for us to say it that way. I have pronounced that "t" clearly ever since. I watched a design show where the designer said "assessory" instead of "ac-cessory." :001_huh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
besroma Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 I pronounce the t in all of those examples. :iagree: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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