unsinkable Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30710883 "Gunmen have attacked the Paris office of French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo, killing 11 people and injuring 10, French officials say. Witnesses spoke of sustained gunfire at the office as the attackers opened fire with assault rifles. The satirical weekly has courted controversy in the past with its take on news and current affairs." This is horrible. I feel sick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creekland Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 This is horrible. I feel sick. Same here. It's a sad world we're living in when individuals (or groups) impose the death penalty on others so readily and without remorse. Live and let live is dying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenmom5 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 creekland, on 07 Jan 2015 - 04:16 AM, said: Same here. It's a sad world we're living in when individuals (or groups) impose the death penalty on others so readily and without remorse. Live and let live is dying. the death penalty? you make it sound like it was a legal proceeding. it. was. not. it was hate-filled cold blooded murder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creekland Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 the death penalty? you make it sound like it was a legal proceeding. it. was. not. it was hate-filled cold blooded murder. I had no intent whatsoever of making it appear like anything legal. At school, I've found kids catch the concept better when I relate such murders to the death penalty in this type of form. They know the death penalty requires a heinous crime that is (hopefully) proven and deserves such a severe penalty. It's kind of set in their minds already by high school age. But with all the shootings lately, some were starting to justify a few of them - broke up with girlfriend? Of course you'd feel emotional and want to show it. :glare: Disagree with what someone is doing? Sometimes it can be justified. :glare: :glare: When I make the connection to the death penalty over such "crimes" they "get it" and no longer see the justification in it at all. At this point, I'm willing to use whatever it takes to get them to see the fallacy in all this "normal" that they are growing up with. The connection is supposed to appear foolish. What is happening IS foolish - deadly so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firefly Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenmom5 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 creekland, on 07 Jan 2015 - 05:04 AM, said:creekland, on 07 Jan 2015 - 05:04 AM, said: I had no intent whatsoever of making it appear like anything legal. At school, I've found kids catch the concept better when I relate such murders to the death penalty in this type of form. They know the death penalty requires a heinous crime that is (hopefully) proven and deserves such a severe penalty. It's kind of set in their minds already by high school age. But with all the shootings lately, some were starting to justify a few of them - broke up with girlfriend? Of course you'd feel emotional and want to show it. :glare: Disagree with what someone is doing? Sometimes it can be justified. :glare: :glare: When I make the connection to the death penalty over such "crimes" they "get it" and no longer see the justification in it at all. At this point, I'm willing to use whatever it takes to get them to see the fallacy in all this "normal" that they are growing up with. The connection is supposed to appear foolish. What is happening IS foolish - deadly so. I can see where you are dealing with clueless teenagers and trying to get the message through to them. the hive is not filled with clueless teenagers who need things put in perspective. I wasn't even able to articulate my horror at what happened. I think even my referring to it as murder was just inadequate. an act of war perhaps. . . . eta: no, I don't think that is hyperbole. these terrorist groups think they are legitimate political authorities, and seek to impose their will by force in the most heinous manner. they attacked people in a sovereign country where they have no legal political authority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garga Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Same here. It's a sad world we're living in when individuals (or groups) impose the death penalty on others so readily and without remorse. Live and let live is dying. I got what you meant. I think that's a good, sobering way of looking at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisbeth Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 . nm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mom2scouts Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Ugh, I should have heeded the video warning that said "Graphic". I really didn't need to start my morning seeing an injured person on the sidewalk being killed at close range. :crying: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanny Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 12 dead and 15 injured. Apparently this was done by Islamic Terrorists. . I hope they catch them. Sad news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Word Nerd Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Horrible. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albeto. Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 the death penalty? you make it sound like it was a legal proceeding. it. was. not. it was hate-filled cold blooded murder. I see it as a death penalty as well. A penalty issued through the "office" of vigilante justice, the penalty for blaspheme. Blaspheme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppy Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I heard about it on the news this morning and felt terrible. My heart goes out to the people of Paris today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snickerdoodle Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Not a death penalty, a summary execution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris in VA Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 So sad. Horrifying, really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anne in CA Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 My fondest hope is that these vile murderers are caught and put on trial so that their actions are help up for all to see. That will be the worst punishment for them. Certainly they hope to be gunned down themselves and become martyrs if they get caught. I really, really hope they do not get to become "martyrs" for their movement. I hope they lose all their dignity in the court process and rot in jail for all to see, the object of scorn that they deserve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happi duck Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurie Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 "Allons enfants de la Patrie..." La Marseillaise, English translation: http://french.about.com/library/weekly/aa071400ma.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albeto. Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 My fondest hope is that these vile murderers are caught and put on trial so that their actions are help up for all to see. That will be the worst punishment for them. Certainly they hope to be gunned down themselves and become martyrs if they get caught. I really, really hope they do not get to become "martyrs" for their movement. I hope they lose all their dignity in the court process and rot in jail for all to see, the object of scorn that they deserve. I'm just petty and peeved enough to hope the judge is a woman, too. Anything to twist the proverbial knife into their repulsive, delusional, dangerous beliefs. ETA: But on calmer reflection, I genuinely hope that blaspheme laws are completely overturned, and the value of freedom of speech, and a tolerance for criticism of ideas become the goal of 2015. This crap has got to end before we do ourselves in. "The moment you declare a set of ideas to be immune from criticism, satire, derision, or contempt, freedom of thought becomes impossible." Salman Rushdie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Word Nerd Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Some cartoonists have already responded. Some powerful images here. View at your own discretion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truscifi Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Horrible. :crying: The way things have been lately, we need a sobbing emoticon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemiSweet Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 So horrible. I just have no words. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mom in High Heels Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 This is just so sad. It breaks my heart. Of course this morning my FB feed was filled with posts on how this was all the Democrats and Obama's fault. WTF? Quit making everything political and just mourn for the people lost and injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catwoman Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 :crying: :crying: :crying: Those poor people. :( They went to work just like every other day, and then this happened. It is beyond horrific and terrifying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrub Jay Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Some cartoonists have already responded. Some powerful images here. View at your own discretion. Thank you for sharing this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stacia Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Some cartoonists have already responded. Some powerful images here. View at your own discretion. Another website of possible interest: Reporters without Borders http://en.rsf.org/ Ironically, Reporters without Borders was founded in France. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umsami Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Saw it this morning and was so disgusted and disheartened. I was happily surprised by the number of Muslim orgs, Imams, etc. who came out strongly against it...even the Arab League and Al Azhar. I only had one person on my Facebook feed post any sort of conspiracy type posts (not really Muslims, must have been the CIA-type posts). I wish CAIR and ISNA would post the Charlie HEbdo cartoons and say something along the lines that although we don't agree we these, we support free speech. CAIR condemned the attacks, but I'd like to see something stronger. But, my guess is they're afraid of offending their donor base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slartibartfast Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 France does not have the death penalty so if they were caught alive then they would be imprisoned. I feel sick. I hope they are caught swiftly and brought to justice. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrub Jay Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Some powerful photos here. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/vigils-europe-charlie-hebdo-photos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stacia Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 In case you are interested, perhaps an interesting opinion piece from The Economist about Paris today re: the power of words (& art)... http://www.economist.com/blogs/prospero/2015/01/johnson-blasphemy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppy Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 This is just so sad. It breaks my heart. Of course this morning my FB feed was filled with posts on how this was all the Democrats and Obama's fault. WTF? Quit making everything political and just mourn for the people lost and injured. That's disgusting. The day of the murders. What on earth is wrong with people? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slartibartfast Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 This is just so sad. It breaks my heart. Of course this morning my FB feed was filled with posts on how this was all the Democrats and Obama's fault. WTF? Quit making everything political and just mourn for the people lost and injured. That's insane. It is an entirely different country. People need to lay off the stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umsami Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Well, they caught two of the gunmen and the third guy is dead. Good. I'm glad that there will be a trial. I hope the French police can find out other information about the organization who planned this, etc. I liked this piece by this guy http://www.patheos.com/blogs/muslimahnextdoor/2015/01/jesuischarlie-when-will-clemency-and-kindness-prevail-over-extremism/#ixzz3OAprgTYe One of the police officers who was killed was named Ahmed Merabet. He was 42. He was Muslim. He was the guy who was shot execution style on the sidewalk. http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/07/ahmed-merabet-cop-killed-in-paris-attacks-was-muslim/ I'll also point out that the bombing of the NAACP office in Colorado is not getting much press here. Why? I find that extremely troubling. http://www.newsweek.com/naacp-chapter-bombing-colorado-springs-deliberate-says-fbi-297399 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeteranMom Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Very sad that something like this happened. I don't believe in the right to walk through life and be kept safe from everything that will offend me. I posted my support for the right of newspapers and magazines to publish these cartoons a few years ago on a facebook news story link. I received threats from random facebook members. Unfortunately, there are many more people like these gunmen out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slartibartfast Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/07/us-france-shooting-idUSKBN0KG0Y120150107 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jane in NC Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Banksy weighs in... https://mobile.twitter.com/bkjabour/status/552983615747796994/photo/1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrub Jay Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Just read one gunman is dead and 2 arrested. http://www.aol.com/article/2015/01/07/gunmen-who-stormed-charlie-hebdo-offices-killing-12-identified/21126406/?icid=maing-grid7|maing11|dl1|sec1_lnk1%26pLid%3D594880 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slartibartfast Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Banksy weighs in... https://mobile.twitter.com/bkjabour/status/552983615747796994/photo/1 I love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenmom5 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 umsami, on 07 Jan 2015 - 4:23 PM, said: One of the police officers who was killed was named Ahmed Merabet. He was 42. He was Muslim. He was the guy who was shot execution style on the sidewalk. http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/07/ahmed-merabet-cop-killed-in-paris-attacks-was-muslim/ as I have pointed out to people - these monsters will kill anyone in their way. including muslims who do not support them, who they see as heretics. I keep seeing links to the video of the (don't remember which country) police trainees who are lined up and slaughtered by isis. like the teachers who tried to protect their students in the school that were massacred. they were all muslim, but just wanting to live their lives. makes me sick. and what people also need to be reminded of - most violent muslim deaths are at the hands of other muslims. so - I can see why they showed him no mercy. he was a police officer and they saw him as a heretic. says all you need to know about them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerileanne99 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Absolutely dreadful. This struck really, really close to home as we caught it on the news--as we were leaving Paris on our Eurostar train. Our hotel was right near there:( We happened to sit next to a man on the Eurostar who is a pilot living in Paris with his family. He has dual citizenship in France and Iraq, and he was terrified at how this will effect his Muslim family and young daughters, and devastated that it happened in his home city. Such a horrific thing:(( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stacia Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I like this editorial from the LA Times... Cartoonist Ted Rall remembers Charlie Hebdo's martyrs for free speech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albeto. Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 and what people also need to be reminded of - most violent muslim deaths are at the hands of other muslims. Why? Of what value is that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albeto. Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I'm glad to see several news sites republishing some of the Charlie Hebdo cartoons. Me too. I imagine Draw Muhammad Day will be a big deal this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmilyK Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Surviving journalists and ex-colleagues will band together to ensure Charlie Hebdo comes out next week. The best kind of defiance. I'm so glad to hear this. I was hoping this was the case. I am very troubled about the major media that won't republish the Charlie Hebdo cartoons. Despite all the "je suis Charlie" handwringing, if the media won't show these cartoons, they are acknowledging the cartoons should be censored. http://money.cnn.com/2015/01/07/media/charlie-hebdo-terror-attack-media-mohammed-cartoons/index.html I would like to find a way to pressure these media outlets to change their policies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umsami Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Why? Of what value is that? Because people tend to view things like this as a war against the West, when by far, the victims of Muslim extremists are other Muslims. I have seen some encouraging posts/tweets from Muslim organizations wanting to discuss issues regarding blasphemy in lieu of the bombings. That could be very promising. I've also seen many many posts along the lines of the cartoons are no where near as offensive as the killing of innocent people is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umsami Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I changed my profile pic on Facebook to a cartoon that features Muhammad up in heaven, with a Charlie Hebdo smilie (well frown) button. There's a little knife sticking out...and the guys are saying..."We have avenged you! No one will dare to cartoon you ever again!" and Mohammed (peace be upon him) is saying "Those people are $*)#() insane!" You can see it here: http://mashable.com/2015/01/07/cartoonists-react-hebd-massacre/?utm_cid=mash-com-fb-main-link None of my Muslim friends have threatened to kill me for having a cartoon featuring the Prophet. Imagine that. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Word Nerd Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 None of the suspects died. Earlier reports were unconfirmed and turned out to be wrong (at least based on current reports). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenmom5 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 albeto., on 07 Jan 2015 - 8:08 PM, said:Why? Of what value is that? because there is a lot of rhetoric in the west equating all muslims as jihadists who will kill those who don't believe as they do. as was pointed out earlier - the marches in Germany. the fact is - there are many more who just want to live their lives and raise their families. and they are as much at risk from these terrorists as the rest of us. to me, it's exactly the same as calling all blacks criminal thugs just because there are a fair percentage that are. there are also honest and hardworking blacks, some of whom are even police officers. or all Hispanics as illegal immigrants. (and there are segments of the Hispanic population that assumes if you're Hispanic, you're here illegally and they can make money off you. My ex-sil told me of her experiences when she lived in Miami. - she's Columbian - she hated it and was glad to get away from there.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenmom5 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Word Nerd, on 07 Jan 2015 - 9:23 PM, said:None of the suspects died. Earlier reports were unconfirmed and turned out to be wrong (at least based on current reports). pity. but probably better he couldn't receive the moniker of martyr among the nutso. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negin Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 :closedeyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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