Scarlett Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 7.2 pounds is not the same at 7 pounds and 2 ounces right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forget-Me-Not Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 No, it’s 7 and 2/10 of a pound . . . So 7 and 3.2 oz if I mathed right in my head. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catz Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 No. 7.2 lbs = 7 lbs 3.2 oz 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danae Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 Correct. An ounce is .0625 lb, so 7lbs 2oz is 7.125 pounds . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlett Posted April 18, 2023 Author Share Posted April 18, 2023 Thank you. That is what I came up with too….. I just had someone report a baby’s birth weight to me and she said 7.2. I said 7 pounds 2 ounces? (Because I have never heard baby’s weight reported as point anything.). She said yes. But later she put down 7.2 again and so I asked her, ‘are they saying it like that? 7.2? Or are they saying, 7 pounds 2 ounces. She said, same thing. And I just said ‘close enough I guess.’ it is driving me nuts that she thinks that is the same thing. Why do these things bother me? 2 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forget-Me-Not Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 That would annoy the heck out of me too. Whether or not I’d attempt to correct it would depend on my relationship with the person doing it. This would not be a problem if we’d all just go metric 😬 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catz Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 As a person with a math degree that would make me crazy too! WRONG! 🤣🤪 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKL Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 LOL it's wrong, but don't let it bother you. Not significant. I remember how I cringed when my SIL told her kid (in a tone that said "my kid's gonna grow up smart") that the spine was "the bone in your back." I'm still not sure if she actually believed there was only one bone in your back. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annie G Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 It bugs me, too, but I think non mathy people hear a nurse say 7 2 and assume 7.2, not 7 pounds 2 ounces. I know it shouldn’t annoy me, but it does. Probably because I felt like I always had people questioning whether our homeschooled kids were learning enough. And clearly some people should have been more worried about their own kids’ math education. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa in Australia Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 Could the person be more familiar with decimal? I wouldn't know what 7.2 pounds was without deep thought. I have never seen pounds and ounces written in that way. All my pounds and ounce experiance is only with cooking Decimal is so much more simpler, no fractions involved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlett Posted April 18, 2023 Author Share Posted April 18, 2023 Just now, Melissa in Australia said: Could the person be more familiar with decimal? I wouldn't know what 7.2 pounds was without deep thought. I have never seen pounds and ounces written in that way. All my pounds and ounce experiance is only with cooking Decimal is so much more simpler, no fractions involved No. I feel quite certain she was being told by the nurses 7 pounds 2 ounces but wrote 7.2 in the text to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausmumof3 Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 Lol… spend a significant amount of time trying to teach Y5 ds not to do this last year and we don’t even use pounds and ounces except when talking about babies 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlett Posted April 18, 2023 Author Share Posted April 18, 2023 I would like to stop caring about this kind of stuff. When I read back over the text I can see that I should have never questioned her at all when she put 7.2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa in Australia Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 4 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said: Lol… spend a significant amount of time trying to teach Y5 ds not to do this last year and we don’t even use pounds and ounces except when talking about babies Yes I use to refer to babies in pounds and ounces but dh would always go on about English pounds and some other type of pounds of a different weight used in North America. So confusing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katy Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Scarlett said: Why do these things bother me? Because you’re not stupid and it bugs you when someone is so carelessly imprecise, it’s like a lie. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corraleno Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 54 minutes ago, SKL said: I remember how I cringed when my SIL told her kid (in a tone that said "my kid's gonna grow up smart") that the spine was "the bone in your back." I'm still not sure if she actually believed there was only one bone in your back. My DD briefly belonged to a homeschool Brownie troop, and during an animal identification activity one of the moms was absolutely adamant that snakes were invertebrates. A few of the kids, including DD, kept insisting that snakes were vertebrates, and she was getting more and more annoyed until she blurted out what she thought was the ultimate gotcha: "How could a snake wiggle if it had a big ol' bone down the middle???" 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wintermom Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 26 minutes ago, Melissa in Australia said: Yes I use to refer to babies in pounds and ounces but dh would always go on about English pounds and some other type of pounds of a different weight used in North America. So confusing. Wait! There are different pounds in England than in the US? I know in England people often use "stone" (14 pounds) for body weight measurement, I thought an Imperial pound (0.45 kg) was the same no matter which country your were in. Google tells me this is so. 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlett Posted April 19, 2023 Author Share Posted April 19, 2023 37 minutes ago, Katy said: Because you’re not stupid and it bugs you when someone is so carelessly imprecise, it’s like a lie. I honestly think she is completely unaware there is a difference. And not intellectually curious enough to think my confusion could be a sign she was missing something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKL Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 TBH I wonder if she saw your "7 pounds 2 oz?" and thought "oh my, she doesn't seem to know about metrics, and I'm not going to embarrass her ..." 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa in Australia Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 (edited) 30 minutes ago, wintermom said: Wait! There are different pounds in England than in the US? I know in England people often use "stone" (14 pounds) for body weight measurement, I thought an Imperial pound (0.45 kg) was the same no matter which country your were in. Google tells me this is so. 😉 My Canadian dh has always been adiment that English pounds are different to the ones used in Canada and USA. I haven't the slightest idea as I use metric. The only time I use pounds are old recipes in cooking. Then I go by 4 Oz is 125 grams of butter. Edited April 19, 2023 by Melissa in Australia spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wintermom Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Melissa in Australia said: My Canadian dh has always been adiment that English pounds are different to the ones used in Canada and USA. I haven't the slightest idea as I use metric. The Imperial pound is what is used in Canada (I'm Canadian), and going by the name "imperial" it's also used in England. US uses the Imperial pound as well. There appears to be a US ton and an Imperial ton. Perhaps your dh is thinking of this? Edited April 19, 2023 by wintermom 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa in Australia Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 Just googled. Us conversion Oz to grams would come up with 4 Oz 113 grams Australian conversion is this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa in Australia Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 Maybe Australia made up there own conversion to make it easier for ourselves? Or maybe I have been confused forever and only measure liquid in millilitres and solids in grams and never heard of measuring liquid ounces that are different to solids ounces??????? I am getting more and more confused as I type. The recipes worked that is all I know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa in Australia Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 (edited) Oh I found this chart so maybe I am right? It has 500 grams as 1 pound. That was what I was taught in primary school Edited April 19, 2023 by Melissa in Australia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlett Posted April 19, 2023 Author Share Posted April 19, 2023 21 minutes ago, SKL said: TBH I wonder if she saw your "7 pounds 2 oz?" and thought "oh my, she doesn't seem to know about metrics, and I'm not going to embarrass her ..." If babies in America were measured in metric that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garga Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 (edited) I had a conversation with a homeschooling mom that I didn’t know very well who thought that Haiti and Hades were the same place. I felt like a deer in headlights thinking, “Wait…do I tell her…what do I do? That’s so weird. How could she think they’re the same place?” and the moment passed. It’s been 15 years and obviously, I’m still thinking about it! Edited April 19, 2023 by Garga 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happi duck Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 I am totally fine with people not knowing things. No one can know everything. It does bother me though when people don't want to know things to the point of thinking it doesn't even matter. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlett Posted April 19, 2023 Author Share Posted April 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, happi duck said: I am totally fine with people not knowing things. No one can know everything. It does bother me though when people don't want to know things to the point of thinking it doesn't even matter. Yes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maize Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 25 minutes ago, Melissa in Australia said: Just googled. Us conversion Oz to grams would come up with 4 Oz 113 grams Australian conversion is this I think fluid ounces are different from non-fluid ounces. Maybe? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa in Australia Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 How confusing Maybe when cooking in Australia we use different ounces to grams conversion ???? I wouldn't put it past us Australians to have just rounded the ounces to grams evenly when we did the conversion in the 60s to metric and say we are using English ounces to grams. We Aussies have been known to do that kind of thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcadia Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 18 minutes ago, Melissa in Australia said: How confusing Maybe when cooking in Australia we use different ounces to grams conversion ???? I wouldn't put it past us Australians to have just rounded the ounces to grams evenly when we did the conversion in the 60s to metric and say we are using English ounces to grams. We Aussies have been known to do that kind of thing. In asia when cooking at home, we just approximate so 1 kg is 2.2lbs For some medication by infusion here, the dosage goes by weight for adults as well. So for adults below 100lbs they have to adjust the dosage and is not supposed to give the full dose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenmom5 Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 No. 0.2 - is 2/10ths (or 1/5th) of a lb. there are 16 oz in a lb. 2 ounces is 1/8th of a lb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaughingCat Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 Fluid ounces measure liquid volume and ounces measure weight 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenmom5 Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 3 hours ago, Scarlett said: Thank you. That is what I came up with too….. I just had someone report a baby’s birth weight to me and she said 7.2. I said 7 pounds 2 ounces? (Because I have never heard baby’s weight reported as point anything.). She said yes. But later she put down 7.2 again and so I asked her, ‘are they saying it like that? 7.2? Or are they saying, 7 pounds 2 ounces. She said, same thing. And I just said ‘close enough I guess.’ it is driving me nuts that she thinks that is the same thing. Why do these things bother me? people who don't fully grasp math - may not understand the difference. if you understand the difference, it would bug you. but then - my son is an engineer . . . many things bug him . . . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenmom5 Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 7 minutes ago, Arcadia said: For some medication by infusion here, the dosage goes by weight for adults as well. So for adults below 100lbs they have to adjust the dosage and is not supposed to give the full dose. I guess I've heard one too many horror stories from 2dd. (Hospital PharmD) Many meds have different concentrations, and that seriously affects dose. so it's not just "how much does the patient weigh?" - it's "what is the concentration of the drug?" that affects the dose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcadia Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, gardenmom5 said: I guess I've heard one too many horror stories from 2dd. (Hospital PharmD) Many meds have different concentrations, and that seriously affects dose. so it's not just "how much does the patient weigh?" - it's "what is the concentration of the drug?" that affects the dose. My oncologist is very specific in his instructions and I picked the infusion center that the nurses are much more careful (the second time) instead of chatting and not looking when administering the dosage. My first time was full dose by mistake at the not as good location. I weigh under 100lbs and they knew it because they took my weight at every checkin. Edited April 19, 2023 by Arcadia Clarification 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlett Posted April 19, 2023 Author Share Posted April 19, 2023 The thing is I feel like a very non mathy person. I guess all those years of teaching my son paid off. But really it is a lack of curiosity more than anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brittany1116 Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 I had a feeling this was related to the weight of a baby. I have seen this a lot since I had my second child... nurses and other mothers reporting weights with a decimal. They always mean 7.2 as 7 lb 2 oz but that's not what decimals mean and it frustrates me. I am convinced it is a common nursing shorthand now. It is unfortunate because, as evidenced by recent posts on this board, precision and clarity with reporting weight gain in infants is incredibly important. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenmom5 Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Brittany1116 said: I had a feeling this was related to the weight of a baby. I have seen this a lot since I had my second child... nurses and other mothers reporting weights with a decimal. They always mean 7.2 as 7 lb 2 oz but that's not what decimals mean and it frustrates me. I am convinced it is a common nursing shorthand now. It is unfortunate because, as evidenced by recent posts on this board, precision and clarity with reporting weight gain in infants is incredibly important. Not just infants. The definitive example is that Mars probe . . . . big, huge, mistake . . very, very, expensive . . . . I didn't know NASA had that many eggs . . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenmom5 Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Arcadia said: My oncologist is very specific in his instructions and I picked the infusion center that the nurses are much more careful (the second time) instead of chatting and not looking when administering the dosage. My first time was full dose by mistake at the not as good location. I weigh under 100lbs and they knew it because they took my weight at every checkin. All about training. dd is a stickler when training. not just the techs under her, she lectures nurses. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcadia Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 10 minutes ago, gardenmom5 said: All about training. dd is a stickler when training. not just the techs under her, she lectures nurses. In my case, it was more about attitude and complacency. At the other center, when nurses are unsure, they would call an experienced nurse to verify and sometimes to watch just to make sure they don’t do wrongly. Both places have more nurses available than patients so they aren’t short staffed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKL Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 (edited) Well I often type dates as 2023.04.19 and telephone numbers as 312.665.4321, so I could see it being a shorthand if everyone in the industry uses it the same way. These conversations make me worry for one of my kids, who is terrified of both math and cooking/measuring. I honestly doubt she knows or cares that there are 16 ounces in a pound. And I say this as a person who is the exact opposite. If we could will our kids to grow up knowledgeable and precise, well .... Edited April 19, 2023 by SKL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa in Australia Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 31 minutes ago, gardenmom5 said: Not just infants. The definitive example is that Mars probe . . . . big, huge, mistake . . very, very, expensive . . . . I didn't know NASA had that many eggs . . . . That space rocket that blew up and killed astronauts in the (was it) 80s. Was because some part put in was in imperial measurements instead of metric Huge mistake. All aerospace students here in Australia are taught about that simple but massive mistake with measuring Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocolate-chip chooky Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 Oh goodness, that would bother me too, and I'd have trouble keeping my mouth shut. Another example is when people refer to a child's age as something like 2.8. I think they usually are meaning 2yr8months, and not 2yr and 8/10 of a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenmom5 Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Melissa in Australia said: That space rocket that blew up and killed astronauts in the (was it) 80s. Was because some part put in was in imperial measurements instead of metric Huge mistake. All aerospace students here in Australia are taught about that simple but massive mistake with measuring the mars probe - where they mixed up metric and imperial measuring systems - didn't kill anyone. The challenger's fuel rocket blew up because of the failure of the O ring on the booster due to freezing temperatures. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa in Australia Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, gardenmom5 said: the mars probe - where they mixed up metric and imperial measuring systems - didn't kill anyone. The challenger's fuel rocket blew up because of the failure of the O ring on the booster due to freezing temperatures. Thank you for the correction Edited April 19, 2023 by Melissa in Australia 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marbel Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 8 hours ago, Scarlett said: The thing is I feel like a very non mathy person. I guess all those years of teaching my son paid off. But really it is a lack of curiosity more than anything. This is striking me as a bit harsh. I can imagine getting flustered by the repeated questioning on what is really an unimportant matter and just wanting to end the conversation. I might look into it, or ask someone else about it later. Or, I might not because...unimportant. I would hate to be labeled as "not intellectually curious" just because something didn't seem important enough to correct/research/learn on the spot. (Just want to note that I understand that a baby's precise weight can be very important to know - to the parents, in a clinical setting. So I'm assuming neither is the case here.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlett Posted April 19, 2023 Author Share Posted April 19, 2023 27 minutes ago, marbel said: This is striking me as a bit harsh. I can imagine getting flustered by the repeated questioning on what is really an unimportant matter and just wanting to end the conversation. I might look into it, or ask someone else about it later. Or, I might not because...unimportant. I would hate to be labeled as "not intellectually curious" just because something didn't seem important enough to correct/research/learn on the spot. (Just want to note that I understand that a baby's precise weight can be very important to know - to the parents, in a clinical setting. So I'm assuming neither is the case here.) Oh sure. But it is not just this one thing with this person. She often doesn’t have the facts straight and dismisses my questions to clarify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junie Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 There's a baseball statistic that irritates me in this way. There are three outs in an inning. So a pitcher that makes it through part of an inning is credited with .1, or .2 depending on if he left the inning after one out or two. It's not precise in any way, but it fits the happy little statistics chart better than, for instance, 4.3333333 innings pitched. And, I guess, the people who care about such things know what it means, and no one's life is in danger. But, still, it irritates me. :) 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Florida. Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 9 hours ago, gardenmom5 said: The challenger's fuel rocket blew up because of the failure of the O ring on the booster due to freezing temperatures. Yes, it was so very very cold that day and had been the night before too. I was teaching at the high school across the river from the launch pad and like most teachers, I took my class outside to the parking lot to watch the launch. It was common to do so and someone from the front office would always come on the speaker to let us know when it was 2 minutes to launch so we could go out. My learning challenged students and I (along with most of the school) were freezing as we watched it explode in the sky above us. 😥 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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