wuhan - coronavirus

[Melissa Louise]

5 minutes ago, ktgrok said:

hey, if you don't test, you won't have cases!

Magic! 

[Not_a_Number]

52 minutes ago, Vintage81 said:

I looked through Dr. Gotlieb’s Twitter account a little, and it seems like he primarily looks at that Rt number as some sort of future indicator. This is from a few weeks ago…

But it’s not super precise…

I hope Dr. Gotlieb is right about the South, but I guess we’ll have to wait and see.

P.S. I’m sorry about your DH and having to be locked down…I hope things get better for him soon.

He hasn't been all that right so far. He was predicting this wave would last 3 weeks, and that seems like a ridiculous prediction. 

[ktgrok]

Ugh. Gee, if only this could have been predicted...oh wait, it totally was by anyone with a semblance of a working brain. 20 percent of new cases are in kids 5-14. Sigh. Also, my kids need haircuts!!!!! I can't take them out in this!

Chu added that Orange County remains at a high level of transmission, as defined by the Centers for Disease Control and prevention. According to Chu, that threshold is 100 new infections for every 100,000 people in the county and a seven-day rolling positivity rate of greater than 10%.

Chu said the county is currently seeing 555 new infections for every 100,000 people in the county and a 19% seven-day rolling positivity rate.

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2021/08/23/children-5-to-14-make-up-largest-group-of-covid-cases-in-orange-county/?fbclid=IwAR0end8JeTZSVSeQShFkeSZUXFB4zqsE17t5hq8d8Xduc5N6AoJfzPgOzWU

Edited August 24, 2021 by ktgrok

[catz]

17 minutes ago, Not_a_Number said:

He hasn't been all that right so far. He was predicting this wave would last 3 weeks, and that seems like a ridiculous prediction. 

Interesting!  What does that even mean when every area is riding a different wave?  And the waves really depends on human behavior and precautions areas are taking, etc.  Really hard to predict.  

I do like watching Rt and calculating doubling times.  We're in the upper Midwest and Rt is dropping slowly and doubling times are stretching out.  So I don't know.  Our numbers really aren't awful.  We'll see.  And flattening or dropping and bouncing back is totally possible as schools reopen, etc.  

Missouri and Louisiana look to be possibly trending down?  

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/missouri-covid-cases.html

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/louisiana-covid-cases.html

Hopsital issues will lag case counts anyway but I hope our healthcare workers can catch a break!

Oh on that note, I read locally we have people from like MO, TN, etc taking up room in our ICUs.  So that's not awesome.  

Edited August 24, 2021 by FuzzyCatz

[Not_a_Number]

36 minutes ago, FuzzyCatz said:

I do like watching Rt and calculating doubling times.  We're in the upper Midwest and Rt is dropping slowly and doubling times are stretching out.  So I don't know.  Our numbers really aren't awful.  We'll see.  And flattening or dropping and bouncing back is totally possible as schools reopen, etc.  

We've stabilized in NY. But I'm sure that's temporary. As soon as people go inside for the colder weather, we'll have a real wave. 

[Danae]

1 hour ago, FuzzyCatz said:

Interesting!  What does that even mean when every area is riding a different wave?  And the waves really depends on human behavior and precautions areas are taking, etc.  Really hard to predict.  

I do like watching Rt and calculating doubling times.  We're in the upper Midwest and Rt is dropping slowly and doubling times are stretching out.  So I don't know.  Our numbers really aren't awful.  We'll see.  And flattening or dropping and bouncing back is totally possible as schools reopen, etc.  

Missouri and Louisiana look to be possibly trending down?  

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/missouri-covid-cases.html

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/louisiana-covid-cases.html

Hopsital issues will lag case counts anyway but I hope our healthcare workers can catch a break!

Oh on that note, I read locally we have people from like MO, TN, etc taking up room in our ICUs.  So that's not awesome.  

I keep wavering between “Actually the numbers look quite good!” and “school doesn’t start for another two weeks.”  At least we’ll have another two weeks to watch the rest of the country and realize that the “kids don’t spread covid” idea has been shot to bits.

[Melissa Louise]

Is there clear evidence of a seasonal affect? Is it significant? If so, should we be teaching little kids over summer and having a long winter break? 

Or is it the break, not the season, driving any dip?

Edited August 24, 2021 by Melissa Louise

[SoCal_Bear]

This new study from GA Tech & North Carolina State makes me 😲 and so glad I am homeschooling.

https://news.yahoo.com/new-study-paints-dire-picture-for-unmasked-unvaxxed-students-134456316.html

[Ausmumof3]

Numbers from Aus/NZ 

NSW 753

Vic 50

ACT 30

Qld 2 truck drivers from NSW

NZ 41

WA has a ship that has around 20 on board 

Vaccination seems to be speeding up a bit. I think we’re at 30pc now?  Not sure if that’s 30pc overall or 30pc of eligible people.

[Ausmumof3]

10 minutes ago, Melissa Louise said:

Is there clear evidence of a seasonal affect? Is it significant? If so, should we be teaching little kids over summer and having a long winter break? 

Or is it the break, not the season, driving any dip?

I’m pretty sure there’s a seasonal effect even if there’s not solid evidence.  Every country seems to have a winter early spring wave. We know the virus prefers cold temperatures.  And we know it spreads more easily in indoor environments especially sealed ones.  Having said that I wouldn’t rule out a summer wave with air conditioned indoor schooling if we did it over summer.

[popmom]

4 hours ago, Melissa Louise said:

But Gladys tells me we're getting a 'freedom' soon! Wow! She really thinks we're all stupid children. 

(My preferred freedom would be being able to remove a mask outdoors if uncrowded - as the weather heats up, I'm struggling with masked walking.)

Do you seriously have to wear a mask outdoors if you’re just walking down an uncrowded street? Sitting on a park bench alone?

[Melissa Louise]

10 minutes ago, popmom said:

Do you seriously have to wear a mask outdoors if you’re just walking down an uncrowded street? Sitting on a park bench alone?

Yes. 

Though I don't think we're* supposed to be sitting on park benches. That's recreation, a no-no.

*Not all five million of us. A good few million though. 

[Shoeless]

23 minutes ago, Melissa Louise said:

Yes. 

Though I don't think we're* supposed to be sitting on park benches. That's recreation, a no-no.

*Not all five million of us. A good few million though. 

Are people complying with that? The no-sitting-on-park-benches bit? 

[Melissa Louise]

12 minutes ago, MissLemon said:

Are people complying with that? The no-sitting-on-park-benches bit? 

Kinda. 

The only cops we have around here are the pair that stop in for charcoal chicken each lunchtime, so no-one's dobbing in the little old lady who sat down for a bit because she's puffed. Mind you, not so many elderly are walking around here, and I think it's because they find the masks make walking more onerous. 

People were taking the pi** when outdoor recreation was allowed. Think multi-family play dates in the park. A lot of household mixing. No recreation stops that. The benches are just collateral 🙂

 

[Shoeless]

4 minutes ago, Melissa Louise said:

Kinda. 

The only cops we have around here are the pair that stop in for charcoal chicken each lunchtime, so no-one's dobbing in the little old lady who sat down for a bit because she's puffed. Mind you, not so many elderly are walking around here, and I think it's because they find the masks make walking more onerous. 

People were taking the pi** when outdoor recreation was allowed. Think multi-family play dates in the park. A lot of household mixing. No recreation stops that. The benches are just collateral 🙂

 

They tried that here at the start of the pandemic. Parks were closed, no golf, no basketball, tennis, no visiting the lake, etc. People pitched a fit.  Like you said, the issue was the household mixing. 

[Not_a_Number]

1 hour ago, Ausmumof3 said:

I’m pretty sure there’s a seasonal effect even if there’s not solid evidence.  Every country seems to have a winter early spring wave. We know the virus prefers cold temperatures.  And we know it spreads more easily in indoor environments especially sealed ones.  Having said that I wouldn’t rule out a summer wave with air conditioned indoor schooling if we did it over summer.

I'm pretty sure there are serious indoor vs. outdoor effects. The South keeps having waves in the summer when everyone is in the AC, for example, while the Northeast keeps having a break in the summer and waves in the fall/winter/early spring... 

I'd guess there are also seasonal effects, but they are much less striking than this one. 

[KSera]

1 hour ago, Ausmumof3 said:

Numbers from Aus/NZ 

NSW 753

 

That’s a decrease, isn’t it?

[SoCal_Bear]

well, I became seriously aware of how viruses can pass outdoors when I got that stomach virus from 10 minutes exposure talking to someone standing 6 feet away. It's definitely possible. A virus that I somehow did not give to my family. I know that my immune system underperforms, and I easily catch other people's bugs. 

Edited August 24, 2021 by calbear

[Melissa Louise]

46 minutes ago, KSera said:

That’s a decrease, isn’t it?

It is, but not a trend, and might be related to ceasing surveillance testing. 

[Melissa Louise]

Cringe. 

 

[Laura Corin]

2 hours ago, Melissa Louise said:

Is there clear evidence of a seasonal affect? Is it significant? If so, should we be teaching little kids over summer and having a long winter break? 

Or is it the break, not the season, driving any dip?

Anecdotally the UK was doing okay last summer, but when we all went back inside for winter the new wave started and we locked down again. There were other political bad decisions too though.

[Cordelia]

10 hours ago, ktgrok said:

Just checked - over the last 14 days cases went up 21% while testing went DOWN 25%. 

So yeah...um...don't put much stock in the case numbers. 

Florida's numbers are...bizarre? Not sure what word I should use. Do you think it's true that things are worse currently than they were last winter? Do you think they might have undercounted cases in the winter? Stay safe out there, it sounds dreadful. 😓

[ktgrok]

13 minutes ago, Cordelia said:

Florida's numbers are...bizarre? Not sure what word I should use. Do you think it's true that things are worse currently than they were last winter? Do you think they might have undercounted cases in the winter? Stay safe out there, it sounds dreadful. 😓

Things are absolutely worse than they were last winter. It's running rampant through the state. Delta is just WAY more contagious, plus places no longer require people to mask, indoor dining is hopping, gyms and such are fully open without masks, schools started back with parents able to opt out of masking and teachers refusing to enforce masking even for those that didn't have a note to opt out, etc. 

Basically, if you wanted it to spread, you'd do everything Florida has done. 

[Ausmumof3]

6 hours ago, KSera said:

That’s a decrease, isn’t it?

Yes and no.  I mean we’ve had three days over 800 but it’s still well higher than this time last week.  There’s been signs contract tracers aren’t keeping up so whether it represents true stats or not might be a different story.

[kokotg]

9 hours ago, Danae said:

I keep wavering between “Actually the numbers look quite good!” and “school doesn’t start for another two weeks.”  At least we’ll have another two weeks to watch the rest of the country and realize that the “kids don’t spread covid” idea has been shot to bits.

Don't worry; covid skeptics switch very nimbly from "kids don't spread it!" to "kids almost never get serious cases!"

[Ausmumof3]

6 hours ago, Not_a_Number said:

I'm pretty sure there are serious indoor vs. outdoor effects. The South keeps having waves in the summer when everyone is in the AC, for example, while the Northeast keeps having a break in the summer and waves in the fall/winter/early spring... 

I'd guess there are also seasonal effects, but they are much less striking than this one. 

Yes.  I’m sure the indoor outdoor is the significant factor. I tend to think that’s true of other viruses we think of as seasonal like flu as well.  
 

 

[ieta_cassiopeia]

On 8/20/2021 at 3:03 AM, KSera said:

I'm surprised seeing NZ only requires masks for 12 and above. Anyone know their thinking on that? Seems awfully risky to me when they are trying for total elimination.

It was the same in England back when masks were required, except in secondary schools (where the 11-year-olds in attendance had to mask to be consistent with other students). The thinking was that a lot of under-12s wouldn't be able to wear masks properly, and that it takes a few years for some cases where other exemptions would apply to get properly diagnosed and documented (e.g. autism was one of the exempted categories, but there's currently a 3-year average wait for diagnosis due to a shortage of diagnosticians).

Yes, many under-12s can be taught to wear them properly, but many others cannot practise it because they forget the rules in their excitement. The research has been fairly consistent in saying that a badly-worn basic mask (e.g. "chin mask" style, excessive touching of the mask while in use, repeatedly removing the mask via the main part instead of the straps) is worse than no mask at all. It was felt to be better to set the age bar at a level where non-wearing of a mask could be treated as deliberate and unreasonable action, rather than something that might be safer for a particular student's development level than attempting to train them. Also, in the early months of the pandemic, there were very few cases (of any severity) among under-12s, thus it was believed that natural protection might help offset the lack of technological protection through not wearing a mask.
 

On 8/21/2021 at 2:53 AM, Melissa Louise said:

I should have said, full England. 

As someone from England, I am sorry your political leaders are following our bad example.

 

9 hours ago, Melissa Louise said:

Is there clear evidence of a seasonal affect? Is it significant? If so, should we be teaching little kids over summer and having a long winter break? 

Or is it the break, not the season, driving any dip?

The break, most likely. England had a dip at Easter surrounded by higher case loads on both sides, because children were on holiday.

On the other hand, teaching when it's most likely to be possible and comfortable to teach outside (whether that means summer, winter or spring/autumn where you live) seems like an option likely to reduce COVID spread.

In UK news: England and Wales had the highest number of COVID deaths this week since March, according to the Office for National Statistics. The peak daily death rate was not so high, but it is consistent, and 5.5% of deaths mention COVID-19 on the death certificate this week.

The medical officer for north-western England's Cumbria region has asked tourists to get a rapid test before going on holiday there as a courtesy to everyone else.

Scotland is arranging a public inquiry of devolved decision-making around COVID, and has announced that 40% of 16-17-year-olds have been half-vaccinated (it's too early since this age group was permitted to have the vaccine for more than a small number to have full protection). It's also extended the age where it's possible to get free dental care on the grounds of youth, so anyone under 26 can get free dentistry. Finally, Scotland has new laws to protect retail workers and others providing services to the public (regardless of their employer) from abuse - namely, that abusing or being violent towards someone providing services to the public will result in a specific offence with the penalty of community sentences or, in exceptional circumstances, prison.

Edited August 24, 2021 by ieta_cassiopeia

[Not_a_Number]

7 hours ago, calbear said:

well, I became seriously aware of how viruses can pass outdoors when I got that stomach virus from 10 minutes exposure talking to someone standing 6 feet away. It's definitely possible. A virus that I somehow did not give to my family. I know that my immune system underperforms, and I easily catch other people's bugs. 

I still wonder if it was a surface thing. We’ve also caught a stomach bug out and about, but not a single respiratory virus, despite going to lots of playgrounds and playing with other kids.

[TCB]

7 hours ago, Melissa Louise said:

Cringe. 

 

I had to laugh at you cringing! That kind of thing is an everyday occurrence in the US, part of the culture, and does seem strange when you first come over here lol.

[popmom]

Why are NZ and Australia trying for “elimination” when this virus is now endemic? The lockdowns are unsustainable at this point. The virus is never going to be eliminated.

Edited August 24, 2021 by popmom

[Wheres Toto]

2 hours ago, ieta_cassiopeia said:

The research has been fairly consistent in saying that a badly-worn basic mask (e.g. "chin mask" style, excessive touching of the mask while in use, repeatedly removing the mask via the main part instead of the straps) is worse than no mask at all.
 

Do you have a citation for this?   Once we realized that surface transmission wasn't a big part of this, it seems like this wouldn't hold true.  

[bluemongoose]

24 minutes ago, popmom said:

Why are NZ and Australia trying for “elimination” when this virus is now endemic? The lockdowns are unsustainable at this point. The virus is never going to be eliminated.

Well I do not believe Australia is going for total elimination now (at least in some locations, the Australian boardies can speak more to that than I can). But NZ is a smaller population, on an island, with a small amount of cases. It makes sense for them to try and keep it eliminated in their country until they can vaccinate everyone. Why not, if it is possible? Seems like they are using more wisdom than some places are. 

[lewelma]

2 hours ago, popmom said:

Why are NZ and Australia trying for “elimination” when this virus is now endemic? The lockdowns are unsustainable at this point. The virus is never going to be eliminated.

NZ is staying at elimination for a number of reasons.

We are still basically at elimination status: Right now, we only have 140 cases in the whole of NZ and we have tested, tested, tested. Plus they are all in only 1 city (Wellington's 10 are not community spread, they were from Auckland and self isolating when they got here and are now in quarantine). Plus all waste water but Auckland is clear. We are still at elimination for all but Auckland, so we should try to keep it.

Economically: we have had one of the fastest recoveries in the world. #4. As the health minister said, good health policy is good economic policy.

Health: We have the best health outcomes for covid in the world. Our hospitals are not overrun, are stafff are not overworked. We have had 26 deaths in total. In addition, we have no long-covid because we have had so few cases. That reduces the burden on people and the health system.

Socially: This move is supported by the population. We prefer short, sharp lockdowns to the way life is being lived in the USA, kind of always cautious and always kind of locked down, sort of. We also like the social cohesion that we have with elimination, rather than the culture wars that the USA has. We have no marches, rallies etc against government policies. People here are in agreement.

Vaccine: we can't open up yet even if we wanted to because only 30% of our population is vaccinated. We have had supply problems because we sourced out of India in the beginning and then they decided to keep their vaccine in house and not export it, so our supply fell through and we had to reorder (and go to the back of the line).

Opening up to the world: Right now, they have said that when we finally open up they will treat Covid like Measles (which is also very transmissible) rather than like the seasonal flu. They will stamp Covid out when it gets in.  Once our population is vaccinated (like with Measles), stamping it out will be through contact tracing and self isolation, rather than nation-wide lockdowns, but they still plan to control it rather than let it rip. 

HTH.

 

Edited August 24, 2021 by lewelma

[lewelma]

2 hours ago, popmom said:

Why are NZ and Australia trying for “elimination” when this virus is now endemic? The lockdowns are unsustainable at this point. The virus is never going to be eliminated.

Also, be careful not to put Australia and NZ in the same bucket. Australia has a federal system and NZ is national, so there are many approaches in Australia and only 1 in NZ. Also, NZ got this outbreak a full 10 weeks after Australia, so has watched and learned from the policies that were tried there. Sorry to say, that NSW has shown us what not to do. So NZ has a much much better chance of beating this because it is way newer and we have more clarity as to what to do and how to do it. In addition, people here are very compliant with the lockdown because they have seen what has happened in NSW. We are ONE week in, we still have a good chance. 

Edited August 24, 2021 by lewelma

[Melissa in Australia]

NSW is out of step with the whole rest of Australia. The rest of Australia is still going for elimination 

[lewelma]

4 minutes ago, Melissa in Australia said:

NSW is out of step with the whole rest of Australia. The rest of Australia is still going for elimination 

Agreed. Interestingly, America is a federal system also and their states have had different policies over this past year, but the USA seems unable to stop travel between the states as easily as Australia can.  I'm not clear as to why. Perhaps Australia just has fewer roads to block? Or perhaps the states in Australia have more power than the states in the USA to block interstate movement. 

Edited August 24, 2021 by lewelma

[Melissa in Australia]

4 minutes ago, lewelma said:

Agreed. Interestingly, America is a federal system also and their states have had different policies over this past year, but the USA seems unable to stop travel between the states as easily as Australia can.  I'm not clear as to why. Perhaps Australia just has fewer roads to block? Or perhaps the states in Australia have more power than the states in the USA to block interstate movement. 

Or perhaps more of the population in Australia is interested in working together  and trying to eliminate this thing.

[lewelma]

1 minute ago, Melissa in Australia said:

Or perhaps more of the population in Australia is interested in working together  and trying to eliminate this thing.

Yes!  Social cohesion is so important. Culture wars are just bad bad bad during a pandemic!

[Jean in Newcastle]

1 hour ago, lewelma said:

Agreed. Interestingly, America is a federal system also and their states have had different policies over this past year, but the USA seems unable to stop travel between the states as easily as Australia can.  I'm not clear as to why. Perhaps Australia just has fewer roads to block? Or perhaps the states in Australia have more power than the states in the USA to block interstate movement. 

I was curious and did some googling.  As far as I can tell, states could restrict travel under emergency powers but it's never been done before - at least not wholesale.  And I can be pretty sure that it would go all the way to the Supreme Court.  While the right to travel interstate isn't mentioned as such in the Constitution as a right, there was a case back in 1941 where the Supreme Court did affirm "the right to free movement" as citizens not only of individual states but of the country as a whole.  https://www.law.georgetown.edu/salpal/the-right-to-travel-and-national-quarantines-coronavirus-tests-the-limits/

[Ausmumof3]

1 hour ago, lewelma said:

Agreed. Interestingly, America is a federal system also and their states have had different policies over this past year, but the USA seems unable to stop travel between the states as easily as Australia can.  I'm not clear as to why. Perhaps Australia just has fewer roads to block? Or perhaps the states in Australia have more power than the states in the USA to block interstate movement. 

Bigger distances between major cities must play a role I think.  WA has the greatest advantage from that perspective.

[Melissa Louise]

5 hours ago, popmom said:

Why are NZ and Australia trying for “elimination” when this virus is now endemic? The lockdowns are unsustainable at this point. The virus is never going to be eliminated.

AU isn't. Anymore. 

[Melissa Louise]

1 hour ago, Melissa in Australia said:

NSW is out of step with the whole rest of Australia. The rest of Australia is still going for elimination 

Please don't count on it in Vic. Dan's language changed yesterday - yes, you still have a chance of driving down the numbers, but he sounded resigned to vaccination being the federally supported option. 

Long lock downs only work with the co-operation of feds, and federal $$. 

[Ausmumof3]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-25/vaccination-target-bordering-on-child-abuse-ama-wa-chief-warns/100403914
 

Statement from the WA head of AMA

"Ultimately if we only have 70 to 80 per cent of adults vaccinated, that is only 56 per cent of the total population and it doesn't include our children," he said.

"This has been attempted in Israel and also in southern America. Texas has got a problem, its paediatric ICUs are full.

"If we go to lose restrictions at 56 per cent of our population vaccinated, with our children not vaccinated, there is going to be a death rate in our children that no parent is going to accept."

[Ausmumof3]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-25/gladys-berejiklian-sydney-lockdown-harshest-fact-check/100390380
 

Fact check comparing lockdowns across the states.

Edited August 24, 2021 by Ausmumof3

[Melissa Louise]

I'm actually quite confused re children. 

My FB teachers group is posting a lot of dire articles. 

My understanding was - more cases in children, cos Delta plus unvaccinated. More cases means more kids in hospital. But hospital/death rates still low in comparison to case numbers - so children still at low risk of complications or death?

Is that wrong? Is Delta more severe in children than previous variants? 

I'm trying to understand risks of K-2 going back to school to the students themselves. 

[Melissa in Australia]

2 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-25/gladys-berejiklian-sydney-lockdown-harshest-fact-check/100390380
 

Fact check comparing lockdowns across the states.

Was just about to post the same thing

 

[Melissa Louise]

Just now, Ausmumof3 said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-25/gladys-berejiklian-sydney-lockdown-harshest-fact-check/100390380
 

Fact check comparing lockdowns across the states.

That should be funny, but honestly, after nine weeks of it and counting, it's been really hard on most people. It's been way harder than either of the previous two. DS found out his workplace is closing yesterday. Two of my friends have young adults in lockdown mediated mental health crises, people are going hungry not 3km from here. 

It should have been sharper, sooner and shorter. Thats true. But it wasn't, and the anti-NSW stuff is just so demoralising. Most of us are doing our best. 

[Ausmumof3]

3 minutes ago, Melissa Louise said:

I'm actually quite confused re children. 

My FB teachers group is posting a lot of dire articles. 

My understanding was - more cases in children, cos Delta plus unvaccinated. More cases means more kids in hospital. But hospital/death rates still low in comparison to case numbers - so children still at low risk of complications or death?

Is that wrong? Is Delta more severe in children than previous variants? 

I'm trying to understand risks of K-2 going back to school to the students themselves. 

Norman Swan said yesterday that there’s no evidence that it’s more severe but they catch and spread it more easily.  So if you have a larger number of cases in children the very small percentage that become serious cases will be larger than in the first round when we didn’t have many cases in kids. I think he did a think on health report on it as well but definitely one on the podcast.

[Rosie_0801]

9 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:

"If we go to lose restrictions at 56 per cent of our population vaccinated, with our children not vaccinated, there is going to be a death rate in our children that no parent is going to accept."

Optimistic fellow.

4 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-25/gladys-berejiklian-sydney-lockdown-harshest-fact-check/100390380
 

Fact check comparing lockdowns across the state.

Wonder what would happen if the media changed its language from "harshest" to "best." Y'know, like from "king hit" to "coward's punch."

[Ausmumof3]

Just now, Melissa Louise said:

That should be funny, but honestly, after nine weeks of it and counting, it's been really hard on most people. It's been way harder than either of the previous two. DS found out his workplace is closing yesterday. Two of my friends have young adults in lockdown mediated mental health crises, people are going hungry not 3km from here. 

It should have been sharper, sooner and shorter. Thats true. But it wasn't, and the anti-NSW stuff is just so demoralising. Most of us are doing our best. 

Yep.  Please take it is frustration with Gladys (and Scomo) not with the people dealing with the repercussion.  Plus although ours have been harsh they’ve been short enough not to matter much after the first one.  I feel for people in both Melbourne and Vic dealing with it all over again.