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6 minutes ago, bookbard said:

What, in order to get people to vaccinate? See, I don't get that. Vaccinations only opened up for the under 50s from mid-June, July. The cat was already out of the bag by then. As soon as vaccinations have been available, people have been grabbing them. It's lack of vaccinations that's been the problem, not lack of uptake. 

No to have spread throughout the community so Australia will open up borders to international travel

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I just think NSW was still treating Delta like the earlier variants.  They took way to long to realise that the previous methods to suppress were not going to work this time. And by the time they figured it out, it was too late. (That and some incompetence by the leadership.)

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21 minutes ago, Melissa in Australia said:

No to have spread throughout the community so Australia will open up borders to international travel

Hmm, well while I wouldn't put it past the PM, I tend to think it's more incompetence than evil. 

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8 minutes ago, lewelma said:

I just think NSW was still treating Delta like the earlier variants.  They took way to long to realise that the previous methods to suppress were not going to work this time. And by the time they figured it out, it was too late. (That and some incompetence by the leadership.)

I think it was deliberate pressure from the 'let it rip' faction in State govt plus their lobbyists/backers. That's why we lost the crucial first ten days. 

It took at least a month for Gladys to wrest back some control, and the 'mockdown' is a result of the compromises she was forced into. 

That's my reading, anyway. This has always been a corrupt state, from settlement on, whoever is in power. 

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53 minutes ago, bookbard said:

And it'll spread to the rest of the country because - it feels like - the NSW govt has given up. 

I would say the biggest issue is the workplace thing. It seems to be the number one cause of spread. If they were really serious, they would shut down everything at least for a week. The workers from the western suburbs (who are the parcel sorters, the shelf packers, the cleaners, the everyday workers) are spreading it via workplaces and then to families. 

But I feel the govt has lost it and has given up. They're just waiting for people to be vaccinated. 

They have given up. All eggs in the vaccination basket. 

That's why every presser is devoid of changes. Just dire warnings of worse to come, get a jab. 

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1 hour ago, bookbard said:

Schools are only open to kids of essential workers in NSW (or kids at risk). Teachers have to mask. Childcare centres are open but they are begging parents to keep them at home unless they're essential workers.

I'm homeschooling now and expect to be for the rest of the year.

They're actually open to all kids in the sense that the essential worker language has been removed. 

Many schools have struggled with rising numbers over the last few weeks, and some strongly worded letters have been sent home by Principals. 

On parent forums, the knowledge that they can't turn a student away is produced as justification for sending them. That, and their need for socialisation. I do understand parent frustration but unlike last year, its pretty clear that schools aren't 'safe'.

I'm hoping we will all make it back to school some time during Term 4. 

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33 minutes ago, PaxEtLux said:

I guess what I don't understand is if the above is true, why would the nasal spray be effective?

The virus is infecting most people through their nose. It infects nasal cells, “chops off” the infected nasal cells’ cilia (preventing it from being swept out) and then replicates and infects other vulnerable parts of the body.

Nitric oxide is strongly believed to prevent infection and replication of the Covid virus. Israel has a nitric oxide-inducing nasal spray already on the market but there are others such as this one, named GSL-1200, which will soon finish its phase 2 trial. (Humming produces nitric oxide, too. Just sayin’.)

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The spray acts to stimulate nasal cells to produce nitric oxide, which may inhibit SARS coronavirus growth and infectivity.

https://www.dickinson.edu/news/article/4294/dickinson_college_alumnus_biotech_company_at_the_forefront_again_of_vaccine_creation

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04408183

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12 minutes ago, Melissa in Australia said:

I am worried. Very worried. Numbers should be going down not up. 

I guess the numbers say to me that you locked down in time. I'd keep watching the % in isolation numbers over the next week. 

(This is what I'm gonna say to DD today).

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Just now, Melissa Louise said:

I guess the numbers say to me that you locked down in time. I'd keep watching the % in isolation numbers over the next week. 

(This is what I'm gonna say to DD today).

I just read that most of the positive are the 13 day test of people already in isolation from a school outbreak. So not as bad as I was thinking

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16 minutes ago, Melissa in Australia said:

I am worried. Very worried. Numbers should be going down not up. 

It depends on if they are going up because people are infecting their household who are all in lockdown so not spreading it to anyone else. 

NZ is expecting the numbers to rise to at least 120, but I'm guessing 500 in total before things are under control. We hear about the wastewater at the 1pm standup.

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3 hours ago, lewelma said:

What is interesting is that the international news 2 days ago was making fun of us.  Lock down an entire country over one case. haha. So provincial. But here the government listens to the scientists, and they said that if there is no link to the border, then this is second or even third generation, so there will be many many others. And with an r value of 6, delaying 3 days to have more info before locking down will multiply this thing up to the point where you can't contain it.

The other thing is that there is a lot of international news talking about our 'poor vaccine rollout.' This is really a slap in the face as we have had *supply* problems because we source our vaccine out of India, and then when they had that horrible outbreak, they quit exporting the vaccine, and kept it for their own very needy population. And NZ with no cases wasn't really in an ethical position to demand they meet the contract.

FWIW, I haven’t seen news making fun of NZ.  I think everyone would prefer periodic total lockdown and actual tracing, and living normally the rest of the time to the way the rest of the world has handled this.  I’ve never had more respect for NZ.

1 hour ago, PaxEtLux said:

I guess what I don't understand is if the above is true, why would the nasal spray be effective?

Your nose and mouth are connected.  You may catch the virus through your nose, but the way it is spread is talking or singing. The medicine works by blocking replication so it is about the virus NOT the body.

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14 minutes ago, Katy said:

FWIW, I haven’t seen news making fun of NZ. 

It is just all the headlines "NZ to go into National Lockdown over a Single Case". I've seen that approach in the Guardian, NYT, Reuters, CNN, and Washington Post. The articles are pretty good (minus the implication that we can't vaccinate over here), but the headlines suggest a ridiculous overreaction.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/17/new-zealand-to-go-into-national-lockdown-over-one-covid-case

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/17/world/australia/new-zealand-lockdown.html

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/virus-free-new-zealand-investigating-new-community-covid-19-case-2021-08-17/

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2 minutes ago, lewelma said:

It is just all the headlines "NZ to go into National Lockdown over a Single Case". I've seen that approach in the Guardian, CNN, and Washington Post. The articles are pretty good (minus the implication that we can't vaccinate over here), but the headlines suggest a ridiculous overreaction.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/17/new-zealand-to-go-into-national-lockdown-over-one-covid-case

I saw that very same article. 

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13 minutes ago, lewelma said:

It is just all the headlines "NZ to go into National Lockdown over a Single Case". I've seen that approach in the Guardian, NYT, Reuters, CNN, and Washington Post. The articles are pretty good (minus the implication that we can't vaccinate over here), but the headlines suggest a ridiculous overreaction.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/17/new-zealand-to-go-into-national-lockdown-over-one-covid-case

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/17/world/australia/new-zealand-lockdown.html

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/virus-free-new-zealand-investigating-new-community-covid-19-case-2021-08-17/

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There's quite a bit of Anglophone glee ( not here) that zero Covid 'isnt working' - particularly from the UK. 

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13 minutes ago, lewelma said:

It is just all the headlines "NZ to go into National Lockdown over a Single Case". I've seen that approach in the Guardian, NYT, Reuters, CNN, and Washington Post. The articles are pretty good (minus the implication that we can't vaccinate over here), but the headlines suggest a ridiculous overreaction.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/17/new-zealand-to-go-into-national-lockdown-over-one-covid-case

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/17/world/australia/new-zealand-lockdown.html

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/virus-free-new-zealand-investigating-new-community-covid-19-case-2021-08-17/

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Ah…but the rest of the world is extremely jealous and just WISHES where they live would have had the sense to go into lockdown over “just one case.”  Hubby and I have quite decided NZ is the place to retire to. 

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7 minutes ago, Melissa Louise said:

There's quite a bit of Anglophone glee ( not here) that zero Covid 'isnt working' - particularly from the UK. 

I've definitely noticed that.  However, I would rather be in periodic lockdowns alternating with complete freedom, than with the fear, confusion, and betrayal that my family is facing in different parts of the USA.

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6 minutes ago, Pawz4me said:

@lewelma, if it's any consolation, DH and I have mentioned much more than once how nice it would be to be in NZ right about now.

Well, I will say that even in lockdown, all the people I've been talking with (homeschool moms, my tutor kids, my neighbors) and all the news I have been reading (Stuff, RNZ, Newsroom) are all in agreement that we are in this together and this is what we want to do.  There is just not much if any disagreement. 

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Yet another nitric oxide treatment contender, R-107, a collaboration between Claritas and Salzman Group. Looks amazing but only trials will tell.

https://claritaspharma.com/our-company-our-products-in-development/r-107-for-covid-viral-infections/

Nitric oxide is the immune system’s first line of defense against viral infection. When a viral threat is present, white blood cells migrate to the area of infection and release a burst of nitric oxide that crosses into the infected cell to inactivate the virus.

There is an extensive body of research demonstrating the ability of nitric oxide to prevent the replication and transmission of various viruses, such as those that cause COVID-19 infection, as well as viruses that cause influenza and the common cold.

In COVID-19 infections, natural nitric oxide levels may not be sufficient to eradicate the virus. R-107 augments the body's natural release of nitric oxide to strengthen the body's ability to eliminate the virus. Unlike vaccine therapy, which may prove ineffective against new mutations, R-107 is engineered to treat all current and future mutant forms of COVID-19.

Claritas is developing R-107 as both a therapy for COVID-19 infection, as well as a broad-spectrum antiviral drug for the treatment of, and possible prevention of, other viral infections.

Unlike nitric oxide, which is a gas that must be administered by a trained respiratory therapist using special delivery equipment, R-107 is a liquid that can be easily administered orally in a capsule, or nasally through use of a nasal spray, or by a single intramuscular injection. Due to its ease of administration, R-107 is designed to overcome the challenges inherent in administration of nitric oxide gas, and transform nitric oxide therapy into a potentially best-of-care treatment for COVID-19 infection, and potentially other viral infections as well.

*******

This page simply and clearly explains how R-107 treats Covid infections:

https://claritaspharma.com/our-company-our-products-in-development/r-107-vs-vaccines/

Stage One (nitric oxide prevents viral infections and multiplication)

Stage Two (nitric oxide reverses respiratory symptoms of low oxygen levels and shortness of breath)

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1 hour ago, lewelma said:

It is just all the headlines "NZ to go into National Lockdown over a Single Case". I've seen that approach in the Guardian, NYT, Reuters, CNN, and Washington Post. The articles are pretty good (minus the implication that we can't vaccinate over here), but the headlines suggest a ridiculous overreaction.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/17/new-zealand-to-go-into-national-lockdown-over-one-covid-case

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/17/world/australia/new-zealand-lockdown.html

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/virus-free-new-zealand-investigating-new-community-covid-19-case-2021-08-17/

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Yeah we have had the same kind of reaction to Australia.  And a lot of people being all “All of Australia is in military lockdown”. Um no… Australia is a big place people.

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Great news. They found the index case!! He flew from NSW on the 8th and went into MIQ. The genomes are a match with the now 21 cases. He returned a positive test on the 9th one day after arrival. 100% of border workers are vaccinated, so this is a breakthrough case. It also means we are only looking at 9 days of spread before lockdown. Wastewater in Auckland was negative on Friday and positive at four locations on Monday and Tuesday. Every other city in the country had a negative wastewater test on Monday. 

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2 hours ago, Melissa in Australia said:

I just read that most of the positive are the 13 day test of people already in isolation from a school outbreak. So not as bad as I was thinking

41 of the 57 cases today are people in isolation on day 13 test connected to a school outbreak. Only 3 cases that are not connected yet, all others either household members or very close contact to other cases. So good news new case numbers aren’t as bad as I thought.   

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3 hours ago, lewelma said:

It is just all the headlines "NZ to go into National Lockdown over a Single Case". I've seen that approach in the Guardian, NYT, Reuters, CNN, and Washington Post. The articles are pretty good (minus the implication that we can't vaccinate over here), but the headlines suggest a ridiculous overreaction.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/17/new-zealand-to-go-into-national-lockdown-over-one-covid-case

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/17/world/australia/new-zealand-lockdown.html

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/virus-free-new-zealand-investigating-new-community-covid-19-case-2021-08-17/

etc

I interpreted the headline more as one of awe, not ridicule, fwiw. 

1 hour ago, lewelma said:

Great news. They found the index case!! He flew from NSW on the 8th and went into MIQ. The genomes are a match with the now 21 cases. He returned a positive test on the 9th one day after arrival. 100% of border workers are vaccinated, so this is a breakthrough case.

Can you explain what this means about how it got from quarantine into the community? Are you saying it would have been from a border worker?

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2 minutes ago, KSera said:

Can you explain what this means about how it got from quarantine into the community? Are you saying it would have been from a border worker?

It had to come through a border worker. The man was in a military operated quarantine facility. The only way out was through a border worker, and they are 100% vaccinated.

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This is NOT what I wanted to see. Ugh. Mono did such a number on me and triggered immune system disorders that I am still dealing with decades later. I do not want reactived EB in my body at all EVER.

https://www.sciencealert.com/mounting-evidence-suggests-many-covid-19-long-haulers-are-co-infected-with-epstein-barr

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Just a bit of humour to lighten the mood.  Kiwis are rating our 1pm briefings on IMDb. 🙂 And I agree, they are the best hour of my day. I never missed them before, and certainly haven't this time around. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt12511606/

"The return of the daily 1pm Covid-19 briefings has seen IMDb users once again take to the internet to rate the episodes, as Aotearoa grapples with a Delta-induced lockdown.

In August 2020, a spoof page appeared on the Internet Movie database site, with many declaring the daily appearances of the New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and Director-General of Health Dr Ashley Bloomfield their “favourite show of 2020”.

While there’s confusion among those tabling the ratings whether the latest set of Covid-19 briefings is season 2, 3 or 4, there seems to be agreement that the 1pm updates have “started with a bang”.

The 1pm daily Covid-19 briefing now has an online rating of 9.3 out of 10.

The IMDB ratings page has had 218 users file written reviews on the 1pm Covid-19 briefings.
”Starting with a bang on a Tuesday night. Ramping up fast,” one said. “New Characters abound. Strap in, grab a beer, watch and learn.”

A user who rated the show 8 out of 10, said: “I made sure I had my lunch ready (freshly baked lockdown loaf out of the oven) and the TV on at 1pm sharp today to tune into the 3rd series of what has become a cult telly show in Aotearoa/NZ.”

Another declared: “Delta is here to shake up season 3.”

One writer had high hopes for the new season, saying “the Auckland mini series earlier this year was a little weak but this is them at their best. Polite, charming and fearless. They wouldn't look out of place wearing capes and underpants outside their trousers.”

They also commended the debut appearance of Police Commissioner Andrew Coster.

”There are a couple of weak points. I feel the wardrobe department could put in a little more effort dressing the cast. Having said that, the chief of police looked great and gave an impressive performance on his first appearance as The Enforcer.”

As Auckland awaits news if its 7-day lockdown will be extended, one user summed up the hopes of the viewing public: “Back for another season, hopefully a short but informative series.”

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So yesterday masks are now compulsory in all indoor venues in the entire country.  And this is from a country that has not ever had any masking requirements at all in the last 17 months. Even our lockdown to eliminate covid 16 months ago was done without masks. So until yesterday, maybe 1 in 100 people I see in the city wear one.  So given that background, this is the part that made me laugh given all the threads I have read on this board. We are so small town down here.

Apparently TWO people were arrested today in NZ for refusing to wear masks in the grocery store. And it was headline news.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/126120071/covid19-two-arrested-as-mask-use-becomes-compulsory-at-supermarkets

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3 hours ago, lewelma said:

So yesterday masks are now compulsory in all indoor venues in the entire country.  And this is from a country that has not ever had any masking requirements at all in the last 17 months. Even our lockdown to eliminate covid 16 months ago was done without masks. So until yesterday, maybe 1 in 100 people I see in the city wear one.  So given that background, this is the part that made me laugh given all the threads I have read on this board. We are so small town down here.

Apparently TWO people were arrested today in NZ for refusing to wear masks in the grocery store. And it was headline news.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/126120071/covid19-two-arrested-as-mask-use-becomes-compulsory-at-supermarkets

Good to see. The UK was pretty solid on masks eighteen months ago. My area of Scotland is still fairly good - they are still compulsory in indoor public sites - but not as complete as at the beginning. 

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https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/british-study-shows-covid-19-vaccine-efficacy-wanes-under-delta-2021-08-18/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=Social
 

Aug 19 (Reuters) - A British public health study has found that protection from either of the two most commonly used COVID-19 vaccines against the now prevalent Delta variant of the coronavirus weakens within three months.

It also found that those who get infected after receiving two shots of either the Pfizer-BioNTech (22UAy.DE) or the AstraZeneca (AZN.L) vaccine may be of greater risk to others than under previous variants of the coronavirus.

Based on more than three million nose and throat swabs taken across Britain, the Oxford University study found that 90 days after a second shot of the Pfizer or Astrazeneca vaccine, their efficacy in preventing infections had slipped to 75% and 61% respectively.

That was down from 85% and 68%, respectively, seen two weeks after a second dose. The decline in efficacy was more pronounced among those aged 35 years and older than those below that age.

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4 minutes ago, whitestavern said:

Any idea what they mean by this? 

Yes. It means that, as has been reported elsewhere, Delta more easily evades the vaccines, so that vaxxed people are more likely to be infected with and also contagious (a risk) to others than with previous Covid variants.

They are still much less likely to become sick or spread to others than UNvaxxed people, this article is only comparing efficacy in vaxxed people with Delta to vaxxed people with pre-Delta Covid.  

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7 minutes ago, whitestavern said:

Any idea what they mean by this? 

Because the vaccines are not as effective against Delta more people will get sick and be contagious.

It’s poor wording — the vaccine isn’t increasing the risk it’s just not decreasing it as much as it did against earlier strains.

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1 hour ago, whitestavern said:

Any idea what they mean by this? 

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It also found that those who get infected after receiving two shots of either the Pfizer-BioNTech (22UAy.DE) or the AstraZeneca (AZN.L) vaccine may be of greater risk to others than under previous variants of the coronavirus.

 

They mean the risk of spreading the virus to others.

The Delta variant is twice as contagious as previous variants. Delta is capable of producing a high viral load in both vaccinated and unvaccinated, BUT in fully vaccinated people, the viral load falls quickly as their immune response ramps up. However, for that short period of time while their viral load is high, symptomatic breakthrough cases can spread the virus.

The CDC is still assessing data to see whether fully vaccinated, asymptomatic breakthrough cases can transmit the virus.

Until more is known, it would be best to continue wearing a mask when around others.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/delta-variant.html

 

A booster will produce more antibodies. Mixing different vaccines might be a good idea, too. They are analyzing that data now.

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31 minutes ago, TexasProud said:

Well, maybe the messaging is finally starting to change.  this was on Fox!

https://www.foxnews.com/health/unvaccinated-mom-dies-covid-19-weeks-after-husband

Arghhh, I should know better than to read the comments on Fox....

It's 99% survivable! She only died because she was obese, the vaccine wouldn't have made any difference! Why didn't they give her ivermectin??? She'd be alive if she got ivermectin!  <smdh>

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4 hours ago, Matryoshka said:

Yes. It means that, as has been reported elsewhere, Delta more easily evades the vaccines, so that vaxxed people are more likely to be infected with and also contagious (a risk) to others than with previous Covid variants.

They are still much less likely to become sick or spread to others than UNvaxxed people, this article is only comparing efficacy in vaxxed people with Delta to vaxxed people with pre-Delta Covid.  

Got it. For some reason I was reading it as more dangerous to others, period, like more dangerous than unvaxxed people would be. It's kind of old news so I think that's why I misinterpreted it as something else.

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Just now, Corraleno said:

Arghhh, I should know better than to read the comments on Fox....

It's 99% survivable! She only died because she was obese, the vaccine wouldn't have made any difference! Why didn't they give her ivermectin??? She'd be alive if she got ivermectin!  <smdh>

You’re kidding? (But you’re not, are you, and that’s what’s so sad.) I don’t know how that kind of thinking can be combatted. They will think that way up until they’re the one struggling to breathe in the hospital 😢

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8 hours ago, whitestavern said:

Any idea what they mean by this? 

 

3 hours ago, whitestavern said:

Got it. For some reason I was reading it as more dangerous to others, period, like more dangerous than unvaxxed people would be. It's kind of old news so I think that's why I misinterpreted it as something else.

Yeah it was pretty poorly worded I think.

It’s just another study confirming what we already know and the speed of the drop in efficacy was slightly surprising to me - I thought it was more like six months. 

Israel stats have almost the same case numbers as previous waves now but still around 1/3 of deaths so vaccine is definitely still having an impact.  Maybe alongside a bit more testing than previous waves.

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18 hours ago, calbear said:

This is NOT what I wanted to see. Ugh. Mono did such a number on me and triggered immune system disorders that I am still dealing with decades later. I do not want reactived EB in my body at all EVER.

https://www.sciencealert.com/mounting-evidence-suggests-many-covid-19-long-haulers-are-co-infected-with-epstein-barr

Thank you for sharing this. This is why I have been so cautious. I'm already taking Acyclovir 3 times a day for EB virus--for the same symptoms. I'm really hoping this will lead to doctors taking CFS/ME more seriously. I'm lucky I found a doctor who recognized my symptoms weren't "all in my head".  

I'm also glad to have some actual evidence that I need to continue being very cautious. I do get some pushback from friends and family for stuff like--not wanting to sit right beside my unmasked sister at the co-op meeting or friends who want to meet for lunch and dine indoors at restaurants. I just can't do it.

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3 hours ago, popmom said:

Thank you for sharing this. This is why I have been so cautious. I'm already taking Acyclovir 3 times a day for EB virus--for the same symptoms. I'm really hoping this will lead to doctors taking CFS/ME more seriously. I'm lucky I found a doctor who recognized my symptoms weren't "all in my head".  

I'm also glad to have some actual evidence that I need to continue being very cautious. I do get some pushback from friends and family for stuff like--not wanting to sit right beside my unmasked sister at the co-op meeting or friends who want to meet for lunch and dine indoors at restaurants. I just can't do it.

Yes, this seriously scares me. It took me 5 years of antivirals and antibiotics to get a whole host of chronic viruses and bacterial under control.  The symptoms of long Covid sound so familiar, I don’t want to go back to those dark, dark days. We are very careful because of having lived something like that already, for years.

I hope you have better and better days, with your treatment.

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