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Okay, this is something I never ever EVER talk about, but 4 kids later, this is more of a problem than it once was. :-(((

 

The truth is, I'm miserable, and nobody irl knows a thing. :sad:

 

What started as fairly minor stress incontinence after ds17 has now progressed to what I'd consider MAJOR stress incontinence. Coughing and sneezing are a big problem, and every time I get a cold, I get super-sad, grouchy and humiliated by the terrible feeling of losing bladder control.

 

UGH. Is this TMI yet? :lol:

 

So now I am getting over a big cold and 3 weeks of serious coughing... and have come down with what I think is a urinary tract infection. Painful, with a little blood, and I think it's from the constant irritation of PEE every%#^!where for 3 weeks. :crying:

OW!!!

 

Am I the only one out there? :sad:

Is there anything I can do about this? Oh - and don't say kegels. I re-started my kegels big-time yesterday. They help a little, but nothing but standing up and crossing my legs really helps when I sneeze.

 

So sad, and now, so painful, too.

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Okay, this is something I never ever EVER talk about, but 4 kids later, this is more of a problem than it once was. :-(((

 

The truth is, I'm miserable, and nobody irl knows a thing. :sad:

 

What started as fairly minor stress incontinence after ds17 has now progressed to what I'd consider MAJOR stress incontinence. Coughing and sneezing are a big problem, and every time I get a cold, I get super-sad, grouchy and humiliated by the terrible feeling of losing bladder control.

 

UGH. Is this TMI yet? :lol:

 

So now I am getting over a big cold and 3 weeks of serious coughing... and have come down with what I think is a urinary tract infection. Painful, with a little blood, and I think it's from the constant irritation of PEE every%#^!where for 3 weeks. :crying:

OW!!!

 

Am I the only one out there? :sad:

Is there anything I can do about this? Oh - and don't say kegels. I re-started my kegels big-time yesterday. They help a little, but nothing but standing up and crossing my legs really helps when I sneeze.

 

So sad, and now, so painful, too.

 

Does your doctor know? A friend lived with this for years. She finally got it fixed . . . some minor procedure. She wishes she did it years sooner.

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My mom had good success with pelvic floor PT.

 

You can use the APTA's women's health PT locator.

 

http://www.womenshealthapta.org/plp/index.cfm

http://www.womenshealthapta.org/find-a-physical-therapist/index.cfm

 

There are other PTs who are experienced in women's health who aren't going to be on the locator. You can speak to your OB/GYN or midwife and ask for a referral. You could also call outpatient physical therapy practices and ask if they have anyone trained in women's health physical therapy/pelvic floor physical therapy. Ideally it would be a decent portion of the person's caseload and not just someone who took a one weekend course.

 

HTH.

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It happens to a lot of us -- just no one talks about it. ;)

 

Quite common after childbirth too. I would recommend exercises to tone the abdominal region and the Kegel exercises first before any surgery. There have been some lawsuits with improper Pelvic surgeries and prolapses/infections.

 

My MIL did kegels since the late 80's before she got out of bed in the morning right up to 2010. Her bladder was super strong and she was proud that at age 74, she did not need a kotex for leakage or depends like her friends did.

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I second the rec to look into surgery. Also, I remember reading somewhere that it isn't kegels but deep squats that are helpful.

:iagree:

 

The weaker the muscles are in that region, you will have organs like the bladder moving (prolapsing) and causing trouble. It happens to a lot of us, unfortunately.

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Well, I will admit this out loud... I had our second DS 6 months ago and tried to start the 30 day shred last week...

 

Let's just say that everytime I have to do the jumping jacks, um... I wet myself no matter how many times I use the bathroom ahead of time. :blushing:

 

My DH thinks it's funny... me not so much!!:glare:

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I had a fairly traumatic birth, iykwim, and had incontinence issues.

 

I bought what is essentially a thighmaster for that area. It's called GyneFlex (for all the unattractive names to pick) it worked wonders for me. Plus squats like someone else mentioned.

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I had the bladder lift surgery about a year and a half ago after PT and my only regret is not doing it sooner. I was miserable too- and coughing, jumping, sneezing...etc always required a change of clothes! I have NO incontinence any more, and the only annoying thing about the surgery was having to wear a catheter for a few days.

 

The PT was very informative and it was helpful but for me it did not solve the problem. I went to a center that specialized in "Continence". I am glad I did.

 

:grouphug:.

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I second the rec to look into surgery. Also, I remember reading somewhere that it isn't kegels but deep squats that are helpful.

 

Interesting... I have never heard this. What is a "deep squat," and is there somewhere online I can see how to do it properly? Bit of an exercise dummy...

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I bought what is essentially a thighmaster for that area. It's called GyneFlex (for all the unattractive names to pick) it worked wonders for me. Plus squats like someone else mentioned.

 

p.s. My GyneFlex is on its way... did I mention I was desperate enough to buy a product with an idiotic name? (better that than the KegelMaster!) :lol:

 

I'm not inherently opposed to surgery, but I would like to see if anything else can work. I have been lazy about toning/kegels...

 

Thanks to anybody who has been brave enough to mention a 1st-person experience. Tales of people's mothers or mothers-in-law are medically helpful but not necessarily inspiring, if you know what I mean. ;-)

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Well, I will admit this out loud... I had our second DS 6 months ago and tried to start the 30 day shred last week...

 

Let's just say that everytime I have to do the jumping jacks, um... I wet myself no matter how many times I use the bathroom ahead of time. :blushing:

 

My DH thinks it's funny... me not so much!!:glare:

 

I cannot jump, skip or run. I wear a pad when I referee basketball. I do at least 100 pelvic floor exercises every single day.

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I know I am going to sound like a weirdo or something, because I thought it was a bunch of hooey when I read about it. But I had the leakage problem ever since I had my last dd, 13 years ago. About 2 years ago, a doc did say my bladder was slightly dropped, but she said I was too young to bother with surgery because it would have to be redone later (I didn't ask). Anyway, about a year ago, I started jumping on a mini trampoline a few times a week for my exercise, because everything else was boring to me and this was supposed to be more bang for your exercise buck. Anyway, at first, I had to potty constantly, several times during the workout. It gradually got better, and after the first few months, I am back to normal. Even my friends noticed that I don't go to the bathroom constantly anymore, lol. Read up on the benefits of rebounding. Still don't know that I believe all of them (how are you supposed to tell that your cells are getting better, after all), but I do believe that it strengthens your internal organs and their connecting muscles now.

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Yep. I'm almost 35 and started have some "issues" two years ago. My gyn assured me that there are a lot of women who have "issues" (many who suffer through and don't see a doctor). May I say, *go*to*the*doctor! If you have an infection, you should go anyway, but your dr. will be able to make sure there is not something else going on and discuss options for better bladder control.

 

As a side note, it wasn't childbirth that caused my bladder problems so "tacking" my bladder back in place won't help. I took a prescription for overactive bladder for a while and now have "retrained" my bladder so I don't need meds.

 

Go to the doctor...(not your family practice person. A urinary specialist is better. It just so happens that my gynecologist also specializes in urinary issues.)

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If you opt for PT, they will work on more than Kegels. Many women need to address it more holistically. Your core muscles can help, etc. PT uses techniques like biofeedback, vaginal weights, etc.

 

I don't know if they are still using the mesh during one of the surgical techniques, but there have been lots of concerns about it, so I'd read up on it if you opt for that approach.

 

http://blogs.webmd.com/womens-health/2011/08/vaginal-mesh-new-fda-warnings.html

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jul/13/news/sc-dc-0714-fda-mesh-20110714

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/05/health/research/fda-orders-more-study-on-surgical-mesh-risks.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/26/health/research/26complications.html

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My MIL did kegels since the late 80's before she got out of bed in the morning right up to 2010. Her bladder was super strong and she was proud that at age 74, she did not need a kotex for leakage or depends like her friends did.

 

I want to know more about this. Did your MIL do them before getting up to empty her bladder? When my eyes open at 6 am, it is because my bladder is saying "get up and pee". Should I try to do my kegels then? I like your MIL's plan much better than surgery.

 

And I agree that strong abdominal muscles and deep squats are important too!

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http://mamasweat.blogspot.com/2010/05/pelvic-floor-party-kegels-are-not.html

 

This isn't a major problem for me but I do have problems when I sneeze with no warning. You are not alone.

 

Darn it all, Allison, I followed that link because I thought I'd heard about squats vs. Kegels before. And it turned out to be pretty much exactly what I'd read elsewhere. So I followed the link from THAT page to the Katy Says blog. And have signed up for the newsletter, and spent most of the morning reading blog posts. Did I ever tell y'all that I adore reading about physiology? And watching videos about it? And pondering it? I mean, I really really really like reading about stuff like this.

 

WHY DID YOU LINK THIS! I AM POWERLESS TO STOP READING!

 

Not to mention that my family is now going to be subjected to my babbling about all of this incessantly for the next week.

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:lol: You're welcome! I was similarly intrigued when I first read it. :D

 

Darn it all, Allison, I followed that link because I thought I'd heard about squats vs. Kegels before. And it turned out to be pretty much exactly what I'd read elsewhere. So I followed the link from THAT page to the Katy Says blog. And have signed up for the newsletter, and spent most of the morning reading blog posts. Did I ever tell y'all that I adore reading about physiology? And watching videos about it? And pondering it? I mean, I really really really like reading about stuff like this.

 

WHY DID YOU LINK THIS! I AM POWERLESS TO STOP READING!

 

Not to mention that my family is now going to be subjected to my babbling about all of this incessantly for the next week.

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I few other ideas:

 

T-Tapp http://www.ttapp.com When I do the MORE or the regular 15 minute one, it really does help. She does this WEIRD "organs in place" thing but again, it helps.

 

I have heard that ben-wal balls really help but haven't tried them yet.

 

I have more issues from ovulation to the start of my period---so 2 weeks when I have issues, 2 weeks with no......and I have never given birth.

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I have done the gamut as far as pelvic therapies go. I had an unnecessary vacuum extraction with my first child that resulted in some serious pelvic injury. After my third child, I had terrible problems with stress incontinence. As a childbirth educator, I had been instructing women about Kegels and deep squatting. I practiced what I preached. However, none of that actually helped my bladder prolapse (called a cystocele.) I sought out a PT who specialized in women's issues. We worked for about 6 weeks, but she was convinced that I was one of the few cases that was not going to be helped by therapy. The bladder prolapse was bad enough that it changed the angle of the urethra and no amount of strength was going to hold back the forces of a cough or sneeze. My problem wasn't muscular, it was deterioration of the connective tissue (some was genetic, some was hormonal as I was over 40, and some was a result of the traumatic birth injury I had sustained with my first.) I had TVT procedure done. The stress incontinence was GONE. Unfortunately, it has been replaced by occasional urge incontinence. There are triggers such as turning of the ignition in the car, walking up my driveway, standing up after sleeping, etc. I have tried PT for that, but the really good one moved away and the others I have tried were not up to snuff.

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I want to know more about this. Did your MIL do them before getting up to empty her bladder? When my eyes open at 6 am, it is because my bladder is saying "get up and pee". Should I try to do my kegels then? I like your MIL's plan much better than surgery.

 

And I agree that strong abdominal muscles and deep squats are important too!

Well, MIL when she was alive (she is dancing with the angels now) always told me before she got out of bed - she would do 150-200 Kegels on her back. Then get out of bed and start her day.

 

Another couple of methods she did (and I tried and it works) is to practice the kegels while in line like at a bank or store. No one notices, to be truthful. ;) And another tip from MIL is to hold the stream of urine while doing a couple of kegels. Don't completely void the bladder but "hold" it for a few seconds (I did for 20 sec) and then continue voiding. I found that method to be really good. But you have got to work on abdominal core exercises and the killer Kegels (like someone else mentioned) up to 200 a day. It works.

 

After I had my ds, I would have to wear kotex just so I wouldn't have an accident if I sneezed. And lord help me if I were sick with a cough -- spread a towel on the sofa and get ready to change undies/pjs every hour. It was miserable. And yes, lots of ladies go thru this.

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Doesn't everyone cross their legs when they sneeze??? :)

 

(D Mannose for the bladder infection)

Oh, my son loved it when he made me laugh or saw me sneeze... I would cross my legs before it happened. LOL I recall one time I sneezed and farted at the same time -- I died laughing with my family and made the mistake of uncrossing my legs while doing so. I ran to the bedroom to change while the family was howling with laughter. Ah, memories. :lol::lol:

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I have definitely had this problem. Last year I had a bad cold and it was awful. If I don't have a cold, I don't really have much of a problem. This year I had a worse cold and it was better.

 

One thing that I've done in the past year is switch over to sitting on a yoga ball when I work on the computer. I do work out on a regular basis too, but not more than before. But I think the yoga ball has helped out those lower core muscles a bit over time. My hips are much less prone to soreness and stiffness now too.

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Oh, my son loved it when he made me laugh or saw me sneeze... I would cross my legs before it happened. LOL I recall one time I sneezed and farted at the same time -- I died laughing with my family and made the mistake of uncrossing my legs while doing so. I ran to the bedroom to change while the family was howling with laughter. Ah, memories. :lol::lol:

 

At least they were laughing WITH you. Since DD#1's birth, I've had issues with incontinence, the worst being when I vomit. So during all my subsequent pregnancies I would run to the bathroom, throw off my pants, try to void my bladder, and toss a towel on the floor before kneeling to puke. :glare: I had more than one member of my family comment. :glare::glare:

 

 

Needless to say, I am :bigear: on this subject.

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If you are having pain and blood, then you should go see a doctor!

 

Incontinence is pretty common, but painful and bloody urination is not. Get treated for the UTI or whatever is causing those symptoms and ask your doctor for some advice about the incontinence.

 

You are not the only one with a leaky bladder. I am "kegeling" as I read and post, now. It might not help much, but it won't hurt!

 

Also, I always keep an extra change a pants and undies in my car, in case of urinary or menstrual accidents. Hooray for bodily fluids:glare:

 

Best of luck to you and go to the doctor!!

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It happens to a lot of us -- just no one talks about it. ;)

Yep. European magazines talk about it much more freely. They advertise all sorts of devices for it. Americans tend to be rather uncomfortable with such stuff. :glare:

 

I bought what is essentially a thighmaster for that area. It's called GyneFlex (for all the unattractive names to pick) it worked wonders for me. Plus squats like someone else mentioned.

Very interesting. Never heard of it.

 

I have lots of info, but it's really unorganized and not at all the way I like it. Until then, my dear online friend has this.

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I started jumping on a mini trampoline a few times a week for my exercise, because everything else was boring to me and this was supposed to be more bang for your exercise buck. Anyway, at first, I had to potty constantly, several times during the workout. It gradually got better, and after the first few months, I am back to normal. Even my friends noticed that I don't go to the bathroom constantly anymore, lol. Read up on the benefits of rebounding. Still don't know that I believe all of them (how are you supposed to tell that your cells are getting better, after all), but I do believe that it strengthens your internal organs and their connecting muscles now.

I have heard this a few times.

I hope I have time to post all my tips later.

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I have not read the whole thread, but if nobody has posted this:

 

http://mamasweat.blogspot.com/2010/05/pelvic-floor-party-kegels-are-not.html

 

it may be helpful. Short version: squats, not kegels.

 

Something else that might help: do not wash down there using soap that contains SLS. Buy some natural soap that does not have it - a Dr. Bronner's bar or homemade soap, or skip soap. Also try taking Azo cranberry tablets. A little irritation goes a long way, and minimizing irritation can really help.

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Interesting thoughts, and again, I SO appreciate the support. The UTI is a little better today, many, many ibuprofens and a little codeine later... :-(

 

My family doesn't know about this. I would be much too mortified to discuss it. Even my sister, who has witness two of my births, doesn't know. But I do use cloth pads so maybe dh has guessed...

 

For the pp, I do use Dr. Bronner's (but not the mint, which is too irritating you-know-where!!) and I also switched today to cloth wipes (originally for babies, but now they're in the bathroom) instead of TP and I seriously think it helps, in the same way that I discovered when I switched to hankies the irritated red nose I got during colds was from the Kleenex, NOT the colds.

 

All those processed wood-pulp products are not as gentle on your body as the fluffy kittens in the commercials would have you believe. :-(

 

p.s. I want to hear more :bigear: about the trampoline regimen, because I have one just sitting here as I speak. I would also love to use the ball for core but it's not the right height for my computer desk. It IS the right height for me (I'm on the short side) so I don't think getting a bigger one would help. :-(

 

p.p.s. For BLA5, the answer is to never throw up. I'm emetophobic and it's been a very, very long time...

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Ugh, I’ve been having the same problem! I’ve been sick on and off since Thanksgiving, and the coughing and sneezing has really been a problem. My laundry has increased dramatically. :glare:A lot of great ideas on this thread! So glad I decided to read it. :001_smile:

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There are tons of articles out there about the benefits of rebounding, and they all say pretty much the same thing, so I just snagged this one.

 

http://lindadutoit.suite101.com/health-benefits-of-rebound-exercise-a325548

 

I'd suggest that you start out gently bouncing for a few minutes a day and build up the time, still bouncing gently, for a few weeks. Then add in some more exciting stuff as you get stronger. I now do a pretty rigorous workout about 20-30 minutes 3 days a week. You can find youtube videos for some examples of things you can do on a rebounder. :)

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p.p.s. For BLA5, the answer is to never throw up. I'm emetophobic and it's been a very, very long time...

 

Ayup.

 

But for those of us who are dealing with it (or had it in the past) the issue of flu or nausea while dealing with this um... delicate matter... can be tricky. I recall using a gigantic plastic salad bowl as my vomit bucket while I sat on the potty during those horrific moments of incontinence. TMI, I know. Oh my. ;) Sorry!!!!

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There are tons of articles out there about the benefits of rebounding, and they all say pretty much the same thing, so I just snagged this one.

http://lindadutoit.suite101.com/health-benefits-of-rebound-exercise-a325548

I'd suggest that you start out gently bouncing for a few minutes a day and build up the time, still bouncing gently, for a few weeks. Then add in some more exciting stuff as you get stronger. I now do a pretty rigorous workout about 20-30 minutes 3 days a week. You can find youtube videos for some examples of things you can do on a rebounder. :)

Lovely link. Thank you. I love rebounding and know many of the benefits already. I need to get back to doing it daily, or at least a few times a week. Like you, I generally do about 20-40 minutes each time. Love bouncing to my favorite music and I sometimes use wrist weights also. :) I really do believe that rebounding helps with incontinence. I've heard it mentioned time and time again. Initially, some women leak and give up. They don't stick with it.

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Lovely link. Thank you. I love rebounding and know many of the benefits already. I need to get back to doing it daily, or at least a few times a week. Like you, I generally do about 20-40 minutes each time. Love bouncing to my favorite music and I sometimes use wrist weights also. :) I really do believe that rebounding helps with incontinence. I've heard it mentioned time and time again. Initially, some women leak and give up. They don't stick with it.

 

Oh yeah, you leak plenty when you first start! But it is so nice to no longer have to get up 4 or 5 times a night to potty!

 

I have a workout playlist on Grooveshark that I choose songs from. Makes it almost fun. :001_smile:

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