If it’s possible w/o breaking board rules, can someone give me

[Ginevra]

...the Cliff Notes version of what Rosanne said that caused the show to be cancelled? I saw some FB articles, but I have to accept cookies to read them and don’t want to do that. Just the gist if it involves political people. 

[regentrude]

The cnn article includes the text of her tweet

http://money.cnn.com/2018/05/29/media/roseanne-twitter-chelsea-clinton/index.html

[Guest]

Wow. Thank you. 

Although it does occur to me I have seen worse tweets...

[Lady Florida.]

10 minutes ago, Quill said:

 

Although it does occur to me I have seen worse tweets...

It was likely a last straw type of thing. Like, we (ABC) can't ignore this anymore.

[Farrar]

It's fascinating to me that some people don't think comparing Black people to monkeys or apes is necessarily racist. We're all just speaking different languages in this country at this point.

[Farrar]

She's been a bit all over the map politically. Remember when she ran for president as a socialist?

I thought Amber Ruffin's take on the show's messaging about race was quite fair (and funny because I fuzzy pink heart Amber Ruffin).

[PrincessMommy]

38 minutes ago, StellaM said:

The monkey thing was said about someone of color. 

Right decision to cancel. Such a shame re Rosanne. She really did put working class (white) lives on the screen in a way that was positive. I wish she'd have kept her big mouth shut (or not think it's OK to say that stuff ever, or better yet, not have even thought to say it). There were a few interesting story lines in the new season, like Darlen's GNC kid...honestly, I'm really disappointed in Rosanne.

So did "The Middle" and they avoided being political.  

I agree that Rosanne should have kept her opinions to herself.. very abhorrent.  

[Guest]

18 minutes ago, Farrar said:

She's been a bit all over the map politically. Remember when she ran for president as a socialist?

I thought Amber Ruffin's take on the show's messaging about race was quite fair (and funny because I fuzzy pink heart Amber Ruffin).

 

Honestly, the transcript of the tweeting looks like someone suffering from a disorder.  ——-> Said by someone who does not follow twitter ever. 

[Katy]

14 minutes ago, Quill said:

 

Honestly, the transcript of the tweeting looks like someone suffering from a disorder.  ——-> Said by someone who does not follow twitter ever. 

 

It seems like mental illness to me too.  Then again, you basically have to lack all internal sense of logic to fall for most of those right wing conspiracy theories.  Perhaps she takes most of her marching orders from Alex Jones.  Did anyone listen to his show today?  It would be interesting to know if she posted that after he complained about Valerie.

ETA: I just checked his twitter feed.  She's been on his show before and he just invited her back again.  In case there's someone unfamiliar with Alex Jones, this is a guy that's so crazy when news is slow Glenn Beck loves to make fun of him.  And then there's the left.  Here's an episode of Last Week Tonight about him.  Warning: this is an HBO late night show and probably contains inappropriate language.

 

Edited May 30, 2018 by Katy

[Annie G]

12 minutes ago, Quill said:

 

Honestly, the transcript of the tweeting looks like someone suffering from a disorder.  ——-> Said by someone who does not follow twitter ever. 

Yes, she has a history of mental illness and recently (like in the past two weeks) she has seemed to spiral on Twitter. 

‘Having said that, I see some pretty great stuff and also some pretty awful stuff on Twitter every single day. 

[Farrar]

I don't doubt that mental illness could be involved. But I feel like we have a tendency to look at people who say racist, bigoted, conspiracy laden, or otherwise cruel things and instead of dealing with the fact that these are mainstream in our society, blame mental illness in an individual instead.

[Lang Syne Boardie]

I am just appalled for all the people who are now out of work. It was super risky, hitching their wagons to THAT star, but I saw Sara Gilbert talking about the show and she really thought it would continue to do well. 

(Edited to add, lest anyone assume anything different: It's 100% Roseanne's fault, whatever made her do it, and I believe it was right for everyone involved to censure, bail, or cancel.)

[Tangerine]

She did have a TBI as a teenager. It was supposed to have radically changed her personality. 

[SKL]

As a conservative, let's just say it was pretty bad.  I don't see her bouncing back in a hurry.  Though some conservative blacks are on her side.

It's about similar to what that comedian said about Sarah Huckabee Sanders, though that has been forgiven bc ... well never mind.

[SKL]

And I agree it sounded crazy and I was really surprised to see that.  But she did say it and you can't un-say stuff.

[Farrar]

4 minutes ago, SKL said:

As a conservative, let's just say it was pretty bad.  I don't see her bouncing back in a hurry.  Though some conservative blacks are on her side.

It's about similar to what that comedian said about Sarah Huckabee Sanders, though that has been forgiven bc ... well never mind.

1. Name a serious conservative African American politician or commentator who has come to her defense. I can believe it... but I have not seen that. I think you need a citation.

2. No it wasn't. Comparing black people to apes =/= to saying Sarah Sanders wears makeup that she makes out of the lies she tells. What is the racist or bigoted history of "smokey eye makeup"? Seriously? How do these things possibly compare? Even if you think the joke was inappropriate, how are these morally the same?

[SKL]

1 minute ago, Farrar said:

1. Name a serious conservative African American politician or commentator who has come to her defense. I can believe it... but I have not seen that. I think you need a citation.

2. No it wasn't. Comparing black people to apes =/= to saying Sarah Sanders wears makeup that she makes out of the lies she tells. What is the racist or bigoted history of "smokey eye makeup"? Seriously? How do these things possibly compare? Even if you think the joke was inappropriate, how are these morally the same?

1) I'm not going to cite kuz politics, but you can google.  (As a general aside, I don't understand people demanding citations - one can just disbelieve me if one prefers not to research.)

2) She said more than just the make-up thing, on more than one occasion.  It was the foulness a well as the misogyny ...

but I am not saying there was anything OK about what Roseanne said.  She knows it was crazy too.  If she has a mental problem with her filter, she needs to hire an editor to make sure stuff like that doesn't get through.  Too late now.

[Farrar]

Just now, SKL said:

2) She said more than just the make-up thing, on more than one occasion.  It was the foulness a well as the misogyny ...

but I am not saying there was anything OK about what Roseanne said.  She knows it was crazy too.  If she has a mental problem with her filter, she needs to hire an editor to make sure stuff like that doesn't get through.  Too late now.

I saw the entire thing. She made many jokes at Sanders's expense, yes. But which one specifically was actually the moral equivalent of calling a black person an ape? Which was actually misogynist? Or referenced a misogynist trope anywhere near as historied and laden as this "joke"? How is using general crude language "as bad" as calling a black person an ape?

Let's be clear. Comparing black people to apes is not making a joke about appearance. That is not about appearance. It's about saying black people are less intelligent, less evolved, closer to animals than humans. It's dehumanizing. It's not about "appearance." It also fits into a very specific tradition of doing so. Even if you think that Michelle Wolf's jokes about Sanders were crude or inappropriate, they are simply not anything like this "joke."

[Lang Syne Boardie]

21 minutes ago, SKL said:

As a conservative, let's just say it was pretty bad.  I don't see her bouncing back in a hurry.  Though some conservative blacks are on her side.

It's about similar to what that comedian said about Sarah Huckabee Sanders, though that has been forgiven bc ... well never mind.

 

I'm not going to demand citations. I'm going to take your other option and choose to disbelieve you that there are black people who don't mind that people are comparing people to apes. I will concede delusional LIES, such as the ones that white Christians tell when they call our president a devout Christian, but lying about it and liking it are two different things.

[Farrar]

 

2 minutes ago, Tibbie Dunbar said:

 

I'm not going to demand citations. I'm going to take your other option and choose to disbelieve you that there are black people who don't mind that people are comparing people to apes. I will concede delusional LIES, such as the ones that white Christians tell when they call our president a devout Christian, but lying about it and liking it are two different things.

I couldn't find any references anyway. All the articles I saw where about prominent self-identified white nationalists coming to her defense. Even several conservatives who would usually cry free speech, such as Tomi Lehren, said what she said was wrong.

[Ausmumof3]

Wow that's bad.  Never watched the show but feel sorry for the other actors who are affected.  And maybe secretly hope Johnny Galecki is a bit more invested in TBBT now.  Though I doubt it makes much difference.

i have to be honest I wish the response to #metoo was as absolute.  

[MaeFlowers]

52 minutes ago, Tibbie Dunbar said:

I am just appalled for all the people who are now out of work. It was super risky, hitching their wagons to THAT star, but I saw Sara Gilbert talking about the show and she really thought it would continue to do well. 

(Edited to add, lest anyone assume anything different: It's 100% Roseanne's fault, whatever made her do it, and I believe it was right for everyone involved to censure, bail, or cancel.)

 

This is the struggle I am having. They cancelled a show and 200 or so people lost their jobs over a single sentence. Plus, they knew exactly what they were getting into with her....she's always been a loose cannon. 

To be clear, I'm not defending her. That was one ugly sentence and I understand the backlash. I'm just not convinced that cancelling the show was an appropriate response.

Sara Gilbert's tweet about the show came across (to me) as if she didn't support the choice of ABC, either. 

[Amira]

I think that in most other TV shows, one racist cast member could be fired and still keep the show alive.  But there is no possible way for “Roseanne” to continue without Roseanne.  I agree that many people are being indirectly punished for her racism, but they should blame her, not ABC.

[Lang Syne Boardie]

8 minutes ago, MaeFlowers said:

 

This is the struggle I am having. They cancelled a show and 200 or so people lost their jobs over a single sentence. Plus, they knew exactly what they were getting into with her....she's always been a loose cannon. 

To be clear, I'm not defending her. That was one ugly sentence and I understand the backlash. I'm just not convinced that cancelling the show was an appropriate response.

Sara Gilbert's tweet about the show came across (to me) as if she didn't support the choice of ABC, either. 

 

I do support ABC's choice, definitely...it's awful for all of them, but they weren't going to keep the show, anyway. Not with producers, writers, crew, and cast all leaving. (And even Roseanne's agent firing her.)

[MaeFlowers]

7 minutes ago, Tibbie Dunbar said:

 

I do support ABC's choice, definitely...it's awful for all of them, but they weren't going to keep the show, anyway. Not with producers, writers, crew, and cast all leaving. (And even Roseanne's agent firing her.)

 

I understood that you supported their choice, for the record. I am just struggling with it. They denounced her views...as if that was even necessary. I think most of us are intelligent enough to know that a single person's views do not represent the whole. That's what I'm struggling with. The idea that people burn bridges so easily.

I had not seen that everyone was leaving the show. Only one cast member.

[goldberry]

1 hour ago, Farrar said:

Let's be clear. Comparing black people to apes is not making a joke about appearance. That is not about appearance. It's about saying black people are less intelligent, less evolved, closer to animals than humans. It's dehumanizing. It's not about "appearance." It also fits into a very specific tradition of doing so. Even if you think that Michelle Wolf's jokes about Sanders were crude or inappropriate, they are simply not anything like this "joke."

 

I've been mulling this over most of the day, because that seems to be most of the arguments... "other people say mean things too".  Racist comments are different because they don't just affect the person they are directed towards.  They serve toward dehumanizing and making an entire group of people less than human, or somehow deserving of mistreatment.  Racism is dangerous and tied inexorably to violence and subjugation.  It cannot be minimized as a just a joke or just an insult, because the outcomes and implications are so far reaching.  History proves it.

[ThisIsTheDay]

I saw that Roseanne today attributed it to Ambien. I suppose that's possible, I know what my husband has done on Ambien, and that stuff can mess with you badly.

It was a terrible, indefensible tweet. I'm not convinced that ABC made the right choice, I think it would have blown over if they'd given it a few days. But it's certainly their choice to cancel their biggest hit in several years. It's not a bad thing to make a stand.

[Just Kate]

22 hours ago, MaeFlowers said:

 

This is the struggle I am having. They cancelled a show and 200 or so people lost their jobs over a single sentence. Plus, they knew exactly what they were getting into with her....she's always been a loose cannon. 

To be clear, I'm not defending her. That was one ugly sentence and I understand the backlash. I'm just not convinced that cancelling the show was an appropriate response.

Sara Gilbert's tweet about the show came across (to me) as if she didn't support the choice of ABC, either. 

 

I also think that what Roseanne tweeted was horrible and that she definitely gets what she deserves (to make it clear, I’m not defending her at all), but...

I read that yesterday was supposed to be the first day back for the writers on the Roseanne show to start working on next season. Because all of the tv shows are at a similar point, all of these writers lost their jobs on Roseanne and really don’t have many other options for next season (those writers of other shows have already been hired). Also, some of these writers turned down other job offers to work on Roseanne. I just think it is awful for all involved. 

So, Roseanne has always been devisive and has been pretty nasty on Twitter (from what I’ve heard...I don’t actually use twitter). I guess I don’t understand why ABC got involved with her to begin with. Wouldn’t they have seen something like this coming?

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Dotwithaperiod said:

ABC took a chance on her because of profit and ratings.That’s all. Disney decided they could lose more in image than money so they canned her. Thank God they chose decency over dollars.

And yes, Ambien can cause people to do weird things. My sil woke up in the night and shaved all the fur off her elderly cat. But as the Ambien maker said, racism is not a side effect.

There’s clearly a lesson in there about one’s truer self being revealed under the influence of medication. 

I wonder if certain political figures take Ambien? 

[Reefgazer]

On ‎5‎/‎29‎/‎2018 at 7:52 PM, Farrar said:

It's fascinating to me that some people don't think comparing Black people to monkeys or apes is necessarily racist. We're all just speaking different languages in this country at this point.

I think what she said was horrible, racist, and she should have been fired.  But context, tone, and intent matter when the word monkey is tossed around.  Monkey, when there is no ill intent, is not an epithet.  When my kids were little and climbing all over hell's half acre, I would jokingly tell them to "Stop climbing, you little monkey".  When they acted up, I would tell them to "Stop acting like baboons and get a grip" (We are white, for reference).  Whether you agree that it was OK for me to say these things or not (I don't care who disagrees with me telling my kids those things), my comments to my kids had zero racial undertones and were not meant to be insulting, since I spoke them in a lighthearted way.  One day about 5 years ago, I was at a kids' gymnastic center when I spotted an unsupervised toddler, a black child, climbing a shoe rack.  I was afraid he would fall and get hurt, so I picked him up off the shoe rack and put him back on the mat and said to him (in the same tone I had used a hundred times with my own kids) "Hey, you little monkey, you'll get hurt if you keep climbing there".  The coach looked at me strange, but said nothing, and I realized in a few seconds why he looked at me strange.  I chose not to apologize or explain, because I didn't (and still don't) feel that I insulted anyone because there was not a hint of racial intent in what I said; the term monkey was used in the same context as I used with my kids.  I'm not going to be policing myself for ridiculous crap when people intentionally try to find fault with innocent language, even though there is plenty of intentional stuff to be outraged about.  Barr's post was anything but innocent, which is an example of when monkey matters.

[Reefgazer]

On ‎5‎/‎30‎/‎2018 at 12:23 AM, goldberry said:

 

I've been mulling this over most of the day, because that seems to be most of the arguments... "other people say mean things too".  Racist comments are different because they don't just affect the person they are directed towards.  They serve toward dehumanizing and making an entire group of people less than human, or somehow deserving of mistreatment.  Racism is dangerous and tied inexorably to violence and subjugation.  It cannot be minimized as a just a joke or just an insult, because the outcomes and implications are so far reaching.  History proves it.

Do you mean like Joy Behar calling a group of Christians "mentally ill", or Keith Olberman calling a group of conservatives "Nazis"?  Rosanne deserved her sacking, but so do these two clowns, and I don't see anyone calling for their heads.  Double standard.

[Liz CA]

5 hours ago, Quill said:

There’s clearly a lesson in there about one’s truer self being revealed under the influence of medication. 

I wonder if certain political figures take Ambien? 

 

I don't see how you could sleep otherwise if you job is in politics...?

[Frances]

30 minutes ago, Reefgazer said:

Do you mean like Joy Behar calling a group of Christians "mentally ill", or Keith Olberman calling a group of conservatives "Nazis"?  Rosanne deserved her sacking, but so do these two clowns, and I don't see anyone calling for their heads.  Double standard.

 

30 minutes ago, Reefgazer said:

Do you mean like Joy Behar calling a group of Christians "mentally ill", or Keith Olberman calling a group of conservatives "Nazis"?  Rosanne deserved her sacking, but so do these two clowns, and I don't see anyone calling for their heads.  Double standard.

I’d never heard of either of these people and had to google to see who they are and what they said. It sounds like the WH is calling them and two others out for remarks they think are similarly bad to Barr’s tweet. I’m not sure how Trump can complain with a straight face about anyone saying mean or untrue things about him given that he does it all of the time and never apologizes. He sets a terrible example and an extremely low bar for the entire country. As for their comments directed at others, it does seem some are calling for repercussions.

[Amira]

We could spend a lot of time trading inappropriate comments that various public figures have made.  Sometimes people get fired for them, sometimes they get elected to important positions for them. There is plenty of hypocrisy to go around and plenty of calls for all sorts of people to be fired. In this specific case, I am glad that ABC looked beyond profits, something that is too rare for American businesses, and quickly fired Roseanne.

[Guest]

4 hours ago, Reefgazer said:

I think what she said was horrible, racist, and she should have been fired.  But context, tone, and intent matter when the word monkey is tossed around.  Monkey, when there is no ill intent, is not an epithet.  When my kids were little and climbing all over hell's half acre, I would jokingly tell them to "Stop climbing, you little monkey".  When they acted up, I would tell them to "Stop acting like baboons and get a grip" (We are white, for reference).  Whether you agree that it was OK for me to say these things or not (I don't care who disagrees with me telling my kids those things), my comments to my kids had zero racial undertones and were not meant to be insulting, since I spoke them in a lighthearted way.  One day about 5 years ago, I was at a kids' gymnastic center when I spotted an unsupervised toddler, a black child, climbing a shoe rack.  I was afraid he would fall and get hurt, so I picked him up off the shoe rack and put him back on the mat and said to him (in the same tone I had used a hundred times with my own kids) "Hey, you little monkey, you'll get hurt if you keep climbing there".  The coach looked at me strange, but said nothing, and I realized in a few seconds why he looked at me strange.  I chose not to apologize or explain, because I didn't (and still don't) feel that I insulted anyone because there was not a hint of racial intent in what I said; the term monkey was used in the same context as I used with my kids.  I'm not going to be policing myself for ridiculous crap when people intentionally try to find fault with innocent language, even though there is plenty of intentional stuff to be outraged about.  Barr's post was anything but innocent, which is an example of when monkey matters.

I can see myself doing exactly this with the same lack of ill intent. 

My youngest son is a Monkey in the Chinese Zodiac and his ascending sign is Monkey, too. So we have a total laugh about that because he is monkey-esq and that explains it. He is double-monkey. He’s a hillarious, energetic, fun child and that would be what I was thinking if I ever called another child a little monkey. 

[Carrie12345]

As much as I stand by the decision, this isn't a contest about who's worldview/insults/targets are better or worse. It's about what we choose to tolerate.  The people involved were confident that enough of the public would hold their noses about things already said and make the reboot a success.  They knew this "last straw" incident would have far reaching impact. Viewers, advertisers, people involved with the show... and, if they didn't cancel, viewers, advertisers, and people involved with the rest of their shows.

I have some sympathy for the rest of the people who lost their jobs, but a lot more would if the whole network burned.

[Tangerine]

It’s really more like, say, off the top of my head, mocking a disabled person. Christians and conservatives, and or liberals are neither born that way, nor vulnerable populations. 

[Tangerine]

1 hour ago, Quill said:

I can see myself doing exactly this with the same lack of ill intent. 

And I think a person could give her the benefit of the doubt had she not done it before and been called out on it before. She got away with it then, and she reasonably assumed she would again. 

Susan Rice

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Tangerine said:

And I think a person could give her the benefit of the doubt had she not done it before and been called out on it before. She got away with it then, and she reasonably assumed she would again. 

Susan Rice

But note, I am not defending Roseanne for her words. I am referring to the poster who called the boy at gymnastics a little monkey. That is what I could surely do meaning nothing ill and it would not occur to me that it was a little black child. 

Personally, I think Twitter is a waste of data and think the world would be better off if nobody, certainly no celebrity or person of prominence, ever tweeted anything. Maybe, “my new book is available on Amazon now!” But no opinions about other celebrities, no jokes at the expense of other people, no political party schmearing. But I live in LaLa Land. 

[ktgrok]

6 hours ago, Reefgazer said:

  I'm not going to be policing myself for ridiculous crap when people intentionally try to find fault with innocent language, even though there is plenty of intentional stuff to be outraged about.  Barr's post was anything but innocent, which is an example of when monkey matters.

The issue there is no one would know you meant it innocently. I don't think you did anything wrong, but sometimes we can accidentally do things that could be easily misinterpreted. Not your fault, but the world we live in. The yucky people kind of ruined things for the rest of us, is what I'm saying. And I say this as someone who did the EXACT same thing you did, and then felt awkward about it. I didn't apologize because in the context I said it in it was pretty clear how I meant it and drawing more attention would have made it worse I think. 

[Bluegoat]

11 hours ago, Dotwithaperiod said:

ABC took a chance on her because of profit and ratings.That’s all. Disney decided they could lose more in image than money so they canned her. Thank God they chose decency over dollars.

And yes, Ambien can cause people to do weird things. My sil woke up in the night and shaved all the fur off her elderly cat. But as the Ambien maker said, racism is not a side effect.

 

Well, maybe, but then what does that say about your SIL's relationship to her cat?

[SKL]

13 hours ago, Dotwithaperiod said:

ABC took a chance on her because of profit and ratings.That’s all. Disney decided they could lose more in image than money so they canned her. Thank God they chose decency over dollars.

Not disagreeing with the decision they made, but there is a contradiction in your comment.  They did this because they felt it would be better for their bottom line.  Not because they are decent.  In fact, the media world pretty much never chooses decency over dollars.

[Bluegoat]

8 minutes ago, SKL said:

Not disagreeing with the decision they made, but there is a contradiction in your comment.  They did this because they felt it would be better for their bottom line.  Not because they are decent.  In fact, the media world pretty much never chooses decency over dollars.

 

Yeah, that would be my interpretation.  They know which way the wind is blowing.

 

[Guest]

23 minutes ago, Bluegoat said:

 

Yeah, that would be my interpretation.  They know which way the wind is blowing.

 

Good point. Sadly. 

[mamaraby]

1 hour ago, Ktgrok said:

The issue there is no one would know you meant it innocently. I don't think you did anything wrong, but sometimes we can accidentally do things that could be easily misinterpreted. Not your fault, but the world we live in. The yucky people kind of ruined things for the rest of us, is what I'm saying. And I say this as someone who did the EXACT same thing you did, and then felt awkward about it. I didn't apologize because in the context I said it in it was pretty clear how I meant it and drawing more attention would have made it worse I think. 

Dh did something similar and was oblivious to the issue until it was pointed out to him. The person pointing it out knew that wasn’t his intent, and wanted to clue him in. He mentioned it to me, which I appreciated because I wouldn’t have thought of it either.

And yeah, the things we say can be misinterpreted and we can do something not intending to cause other people harm, but to me, if there’s a way for me to be more kind to others by being careful with my own word choices and “policing” my own language, then I’m going to do it because empathy, kindness, and being mindful of my own privilege is tied to my ethics. And yeah, sometimes it sucks and feels impossible because I will mess up and say things I don’t intend to mean a certain way. That’s just the way it goes.

[Pawz4me]

42 minutes ago, SKL said:

Not disagreeing with the decision they made, but there is a contradiction in your comment.  They did this because they felt it would be better for their bottom line.  Not because they are decent.  In fact, the media world pretty much never chooses decency over dollars.

Agreed. If ABC/Disney had any desire to be decent companies they never would have brought her/the show back on air. After her comment about Susan Rice, the photo where she made herself up to look like Hitler and was taking gingerbread men out of the oven -- it shouldn't have taken any great deal of common sense to know she was going to have other absolutely repugnant comments/photos/controversies eventually. But I suspect they were willing to take a chance that they'd make some money before it happened.

[Reefgazer]

8 hours ago, Frances said:

 

I’d never heard of either of these people and had to google to see who they are and what they said. It sounds like the WH is calling them and two others out for remarks they think are similarly bad to Barr’s tweet. I’m not sure how Trump can complain with a straight face about anyone saying mean or untrue things about him given that he does it all of the time and never apologizes. He sets a terrible example and an extremely low bar for the entire country. As for their comments directed at others, it does seem some are calling for repercussions.

I'm not Trump, and I am the one calling Olberman and Behar out.  And if you are pro-sacking of Rosanne, you should be calling the others out, too.

[Amira]

I agree, ABC never should have brought her on and they got exactly what they bargained for.  I won’t defend that decision at all.  If they had dithered around for a day or a week, waiting to see what the reaction would be or if it would all die down and they could get away with keeping the show, I wouldn’t think they’d done the right thing either. But it’s entirely possible they could have kept the show if they’d waited and I still think they are losing money by cancelling.  It was the very quick decision to cancel the top-rated television that I think was unusual, before sponsors announced they were pulling out or boycotts started.  But I also don’t feel super passionate about the position and think the opposite position has good points.

[SKL]

I would be fine if all of Hollywood and several music industries were fired, but that's a whole other topic.  The whole industry makes its money off of pro-violence, pro-sexual assault, pro-drugs, pro-misogyny, pro-racism, anti-morality, anti-religion and anti-parental guidance themes, and then pretends like it cares more than the rest of us.  How any of us take them seriously is beyond me.

[goldberry]

9 hours ago, Reefgazer said:

Do you mean like Joy Behar calling a group of Christians "mentally ill", or Keith Olberman calling a group of conservatives "Nazis"?  Rosanne deserved her sacking, but so do these two clowns, and I don't see anyone calling for their heads.  Double standard.

 

There was a lot of backlash on Behar, so I'm not sure how that was a double standard. I was glad Behar apologized.  Her apology (unlike Roseanne's) was not followed by doubling down on the comments, which may have saved her from firing.  The View is full of crazy comments, which seems to be the purpose of the show honestly.  I don't watch it. But if she was fired for it, I certainly wouldn't think it was over the top to do so.  It's another conversation whether Christians are in the same category as minorities as a vulnerable population in the U.S.  I'm not sure whether comments against Christians (and I am a Christian) are in the same context as open racism, due to the vulnerability factor.  But either way it was a mean comment and inappropriate comment, and she paid for it. 

Olbermann was suspended originally, wasn't he?   Calling people Nazis or saying f-you to the president is certainly repugnant to me. (Although I'm not opposed to a reasoned discussion about Nazi-like behavior).  So now he's being rehired.  I wouldn't say Roseanne is never going to work again either.  She likely will. Roseanne had her series renewed after a history of racist comments including dressing up as Hitler and purposefully disrespecting the anthem.  

In both of these cases there was backlash and consequences.  People did call for them to be fired. The idea that it was okay and no one said anything is false.   

But the president, who has never apologized to anyone for his insults and attacks, asking for an apology?  Now that's a double standard.