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50 minutes ago, Scarlett said:

I am wondering the same thing.  CNN is covering the riots, why attack them?

They attacked the College Football Hall of Fame nearby, too. Broke into it and did a ton of damage.  There’s no excuse for that. Atlanta mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms had some excellent words for citizens.  

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5 hours ago, Ausmumof3 said:

according to cnn a police officer has been killed on Oakland California 

“As tensions began to soar on the streets of Oakland Friday night, a gunman opened fired on two Federal Protective Service officers posted at the city's federal building, killing one of them and sending the other to the hospital with critical injuries.” https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2020/05/30/george-floyd-officers-gunned-down-at-oakland-federal-building-one-dead-one-wounded/

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3 hours ago, Plum said:

Why was CNN attacked? And why did the guy with skateboard look like he had his own personal medic? The whole thing is weird. 

I read an article that said they only arrested the one reporter and one other person. From pictures, the reporter looked to have darker skin. The article also said another nearby CNN ( I think) white reporter was not arrested. I'll see if I can find the article to link.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/29/us/minneapolis-cnn-crew-arrested/index.html

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5 hours ago, Scarlett said:

I am wondering the same thing.  CNN is covering the riots, why attack them?

I mean, I've never been in a riot, but they aren't known for being the most rational forms of protest.  I've lived in two major cities that have had riots (populated mostly by white people) spurred by WINNING sporting events.  I mean, I think at some point people just start breaking things and setting things on fire because they're there.  They aren't led by logic and reason.  

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I’ve unknowingly passed some counterfeit money.  I was given it as change at a flea market.  I didn’t recognize it was fake.  Assuming all of the change I received was fake, I used at least one fake $20 unknowingly and then when I went to deposit the rest with some checks, the teller  spotted the fake $20s.  I was presumed to not be responsible.  I wasn’t arrested.  I was contacted by an investigator who simply wanted to know where I had been given the bills.  I learned then to never need change when buying things from random people.  

I’m appalled by anyone who would blame this man for his own death.  It’s the same old story.  A black man is dead for possibly doing something that a white person would never be killed for.   
 

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2 hours ago, LucyStoner said:

I’ve unknowingly passed some counterfeit money.  I was given it as change at a flea market.  I didn’t recognize it was fake.  Assuming all of the change I received was fake, I used at least one fake $20 unknowingly and then when I went to deposit the rest with some checks, the teller  spotted the fake $20s.  I was presumed to not be responsible.  I wasn’t arrested.  I was contacted by an investigator who simply wanted to know where I had been given the bills.  I learned then to never need change when buying things from random people.  

I’m appalled by anyone who would blame this man for his own death.  It’s the same old story.  A black man is dead for possibly doing something that a white person would never be killed for.   
 

A white friend of mine, who is married to a POC, wrote about his experience at a bank with a counterfeit $20.  

About three months ago, I took a counterfeit twenty to the bank to deposit. Their machine caught it, and the teller told me. She even let me look at it when I asked if there was a way to tell (it was a very convincing fake). They had to confiscate the bill, but said, while it doesn't exactly happen all the time, most people can't identify a fake bill. I got a receipt with a copy of what little information I'd been able to provide, and the promise that if further investigation determined it was actually legitimate, my account would be credited $20.

At no point in the process was I pinned to the ground by multiple officers, one on my neck. No other officers were called from another jurisdiction because other patrons called them on the arresting officers. I never had to plead with anyone to let me breathe or cry for my mother. There were no witnesses who later said I looked like I was already dead when the ambulance arrived.

And it's all because one or two layers of microscopic skin cells were lighter.

I don't have words to express how ridiculously stupid racism is, or how angry, frustrated, and sad it makes me that this is still going on.

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33 minutes ago, Terabith said:

A white friend of mine, who is married to a POC, wrote about his experience at a bank with a counterfeit $20.  

About three months ago, I took a counterfeit twenty to the bank to deposit. Their machine caught it, and the teller told me. She even let me look at it when I asked if there was a way to tell (it was a very convincing fake). They had to confiscate the bill, but said, while it doesn't exactly happen all the time, most people can't identify a fake bill. I got a receipt with a copy of what little information I'd been able to provide, and the promise that if further investigation determined it was actually legitimate, my account would be credited $20.

At no point in the process was I pinned to the ground by multiple officers, one on my neck. No other officers were called from another jurisdiction because other patrons called them on the arresting officers. I never had to plead with anyone to let me breathe or cry for my mother. There were no witnesses who later said I looked like I was already dead when the ambulance arrived.

And it's all because one or two layers of microscopic skin cells were lighter.

I don't have words to express how ridiculously stupid racism is, or how angry, frustrated, and sad it makes me that this is still going on.


Totally.  

One time I was pulled over for expired tabs.  My license AND MY PROOF OF INSURANCE WAS ALSO EXPIRED.  It was a comedy of errors.  My mom had died and I just hadn’t remembered to renew my tabs or license and my new insurance card was sitting in a pile of unopened mail.  I drove away from that incident very much alive and the officer had given me helpful instructions to get it all sorted out.  I am viscerally aware that it might be a very different story for one of my brothers or my nephews.    

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9 hours ago, Plum said:

I meant CNN headquarters getting vandalized and attacked.

Media crews are getting singled out though as well. A police officer fired pepper bullets directly at this NBC camera and crew in Louisville. It sounded like they were told to move but thought they had plenty of time and then they started getting hit by pepper bullets that were pointed right at them. 

https://youtu.be/KGT167BLOSE?t=25

 

 

I learned that there is a police precinct in the CNN Center, and that also happened to be the location where the cops stopped the gathering protesters.

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, StellaM said:

Multiple journos being tear gassed and shot with rubber bullets...wtf?!

These are people with press accreditation, who are clearly identifying themselves to police as reporters.

Just the latest:

Two members of a Reuters TV crew were hit by rubber bullets and injured in Minneapolis on Saturday night when police moved into an area occupied by about 500 protesters in the southwest of the city shortly after the 8 p.m. curfew.

Footage taken by cameraman Julio-Cesar Chavez showed a police officer aiming directly at him as police fired rubber bullets and tear gas to disperse the crowd.

“A police officer that I’m filming turns around points his rubber-bullet rifle straight at me,” said Chavez.

Possibly due to all the anti-media rhetoric of the government the past few years? 

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2 hours ago, StellaM said:

Multiple journos being tear gassed and shot with rubber bullets...wtf?!

These are people with press accreditation, who are clearly identifying themselves to police as reporters.

Just the latest:

Two members of a Reuters TV crew were hit by rubber bullets and injured in Minneapolis on Saturday night when police moved into an area occupied by about 500 protesters in the southwest of the city shortly after the 8 p.m. curfew.

Footage taken by cameraman Julio-Cesar Chavez showed a police officer aiming directly at him as police fired rubber bullets and tear gas to disperse the crowd.

“A police officer that I’m filming turns around points his rubber-bullet rifle straight at me,” said Chavez.

https://twitter.com/kabgreek/status/1266954839864598529?s=21

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2 hours ago, beckyjo said:

Possibly due to all the anti-media rhetoric of the government the past few years? 

DING, DING, DING! Whaddya wanna bet that media consumption preferences/habits have some bearing on the behavior of LEOs on the job and in public?

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https://www.9news.com.au/national/usa-riots-minneapolis-george-floyd-black-man-death-police/ada0a989-1201-44a2-b9e9-ff2d4a04cb39
 

A us correspondent from an Australian news source detained at gun point.  He said the situation calmed down very quickly and the police officers were respectful once they realised he and his crew weren’t a threat.  

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So much looks unprovoked. There are so many videos of police being absolutely awful. I honestly don’t get it. It’s like they can’t help themselves and are non human.  I’m not talking about police and rioters either, I’m taking about non violent protesters being chased, sprayed, and knocked around. It’s disgusting and not improving my current opinion of police officers. 

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8 minutes ago, Dotwithaperiod said:

 I’ve seen videos of an old man with a cane knocked down by police, of people legally sitting on their porch being hit by cops with paint guns, of a woman sitting on the ground after being gassed, covering her eyes and getting kicked by a cop, police cars knocking people down with their car, a cop on a horse stomping on a person, a woman yelling at a cops face and getting beaten with his baton, and police slashing all the tires in a parking lot.

This morning, on news shows, there’s a definite spin by the admin officials that “ the rioting is being done by antifa and not the decent black protesters”. I’ve heard a NSA guy say it on 2 shows so far. They definitely want to paint antifa as the main bad guys, imo, as a way to label them official terrorist group. It’s been leaning that way and they’ve now found a good way to do it.Besides, the president already told us yesterday that Magas love blacks, lol, so it can’t be that some non-antifa people are so totally fed up with being treated as second class disposables that they’ve decided to respond this way.

 


They want to spin it as Anfifa so as to distract from the fact that young white men on the supremacist RIGHT and the anarchist LEFT are leading coordinated attacks to distort the protest message.

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11 minutes ago, Dotwithaperiod said:

 I’ve seen videos of an old man with a cane knocked down by police, of people legally sitting on their porch being hit by cops with paint guns, of a woman sitting on the ground after being gassed, covering her eyes and getting kicked by a cop, police cars knocking people down with their car, a cop on a horse stomping on a person, a woman yelling at a cops face and getting beaten with his baton, and police slashing all the tires in a parking lot.

This morning, on news shows, there’s a definite spin by the admin officials that “ the rioting is being done by antifa and not the decent black protesters”. I’ve heard a NSA guy say it on 2 shows so far. They definitely want to paint antifa as the main bad guys, imo, as a way to label them official terrorist group. It’s been meaning that way and they’ve now found a good way to do it.Besides, the president already told us yesterday that Magas love blacks, lol.

It sounds like a lot of the destruction is being done by white supremacist groups - which =/= antifa.  I'm not pro-antifa, but they were the ones showing up against the white supremacists in Charlotte.  The two groups should not be conflated.  The current people seem to be showing up in black outfits (like antifa) but also trying de-legitimize the protests by making it seem like they're a bunch of vandals and arsonists - but the pics of the perpetrators and even most arrests seem to be of people in  white supremacist groups.

Meanwhile there are also pics of police and the nat'l guard in black neighborhoods in Minneapolis shooting paint guns at people just sitting peacefully on their porches, yelling 'Light them up!' (the police are yelling that, not the people on porches).  Supposedly because they're violating curfew, but curfew does explicitly allow people to be on their own property, certainly on their porches.  And police brutality is what set this whole thing off.

So, when the white supremacists are the problem in the police, and the white supremacists are also the people causing most of the destruction...  and the people in charge of our country are saying the white supremacists are 'very fine people' and saying these protests of white supremacy should be shot at... I am at a loss.   😢

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2 minutes ago, Matryoshka said:

It sounds like a lot of the destruction is being done by white supremacist groups - which =/= antifa.  I'm not pro-antifa, but they were the ones showing up against the white supremacists in Charlotte.  The two groups should not be conflated.  The current people seem to be showing up in black outfits (like antifa) but also trying de-legitimize the protests by making it seem like they're a bunch of vandals and arsonists - but the pics of the perpetrators and even most arrests seem to be of people in  white supremacist groups.

Meanwhile there are also pics of police and the nat'l guard in black neighborhoods in Minneapolis shooting paint guns at people just sitting peacefully on their porches, yelling 'Light them up!' (the police are yelling that, not the people on porches).  Supposedly because they're violating curfew, but curfew does explicitly allow people to be on their own property, certainly on their porches.  And police brutality is what set this whole thing off.

So, when the white supremacists are the problem in the police, and the white supremacists are also the people causing most of the destruction...  and the people in charge of our country are saying the white supremacists are 'very fine people' and saying these protests of white supremacy should be shot at... I am at a loss.   😢


It’s both. In Seattle, there’s a long history of left wing anarchists doing damage. Right wing whites are now getting in on the action. That’s no surprise given their organized online groups and militias.

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1 minute ago, Sneezyone said:

It’s both. In Seattle, there’s a long history of left wing anarchists doing damage. Right wing whites are now getting in on the action. That’s no surprise given their organized online groups and militias.

Anarchists are no good.  I feel like anarchy's 'what we've got in this country at the moment.  There is no coherent leadership, and most of the leadership positions are empty or full of yes-men, but what they are supposed to say yes to changes by the mood of the day.

I thought Anti-fa stood for anti-FASCIST, not anarchy?  Those shouldn't be the same thing.  Although I feel right now like we're going for both at the same time... 

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3 hours ago, Dotwithaperiod said:

Ok, help me out here, I’m just an old fart who can’t keep up with things. Are antifa and left wing anarchists interchangeable terms?  


No, they share similar tactics tho. Left wing anarchists is a more general term. There’s overlap. It includes people with strong feelings about climate ‘violence’ and animal cruelty, people with strong anti-fascist views, INCELs, as well as people who have no convictions at all except to sow chaos. If you think of a Venn diagram with left wing activists and anarchists, left wing anarchists would be in the middle.

You can draw the same circles on the political right with security and militia types, Anti-immigration people, white nationalists on one side and anarchists in the other circle. There is overlap.

 

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2 minutes ago, Dotwithaperiod said:

Ok, help me out here, I’m just an old fart who can’t keep up with things. Are antifa and left wing anarchists interchangeable terms?  

Yeah, I also didn't think those were the same thing at all.  But I really know nothing about the actual movement, just familiar with the name since Charlottesville.

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1 minute ago, Matryoshka said:

Yeah, I also didn't think those were the same thing at all.  But I really know nothing about the actual movement, just familiar with the name since Charlottesville.

from wiki:
The antifa (/ænˈtfə, ˈæntiˌfɑː/)[1] movement in the United States is a militant, left-wing, anti-fascist political activist movement[7][11] which comprises autonomous activist groups that aim to achieve their political objectives through the use of direct action rather than through policy reform.[12][13][14] Activists engage in varied protest tactics, including digital activism, property damage, physical violence and harassment against those whom they identify as fascist, racist or on the far-right.[22]

Individuals involved in the movement tend to hold anti-capitalist views,[23] and subscribe to a range of ideologies such as anarchism, socialism, communism, liberalism and social democracy.[29]

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Cross post from WTM Politics Club:

Houston Police Chief Art Acevedo confirmed that the HPD arrested people who don't seem to be protesters but do seem to be agents provocateurs:

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/George-Floyd-s-Yates-HS-classmates-hold-15306000.php

The chief also backed up the accounts of some demonstrators who said the destruction and violence Friday did not appear to be the work of those protesting systemic racism and police violence. He said many of the provocateurs were white, unconnected with the demonstrations and possibly from out of town.

“I saw people that didn’t look like you and me last night, downtown in the middle of the night, tearing (expletive) up,” Acevedo said. “And you know why? They don’t want to talk about George Floyd and how he died when he didn’t have to. They want to talk about how black and brown people tearing stuff up. They want to hijack the legitimacy of the grievances.”

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Just now, Dotwithaperiod said:

 Thanks. I’ve pretty much always had a soft spot in my heart for anti-fascists.

We should all be anti-fascists.  That should not be the same as sowing chaos.  There's also a far-right group that's pretty much just into sowing chaos (the accelerationists)  If they're all a bunch of disaffected white doods dressed in black smashing things, how does one tell the difference?

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36 minutes ago, chiguirre said:

Cross post from WTM Politics Club:

Houston Police Chief Art Acevedo confirmed that the HPD arrested people who don't seem to be protesters but do seem to be agents provocateurs:

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/George-Floyd-s-Yates-HS-classmates-hold-15306000.php

The chief also backed up the accounts of some demonstrators who said the destruction and violence Friday did not appear to be the work of those protesting systemic racism and police violence. He said many of the provocateurs were white, unconnected with the demonstrations and possibly from out of town.

“I saw people that didn’t look like you and me last night, downtown in the middle of the night, tearing (expletive) up,” Acevedo said. “And you know why? They don’t want to talk about George Floyd and how he died when he didn’t have to. They want to talk about how black and brown people tearing stuff up. They want to hijack the legitimacy of the grievances.”

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I have to say that Art Acevedo has grown and changed with education, information, and age. He was fairly awful when he was police chief here, but really seems to be a better, more empathetic person in Houston. I don’t love his replacement either, but I digress. Being a POC in Texas will always be a challenge. 
 

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My father was a part of the garbage workers' strike just days before MLK's death.  He still has the briefcase with the dent from when a police officer tried to club him (and with which he swung it at the cop before running away).  

While I agree that the protests are being infiltrated by trouble makers who are trying to accelerate things in order to bring about their own agenda, the nonviolent protests have historically never really been truly nonviolent.  They were protests in which the protestors took the violence willingly upon themselves.  The bodies of the protestors were used as the canvas for violence.  Taking a knee during the Anthem is about as nonviolent as you can get, and people lost their minds over that, so when people say they only respect nonviolent protests, I wonder if they realize that they are asking.  

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7 minutes ago, Dotwithaperiod said:

I knew it. He’s going to declare antifa a terrorist organization. Does that mean that anyone who speaks out against fascism could be arrested, or taken in for questioning? 

Is this not the the worst time to do this? Is this a way to calm people down? 

So antifa are terrorists, but Neo-Nazis and white supremacists are "very fine people"...

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5 hours ago, Dotwithaperiod said:

Yep. So this would be a most excellent time for WH officials to speak about both of these extreme ends of political view groups. I’ve seen top guys naming antifa, and I’m still searching for anyone in the admin to include the far-right. We shall see.

I don't think they well.  They are among his most vocal supporters.  

Oldest dd and I have been discussing what's going on a lot and she asked me what could be done to stop it.  But when the people looting and rioting are doing it to cause chaos and bring on a new civil war, how do you counter that?  They aren't looking to be heard like the protesters, they WANT to watch the country burn.   We did talk about strict curfews but how are the people who protested masks because "Freedom!" going to handle curfews?  

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4 hours ago, Dotwithaperiod said:

I knew it. He’s going to declare antifa a terrorist organization. Does that mean that anyone who speaks out against fascism could be arrested, or taken in for questioning? 

Is this not the the worst time to do this? Is this a way to calm people down? Is it a way to arrest anyone rioting, deem them a terrorist and give them a more severe punishment?

 

Organization would imply that they're organized. I don't know what's going to happen next, though.

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“All journalists in the #USA covering these clashes should be wearing full face masks: there's real danger of loosing an eye or worse. In #HongKong I was shot in the face by the police with some sort of projectile, maybe rubber bullet. See the impact here: twitter.com/StephenMcDonel…”

advice for journalists from the bbc correspondent in China 

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5 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:

“All journalists in the #USA covering these clashes should be wearing full face masks: there's real danger of loosing an eye or worse. In #HongKong I was shot in the face by the police with some sort of projectile, maybe rubber bullet. See the impact here: twitter.com/StephenMcDonel…”

advice for journalists from the bbc correspondent in China 

At least one photojournalist in the US, Linda Tirado, has lost an eye.  She was shot by a rubber bullet at close range by a police officer aiming for her eyes.  

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4 minutes ago, Terabith said:

At least one photojournalist in the US, Linda Tirado, has lost an eye.  She was shot by a rubber bullet at close range by a police officer aiming for her eyes.  

Yes I saw her posts although I didn’t really know who she was.  Some scary stuff.  

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2 minutes ago, Terabith said:

Can I ask how the non-US news is covering this?  What are people saying about the US at the moment abroad?

Well this is Abc - they are running a live blog.  They tend to be a little left I guess.  Most of the reporting I’ve seen here has been focused on what’s happening more than analysis.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-01/us-riots-over-george-floyd-death-continue-live-updates/12306148

and this is one of the main commercial news outlets take

https://www.9news.com.au/world/george-floyd-protests-national-guard-called-in-as-violence-escalates/07423e03-dc5f-4da1-8dd4-92fe36b1af07

to be honest I haven’t actually watched all that much local news reporting on the situation so I can’t give you much in-depth analysis.  Abc seems to have focused more on the protesters and the whys of the protest 9news is more focused on the violence looting and photo opportunities which pretty much reflects their usual approach.  I haven’t been out and about much to say what word on the street is. 

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1 hour ago, Terabith said:

Can I ask how the non-US news is covering this?  What are people saying about the US at the moment abroad?

It is not the top in the main headlines 

Mostly giving live  coverage of how much looting and arson is happening, how there doesn't seem to be anyone in control, a truck drove into a crowd etc

Some footage of police knealing in support

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Twitter people are reporting that in Santa Monica police were making arrests at the actual protests but not at the looting happening around the corner.  Some protestors claim not to have known about the earlier curfew.  Some claim that police are issuing citations because the jails are full.  No idea what the real story is but hope there’s no board members near there because it looks a little scary.

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1 minute ago, Sneezyone said:


You wouldn’t know that from listening to the county prosecutor tho. Glad he’s off the case. 

I am so glad that Ellison was put in charge of the prosecution. I also wonder if the ME would have changed his report if the family had not had the private autopsy done. The "preliminary" report sounded like he was trying pretty hard to hedge his bets as much as possible in favor of Chauvin.

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17 minutes ago, Corraleno said:

I am so glad that Ellison was put in charge of the prosecution. I also wonder if the ME would have changed his report if the family had not had the private autopsy done. The "preliminary" report sounded like he was trying pretty hard to hedge his bets as much as possible in favor of Chauvin.


Yep. This opinion article does a really good job of laying out how a prosecutor can tank a case before it even begins if they so choose, and why many have been so critical of the 3rd degree murder charge. Having an advocate for Mr. Floyd prosecute the case is critical. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/05/30/opinions/george-floyd-derek-chauvin-criminal-complaint-honig/index.html

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10 minutes ago, Plum said:

What is going on? 
 

At least 19 journalists have been arrested, 36 journalists shot at by police with projectiles, and 76 journalists have been assaulted during the period of May 28 through 31 while covering protests throughout the US.

Of the 76 reported assaults on journalists, 80% were by police, either through physical encounters or being shot at. 

 

The enemy of the people rhetoric has come home to roost.

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12 minutes ago, Plum said:

What is going on? 
 

At least 19 journalists have been arrested, 36 journalists shot at by police with projectiles, and 76 journalists have been assaulted during the period of May 28 through 31 while covering protests throughout the US.

Of the 76 reported assaults on journalists, 80% were by police, either through physical encounters or being shot at. 

 

It's almost as if you call them the enemy of the people often enough, people start to believe it.

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