Kathryn Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 This couple, along with other church members, beat two of their sons at church to make them confess to "previous sins." One is dead, the other in serious condition after police found him hidden in the church. What do you want to bet they homeschooled? It looks like the 33yo daughter was adopted and the couple seem old to have teens and younger (one article said four of the children removed from the church, aged 2-15, were theirs), so I'm going out on a limb and guessing they're that particular brand of Christian that adopts overseas kids and beats them into submission. Another article quotes a neighbor saying how strict they were and they made the kids read the bible two hours each day and didn't let them out of the house much. http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0S82NA20151014 https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/the-latest-police-ny-church-beating-came-amid-counseling/2015/10/14/718d4a50-7299-11e5-ba14-318f8e87a2fc_story.html http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/10/14/police-say-couple-beat-son-to-death-in-new-york-church/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mergath Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 I'm not going to read the articles because they would only depress me, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if they're yet more Pearl followers. Smh. I never though I would advocate censoring a book until I heard about TTUAC. How old were the children who were beaten? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TechWife Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 The teen who died was 19. His younger brother is in the hospital - he is 17. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HRAAB Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 19 and 17 years of age according to the articles. Wise to not read them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirstenhill Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 I just read the article... The son who died was 19! The injured one was 17. No words...just wow. :-( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsuga Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 The neighbors, including the local priest, said it didn't seem very Christian or churchlike. Seems like a cult. I am not one to defend weird church stuff but this seems beyond the pale! It was very secretive and private according to the reports. What a tragedy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinder Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 :crying: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparklyUnicorn Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 That's very sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenmom5 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 and they follow the pearls parenting methods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbridgeacademy Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 The article I read said that yes, they were homeschooled. Made a point of the fact that all the boy's parents had to do was send in a curriculum report every year (they're in NY, I thought they had a lot more oversight than that?). Why does the media have to keep bringing it back to homeschooling? Homeschooling does not lead to bad/abusive parenting. There are millions of us who go through our child's entire life without ever once laying a hand on them. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean in Newcastle Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 and they follow the pearls parenting methods. Source? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mimm Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 I can't imagine what possesses people to do something like this. :( 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuzu822 Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 The article I read said that yes, they were homeschooled. Made a point of the fact that all the boy's parents had to do was send in a curriculum report every year (they're in NY, I thought they had a lot more oversight than that?). Why does the media have to keep bringing it back to homeschooling? Homeschooling does not lead to bad/abusive parenting. There are millions of us who go through our child's entire life without ever once laying a hand on them. This is localish to me (an hour from where I live now, near where I grew up), and you're right about NY's regulations. There are quarterly reports in addition to instruction plans and annual assessments, which must be a standardized test in certain years from 4-8, and every year from 9-12. Either the district wasn't paying attention and they were flying under the radar, or they passed muster (33rd percentile minimum). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regentrude Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Why does the media have to keep bringing it back to homeschooling? Homeschooling does not lead to bad/abusive parenting. There are millions of us who go through our child's entire life without ever once laying a hand on them. Of course homeschooling does not cause bad and abusive parenting. But it does make it easier for abusive parents to carry out abuse because it affords them the possibility of isolating their children completely or by surrounding them only with people who have equally wacko ideas. 23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppy Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 A New York couple was charged with manslaughter in the death of their 19-year-old son after allegedly beating him for hours during a family counseling session inside the "sanctuary room" of an upstate Christian church, police said on Wednesday. Counseling. Sanctuary. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Sounds like a cult to me. What a horrible perversion of both parental instruction and church counseling. Those poor boys deserved better :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TianXiaXueXiao Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 This is despicable and tragic. Lord have mercy. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Word Nerd Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Their sister was also one of the six people arrested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 What the he!! Is wrong with people? 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El... Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 What the he!! Is wrong with people? Yeah. That. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8circles Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 I have really awful things that I want to say. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misha Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 This is heartbreaking. Reprehensible on the part of those responsible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pehp Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 I am horrified. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TranquilMind Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 This couple, along with other church members, beat two of their sons at church to make them confess to "previous sins." One is dead, the other in serious condition after police found him hidden in the church. What do you want to bet they homeschooled? It looks like the 33yo daughter was adopted and the couple seem old to have teens and younger (one article said four of the children removed from the church, aged 2-15, were theirs), so I'm going out on a limb and guessing they're that particular brand of Christian that adopts overseas kids and beats them into submission. Another article quotes a neighbor saying how strict they were and they made the kids read the bible two hours each day and didn't let them out of the house much. http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0S82NA20151014 https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/the-latest-police-ny-church-beating-came-amid-counseling/2015/10/14/718d4a50-7299-11e5-ba14-318f8e87a2fc_story.html http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/10/14/police-say-couple-beat-son-to-death-in-new-york-church/ Insane whack jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TranquilMind Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Their sister was also one of the six people arrested. That's even worse. "But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."" Matthew 9:13 These people never learned anything, not even the basics. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Indeed Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Wow- whack job isn't a powerful enough word here. Not sure how the Pearls were brought into this, but they don't condone this type of behavior either- even as harsh as they may seem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mergath Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Wow- whack job isn't a powerful enough word here. Not sure how the Pearls were brought into this, but they don't condone this type of behavior either- even as harsh as they may seem. They absolutely condone beating children until they do what they're told. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertBlossom Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 That is so sad and disturbing. What kind of sins did they expect them to confess? So sad. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathryn Posted October 17, 2015 Author Share Posted October 17, 2015 Additional details. The sister is actually a step-sister according to this article, and the other children taken are hers. The teen apparently was trying to leave the congregation and that what prompted this. (Warning: article contains details of the beating and its duration). http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/16/us/new-york-church-assault-case/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Word Nerd Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Additional details. The sister is actually a step-sister according to this article, and the other children taken are hers. The teen apparently was trying to leave the congregation and that what prompted this. (Warning: article contains details of the beating and its duration). http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/16/us/new-york-church-assault-case/ His injuries were so bad the ER initially thought he'd been shot. How horrible. :( Why only manslaughter?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucyStoner Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Wow- whack job isn't a powerful enough word here. Not sure how the Pearls were brought into this, but they don't condone this type of behavior either- even as harsh as they may seem. They sit there in interviews with creepy smiles and deny that they condone anything that caused a death but when you read their own words, they say never give up and that the child must obey to be saved. What exactly do they think that means for kids who WILL NOT bend to the will of their abusers? They do not have plausible deniability. They absolutely do propagate these messages of easy fix via beating. They are disgusting and I wish I believed in hell so that they could go there. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 That article was just horrible - it hurts to even read. I really hope they figure out exactly who was culpable and punish them appropriately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 That was horrible to read. Every adult who was there and did nothing should be punished. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mamiof5 Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 There's just no possible explanation to this :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 His injuries were so bad the ER initially thought he'd been shot. How horrible. :( Why only manslaughter?!? The article I read indicated that the parents (or at least the mother) were there but didn't actually do the beating. Hence the lesser charge. The place does sound like a cult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppy Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 They said they did it because he was molesting children. Police say that's just a lie. source Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yucabird Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Article from the WashingtonPost: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/10/16/teen-beaten-to-death-at-reclusive-n-y-church-wanted-out-police-say/ Disgusting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Word Nerd Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 The article I read indicated that the parents (or at least the mother) were there but didn't actually do the beating. Hence the lesser charge. The place does sound like a cult. That's not what I've read. The local police cief said the parents and others did the beating. The mother told police she and the sister hit them with a cord. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slache Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 I don't understand how he died. Was he tied down? He should have been able to overpower them, but it doesn't sound like he even tried. I admit to not reading all of the articles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TechWife Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 I don't understand how he died. Was he tied down? He should have been able to overpower them, but it doesn't sound like he even tried. I admit to not reading all of the articles. The details are not available. However, the idea that he could overpower at least six adults is unrealistic. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slache Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 The details are not available. However, the idea that he could overpower at least six adults is unrealistic. I was under the impression he was alone with his dad for much of the time. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beaners Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 What do you want to bet they homeschooled? It looks like the 33yo daughter was adopted and the couple seem old to have teens and younger (one article said four of the children removed from the church, aged 2-15, were theirs), so I'm going out on a limb and guessing they're that particular brand of Christian that adopts overseas kids and beats them into submission. Were the brothers adopted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Yell Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 They sit there in interviews with creepy smiles and deny that they condone anything that caused a death but when you read their own words, they say never give up and that the child must obey to be saved. What exactly do they think that means for kids who WILL NOT bend to the will of their abusers? They do not have plausible deniability. They absolutely do propagate these messages of easy fix via beating. They are disgusting and I wish I believed in hell so that they could go there. I'm too literal-minded to use the "like" button, so: :iagree: with :cursing: added because the "agree" guy is smiling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithManor Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 They sit there in interviews with creepy smiles and deny that they condone anything that caused a death but when you read their own words, they say never give up and that the child must obey to be saved. What exactly do they think that means for kids who WILL NOT bend to the will of their abusers? They do not have plausible deniability. They absolutely do propagate these messages of easy fix via beating. They are disgusting and I wish I believed in hell so that they could go there. This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathryn Posted October 17, 2015 Author Share Posted October 17, 2015 Were the brothers adopted? Now I don't think so. They're now calling the 33yo a "step-sister" and saying the other four children that they originally said belonged to the parents of the dead boy are actually hers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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