The longest was 4.5 years. No emotional trauma. The idea is laughable to me. The others ranged from 1 year to 3 years. Whatever works for you and your child.

With six apple trees, it's an apple a day for everyone. We love apples.

I am so sorry for your loss.

Our Costco was starting to display Christmas items the last week of September. Walmart, too.

I am so sorry. Some people are just horrid. Whether or not he is actually committing a crime, I think it is worth reporting. Harassment like this needs to be made known. Too many people brush it off and don't believe it is an issue.

"What about recess?" In a rather horrified voice as though the worst thing about homeschooling was missing recess. I guess roaming our 1.5 acres didn't count.

Fried, poached, boiled, scrambled, whatever, it has to be killed. That is actually how I order fried eggs - 'kill it'. Now a rock hard fried or poached egg on toast - yummy. Two of my dds eat them all runny, mixed up in their hashbrowns or with toast. I turn away. I didn't raise them like that.

Hoping it goes well for you toady

I can't say I'm surprised. I'm more surprised when Hollywood couples stay married. Other than that, I don't know much about them except they have a large family.

Congratulations on the new grandbaby. I don't understand his parents at all. What do they want their son to do? Dump your daughter? Ignore his responsibility? Or provide financial support but leave it at that? This is their grandchild, too. Not only would they be disowning their son, they will be disowning their grandchild. They need you and your dh to support them in their good decisions, and it sounds like they are now making good decisions. Not what they originally planned, but they're dealing with reality. They will need you even more if they're lacking support from his parents. And, it will be okay. My oldest was also pregnant before she and her dh got married. Plans changed (they often do). Anyway, we now have three beautiful granddaughters, and my dd has a good husband. They are a beautiful family. Feelings can change. If his parents don't change right now, maybe they will after the baby is born. Babies can bring about big changes in people. I hope they do. You can't do anything about his parents' behavior. But your dd and her fiance are so blessed to have you. eta: deleted quote

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This behavior might well be more common than I'm aware of, but it is not healthy. I witnessed this with my grandmother and my mother. I witnessed it and felt it with my mil and dh. I see it happening with my dd's best friend and her mother. It's easy to say that controlling adult children is just an illusion, but those parent/child relationships are multi-faceted and deep. The roots go all the way back to the beginning. It's not always so easy to just say 'mom, I love you but I'm making my decisions now so back off' or whatever. Parent/child love can be a strong tool; not that that is real love, but it's a great way to control adult children. And it's not just a case where the parents ends up losing; the adult child has lost, too.

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Never heard of her. And I grew up around old film buffs. Now I want to watch one of her movies.

It's baking in the oven and smells delicious.