Monica_in_Switzerland Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Getting correlated readings from the library is great and all, but BFSU can be really forest, not the trees, and it's hard to find books about the forest. For example, every elementary botany book published is obligated (under penalty of jail time and a fine) to describe xylem and pholem. Xylem and phloem, xylem and phloem. Which is which? Who knows? Who cares? What does BFSU care about? STEM CELLS. Yes, stem cells, cell growth, division, and differentiation. Why? Because that's what ties plants to the entire kingdom of living things. I know you're just kidding but I can't bear to leave the question just sitting there. Phloem carries the "phood". :tongue_smilie: 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plink Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 I would really REALLY love to be able to purchase (decent) science texts in audio form - yes, there are some out there, but so far the ones I've found have been either painfully dry, or full of errors. My crew tends to learn best when we can listen to concepts over and over again, and I love being able to sneak in learning during our drive-time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmingMomma Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 I really loved the idea of BFSU. We did successfully complete the first book last year, and started the second book last fall. I got so bogged down in trying to come up with how to actually teach each lesson. I'd try to find corresponding pages in the Kingfisher and Usborne encyclopedias and the myriad of other science books on hand, diagrams or pictures online, etc. If it was more scripted and open and go, it would be perfect. About a month into the school year I threw in the towel and ordered Elemental Science's Biology for the Logic Stage. It's not perfect, but it is getting done without me having to do hours of planning. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daijobu Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Phloem carries the "phood". :tongue_smilie: LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandra Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Fake secular. Books written by 'homeschool mom and dad' with minimal science background. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korrale Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I heavily dislike dumb hands on components. I don't mean anything hands on, but meaningless busy work hands on. Dumb crap like making a weather station using paper plates and cups (no joke this is an activity in a science book I used). I would like the right amount of information. I know that's vague, but I don't want to be bogged down with a ridiculous number of concepts, but I don't want to read and read and read just to conclude I could have summed up the information in 2 pages. I want something mostly open and go that is easy to navigate. I don't want something with 100 different components. Some of the public school science programs are like this. They have workbooks, textbooks, on-line stuff, teacher manuals, extra practice books, some other books that nobody knows what they are for, testing books, challenge problem books. Why not one book?! I don't want to have to juggle 10 books. Although I also wouldn't mind a program that is a list of living books (I'm talking mostly middle school and under though). And I hate page layouts like Usborne where there are 100 different text bubbles. I never know what to read first or second. There is never more than a sentence or two at a time so I feel like the information is not coherent. It's just this or that, but nothing beyond surface information. And I don't want a religious science book. Yes on pretty much everything you said! We try and avoid silly experiments that seldom work. I would just rather let the boy do those in his playtime.As much as I love Usborne or DK books I can't deal with all the bubbles! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korrale Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 The only thing I've found and "like" is BFSU- like because of the content and basic philosophy behind it. But it is WAY too wordy and requires a lot of prep. If he were to turn it into a textbook written to the student, it'd be pretty awesome! I want this too. Nix 70% of the test. Get to the nitty gritty. Or write something accessible to the student. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparklyUnicorn Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 The only thing I've found and "like" is BFSU- like because of the content and basic philosophy behind it. But it is WAY too wordy and requires a lot of prep. If he were to turn it into a textbook written to the student, it'd be pretty awesome! Agreed. Love the concept. I just don't have time to put that much effort into one subject. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparklyUnicorn Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Fake secular. I'm just baffled that this is even an issue. I must really have lived under a rock for years because I had no idea that religion was included in a book that has science in the title. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandra Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I'm just baffled that this is even an issue. I must really have lived under a rock for years because I had no idea that religion was included in a book that has science in the title. http://apologia.com/index.asp?proc=pg&pg=4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeriJ Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 http://apologia.com/index.asp?proc=pg&pg=4 How is this considered "fake secular" ?????? It has creation in the title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandra Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 How is this considered "fake secular" ?????? It has creation in the title.Oops, I wasn't clear. Sparkly seemed to be saying that she didn't know that there were religiously oriented science programs. Did I read that right? Or perhaps she was joking and I missed it? Of course, Apologia is absolutely clear about its worldview, from the title of the books to the name of the company itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joyoustxmama Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 I would love a science curriculum that gives God the credit He deserves for all His wonderful work without feeling the need to push a YE agenda. All theories should be examined equally. Until someone publishes this curriculum, we use secular science books. Oh, second this! Drives me nuts. I have a science background and a theistic evolution perspective. I wish wish wish I had the time to write a curriculum for homeschoolers to reflect that, without degrading other viewpoints (YE and secular) which already seem to have pretty good curriculum choices. Maybe I'll try my hand at it when my kids are all out of diapers :D! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanvan Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 My biggest pet peeve is poor writing. What a year I had when Ds was in 9th and I had to model for him how to re-read a poorly written sentence or paragraph and figure out what the author was trying to say! There are convoluted sentence structures, wordiness that seems to be for the sake of making processes sound more complicated than necessary, and a lack of logical order (at times) within paragraphs. Ds and I actually laughed out loud at some of the writing we encountered. Then I'd have him look online for better explanations, he'd get it and say 'Why didn't they just explain it that way in the first place?" I'm thinking the authors write as though they are speaking to science-minded people instead of students who are just learning concepts. I'm talking about high school here--it's been a while since I gave much thought to curriculum for younger years. Dd makes due with whatever we have on hand, which is an Usborne Science Encyclopedia supplemented by books form the library. Science is not a huge focus in her schooling for various reasons, but this thread has me thinking about examining my plan for her science more closely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laura Corin Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 OT, but is it just me or has Galore Park moved from being a curriculum provider to being a test prep provider? Coming late to this: Galore Park has always provided materials that prepare for the 13+ exams that privately-educated pupils take in order to get into Public (high-class private) schools such as Eton and Harrow. It began by producing text books, but has filled out its offering by producing/buying in test-prep materials too. L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laura Corin Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 [Fwiw, science up to age 13 is pretty dumbed down in British schools, so resources aren't much better here. IGCSE materials (14-16) are a lot better, but until then it's hard to find something that works well to use at home.] I agree with you. After spending a few months teaching Calvin using British KS3 materials (age 11 to 14), I dumped out of the whole idea, and we started learning from IGCSE biology books. They pretty much assumed no prior knowledge anyway, and we had a lot of fun with them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linguistmama Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 I would also love something that at least has an engaging audio component, even if it were not the heart of the program. Video probably lends itself better for science, but an audiobook is easy to take in the car. My oldest would listen to an engaging program over and over while doing other activities like crafts and cleaning. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefgazer Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 My dislikes: Religion intermingled with science, science programs where I have to gather a bunch of random crap (like craft sticks and paper plates) for demonstrations instead of just placing a one-time order with a scientific company, science texts that have a lot of random bubble facts/sidebars without a coherent and well-flowing text that covers the topic in depth. I haven't found a science curriculum that I am really happy with, and I don't have 800 hours to devote to assembling a program every year, so science has been a "mainly reading" course at our house (with the exception of last year's biology, which I spent a long time producing on my own). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lauraghall Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Everyone else has already summed up most of my pet peeves. All I can add to it is two words: Comic. Sans. Seriously, it just looks so unprofessional and ridiculous. My kids and I tried with all our might to like RSO but we just couldn't. I couldn't get past the god awful font. Petty? Maybe. But hey we're listing pet peeves, no? ;) Comic Sans! Yes! I knew there was a reason Real Science 4 Kids from BJU just came across as so homespun and amateur, even though the content was acurate. The graphics were hokey too. I'm on the lookout for a great science program, too. This thread is kinda discouraging... :P Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rose Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Another thing I thought of: - I would love an experiment free science, where demonstrations are pulled from nature. So for example, if the lesson is on the adhesive property of water (or some such...), have the kids learn about it, then go outside on a dewy morning or after watering the garden and notice water clinging to things against the pull of gravity. Or if the lesson is on plant growth, have kids go out and see how many different plant seeds they can find (anything from danilion puffs to acorns). No prep, no mess, and the "hooks" for memory are coming from nature. I would like to put three likes on this idea. I really like the Handbook of Nature Study but it's not open and go. This would be so neat! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 My science curriculum pet peeve is baking soda + vinegar. Overdone. AND has nothing to do with volcanoes. ETA: Great for chemistry, discussing acids/bases, etc. Not for volcanoes. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewelma Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 I've re-read this thread, and the problem is that to create a curriculum like this would be incredibly time consuming. I can estimate time and create a daily plan. I can label it beautifully and use a good font. I can create the experiments, deep thought provoking ones with both conceptual questions and analysis/synthesis questions at the end. I can make sure the supply list is straightforward and lite. But.... the problem is writing the text and creating graphics that are not hokey. To do it well, this would be overwhelmingly time consuming and would require a book contract of some sort beforehand, I think. You would need an editor, a graphic artist, and a layout specialist. I just don't think that what you guys are looking for could be created in the basement and self-published. Even if I were to take Bill Brysons' book or IGCSE material and rewrite it at an appropriate level, I think there would be a huge problem with copyright. I could even try to link an experimental approach to already published trade books, but even that is doomed to failure. Different kids learn at different levels, and if I were to lay out page numbers to read each day, it is not as open and go as a lot of you want, and would not be tailored to your child. There is a reason that this ideal curriculum has not been written! As much as I would like to attack it, it seems a major uphill struggle. I'm open to suggestions. Otherwise, I'm passing the torch to Rose. :001_smile: :thumbup1: :toetap05: Ruth in NZ 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halcyon Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 I hear you. Every single thing written here resonates with me. I have tried EVERYTHING for my rising 8th grader--just about every science curriculum out there, we have tried. Sigh. None was a fit. My favorite, and one we've TRIED to use again and again, was BFSU. We used BFSU Volume 1 to some success. And I love the content of BFSU 2, I really do. But I work part-time, and I just don't have the amount of available time necessary to prep, get library books etc. And I admit, I would love some sort of either test, or assignment that the kids could follow and do on their own to assess their learning. I may go back to BFSU, I really might--I do love the content--but it's like wading through a forest to get to the nitty gritty when I read it, and while I have the best intentions, by month 2 I am usually falling back to living books and such. This year we are very excited to be going with Clover Hill Physics with Jetta for my older. Younger? Ugh, I don't know. My guess is we will try Plato Science and lots of books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrysalis Academy Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 I've re-read this thread, and the problem is that to create a curriculum like this would be incredibly time consuming. I can estimate time and create a daily plan. I can label it beautifully and use a good font. I can create the experiments, deep thought provoking ones with both conceptual questions and analysis/synthesis questions at the end. I can make sure the supply list is straightforward and lite. But.... the problem is writing the text and creating graphics that are not hokey. To do it well, this would be overwhelmingly time consuming and would require a book contract of some sort beforehand, I think. You would need an editor, a graphic artist, and a layout specialist. I just don't think that what you guys are looking for could be created in the basement and self-published. Even if I were to take Bill Brysons' book or IGCSE material and rewrite it at an appropriate level, I think there would be a huge problem with copyright. I could even try to link an experimental approach to already published trade books, but even that is doomed to failure. Different kids learn at different levels, and if I were to lay out page numbers to read each day, it is not as open and go as a lot of you want, and would not be tailored to your child. There is a reason that this ideal curriculum has not been written! As much as I would like to attack it, it seems a major uphill struggle. I'm open to suggestions. Otherwise, I'm passing the torch to Rose. :001_smile: :thumbup1: :toetap05: Ruth in NZ Well, I'm flattered, but I'm afraid y'all would be shocked if you saw how I taught science, and it certainly wouldn't lend itself to curriculum creation! Because really, in the younger years - following the advice of moms with successful STEM kids in college - I've decided I really don't believe in curriculum. I do science focused on integration across disciplines, basic scientific literacy (in a wide range of disciplines, not just the Big Three), developing critical thinking and analytic skills, and interest-led. True, sometimes it's my interests as much as theirs! ;) But I do better when I either teach what I know, or approach it as an opportunity to learn together. I think the elementary grades are a time to learn how the world works and to explore rabbit trails. Watch lots of documentaries. Go outside a lot. Learn to grow food. Learn about the plants and animals in your watershed, and about the geological and ecological features they can see around them. Get lots of books from the library. Follow their interests, but go deeper - they don't know what all is out there to know. In middle school, focus on broad scientific literacy, math, analysis & critical thinking, and be sure to explore all the fun topics that don't fit into the high school science boxes! If you have a budding specialist, sure, let them go deep and explore that interest, but make sure they get exposure to what an educated adult show know about how the world works - including how to read and interpret science articles in the newspapers, magazines, and online, and fluency with statistics that lets them read critically and with understanding. In high school, try to figure out a way to integrate across disciplines, keep it interesting and relevant to things they know, and choose readable, interesting books and textbooks. While still looking comprehensible for college applications. Although honestly, I'm hoping that as the NGSS get more broadly adopted colleges will be open to more than just the traditional biology-chemistry-physics boxes. That's all I got, and with my oldest kid only in 8th, how do I know it even works? I don't. But I've got faith in my kids, and I think it's all going to be ok. :) 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pitterpatter Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Good design. Compelling meaningful output...creative worksheets that are not writing-intensive (no notebooking pages and not just a bunch of questions with blank lines after them), craftivities that the targeted age-set can actually complete with minimal assistance in a reasonable amount of time. A well-selected book list that isn't primarily composed of out-of-print books. I also would prefer the curriculum author to use the books listed as apposed to summarizing and writing up text her- or himself. It would be a rare homeschool curriculum author to have the kind of professional editorial support needed to competently pull this off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8filltheheart Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 FWIW, I love the Discover Nature series. The concepts behind observations are explained. http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=discover+nature+series 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybear Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 What do you mean exactly by "scientific literacy"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrysalis Academy Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 What do you mean exactly by "scientific literacy"? I mean a basic understanding of how the world works, and a basic grasp of the scientific and mathematical/statistical principles that allow you to be an informed and thoughtful citizen who can participate in your community. The kind of things covered in a book like Science Matters http://www.amazon.com/Science-Matters-Achieving-Scientific-Literacy/dp/0307454584/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1439562227&sr=8-1&keywords=science+matters or at a deeper level, in this Joy of Science GC: http://www.thegreatcourses.com/courses/joy-of-science.html The ability to read the newspaper or online articles that relate to scientific issues with intelligent understanding; the ability to engage with and form informed opinions about the ideas discussed. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybear Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Thank you for explaining. I have seen different explanations of this phrase. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ikslo Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Comic Sans! Yes! I knew there was a reason Real Science 4 Kids from BJU just came across as so homespun and amateur, even though the content was acurate. The graphics were hokey too. I'm on the lookout for a great science program, too. This thread is kinda discouraging... :p Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Real Science 4 Kids is a Gravitas publication, not BJU, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluegoat Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 I would like to put three likes on this idea. I really like the Handbook of Nature Study but it's not open and go. This would be so neat! The best things I've found that do something like this are some of the books and websites that are built around nature study. SCM has some, or the Outdoor Hour Challenge works that way. More generally - that kind of nature study combined with good living books to me is the ideal program for elementary school. It has all kinds of observation and inter-connectivity and the demonstrations in nature - which has to be better than in the kitchen - built in. I kind of wish someone would design something that would organize a program like this over a few years, to touch on a bredth of topics and that would be adaptable for different locations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Doesn't Guesthollow do this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrysalis Academy Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 FWIW, I love the Discover Nature series. The concepts behind observations are explained. http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=discover+nature+series Those look really great, and my library has two of them! I just put them on hold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrysalis Academy Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Thank you for explaining. I have seen different explanations of this phrase. It's true, it probably gets defined differently. I just share my own interpretation! I have to realize that, as much as I hope they will, my girls may not decide to "do" science for their majors or careers. So, rather than focusing on preparing them to be scientists, which may involve a little too much pushing on my part, I am focusing on turning them into scientifically literate adults, who will have all the tools they need (math and basic core knowledge) if they do decide to major in a science, but who will be intelligent and well-educated citizens who can understand their world even if they decide not to be scientists themselves. If I had a kid who was absolutely and without a doubt heading for a scientific career, I might approach things differently. But at this point, that's just wishful thinking. :) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8filltheheart Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Those look really great, and my library has two of them! I just put them on hold. We are starting the Wetland book next week. This is the first time we have lived in an area where we could do that one. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverMoon Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 FWIW, I love the Discover Nature series. The concepts behind observations are explained. http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=discover+nature+series We are starting the Wetland book next week. This is the first time we have lived in an area where we could do that one. Are the others also dependent on having typical plants, insects, and wildlife available? Most of the fabulous nature stuff doesn't really work for desert dwellers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soror Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 I would like to put three likes on this idea. I really like the Handbook of Nature Study but it's not open and go. This would be so neat! Fwiw I just posted on the main Gen Ed page about a Nature Program based on the Handbook of Nature Study that is open and go, Exploring Nature. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soror Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 FWIW, I love the Discover Nature series. The concepts behind observations are explained. http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=discover+nature+series We've checked out one of these from the library before my vague memory is that it didn't apply to our area much, but with your recommendation I'll have to check it out again. I believe it was the water and wetlands, which we don't have wetlands but we do have water so I was hoping it would be of some use or then again I could have not read carefully enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdventuresinHomeschooling Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 When my son was in school, he did FOSS modules. They were so cool. They were discovery based with experiments that drew conclusions about science. It's not available for homeschoolers though. The first year, I tried to piece together my own following FOSS modules info I got online. But I really need something done for me. It was very time consuming. I am trying some elemental science this year, but some of the hands on stuff and worksheets are so-so. I am really learning that all these experiments have to be super easy to do or they won't get done if I have to track down supplies, etc. I am thinking I will try Delta's Science in a Nutshell kits from the same company that does FOSS. Not sure if TOPS are as good. But I am finding my kids love science, and their interests change all the time. One year on one subject is too long for the . Thinking hands on kits are better. Even trying a Magic School Bus kit this year for the human body. By 6th grade, I will definitely be outsourcing science. The biggest pet peeve with science is the huge amount of time it seems to take up when I don't feel like it at the end of the day and the mess it creates. I'd rather drop them off somewhere once a week, and I realize my weakness in this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalmia Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Another thing I thought of: - I would love an experiment free science, where demonstrations are pulled from nature. So for example, if the lesson is on the adhesive property of water (or some such...), have the kids learn about it, then go outside on a dewy morning or after watering the garden and notice water clinging to things against the pull of gravity. Or if the lesson is on plant growth, have kids go out and see how many different plant seeds they can find (anything from danilion puffs to acorns). No prep, no mess, and the "hooks" for memory are coming from nature. If you are very, very patient (because I am very, very slow), I should have something quite like this as my next Nature Study title from Royal Fireworks Press (provided they are also very, very patient...). 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raising Little Shoots Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Fwiw I just posted on the main Gen Ed page about a Nature Program based on the Handbook of Nature Study that is open and go, Exploring Nature. Thanks Sorror My book, Exploring Nature With Children is 48 weeks worth of open & go nature study, that references the Handbook Of Nature Study. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanikit Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 So far I have only liked BFSU and like others mentioned I do wish that it involved less prep time. BFSU2 is easier and more straight forward to use than the first book which is also a pity as many people have ditched it by then because of having to flip through the book so much, however the information is presented in a sequence that has made sure that she does not just have to believe what I tell her - she builds on her previous knowledge and experiments and makes conclusions. I do however wish that there was a separate book that could show some output of what she had learnt - I know many ask for no worksheets, but I have found it hard to have meaningful diagrams or sentences which my child can write down more to prove what we have learnt and also because when we did do it this was the one book she wanted to keep looking at and paging through - her Math work and language arts books did not excite her as much. I have found there are a large number of easy science books to read to my child, but wish they were more easily available and that the cost was less - we do not have a good library. Maybe a science curricula with reading passages in the style of some of these books would also be nice. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runningmom80 Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 What Sparkly said. Same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korrale Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 My science curriculum pet peeve is baking soda + vinegar. Overdone. AND has nothing to do with volcanoes. ETA: Great for chemistry, discussing acids/bases, etc. Not for volcanoes. I just said the same thing this morning to a friend. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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