Jean in Newcastle Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 It just seems so soap operaish and . . . very old news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liz CA Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Is NBC rehashing it? I have not heard about it on BBC or CBC nor on the Australian channel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean in Newcastle Posted February 21, 2014 Author Share Posted February 21, 2014 Is NBC rehashing it? I have not heard about it on BBC or CBC nor on the Australian channel. NBC has had Kerrigan/Harding teasers all week during the figure skating competition. I guess they are airing a documentary about it Sunday night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucyStoner Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 20th anniversary I guess. I don't watch it on TV but I have seen tidbits about it online (links and banner ads) and even heard about it on the radio at some point in the last week or so. Apparently, figure skating ratings are at a 20 year low so I think they are digging low, very low, to boost interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KathyBC Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Whew, glad I missed that one. I'm feeling enough drama deja vu watching Yuna Kim skate perfectly, only to receive silver behind a Russian who steps out on one of her landings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catwoman Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 I don't understand it, either. It's old news, and who cares about it any more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris in VA Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 I think it's a combo of the 20th anniversary, as a pp said, and the fact that Nancy Kerrigan is now willing to talk about it. Plus, of course, they are shiling the program that is coming on Sunday. I hate when the news "hour" basically serves as a commercial for upcoming programming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slartibartfast Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Whew, glad I missed that one. I'm feeling enough drama deja vu watching Yuna Kim skate perfectly, only to receive silver behind a Russian who steps out on one of her landings. The Russian still completed the same number of jumps that Yuna Kim did, she had more in her program. She had a lot of points planned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkacademy Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 I am really not into any of this stuff. I didn't know anything about that until years later LOL It was already old news by then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WishboneDawn Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 We used to cheer for Harding before the attack. She had some spirit. Kerrigan was elegant but elegantly boring and predictable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serenade Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 20th anniversary I guess. I don't watch it on TV but I have seen tidbits about it online (links and banner ads) and even heard about it on the radio at some point in the last week or so. Apparently, figure skating ratings are at a 20 year low so I think they are digging low, very low, to boost interest. You'd think that maybe they could figure out that figure skating ratings are low because there are long commercials in between almost every skate, and it can be rather boring with all the commercials and commentary. I don't have the time to watch an hour's worth of programming for maybe not even 30 minutes worth of actual coverage. And also, skating is always covered late at night, with NBC trying to keep people watching as long as possible. I've missed skating I'd like to see, just because I'm not willing to stay up late for it, and I get so annoyed with the way they drag it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrincessMommy Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 You'd think that maybe they could figure out that figure skating ratings are low because there are long commercials in between almost every skate, and it can be rather boring with all the commercials and commentary. I don't have the time to watch an hour's worth of programming for maybe not even 30 minutes worth of actual coverage. And also, skating is always covered late at night, with NBC trying to keep people watching as long as possible. I've missed skating I'd like to see, just because I'm not willing to stay up late for it, and I get so annoyed with the way they drag it out. OMG!! The commentary is so annoying. Shut up and let us watch the skating! I don't normally get into the figure skating competition but it's been on occasionally with the kids and I'll stop by to watch it. I can't stand the constant chatter DURING the skating routines. Why can't they wait until the replay to talk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JumpyTheFrog Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 I don't have the time to watch an hour's worth of programming for maybe not even 30 minutes worth of actual coverage. The men's short program was the worst. I sat there for an hour or so waiting for skating to start. Then they showed two men skate and one withdraw. Then I waited another 1 1/2 hours, thinking I'd see another seven men skate. Nope! They only bothered with three more. Ugh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serenade Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 The men's short program was the worst. I sat there for an hour or so waiting for skating to start. Then they showed two men skate and one withdraw. Then I waited another 1 1/2 hours, thinking I'd see another seven men skate. Nope! They only bothered with three more. Ugh! I agree. When someone falls hard, or withdraws, they extend the coverage of those to about a half hour each! And still cover it over and over again. Another thing that is bugging me about skating, and this is not NBC's fault, but I do not like the newer way of scoring. I read about why they changed it, but I actually think it makes it easier for judges to be arbitrary, or to make voting agreements with other judges, because it's all covered up. I think when all the scores are shown, there is more accountability. I'm no skating expert, but sometimes it seems to me there is no rhyme or reason to the scoring. And all those men trying to do quads to get the extra points, and then most of them falling. I'd rather see someone successfully complete a triple. It seems weird to me that relatively few points are subtracted when one falls, as long as all the rotations are made. But, like I said, I'm not an expert, and I don't even pretend to understand, but these are some of the reasons I'm not as thrilled with skating as I used to be. In the past, I'd never shut off the TV in the middle of skating coverage, but now I do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umsami Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 I had definite opinions on Tonya and always viewed her as the better skater, but view her differently personally after reading about her past and her husband's abuse. I honestly never liked Nancy, even during the drama. And of course, my opinion of her sank lower when she had an affair with, and eventually married her much older, already married manager. (Sorry, but I have zero tolerance for women who sleep with other women's husbands.) This was the article on Tonya: http://www.believermag.com/issues/201401/?read=article_marshall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KathyBC Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 The Russian still completed the same number of jumps that Yuna Kim did, she had more in her program. She had a lot of points planned. I didn't see a break down of what they did, so you may have something there. But for degree of execution - elegant lines, flow into and out of jumps, positions, interpreting the music - in my mind, there was certainly not a 5 point advantage to the Russian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impish Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Judged sports frustrate the snot outta me, so I don't watch any more. I don't get the whole rehashing thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TechWife Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 20th anniversary I guess. :svengo: Boy do I feel old! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JumpyTheFrog Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Even DH commented on how graceful Yuna Kim was compared to the other skaters. I loved her classy looking costume, too. I thought a lot of the others were tacky looking. As far as the men, I enjoyed Jason Brown the best. It looked like there was nothing he'd rather be doing at that moment than performing for the audience. Most of the other men looked very serious, like it was a job they needed to do well at, but didn't necessarily like. Brown wasn't the best skater, but he seemed to have the most fun and connect with the audience in a way the others didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momacacia Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 The ice skating has been so boring this year they have to come up with something. I usually love women's figure skating, and figure skating in general, but checked the results at dinnertime last night so I didn't have to waste my evening actually watching the event and went to bed early. ;) I miss Scott Hamilton and Katerina Witt, Sale and Pelletier, and Torvill and Dean, and all the others who were entertainers as well as competitors. I miss the ones who loved the audience and the audience loved them back. Yes, I'm old and yes I wish there were a little more good attitude on the ice. I want to see someone out there who is comfortable with and loves their skating, not fretting over whether they'll make the next sextuplet axel into a octagonal toe loop. #badattitudeabouticeskatingthisOlympics #DHsendingmetoIceCapades :seeya: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milovany Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 I didn't see a break down of what they did, so you may have something there. But for degree of execution - elegant lines, flow into and out of jumps, positions, interpreting the music - in my mind, there was certainly not a 5 point advantage to the Russian. I thought Yuna's program, while nicely executed, was predictable and somewhat ... I don't know, boring? It also had a lower technical score than most of the other skaters from what I read; if you're going for gold, you give it your all. I liked the flair of Adelina's program better. She had some fun, unique moves (in addition to a more technical program), and her enthusiasm was palpable in both short and long programs. I'm not saying there was no weirdness to the judging. the five point difference in their scores was questionable, and how Julia Lipnitskaya finished so high after falling in both long and short programs is crazy. And the men's gold medalist fell once or twice in his long program. I do understand that he won because he'd scored so highly on his short program, but it just seems weird that the gold (and silver) medalist fell while there were others who had technical and fun programs that didn't fall at all in their long and short programs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WishboneDawn Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 I didn't see a break down of what they did, so you may have something there. But for degree of execution - elegant lines, flow into and out of jumps, positions, interpreting the music - in my mind, there was certainly not a 5 point advantage to the Russian. They interviewed Katarina Witt on CBC. She wasn't impressed with the results either. You're in good company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WishboneDawn Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Even DH commented on how graceful Yuna Kim was compared to the other skaters. I loved her classy looking costume, too. I thought a lot of the others were tacky looking. As far as the men, I enjoyed Jason Brown the best. It looked like there was nothing he'd rather be doing at that moment than performing for the audience. Most of the other men looked very serious, like it was a job they needed to do well at, but didn't necessarily like. Brown wasn't the best skater, but he seemed to have the most fun and connect with the audience in a way the others didn't. Loved him. I was obligated to cheer for Patrick Chan but Jason Brown was my favorite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris in VA Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 At least Dick Button isn't commentating anymore. He became comically bitter and irritable as he aged. God forbid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 I thought it was because Nancy Kerrigan was going to be providing commentary? Is she not? I don't actually watch the Olympics but I swear I saw a story that she was going to be providing commentary and to be prepared for a whole new rehashing of what happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeannie in NJ Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 I liked the old days when , when you sat down to watch figure skating, it was shown in its entirety not like now when they let you watch 2 or 3 skaters then go away to another sport for about 1 1/2 hours and then back to figure skating. This drives me crazy. I also liked when they showed all the skaters so you saw the not so good and even some rather bad ones and they made one appreciate the best ones even more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucyStoner Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 I thought it was because Nancy Kerrigan was going to be providing commentary? Is she not? I don't actually watch the Olympics but I swear I saw a story that she was going to be providing commentary and to be prepared for a whole new rehashing of what happened. no. I think the American commentators are Johnny Weir and Tara Lipinski. We've been watching CBC online instead. Kerrigan hasn't been open to interviews about this that I know of- she didn't participate in the documentary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppy Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 I think if this was Yuna Kim's debut, she'd have blown everyone out of the water. She's astonishingly graceful. The young Russian skater has novelty and youth as well as amazing execution, so they gave her the gold. This is such a subjective sport. no. I think the American commentators are Johnny Weir and Tara Lipinski. We've been watching CBC online instead. Kerrigan hasn't been open to interviews about this that I know of- she didn't participate in the documentary. Those two are on the cable version of NBC, regular NBC is just good old Scott Hamilton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audrey Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 This made me laugh because last Monday I fell straight down on my knees (I missed a bottom step that I didn't see), so my knees are bruised horribly (and actually all down my shins too). The day after I fell the first bloom of bruising appeared and my dh said, "holy crap, Audrey! Somebody's going to think I Gillooly-ed you!" Boy, did that bring back memories. LOL! And to your question... I think it must be just the US coverage because I haven't heard a peep about it from the CBC broadcasts at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katilac Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 no. I think the American commentators are Johnny Weir and Tara Lipinski. We've been watching CBC online instead. Kerrigan hasn't been open to interviews about this that I know of- she didn't participate in the documentary. She did participate in the documentary, and she is giving interviews. http://www.tvguide.com/News/Nancy-Kerrigan-Tonya-Harding-Scandal-NBC-Documentary-Mary-Carillo-1078026.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty ethel rackham Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 I think if this was Yuna Kim's debut, she'd have blown everyone out of the water. She's astonishingly graceful. The young Russian skater has novelty and youth as well as amazing execution, so they gave her the gold. This is such a subjective sport. Those two are on the cable version of NBC, regular NBC is just good old Scott Hamilton. And that horrible Sandra Bezek - At least Scott Hamilton likes the skaters out there and has enthusiasm for the sport. This Bezek woman just sounds like a bad poet who doesn't know it (like Ross on Friends and his "music" or his Ka ra TAY.) She is annoying. I wish I could have gotten the cable feed. I would have enjoyed Weir and Lipinski's commentary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stripe Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Tanya Harding cracks me up. She is basically everything a skater is not supposed to be. The stereotypical graceful and delicate thing, not at all. Oh well. I hate the way they're doing the skating; I can barely stay up to watch it, and my kids have seen almost none of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppy Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Tanya Harding cracks me up. She is basically everything a skater is not supposed to be. The stereotypical graceful and delicate thing, not at all. Oh well. I hate the way they're doing the skating; I can barely stay up to watch it, and my kids have seen almost none of it. I feel bad for her. She is the opposite of elegant. She's also an incredible athlete, and that would have mattered a whole lot more in any other sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stripe Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 I feel bad for her. She is the opposite of elegant. She's also an incredible athlete, and that would have mattered a whole lot more in any other sport. Totally. Maybe she was 20 years too early for half-pipe or skateboarding. But whatever happened with the attack on Nancy Kerrigan did not help her slightly thuggish image. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean in Newcastle Posted February 22, 2014 Author Share Posted February 22, 2014 I was living in Portland at the time of the attack and then the '94 Olympics. Since Harding was from Portland, there was a lot of Harding all the time in the local news. I guess I got my fill of it all 20 years ago and still don't find myself wanting to hear about it all over again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slartibartfast Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 I didn't see a break down of what they did, so you may have something there. But for degree of execution - elegant lines, flow into and out of jumps, positions, interpreting the music - in my mind, there was certainly not a 5 point advantage to the Russian. The difference was in the technical score, which is objective. Their routines, before they ever hit the ice, have degree of difficulty based on the things they plan to attempt. The Russian's score of difficulty was much higher. Several skaters walked into the competition with a higher degree of difficulty than Yuna Kim did. Here is an explanation of how the points were awarded by the NYT. http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/02/20/sports/olympics/womens-figure-skating.html?_r=0 It is also on the Sochi Olympics website http://www.sochi2014.com/en/figure-skating-ladies-free-skating Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KathyBC Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 No, sorry, I meant a break-down jump by jump. Yuna Kim did triple-triple combinations and did them better. So unless she was landing flips instead of lutzes or the Russian was adding loop jumps as her second jump rather than toe jumps (which I didn't see), that kind of thing, then I'm not seeing a 5-point better technical skate. ETA: Whoops, should have followed *both* your links before responding. I'm still skeptical (why is Sotnikova's three-jump combination scored better), but I do appreciate the breakdown - exactly what I was hoping for. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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