American Liberals - Where do you get your news?

[LucyStoner]

TV news is garbage. Liberal, conservative, milquetoast, whatever. It's not worth my time.

 

We read our news (WSJ, NYT, The Week, The Economist) and listen to NPR and various podcasts.

[MercyA]

Many people at my church and in my co-op watch Fox News and assume everyone else does, too.  I check out their website about once a year just to see what they're up to, and I'm always a little surprised by how smutty a lot of their stories appear to be.

 

I have views that would be considered liberal, conservative, and libertarian.  I listen to NPR and read CNN.  I'm slightly embarrassed by how many breaking news stories I learned about here on the forum first.   :blushing:  

[goldberry]

I have a firm belief that the advent of 24 hour news is the most destructive thing that has ever happened to quality journalism. It's a joke now. I search multiple sources, then research any story that seems important enough to me to warrant it. It's amazing how much work is involved now to find out what is the actual truth of any situation.

 

 

[poppy]

Thanks for all the feedback! :)

 

FWIW, we don't 'worship at the feet' of Fox News. We'd be to the right of them.  :leaving:  They drive me crazy by being too politically correct. :)  I mostly skim the headlines in the morning & before bed to be sure I haven't missed a major terrorist attack or anything (I grew up in NYC - was there when the WTC were hit). But I've quit going to CNN, etc. even out of curiosity. I get too mad. :) Now, I've never been to NPR. Seeing that mentioned here enough... Might be a good 'nother perspective. I'll have to check it out. :)

 

I'm confident that everyone here who says they get news from NPR means they listen to the radio.  The website isn't really much to speak of, just background info & podcasts of 'soft news' and interviews.

 

NPR is to liberals what Fox News is to conservatives.... background noise that we get info from, sometimes scoff at, but nonetheless influential in small and large ways.

[StephanieZ]

My most common mass-media news sources are PBS, NPR, and Huff Post. 

 

Also, a little CNN or MSNBC, and a little Comedy Central for satire.

 

ETA: No, liberals don't watch Fox unless they are tied to a chair or otherwise incapacitated. My mom (another liberal) had Fox on our (newly installed) cable TV the other day, but that is because she has Alzheimer's and has trouble finding a channel or following what they are saying. I promptly changed the channel, and reminded her that Fox is the evil empire. (I'll block it from the TVs as soon as I figure out how to work these darn smart TVs. To me, Fox is more dangerous than porn, and I've already got that blocked, lol.)

 

ETA2: I forgot to add that many liberals love print media. When we lived in the DC burbs, we got the Wash Post daily. My mom recently moved in with us (200 miles from DC, so outside the delivery area), and she has got the daily Post for 40+ years, so we are now having the Sunday paper mailed to us here. That is my gold standard so far as media. Loved having the daily paper when we could get the Post, but any other daily paper I've had access to has always sucked. Another liberal friend is a big fan of the NY Times, and got it even when she lived in Washington. I've also heard people love The Economist, but I haven't really gotten into it myself. I used to like NewsWeek, but it started sucking about 10 years ago, so I dropped my subscription about 5 years ago. (Now they are digital only.)

[Ipsey]

Thanks for all the feedback! :)

 

FWIW, we don't 'worship at the feet' of Fox News. We'd be to the right of them.  :leaving:  They drive me crazy by being too politically correct. :)  I mostly skim the headlines in the morning & before bed to be sure I haven't missed a major terrorist attack or anything (I grew up in NYC - was there when the WTC were hit). But I've quit going to CNN, etc. even out of curiosity. I get too mad. :) Now, I've never been to NPR. Seeing that mentioned here enough... Might be a good 'nother perspective. I'll have to check it out. :)

 

I really don't think most of us are reading NPR. It's National Public Radio, so I imagine that we're mostly listening to it.

 

I also like BBC which comes in (very) early-morning radio around here.

 

Of course, I also listened almost exclusively to NPR and BBC when I was a religious conservative. So. . . whatevs. :) But, I also used to listen to Rush back then, and . . oh, I can't remember who that other Fox talking head guy was. I just jettisoned those and went entirely BBC and NPR. I read other stuff online, but. . . I don't really search out specific sites.

[Cammie]

 

 

ETA: No, liberals don't watch Fox unless they are tied to a chair or otherwise incapacitated. My mom (another liberal) had Fox on our (newly installed) cable TV the other day, but that is because she has Alzheimer's and has trouble finding a channel or following what they are saying. I promptly changed the channel, and reminded her that Fox is the evil empire. (I'll block it from the TVs as soon as I figure out how to work these darn smart TVs. To me, Fox is more dangerous than porn, and I've already got that blocked, lol.)

 

 

 

Have to disagree, I know LOTS of liberals who watch FOX just to know what the enemy is up to!  :laugh:  It's not for me but some people love to feel indignant over the latest thing done on FOX.  I grew up with a VERY liberal father who made us listed to the WORST talk radio (think Rush) so that he would know what was being said.  He is also a church pastor so it gave him lots of good sermon topics as well!

[FaithManor]

I amnot liberal, also not conservative - libertarian.

 

BBC, CBC, NPR all checked online with an occasional look at CNN.

 

We also read the Copenhagen Post in English and get news from sister who is living in France and reads newspapers from France, Germany, and Belgium.

[Alessandra]

The only time I see a Fox 'news' is via Jon Stewart.

 

I read print newspapers, several, but mainly relying on NY Times.

[ThatHomeschoolDad]

NPR. Here's why...

 

http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/mediawire/174826/survey-nprs-listeners-best-informed-fox-news-viewers-worst-informed/

[QueenCat]

NPR is to liberals what Fox News is to conservatives.... background noise that we get info from, sometimes scoff at, but nonetheless influential in small and large ways.

 

See, I don't find NPR to be super liberal but I do think Fox is super conservative. I'm pretty moderate and find NPR to be the only news source that actually shares views from many different perspectives.

[Hikin' Mama]

Well, I'm conservative, but read through this thread out of curiousity. Wouldn't you know, my favorite news source is NPR and I've never watched Fox news. I don't watch TV. I also like the Economist, but don't have time to read it as thoroughly as I'd like, so I don't subscribe. I don't think NPR is that liberal, but what do I know. :)

[thescrappyhomeschooler]

NPR mostly.  BBC occasionally.  Random clicking around on the internet occasionally, too.

 

[Ipsey]

Well, I'm conservative, but read through this thread out of curiousity. Wouldn't you know, my favorite news source is NPR and I've never watched Fox news. I don't watch TV. I also like the Economist, but don't have time to read it as thoroughly as I'd like, so I don't subscribe. I don't think NPR is that liberal, but what do I know. :)

 

See, I don't think NPR is liberal either. I think it's just the smartest, most well-balanced news available in the U.S. That's why I enjoyed it at a conservative and why I still listen as a liberal.

 

NPR isn't liberal in the way that Fox is conservative.

[Slartibartfast]

I generally listen to NPR, I also like the BBC as well as the Christian Science Monitor.

 

I think most Americans would classify themselves as neither Conservative nor Liberal. I don't care about that nonsense. I don't want channels with "analysts" or other "entertainers" that  blather on about ridiculous party line garbage. I think most Americans can see through it.

 

 

[Slartibartfast]

I'm confident that everyone here who says they get news from NPR means they listen to the radio.  The website isn't really much to speak of, just background info & podcasts of 'soft news' and interviews.

 

NPR is to liberals what Fox News is to conservatives.... background noise that we get info from, sometimes scoff at, but nonetheless influential in small and large ways.

 

 

I don't think this is true. NPR is generally factual, I would agree that some MSNBC programs would be the mirror of FOX but NPR doesn't have "opinion based news entertainment"  programs like FOX and MSNBC.

 

 

I read quite a few articles on NPR's website. I follow them on facebook and they are always posting tempting morsels. :)

[Aelwydd]

I'm confident that everyone here who says they get news from NPR means they listen to the radio. The website isn't really much to speak of, just background info & podcasts of 'soft news' and interviews.

 

 

You'd be incorrect. We regularly stream PBS' News Hour along with CBS. I don't often listen to radio news at all. PBS is not the liberal equivalent of Fox News; MSNBC is. PBS and CBS news reports are generally straightforward recitation of events. They do not employ histrionics, constantly streaming provocative news banners, or engage in loud, emotional outbursts or facilitate one sided debates. They are not cable news commentary, which is what FOX, MSNBC, and CNN are.

[eternalsummer]

You'd be incorrect. We regularly stream PBS' News Hour along with CBS. I don't often listen to radio news at all. PBS is not the liberal equivalent of Fox News; MSNBC is. PBS and CBS news reports are generally straightforward recitation of events. They do not employ histrionics, constantly streaming provocative news banners, or engage in loud, emotional outbursts or facilitate one sided debates. They are not cable news commentary, which is what FOX, MSNBC, and CNN are.

 

PBS and NPR are different programs.  NPR is National Public Radio.

[kewb]

TV news-The Daily Show.

Mostly I read the news. The New York Times, Local newspaper, online BBC.

I always try to keep in mind the Mark Twain quote-

Those who do not read the papers are uninformed.  Those who do are misinformed.

[poppy]

You'd be incorrect. We regularly stream PBS' News Hour along with CBS. I don't often listen to radio news at all. PBS is not the liberal equivalent of Fox News; MSNBC is. PBS and CBS news reports are generally straightforward recitation of events. They do not employ histrionics, constantly streaming provocative news banners, or engage in loud, emotional outbursts or facilitate one sided debates. They are not cable news commentary, which is what FOX, MSNBC, and CNN are.

 

Huh, I didn't realize. I never watched Fox news. I know some of the commentators are over the top but I didn't realize it got to the news reporting too.

 

ETA I don't watch CNN or MSBC either. We don't have cable and I don't care for TV news.

[poppy]

You'd be incorrect. We regularly stream PBS' News Hour along with CBS. I don't often listen to radio news at all. PBS is not the liberal equivalent of Fox News; MSNBC is. PBS and CBS news reports are generally straightforward recitation of events. They do not employ histrionics, constantly streaming provocative news banners, or engage in loud, emotional outbursts or facilitate one sided debates. They are not cable news commentary, which is what FOX, MSNBC, and CNN are.

 

PBS  is definitely different than NPR.  But, my point was, the OP said she was going to "to go" NPR and I was pointing out it's meant to be listened to as opposed to read (or watched).

 

I do agree that NPR news is NOT slanted liberal. Several of its feature programs would not be popular with traits I associate with conservatives, though..... pro-gay marriage, not scornful of the federal government, etc.

[HRAAB]

NPR for me.  My dd likes BBC.  Like someone else mentioned, The Economist and Daily Kos.  Al-Jazeera America too. Dh watches PBS News Hour.  I don't watch much news on TV; I tend to read news.  I do not like HuffPo.  

[Dicentra]

google news is my favorite. BBC is another news site I frequent. We don't watch any of the 24 hr news. If we watch news, it's either the local news or CBC (yay for living close to Canada!)

 

Hey!  Somebody in the States knows about the CBC! :D ;)

 

Not American but I listen to CBC Radio 1 and classical MPR in the vehicle and I go to the CBC website for news.  I have to admit, though, that I'm beginning to become disgruntled with CBC's idea of what constitutes "news".  They seem to have more and more fluff, public interest, or sensationalistic stories and less hard news.  May have to switch to the BBC.

[LibraryLover]

NPR is so soothing and civil, even when the new is awful. I have seen Fox, and it's disconcerting Too much yelling..

 

 

[Anacharsis]

For television news, I quite like NHK World.

[Haiku]

I get most of my news from NPR. I get the rest from online sites and links people post on FB.

 

I never watch news on tv. Too much sensationalism, and talking heads make me angry. I can't stand any type of news that attempts to be entertainment rather than news or any program/pundit who tries to make every single news item into a conservative vs. liberal issue. I don't need any venue to tell me how I should interpret my news. I have a brain; I can understand the news just fine, tyvm! :)

 

 

[Haiku]

FWIW, I don't know anyone in real life who will admit to watching Fox news.  Not even my super conservative relatives.  Maybe they do watch it, but they won't admit to it.

 

I know people who admit to it, but they all do it kinda sheepishly. And we all laugh about it. Because really, no one can actually believe that Fox has no spin. Everyone knows they rotate like a tilt-o-whirl. So even those who are conservative and like Fox know that they are getting biased news.

 

Except my mom. She thinks Fox is straight-up news. *sigh* But she also wore a Sarah Palin button to my grandmother's funeral, so she's beyond hope.

[Haiku]

NPR is to liberals what Fox News is to conservatives.... background noise that we get info from, sometimes scoff at, but nonetheless influential in small and large ways.

 

I don't think that's true at all. Definitely not true in my case. I listen to NPR because I don't want news that's super-slanted one way or another. I do think NPR leans a little bit liberal, but in no way is it the screaming, hysterical, flame-fanning beast that Fox is.

[LaxMom]

I know people who unabashedly watch only Fox News and think it's balanced.

 

FWIW, I stream NPR live from the WAMU (American University) website when I'm in the house (we get WAMU and their beach station in the car). You have to go to your local NPR station website to listen live. They all broadcast things at different times.

[chiguirre]

Another feature I really like about NPR (or at least KUHF, my local station) is their local news coverage. It's much more detailed and in depth than any local TV news. I've learned a lot about Houston by listening to Houston Matters on the radio.

[Lady Florida.]

You'd be incorrect. We regularly stream PBS' News Hour along with CBS. I don't often listen to radio news at all. PBS is not the liberal equivalent of Fox News; MSNBC is. PBS and CBS news reports are generally straightforward recitation of events. They do not employ histrionics, constantly streaming provocative news banners, or engage in loud, emotional outbursts or facilitate one sided debates. They are not cable news commentary, which is what FOX, MSNBC, and CNN are.

 

That's one of the reasons why I like reading news rather than watching. Of course reading it doesn't guarantee objectivity, but at least I can pick and choose the articles and sources, and I don't have to listen to the commenter's loud rant. I often read about the same event at different sites so I can get more than one viewpoint.

[Lady Florida.]

Another feature I really like about NPR (or at least KUHF, my local station) is their local news coverage. It's much more detailed and in depth than any local TV news. I've learned a lot about Houston by listening to Houston Matters on the radio.

 

Mine is that way too. Our local (Orlando) TV news stations are still occasionally bringing up Casey Anthony six years later. Really, I'm done hearing about her. You won't hear about her on WMFE, the Orlando PBS station. It's in depth, unemotional, and relevant.

[AmandaVT]

Hey!  Somebody in the States knows about the CBC! :D ;)

 

Not American but I listen to CBC Radio 1 and classical MPR in the vehicle and I go to the CBC website for news.  I have to admit, though, that I'm beginning to become disgruntled with CBC's idea of what constitutes "news".  They seem to have more and more fluff, public interest, or sensationalistic stories and less hard news.  May have to switch to the BBC.

 

One of the many nice things about living in VT, we get some Canadian TV stations!  :-)  CBC's fluff and sensation pales in comparison to MSNBC or Fox News. Every once in a while, DH will put on on of the cable news channels and we can never last more than a minute or two before needing to change the channel.

[Dicentra]

One of the many nice things about living in VT, we get some Canadian TV stations!  :-)  CBC's fluff and sensation pales in comparison to MSNBC or Fox News. Every once in a while, DH will put on on of the cable news channels and we can never last more than a minute or two before needing to change the channel.

 

I find that I still like Peter Mansbridge and his reporting on The National.  CBC's radio news is still good, as well.  It's their website news that sometimes seems to skew to the fluff or sensationalistic side of things.  I don't think I've watched an American TV news cast - at least not for many, many years.  Now I'm curious. ;)

[TianXiaXueXiao]

I'm an Independent and I never watch news on tv. On the radio I listen to npr and ewtn. I read AP, BBC, Reuters, CSM, and China Digital Times online. Otherwise, I read local newspapers.

[redsquirrel]

I don't own a TV, and don't know anyone my age (40s) who watches regular TV news. I don't think I know anyone with a cable subscription, they all seem to have apple TV or Roku, Hulu, etc.

 

I get current happenings via Twitter, I follow many local, national, and international news sources there. I am amazed at how quickly news spreads via Twitter. I have a digital subscription to the NY times and read it on my phone or my laptop.

 

I visit Daily Kos every day. I don't always read everything, but I do skim the front page and read more if something catches my eye. I download a video podcast of The Rachel Maddow show and watch that when I am cooking dinner. I get it a day behind, but no biggie. I read The Economist in print when I can get my hands on it and online at least once a week. I check The Guardian online every day.  I check The Wall Street Journal and read unlocked articles. I read Scientific American regularly.

 

The closest I get to a nightly new show is The Daily Show and The Colbert Report. I stream those to my laptop. I might watch individual clips two or three evenings a week. I don't stream an entire show preferring to cherry pick what looks appealing or what I heard buzz'd about. 

 

I do listen to NPR, but that is mostly music and through the NPR app. I prefer to listen to classical music and I stream it through my phone during the day. I will listen to the news on NPR, but only if it is on when I am in the car. I don't seek it out.

 

I don't find the new on NPR to be particularly liberal or conservative. I find it "non-inflamitory" if that makes any sense.

 

[Pawz4me]

I don't find the new on NPR to be particularly liberal or conservative. I find it "non-inflamitory" if that makes any sense.

 

I think that's a very good way to describe it.

[Denise in Florida]

No No No to Fox News  :glare: , sadly some of my older relatives watch it and it has not been a good thing.

 

 I try to cover a broad range of news.

 

I skim through aggregater sites like google, yahoo or huffington (ignore the 'society stuff'), if something is interesting I try to find at least two different sources.  If the story is about what so-and-so said or did, I try to locate a prime document source (i.e., text or video of speech).  If it is a story in a specific town, such as 'protester arrested in Jackson, MS" I go to that local news.

 

For general daily news listening I prefer NPR.  I subscribe to "American Conservative".  I do not generally watch TV but I like Daily Show and Colbert Report when I catch them. 

 

I was conservative but have been moving steadily leftward with the last three presidential cycles. I still have a lot of conservative ideals but I don't have a party 'home' right now.

 

The 24 hour news cycle and the usurpation of the news shows by the entertainment divisions has not been a good thing in general.

 

[Little Women]

I didn't read all the answers, so please forgive me if my points have already been made. 

 

Fox is no further to the right than ABC (and the rest of the MSMs are further left than ABC).  So a lot of moderates will watch Fox or Fox plus another to balance themselves out. 

 

But since Fox is the only major news from a conservative viewpoint, and there are many major news sources which are liberal, the liberal viewers may well split themselves up.   If there are 5 liberal TV options and only 1 conservative one, there are going to be a lot fewer viewers for each liberal station.

[umsami]

I didn't read all the answers, so please forgive me if my points have already been made. 

 

Fox is no further to the right than ABC (and the rest of the MSMs are further left than ABC).  So a lot of moderates will watch Fox or Fox plus another to balance themselves out. 

 

But since Fox is the only major news from a conservative viewpoint, and there are many major news sources which are liberal, the liberal viewers may well split themselves up.   If there are 5 liberal TV options and only 1 conservative one, there are going to be a lot fewer viewers for each liberal station.

 

LOL. So not true.  ABC would be laughed off the air if they regularly demonized a President and administration the way Fox does.  

 

The whole liberal media thing is a myth, BTW, unless you mean that liberal means unbiased?   If the media is so liberal, why did they run the fake ACORN stuff?  Why did they ignore all the Iraq war protests?  Did you look at the election coverage?  http://www.upworthy.com/why-the-gop-cant-use-liberal-media-bias-as-an-excuse-anymore

 

Fox news is the number one cable news channel int the country, and has been for some time.  It is staunchly conservative. (IF you look at these ratings, you'll see that the other networks are nowhere close http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2014/04/18/cable-news-ratings-for-thursday-april-17-2014/255138/ )  The number 1 talk radio is Rush Limbaugh, decidedly conservative.  Number 1 news aggregator site? Drudge Report, also staunch conservative.  Number one paper for business people and number one newspaper in the country (beats USA Today and NYTimes)? The Wall Street Journal, owned by Rupert Murdoch yet again.  

 

I wouldn't call Disney or Comcast/Time Warner liberal…and they are the other major player.  I suppose we could more accurately say, the media has a corporate bias…. and that definitely impacts policy far more than a conservative or liberal one.  About the only news channel which one could argue is liberal is MSNBC, and their ratings are abysmal.  

[Ipsey]

No No No to Fox News  :glare: , sadly some of my older relatives watch it and it has not been a good thing.

 

 I try to cover a broad range of news.

 

I skim through aggregater sites like google, yahoo or huffington (ignore the 'society stuff'), if something is interesting I try to find at least two different sources.  If the story is about what so-and-so said or did, I try to locate a prime document source (i.e., text or video of speech).  If it is a story in a specific town, such as 'protester arrested in Jackson, MS" I go to that local news.

 

For general daily news listening I prefer NPR.  I subscribe to "American Conservative".  I do not generally watch TV but I like Daily Show and Colbert Report when I catch them. 

 

I was conservative but have been moving steadily leftward with the last three presidential cycles. I still have a lot of conservative ideals but I don't have a party 'home' right now.

 

The 24 hour news cycle and the usurpation of the news shows by the entertainment divisions has not been a good thing in general.

 

I too have seen how Fox news has really created agony for older folks. Our "adopted" grandmother, who lived next to us in our previous town, got all of her news from Fox. She died last week. Her friend and caretaker told me she had stopped going to the doctor and stopped taking her pain medication for her lung cancer because "Uncle Obama" was going to make sure that if she used her medicine now, she would use it all up, and she wouldn't have any left when she really needed it. She told me this several times on the phone, and I tried to convince her this wasn't the truth and that she needed to talk to her doctors and other medical profession friends (she was a nurse!), but she was certain everyone had the wool pulled over their eyes and Fox was the only one who had it right and she just thanked God for Fox. She was terrified of "Death panels."  By the time her children realized how sick she was (all lived in different states, and she had been keeping the worst from me) and flew/drove in and called in hospice and 24-hour care, she died just 2 days later. She died in terrible pain and fear of the government and the health care that could have eased some of her pain. Some of the blame for her agonizing death goes to Fox News.

[Denise in Florida]

I didn't read all the answers, so please forgive me if my points have already been made. 

 

Fox is no further to the right than ABC (and the rest of the MSMs are further left than ABC).  So a lot of moderates will watch Fox or Fox plus another to balance themselves out. 

 

But since Fox is the only major news from a conservative viewpoint, and there are many major news sources which are liberal, the liberal viewers may well split themselves up.   If there are 5 liberal TV options and only 1 conservative one, there are going to be a lot fewer viewers for each liberal station.

 

I don't agree but perhaps the issue is "where is center?"  I think the so called liberal media is much closer to 'center left' than it is to 'left left', while Fox is 'right,right'. Also it looks as if those considered 'moderates' are usually slightly right of center. 

 

I have many conservative core beliefs but cannot bear to watch Fox. I looked forward to Megyn Kelly's new show, thinking she seemed to have sparks of independence but found it was disappointing.  

 

Either way, I prefer to use multiple sources since all organizations tend to have some degree of bias. I also prefer print/online because TV news can't provide nuance in the short amount of time they spend on each story.  

 

I also try to avoid sites that use slanted/code language, I admit that can be hard to find. :) 

[mommymilkies]

I don't have cable.  I look all over the place-not just US sources.  I do NOT use Fox. 

[QueenCat]

I too have seen how Fox news has really created agony for older folks. Our "adopted" grandmother, who lived next to us in our previous town, got all of her news from Fox. She died last week. Her friend and caretaker told me she had stopped going to the doctor and stopped taking her pain medication for her lung cancer because "Uncle Obama" was going to make sure that if she used her medicine now, she would use it all up, and she wouldn't have any left when she really needed it. She told me this several times on the phone, and I tried to convince her this wasn't the truth and that she needed to talk to her doctors and other medical profession friends (she was a nurse!), but she was certain everyone had the wool pulled over their eyes and Fox was the only one who had it right and she just thanked God for Fox. She was terrified of "Death panels."  By the time her children realized how sick she was (all lived in different states, and she had been keeping the worst from me) and flew/drove in and called in hospice and 24-hour care, she died just 2 days later. She died in terrible pain and fear of the government and the health care that could have eased some of her pain. Some of the blame for her agonizing death goes to Fox News.

 

That is so incredibly sad.

 

[umsami]

One of the many nice things about living in VT, we get some Canadian TV stations!  :-)  CBC's fluff and sensation pales in comparison to MSNBC or Fox News. Every once in a while, DH will put on on of the cable news channels and we can never last more than a minute or two before needing to change the channel.

 

When I lived in Michigan, we used to watch CBC all the time….and not just for hockey.  We got a few stations…one from Windsor (CBC), one that was French Canadian, and then another which was TVO out of Ontario and had great kids programming and was kind of like Canadian PBS.

 

I miss Canadian TV.  I remember I was excited when we looked at moving to the Lake Champlain region because I was hoping we'd have Canadian TV again.