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The other day I overheard my boys talking about my oldest receiving text messages from an 11yo girl. When I asked why an 11yo was texting him, he complained it was all the time even though he'd asked her to stop and tried to ignore her. Then he sent one back telling her "stop texting me, text someone your own age."

 

That evening I was helping him study for his final and his friend, 16yo, stopped by for a few minutes and the girl texted ds again (I had taken his phone like I do every night but it was sitting on the counter in front of us). The friend said the same girl was at the skating rink and tried to "pick him up." He said she initially lied about her age saying she was 14yo but through their talking he found out she lied and told her "this probably isn't even legal" and left to talk to someone else.

 

This 11yo has a phone and an open facebook account with lots of suggestive photos. (My boys were telling me she looks 14yo then showed me.) Her signature on her texts is "I get around" ???!! What?? She's 11!!

 

My first thoughts were how much trouble she could get in or get teen boys in with her behavior and the next was "Where are her parents in all this? Why are they allowing her to have access to technology without monitoring her and allowing her to be in places like the skating rink on Friday nights where lots of teens hang out?"

 

Maybe I am so appalled because she is only a couple years older than my own dd.

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I'm just as appalled as you are. If I knew this girl's parents, I'd be giving them a call to let them know what's going on. It's very possible they have no idea what she's doing.

 

I will add that things like this make me wonder what has happened in this girl's life to make her like this. It makes me sad.

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I'd tell her parents if you could find a way. If that were my kid I'd want to know!

 

 

The problem is the parents who are truly involved and would give more than lipservice to "I'd want to know!" I'd still tell the parent. It may be the push toward the reality of the child's behavior the parent needs.

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What is also disturbing is the harm she could do to the older boys by embellishing a situation that could certainly get them into trouble.

 

Can the boys block her?

 

If I knew her parents, I'd probably say something to them. I would assume they didn't know and that they would care if they did. If that turned out to not be true, I'd tell my son to have a ZERO CONTACT policy for his own safety

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I agree. If you can tell the parents, definitely alert them to all behavior. At 11 years old, a little girl should be playing with Barbies and fixing her hair, not trying to pick up teen guys. It also speaks to the environment in which she may be growing up in, and probably desperately needs our prayers.

I am guessing the parents maybe already and know, and aren't doing anything about it because "it's what all the kids are doing". Know what I mean? It still needs to be brought to their attention if at all possible. Maybe they are the ones that need a swift kick in the rear!

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I don't know the parents in this situation. If I did, I would most certainly alert them to what is going on. I don't know that I feel comfortable doing all the research it would take to find out who are parents are and contacting them without any prior relationship. Just wondering what ones reaction might be to a perfect stranger bringing something like that to your attention?

 

She doesn't even attend middle school yet. If she did, I might feel more comfortable speaking to one of the teachers who could then contact the parents or who might know how to proceed with the information. We just recently moved to the area so I do not know anyone in the grammar school who I could talk to.

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I'm in the "I'd want to know" camp. But, in my experience, parents who allow their very young kids access without limits or supervision prefer to live in denial. And they like to turn it on you when you interfere with their ignorance. (obviously I don't mean all parents who allow heir children technology, but there are plenty who circumvent the Facebook age policies, hand their kid a smart phone, and walk away, thinking their little angel would never... Fill in the blank)

 

I'd block her on the phone and Facebook. While I am concerned for this child, my immediate concern would be for your son. Eventually, this is going to hit the fan and the parents are likely to go after the "predators" of their "innocent" little girl.

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I have on occasion texted people from dd17's phone with the message, "This is dd's mom. You need to stop texting her NOW." Perhaps something like that would work for you. With an 11 year old, you might add, "Or I will be telling your parents."

 

I can't imagine what those other parents are thinking. Most likely, they are not thinking, because they have no idea what their daughter is doing.

 

Tara

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I'd block her on the phone and Facebook. While I am concerned for this child, my immediate concern would be for your son. Eventually, this is going to hit the fan and the parents are likely to go after the "predators" of their "innocent" little girl.

 

 

:iagree::iagree:

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I think it is hard for parents to keep on top of cell phone and computer use.

 

I don't. My dd17 has a cell phone and a Facebook account. The computer is in the main room of the house, and her laptop has the wireless disabled in the bios. If she's using the internet, we can plainly see what she's doing. I have her Facebook password, and she's on my friend list. She knows that I will occasionally "spot-check" her phone to see what the texts are. We have these rules in place because she has, in the past, abused the Facebook and texting privileges (and she looks older than she is and receives unwanted attention from older males). I know I can't monitor everything she does, and I don't want to, but I can have a reasonable idea of what she's up to.

 

It would be even easier with an 11 year old, who wouldn't (or at least shouldn't) have as much physical freedom as a 17 year old.

 

I was a good kid and I managed to do things without my parents knowing that would have greatly upset them.

 

I did too, but not at 11.

 

How did she get his phone number?

 

Once you put your cell phone number out there, anyone can get it. Dd17 actually changed her number once because she was very free with giving it out and came to regret it. Now only her close friends have it, and they have been instructed not to share it.

 

Tara

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If you're not close to these parents, keep your mouth shut. there's nothing you can do becuase you'd either be a total stranger questioning their parenting abilities, their marvelous child, or they just don't care.

 

Some kids "mature" faster than others. A girl got pregnant in 6th grade in my elementary school thirty (Ack!) years ago. I remember thinking, "Gross!" and, "Her life is OVER!" and then moved on to 4 square.

 

My parents questioned me about it - I thought it was awesome because the girl was a bully and she dropped out of school. When they realized I wasn't too affected by it, we moved on.

 

I'll teach my son to keep an eye out for girls like this because that's trouble for everyone involved. Poor kld. When does she plan on being a kid??!??

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I would contact facebook about her real age and a link to the account.

http://www.facebook.com/policy.php

 

You must be 13 for facebook.

 

Facebook requires individuals to be at least 13 years old before they can create an account. In some jurisdictions, the age limit may be higher. Providing false information to create an account is always a violation of our Statement of Rights and Responsibilities. This includes accounts registered on the behalf of under 13 year old children by older parties.

 

If your underage child (child under the age of 13) has created an account on Facebook, you can show them how to delete their account by having them log into their account and following this link.

 

If you would like to report an account registered for an underage child to us, please do so here. We will promptly delete the account of any child under the age of 13 that is reported to us through this form.

/help/?faq=157793540954833

 

 

 

EDIT: Everyone should read that as there are some serious things about what FB does ...

 

Access Device and Browser Information. When you access Facebook from a computer, mobile phone, or other device, we may collect information from that device about your browser type, location, and IP address, as well as the pages you visit.

 

FB knows where that photo was taken. It can be read off of the header information for that file.

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I would prefer to tell the school counselor, as anonymously as possible. ie: "I have heard that she has been texting teenaged boys and contacting them on facebook, and based on the purported content of the texts and her facebook page, I am concerned for her well-being."

 

As others have said, her parents could become quite defensive if you approached them, and could easily turn the tables and accuse your son of making the first move, and get him in a load of trouble.

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For your son's own protection, I would block that girl's number from his phone. God forbid she ever sent him a suggestive picture or lewd text, he could be in very, very serious trouble, whether he wanted the interactions or not.

 

I'd also make sure that he had no further online or phone-based communication with her, for his own legal protection. These situations can turn into very, very serious legal problems, unfortunately.

 

I may be paranoid, but I've heard of too many cases of older teens being brought up on child porn or abuse charges because of situations like this. And the problem is that, if you approach her parents, they may get angry and defensive and turn around and try to blame everything on your son, which would be a bad situation.

 

ETA: I don't want to see insensitive to this girl's plight. I would imagine that if she's acting out this way, there are some very serious problems in her life. But, the sad fact is that people end up spending their lives on the sex offender registry because of situations like this. I think your first priority has to be making sure that this girl is barred from having any further online or textual communication with your son, because he is in a very vulnerable position otherwise. After that, I'd consider alerting the school counselor, as somebody else suggested.

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I would prefer to tell the school counselor, as anonymously as possible. ie: "I have heard that she has been texting teenaged boys and contacting them on facebook, and based on the purported content of the texts and her facebook page, I am concerned for her well-being."

 

As others have said, her parents could become quite defensive if you approached them, and could easily turn the tables and accuse your son of making the first move, and get him in a load of trouble.

 

I have to agree with this one...We use to live near a girl a few years back that was headed towards this kind of road...She had older sisters (teenagers) she was with a lot and her parents were never really around...She dressed very suggestive and wore makeup at 8 years old...She would be about 11 now...

 

Hope it's not the same girl :tongue_smilie:

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I have on occasion texted people from dd17's phone with the message, "This is dd's mom. You need to stop texting her NOW." Perhaps something like that would work for you. With an 11 year old, you might add, "Or I will be telling your parents."

 

 

 

:iagree: Or block her if he can. I'd block her on facebook too. I agree with those who say you need to protect your son so that this doesn't come back on him.

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For your son's own protection, I would block that girl's number from his phone. God forbid she ever sent him a suggestive picture or lewd text, he could be in very, very serious trouble, whether he wanted the interactions or not.

 

I'd also make sure that he had no further online or phone-based communication with her, for his own legal protection. These situations can turn into very, very serious legal problems, unfortunately.

 

I may be paranoid, but I've heard of too many cases of older teens being brought up on child porn or abuse charges because of situations like this. And the problem is that, if you approach her parents, they may get angry and defensive and turn around and try to blame everything on your son, which would be a bad situation.

 

ETA: I don't want to see insensitive to this girl's plight. I would imagine that if she's acting out this way, there are some very serious problems in her life. But, the sad fact is that people end up spending their lives on the sex offender registry because of situations like this. I think your first priority has to be making sure that this girl is barred from having any further online or textual communication with your son, because he is in a very vulnerable position otherwise. After that, I'd consider alerting the school counselor, as somebody else suggested.

 

 

:iagree: This.

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For your son's own protection, I would block that girl's number from his phone. God forbid she ever sent him a suggestive picture or lewd text, he could be in very, very serious trouble, whether he wanted the interactions or not.

 

I'd also make sure that he had no further online or phone-based communication with her, for his own legal protection. These situations can turn into very, very serious legal problems, unfortunately.

 

I may be paranoid, but I've heard of too many cases of older teens being brought up on child porn or abuse charges because of situations like this. And the problem is that, if you approach her parents, they may get angry and defensive and turn around and try to blame everything on your son, which would be a bad situation.

 

ETA: I don't want to see insensitive to this girl's plight. I would imagine that if she's acting out this way, there are some very serious problems in her life. But, the sad fact is that people end up spending their lives on the sex offender registry because of situations like this. I think your first priority has to be making sure that this girl is barred from having any further online or textual communication with your son, because he is in a very vulnerable position otherwise. After that, I'd consider alerting the school counselor, as somebody else suggested.

:iagree::iagree::iagree:

 

I have seen two sweet boys get in serious trouble for the thoughtless acts of some girls sending naked pictures of themselves.

 

Frankly, I'd like to see the girls prosecuted for sending them, too.

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If you are so inclined you could just call her number and lie. Tell her that you are a friend of her mom's but you've misplaced mom's number. Would she let you speak with her for a minute.

 

I would seriously consider filing a police report though. This kid is basically phone stalking your ds. If and when her parents do find out what she is up to they will be looking for the boys she has been texting. Probably with the intent to do something legally - especially when she pops up pregnant.

 

Keep a log of each date, time and message.

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How did she get his phone number?

 

He's not sure. She has an older sister in either my ds's grade or a year older who might have gotten his number from one of his friends or my younger son's friends often call the older one to get in touch with his brother because 13yo doesn't have a phone (many of his friends are 6th grade neighbors and some have younger siblings).

 

It's a small "town" so really there are any number of ways she could have gotten his phone number.

 

I think my neighbor's 5th grade dd sometimes plays with this little girl so I am going to talk to her about it.

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If her facebook is, indeed, "open", you might be able to figure out who her parents are and contact them.

 

I don't care about "defensiveness" on their part, I'd contact that and give them a chance to respond to the information that their dd is at risk.

 

I'd block all contact with my teenage son.

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For your son's own protection, I would block that girl's number from his phone. God forbid she ever sent him a suggestive picture or lewd text, he could be in very, very serious trouble, whether he wanted the interactions or not.

 

I'd also make sure that he had no further online or phone-based communication with her, for his own legal protection. These situations can turn into very, very serious legal problems, unfortunately.

 

I may be paranoid, but I've heard of too many cases of older teens being brought up on child porn or abuse charges because of situations like this. And the problem is that, if you approach her parents, they may get angry and defensive and turn around and try to blame everything on your son, which would be a bad situation.

 

ETA: I don't want to see insensitive to this girl's plight. I would imagine that if she's acting out this way, there are some very serious problems in her life. But, the sad fact is that people end up spending their lives on the sex offender registry because of situations like this. I think your first priority has to be making sure that this girl is barred from having any further online or textual communication with your son, because he is in a very vulnerable position otherwise. After that, I'd consider alerting the school counselor, as somebody else suggested.

 

 

:iagree:

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Facebook does not allow users under 13. If she has a facebook account and is using it she is lying about her age and she 1) is violating their age restriction and 2) she is using false personal info. Both of which are against their terms of use http://www.facebook.com/terms.php

 

You can report her to facebook and they WILL investigate and delete her account. You can do it anonymously http://www.facebook.com/help/contact.php?show_form=underage

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I'm just going to throw this out there...

 

Perhaps her FB and phone have been taken over by one of her sisters or so-called friends and they have "hacked" it. I've seem some pretty offensive things put on really nice people's FB pages because their password got compromised.

 

However, I'd still block all of the access to my sons computer and phone for his own sake.

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I'm just going to throw this out there...

 

Perhaps her FB and phone have been taken over by one of her sisters or so-called friends and they have "hacked" it. I've seem some pretty offensive things put on really nice people's FB pages because their password got compromised.

 

However' date=' I'd still block all of the access to my sons computer and phone for his own sake.[/quote']

 

That's true. My SIL had this happen to her. Her granddaughter was sending her weird texts and saying weird things about her on facebook and she couldn't figure out why, then she realized it was her daughter not her granddaughter because she was mad at something she had done.

 

Although, I still wouldn't put it past an eleven year old either.

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I have a boy who is 10.5 yrs old and he doesn't even *have* a cell phone. Do most 11 yr olds???

My 11-year old has a cell phone. We each have our own phones and no land line. Half the time dd doesn't know where hers is and the other half it isn't charged. But, yes, she does have one.

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I'd take the recommended steps to protect your son. He needs to be aware of the very serious risk he takes in having any contact with this girl.

 

If it is really her (and not someone hacking her account/phone) my concern about contacting the parents directly is that if she is in any sort of abuse situation or if her home environment has contributed to this behavior, your contact with them may not work out the way you hope.

 

She needs counseling that her parents may not be equipped to give. T

 

hey may also turn your son into the bad guy. I'd seek out a professional at the school, if she attends.

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I know a young man who had his life ruined/forever affected with something like this. She's underage, lying about her age, and trying to contact (hook up?? blech) with older boys and in some states if a boy is a certain age difference you've got potential major legal problems. Since this is a small town the boys involved know her true age, correct? I hope. I think the boys need protection as she does obviously. I'd contact authorities so you have a paper trail/proof she's stalking boys and her pictures and etc. are not wanted. She clearly needs help as well. The boys should have no contact and block her. They need to know how serious this is. Her pictures alone are a problem.

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The boys should have no contact and block her. They need to know how serious this is. Her pictures alone are a problem.

 

I just want to underscore this. This is VERY serious for your son. Especially if some of the boys involved are 16+, but even a 4-year age difference, at this point, could make a huge difference legally depending on the laws of your state.

 

We're talking about the very real potential for being brought up on child pornography and/or sexual abuse charges. The fact that this girl has suggestive photos on her FB page is a huge red flag to me that this could turn into a terrible situation if steps aren't taken immediately to bar any and all contact from and with her. It doesn't matter if the contact was unwanted. It doesn't matter if she initiated everything. It doesn't matter if she lied about her age. It doesn't matter if she and her parents don't want any charges brought against anybody. If one of these boys was found with a suggestive picture of her on his phone, or sent to him in an e-mail, or to have lewd texts or FB messages from her, he could be facing extremely serious legal charges. And, in today's climate, these things do not generally get written off as a misunderstanding and get calmly resolved. In situations like this, the older teens are often lucky if they end up with probation, a felony on their record, and a lifetime on a sex offender registry rather than serving time.

 

So this is extremely, extremely serious. Obviously this girl is very troubled, and needs help. But, these boys are also in a very dangerous situation, and I think any adult aware of it needs to take whatever steps are necessary to block any and all online/phone contact with this girl and to make sure that they understand how truly serious it is and that they really cannot have any contact with her at all.

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My 11-year old has a cell phone. We each have our own phones and no land line. Half the time dd doesn't know where hers is and the other half it isn't charged. But, yes, she does have one.

 

Yes, my son got his cell phone at 11. We got rid of our landline at that time, and were just starting to leave him alone for short periods of time. I wasn't going to leave him without a phone.

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I just want to underscore this. This is VERY serious for your son. Especially if some of the boys involved are 16+, but even a 4-year age difference, at this point, could make a huge difference legally depending on the laws of your state.

 

We're talking about the very real potential for being brought up on child pornography and/or sexual abuse charges. The fact that this girl has suggestive photos on her FB page is a huge red flag to me that this could turn into a terrible situation if steps aren't taken immediately to bar any and all contact from and with her. It doesn't matter if the contact was unwanted. It doesn't matter if she initiated everything. It doesn't matter if she lied about her age. It doesn't matter if she and her parents don't want any charges brought against anybody. If one of these boys was found with a suggestive picture of her on his phone, or sent to him in an e-mail, or to have lewd texts or FB messages from her, he could be facing extremely serious legal charges. And, in today's climate, these things do not generally get written off as a misunderstanding and get calmly resolved. In situations like this, the older teens are often lucky if they end up with probation, a felony on their record, and a lifetime on a sex offender registry rather than serving time.

 

So this is extremely, extremely serious. Obviously this girl is very troubled, and needs help. But, these boys are also in a very dangerous situation, and I think any adult aware of it needs to take whatever steps are necessary to block any and all online/phone contact with this girl and to make sure that they understand how truly serious it is and that they really cannot have any contact with her at all.

 

:iagree::iagree: And just remember, if Lolita makes any claims her identity will not be in the press, but the male's will. Whatever the outcome, the male's reputation is tainted.

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I'm in the "I'd want to know" camp. But, in my experience, parents who allow their very young kids access without limits or supervision prefer to live in denial. And they like to turn it on you when you interfere with their ignorance. (obviously I don't mean all parents who allow heir children technology, but there are plenty who circumvent the Facebook age policies, hand their kid a smart phone, and walk away, thinking their little angel would never... Fill in the blank)

 

I'd block her on the phone and Facebook. While I am concerned for this child, my immediate concern would be for your son. Eventually, this is going to hit the fan and the parents are likely to go after the "predators" of their "innocent" little girl.

 

:iagree:

 

In addition, I would text her back. Tell her you are Mrs. __________ and ask her what she wants. I would make a point to tell her that your son is no longer allowed to receive her texts and she needs to stop.

 

After that, change the number or block her.

 

I had a girl call the house once around 11:00pm asking for ds. She never talked to him. She talked to me. I nicely, but firmly, told her to stop and that there was no reason to call again. She got the point.

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I would call the non-emergency line for the police and tell them the situation and that your son has asked her to stop repeatedly and she won't. The police will make a report and then they will contact her and tell her if she does not stop, it will be telephonic harassment and charges will be pressed. I am assuming because of her age they would also let her parents know but I am not sure because I have only had to do this with older people. Every time it has worked for us, the police make a simple phone call and the texting/calling stops. It would also start a paper trail and show you/your son asked for the contact to stop just in case she tries to turn it in to something else.

 

I have heard horror stories in the news in our area that I would hate to happen to your son!

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Regardless of whether or not you know the parents, think about how you would feel to discover your daughter was up to something like this. Or think how you would feel if you found out another parent knew but said nothing to you about it.

 

Please do what you can to contact this girl's parents. This girl truly needs redirecting.

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I would call the non-emergency line for the police and tell them the situation and that your son has asked her to stop repeatedly and she won't. The police will make a report and then they will contact her and tell her if she does not stop, it will be telephonic harassment and charges will be pressed. I am assuming because of her age they would also let her parents know but I am not sure because I have only had to do this with older people. Every time it has worked for us, the police make a simple phone call and the texting/calling stops. It would also start a paper trail and show you/your son asked for the contact to stop just in case she tries to turn it in to something else.

 

I have heard horror stories in the news in our area that I would hate to happen to your son!

 

:iagree: And BLOCK HER. If she starts sending nude pics of herself, or other sexually explicit material, and your ds sends it, or shares it with anyone else, he can be charged with exploiting a child sexually. And yes, it has happened in cases very similar to your ds'. If he got convicted, he'd be labeled a sex offender for the rest of his life.

 

Do not take this lightly. The girl should be reported to the authorities, because at least you establish on record that you and your ds are not soliciting or seeking to distribute her texts in any way.

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If you're not close to these parents, keep your mouth shut. there's nothing you can do becuase you'd either be a total stranger questioning their parenting abilities, their marvelous child, or they just don't care.

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No, you'd be a concerned parent letting them know that their child is putting herself in a dangerous situation. If they don't handle it well, that's their problem but until that point there is a still the issue of a little doing dangerous things and I think the parents deserve the benefit of the doubt.

 

ETA: Other responses about the danger this might put the son in are right. School counselor might be the better route to go.

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No, I'm not...at least not anymore.

 

In my area it is the exact same thing....young girls wanting to "date" and hang out with boys that are 3-10 years older than they are!!! I don't get it!!!!!!

 

There is a problem with how our young girls AND boys are being raised.........

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I'm just going to throw this out there...

 

Perhaps her FB and phone have been taken over by one of her sisters or so-called friends and they have "hacked" it. I've seem some pretty offensive things put on really nice people's FB pages because their password got compromised.

 

However' date=' I'd still block all of the access to my sons computer and phone for his own sake.[/quote']

 

She has only contacted my ds by phone but she spoke to his friend in person...there was definitely no hacking going on there.

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