LauraGB Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 Is there a rule about this? At my hair appt today, I finally gave in and let my stylist give me bangs. I haven't had bangs since...well...for at least 20 years. I did it because when I think "bangs", I think "youthful" or "fun" or "flirty". But these bangs? I think they make me look...old. :( I have very dark hair and very pale skin. My hair is long (yeah, I know about that rule, but I really can't do short hair. Really.). The problem is that the bangs seem to accentuate the lines around my eyes. And under them. If there is a "bang rule", is this why?? Dh said "I really like your new hair cut. It makes you look younger. I'm not even saying that because it's already cut." :001_huh: So, what say the hive? Is there a time for bangs and a time to...I don't know, repent for all the things we've done to our skin and wish we could sport bangs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texasmama Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 I do side swept bangs. I have long hair. I'm 44.:001_smile: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertDweller Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 I have bangs, and I'm almost 50. Sometimes I like to part them a little on one side so that they don't cover my whole forehead. Sometimes I wear them straight down. I had know idea there was a rule about something like that. Of course, I dress and wear my hair the way I think it looks best on me. If you like the style, I say go for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean in Newcastle Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 I'm 47 and I get grief from my mother because I don't have bangs!;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin M Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 It depends on what you like. If you like what you look like with bangs, then have bangs. I haven't heard of any particular rules regarding hair and age. I have bangs - usually swept to the side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginevra Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 I think sort of the opposite. Foreheads can look oldish; bangs help cover that. I have bangs (I'm 40) and sweep them towards the sides so they aren't straight across. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibbygirl Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 (edited) I think the prevailing wisdom is that a light fringe of wispy bangs and hair with some subtle highlights framing the face is the look that is supposed to make aging skin look more youthful and soften the lines on the face and around the eyes. But I think ultimately, you live with yourself and you should do what makes you happy. I am turning 40 this year and my hair is long, straight and black with no bangs. DEFINITELY against "the rules", but ask me if I care. :lol: :lol: :lol: Edited April 29, 2011 by Ibbygirl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DianeW88 Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 I've heard stylists say that bangs can make you immediately look five to ten years younger. I have bangs and probably always will. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK_Mom4 Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 I have bangs. I'm "over 40" .:tongue_smilie: I think they look nice. And I have long hair, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldberry Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 I think sort of the opposite. Foreheads can look oldish; bangs help cover that. I have bangs (I'm 40) and sweep them towards the sides so they aren't straight across. This. I tried a year or so ago to grow out the bangs, and I couldn't believe how much older I looked. When I cut them I perked up again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-rap Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 Everyone mom at my church has bangs. We call them the Baptist bangs! I think I'm the only one who doesn't, so I feel like a rebel.:001_smile: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kari C in SC Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 Is there a rule about this? At my hair appt today, I finally gave in and let my stylist give me bangs. I haven't had bangs since...well...for at least 20 years. I did it because when I think "bangs", I think "youthful" or "fun" or "flirty". But these bangs? I think they make me look...old. :( I have very dark hair and very pale skin. My hair is long (yeah, I know about that rule, but I really can't do short hair. Really.). The problem is that the bangs seem to accentuate the lines around my eyes. And under them. If there is a "bang rule", is this why?? Dh said "I really like your new hair cut. It makes you look younger. I'm not even saying that because it's already cut." :001_huh: So, what say the hive? Is there a time for bangs and a time to...I don't know, repent for all the things we've done to our skin and wish we could sport bangs? I dunno, but I am 39 and I have always had bangs. Don't plan to change anytime soon either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrothead Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 I've had bangs all my life. They cover my between-the-eyes-crease I have from squinting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibbygirl Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 They call bangs Botox without the toxins. ;) :lol::lol::lol::lol: That's classic! hehehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LauraGB Posted April 30, 2011 Author Share Posted April 30, 2011 I do side swept bangs. I have long hair. I'm 44.:001_smile: Actually, it is kind of like yours, just with a little more bang chunked out, and my hair is a lot darker. I wonder if I need highlights to take away from the stark difference between my hair color and my skin color. And PS - your hair is darn cute! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LauraGB Posted April 30, 2011 Author Share Posted April 30, 2011 I don't have bangs right now, but my girlfriends swear by them. They call bangs Botox without the toxins. ;) Ugh! Maybe it is just my face! Since the bang bit, I'm seriously considering injecting my face with botulism just to pull off the 'do! (Ok. Maybe I'll start with something less...infective sounding...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LauraGB Posted April 30, 2011 Author Share Posted April 30, 2011 Also, since so many of you already sport bangs - do you wear makeup? I do, and always have, but I feel like I need a heavier hand with the liner, shadow and mascara. See, I'm wondering how much of this is psychological and how much of it is actual... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texasmama Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Actually, it is kind of like yours, just with a little more bang chunked out, and my hair is a lot darker. I wonder if I need highlights to take away from the stark difference between my hair color and my skin color. And PS - your hair is darn cute! Thank you, my dear! I had highlights for many years to blend away gray. My gray overtook me recently, though, so I switched to all over color, which I like less. If money and time were not object, I would have highlights over all over color. :D My hair is longer than it looks in the picture... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarreymere Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 I'm 46 and I look a lot older without bangs, so yeah I have bangs! If I don't have bangs the world can see major forehead wrinkles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texasmama Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Also, since so many of you already sport bangs - do you wear makeup? I do, and always have, but I feel like I need a heavier hand with the liner, shadow and mascara. See, I'm wondering how much of this is psychological and how much of it is actual... I do wear make up...always have. My bang status doesn't change my make up application. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susankenny Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 I want bangs so badly! Especially when I see them on a person than just wears them well. Every time I try though, I hate them. I'll be 41 in a few weeks & I don't think age is an issue at all. Bangs & long hair are not reserved for the young imho. I refuse to wear mom jeans and cut my hair off just because I'm not 22. I'm sure you look lovely. Especially if they got your husband's approval! That is always a nice! I'm sure you'll get used to them over the next few days :) Susan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susankenny Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 I've heard stylists say that bangs can make you immediately look five to ten years younger. I have bangs and probably always will. :D Well that settles it then! I'm going to try them....again!:D Susan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheres Toto Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 I have bangs and long hair and I'm over 40. I've almost always had bangs because I look much better with bangs. My hair is extremely thick and heavy and not having bangs makes it seem to just lie there, the bangs soften it quite a bit. I also have a prominent widows peak, so pulling all my hair straight back looks odd to me. I don't wear make-up more than once or twice a year. When I do, its usually more concealer and foundation but less eye-liner and shadow than when I was younger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katiebug_1976 Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Also, since so many of you already sport bangs - do you wear makeup? I do, and always have, but I feel like I need a heavier hand with the liner, shadow and mascara. See, I'm wondering how much of this is psychological and how much of it is actual... Ok, so I'm not over 40 (yet, I'm 34), but I've had bangs from the time I was 5 years old up until this last year. During my last pregnancy I cut my hair really short (I mean REALLY!!) and have let it all grow out over the last year, bangs included. I decided since it is so windy where I live and I have seen so many cute hair styles w/o bangs I'd give it a try (BIG mistake!). I finally got tired of looking so "severe" and school marmy (for lack of better terminology) when I pulled my hair up. So I cut bangs this morning and I LOVE them!!! I didn't realize how "depressed" I had become because I didn't like my hair! Anyway, in my opinion, bangs rock and I will never grow them out again no matter how old I get! As for the make up thing, I never did get into it very much. I might wear a little bit of lipstick & blush occasionally (meaning like 8-10 times a year), but I usually don't wear any at all (no time for it anyway). I have greatly disappointed my grandma not being the "girly girl" she thought I should have become by age 10!:lol: (sorry grandma) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisa in Jax Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 I'm trying to think of a time in the last 46 years when I didn't have bangs. Hm... never. ;) I have a very round face and a small forehead. For some reason, bangs help create a less round-looking face that is somewhat proportional. So, even though I have to cut them every 3-4 weeks (no, I don't pay a stylist, I just whack them off, snip the ends and thin them to avoid a blunt edge...), and even though I have the straightest hair imaginable, lol, I have bangs. ;) Lisa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibraryLover Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 (edited) http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.askactor.com/images/casts/United_States/12205/Anne_Baxter_12205_12.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.askactor.com/actress/Anne_Baxter/galleries/&usg=__ezb2x_qnFtUwyPj_eE4ZTXwXVmk=&h=540&w=433&sz=78&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=-jCfAS5l5tWsgM:&tbnh=145&tbnw=124&ei=Xm27TYrqFMiTtweR_dHUBQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3DAnne%2BBaxter%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DX%26rlz%3D1T4ADSA_enUS417US417%26biw%3D1659%26bih%3D795%26tbm%3Disch%26prmd%3Divnso&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=817&page=1&ndsp=40&ved=1t:429,r:2,s:0&tx=55&ty=95 That's pretty hot, don't you think? Edited April 30, 2011 by LibraryLover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean in Newcastle Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 I don't have bangs even though I have a fairly high forehead because I have a cowlick right in the middle of my forehead. (But I try to be better behaved than the Girl with the Curl in the middle of her Forehead.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merry gardens Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 I'm 46 and I look a lot older without bangs, so yeah I have bangs! If I don't have bangs the world can see major forehead wrinkles.:lol: Talk about looking older without bangs...without bangs, that photo in your avitar looks exactly like Granny from the Beverly Hillbillies! :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LauraGB Posted April 30, 2011 Author Share Posted April 30, 2011 http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.askactor.com/images/casts/United_States/12205/Anne_Baxter_12205_12.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.askactor.com/actress/Anne_Baxter/galleries/&usg=__ezb2x_qnFtUwyPj_eE4ZTXwXVmk=&h=540&w=433&sz=78&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=-jCfAS5l5tWsgM:&tbnh=145&tbnw=124&ei=Xm27TYrqFMiTtweR_dHUBQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3DAnne%2BBaxter%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DX%26rlz%3D1T4ADSA_enUS417US417%26biw%3D1659%26bih%3D795%26tbm%3Disch%26prmd%3Divnso&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=817&page=1&ndsp=40&ved=1t:429,r:2,s:0&tx=55&ty=95 That's pretty hot, don't you think? I do! And that would be fab! However...how old is she? Like, 17? :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibraryLover Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 (edited) I do! And that would be fab! However...how old is she? Like, 17? :lol: Anne Baxter is a whopping 33 there. Here are some old ladies with fringe: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://fittipdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/jamie-lee-curtis.bmp&imgrefurl=http://fittipdaily.com/hot-celebs-over-40-and-their-workouts-2233/&usg=__ZqIKxPMLbREbrkyg1TmfR3i-1Qc=&h=650&w=460&sz=877&hl=en&start=200&zoom=1&tbnid=dSaUL30eZor7nM:&tbnh=165&tbnw=120&ei=f3K7TbKKIcjj0gG-qZjnBQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dactresses%2Bover%2B40%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DN%26rlz%3D1T4ADSA_enUS417US417%26biw%3D1659%26bih%3D795%26tbm%3Disch0%2C3128&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=528&vpy=297&dur=20&hovh=267&hovw=189&tx=82&ty=119&page=6&ndsp=41&ved=1t:429,r:3,s:200&biw=1659&bih=795 http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://entimg.s-msn.com/i/ap/6202005/ny10806210338.jpeg&imgrefurl=http://entertainment.msn.com/news/article.aspx%3Fnews%3D304844%26GT1%3D7703&usg=__KBF-eJkmmJO2lz3fsvylIjy-fuM=&h=512&w=409&sz=43&hl=en&start=43&zoom=1&tbnid=GWaMBPcsE5Rw2M:&tbnh=158&tbnw=120&ei=I3K7TdXDKKPq0QGe9pXMBQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dactresses%2Bover%2B40%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DN%26rlz%3D1T4ADSA_enUS417US417%26biw%3D1659%26bih%3D795%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=418&page=2&ndsp=41&ved=1t:429,r:4,s:43&tx=77&ty=129 http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_h937HNtz6ek/S3pYTs-DleI/AAAAAAAAagE/W_kti-PDlx8/s400/celebrities-over-40-23.jpg&imgrefurl=http://preview.samemission.com/actresses-over-40%26page%3D6&usg=__KKxs15dHhueU1bv2JjHrzgqGr_A=&h=400&w=266&sz=21&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=J8r3KZFw1WyV_M:&tbnh=160&tbnw=120&ei=-XG7Tf3KG8KTtweHts20BQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dactresses%2Bover%2B40%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DN%26rlz%3D1T4ADSA_enUS417US417%26biw%3D1659%26bih%3D795%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=399&vpy=409&dur=127&hovh=275&hovw=183&tx=95&ty=260&page=1&ndsp=43&ved=1t:429,r:34,s:0 Edited April 30, 2011 by LibraryLover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcconnellboys Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 I've had bangs my entire life and am over 50. My face is too, too long not to have bangs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laundrycrisis Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 All these rules....toss them out the window ! Do what looks good on you, and makes you feel good, regardless of your age. My ambition for increasing age is to break every single rule there is about getting older ! I plan to keep my hair shoulder-length and hennaed, and wear sport bras and running shoes, into my 90s. I think I will never be a proper old lady ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elizabeth Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Oh perish the thought. If bangs are good enough for Coco Chanel they are good enough pour moi! I have bangs and always will due to my refusal to botox the deep in thought wrinkle between my brows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elizabeth Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Oh perish the thought. If bangs are good enough for Coco Chanel they are good enough pour moi! I have bangs and always will due to my refusal to botox the deep in thought wrinkle between my brows. I think her hat is quite fetching as well. I might just take up hats this year other than my treasured deerstalker cap crocheted by my darling daughter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kristavws Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 I don't have bangs right now, but my girlfriends swear by them. They call bangs Botox without the toxins. ;) This is pretty much why I went back to having bangs the last time I got my hair cut! They are side swept. FWIW, blunt bangs have become the "in" thing for spring 2011. Krista Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmurray Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 I have bangs and long hair and I will be 55 in July. I have tried the "no bangs" look and it just doesn't do anything for me. I had my hair short several years ago and realized that while people told me it looked cute the only women I was around with short hair were the "old ladies" such as my mother's age. Maybe bangs and long hair make you look younger, no one ever guesses my age...having a 15 and 11 year old helps too :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frogmom Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 I just got bangs yesterday and I'm 44!! We could start a support group lol. I'm not sure if they make me look older but I wasn't thrilled with the overall look. But then my ds who is a precious seven said that I was beautiful, " even your hair, even your feet, even your tummy". I'm guessing your bangs look great,too. Enjoy your new look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlockOfSillies Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Well, I'm not 40 yet, but having inherited my dad's FIVE-head with lines so deep I could plant crops up there, I'm rethinking the whole bangs idea. Maybe I'll get my hair cut like Amanda Tapping has it in "Sanctuary." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheres Toto Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Maybe I'll get my hair cut like Amanda Tapping has it in "Sanctuary." That's basically how my hair looks when my bangs are starting to get a little long. I brush them straight down, then kind of fluff them around with my fingers to loosen them up. My hair is long, brown, wavy and thick but still doesn't manage to look as good as hers does. :tongue_smilie: It's the perfect style if you don't like fussing with your hair. I haven't even blown dry my hair in years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mejane Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Actually, it is kind of like yours, just with a little more bang chunked out, and my hair is a lot darker. I wonder if I need highlights to take away from the stark difference between my hair color and my skin color. The book How Not to Look Old recommends both bangs and lightening your hair color. Dark hair accentuates wrinkles and makes us look gaunt. Light hair brightens up your face. I've lightened mine and it does look better. I have sideswept bangs, but I'm seriously considering fringe. It's either that or botox. These forehead furrows gotta go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinder Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Well, I'm 46, have longish hair (below the shoulders) because I look better in long hair than short, and can't sport bangs because my forehead is too narrow. I'd have to have really short bangs because I hate having hair in my face and because my hair is too straight and heavy to be able to wear bangs swept to the side without serious amounts of gel and primping. Not gonna do it. So no bangs here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elegantlion Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 (edited) I think you should do what you want. Edited May 1, 2011 by elegantlion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5knights3maidens Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 I have bangs (and spikey hair) and feel younger.;) I'm close to 49. :001_smile: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughing lioness Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 I'm 48. I have bangs. I grew my bangs out 5 years ago cause the side swept look was in. I cringe when I see pictures from then. I look old and haggard. From now on I will have bangs till the day I die. And I'm growing my hair long again. It's been shoulder length, which I like, but I've decided that I could do longer hair again, with layers. I have a long face. Without bangs....it's just not pretty. And I henna'd my hair- it turned a lovely red. I LOVED it. But my dh mentioned that he really liked blond high lights so I'm going back to that. Honestly, I'm really loving having hair to fuss with. My sil lost ALL of her hair 2 yrs ago. Eyelashes and everything. And a lot of women my age are going thin. So, even though I'm still tweezing a unibrow, I'm really grateful for a full head of hair!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughing lioness Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 The book How Not to Look Old recommends both bangs and lightening your hair color. QUOTE] Thanks for sharing this :001_smile: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean in Newcastle Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 The book How Not to Look Old recommends both bangs and lightening your hair color. My hair has been considerably lightened - by white - but I doubt that's what they mean! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FO4UR Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 I cut mine and grow them back out about every year or so...I shouldn't have read this thread just as my bangs are back to chin length...off to look for forehead wrinkles and hide all scissors...:auto: I agree they make me look younger...but they feel yucky in the summer. (Tomorrow, I'll have bangs...it's a compulsion...you ladies are a terrible influence on me!:tongue_smilie:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsMe Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 It's not an age thing, it's a face shape, forehead thing IMO. I think though full heavy bangs makes everyone look older. So if they're a little side swept or lighter or just a little split through the middle, maybe you'll like them more. I'm 50 and have bangs. Without, I look ancient. Have guts to post a before and after?:) We could tell you.:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LauraGB Posted May 1, 2011 Author Share Posted May 1, 2011 Have guts to post a before and after?:) We could tell you.:) I'm thinking about it. And I know you all would tell me. :D I like them better today than yesterday. But, those lines from my eyes that just the other day didn't seem to extend all the way into my hairline are very, very prominent. I don't know if that would show up in any kind of pic I would be able to post ;). I do think some lightening needs to happen if I'm going to keep them around. Another thing I noticed is that I need to fill my eyebrows in better with them because the color is so near them now, where as before, I could get away with just a few sweeps of the brush - I don't think I realized how sparse they've become! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsMe Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 I'm thinking about it. And I know you all would tell me. :D I like them better today than yesterday. But, those lines from my eyes that just the other day didn't seem to extend all the way into my hairline are very, very prominent. I don't know if that would show up in any kind of pic I would be able to post ;). I do think some lightening needs to happen if I'm going to keep them around. Another thing I noticed is that I need to fill my eyebrows in better with them because the color is so near them now, where as before, I could get away with just a few sweeps of the brush - I don't think I realized how sparse they've become! Sometimes it just takes a while to figure out how to wear them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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