Heidi Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 My two good friends just discussed in front of me why sending kids to public school is so important: 1. They need bad teachers. (? I'm not sure why.. I guess to prepare them to deal with bad employers?) 2. They need to learn from people with varying teaching styles. 3. They need the discipline/structure that comes from going to ps. (learning how to stand in line, sit quietly, respecting other kids/teachers, etc.) What do you think? Personally, I'm not seeing why those things are incredibly important; definitely not worth putting them in school for. Just thought their view was interesting, a little amusing, and a little irritating. You know what else is irritating? No kids or parents are perfect. Yet all of OUR imperfections (should we actually have imperfections:Angel_anim:) will be blamed on the fact that we home school. The public school kids that misbehave and have no sense of respect for other people... they're like that because... well, that's just the way they are. :glare: So. not. fair. But I guess life isn't fair. All well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoyfulMama Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 It's interesting to me though that despite the fact so many people have spent 12 years in school, many still don't know how to wait in line patiently nor share with others. ;) :lol::lol::lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnTheBrink Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 My two good friends just discussed in front of me why sending kids to public school is so important: 1. They need bad teachers. (? I'm not sure why.. I guess to prepare them to deal with bad employers?) 2. They need to learn from people with varying teaching styles. 3. They need the discipline/structure that comes from going to ps. (learning how to stand in line, sit quietly, respecting other kids/teachers, etc.) What do you think? Personally, I'm not seeing why those things are incredibly important; definitely not worth putting them in school for. Just thought their view was interesting, a little amusing, and a little irritating. You know what else is irritating? No kids or parents are perfect. Yet all of OUR imperfections (should we actually have imperfections:Angel_anim:) will be blamed on the fact that we home school. The public school kids that misbehave and have no sense of respect for other people... they're like that because... well, that's just the way they are. :glare: So. not. fair. But I guess life isn't fair. All well. 1)Total fallacy. Having a bad teacher doesn't prepare for having a bad employer. A child has NO control or recourse if he gets a bad teacher. Even if the parent steps in, it's not a guarantee the problems will be solved. If an adult has a bad employer, he has options. Depending on what the problem is, he can file a complaint, he can leave, he can deal with it. Kids don't have those options. 2)Really? Why? The only real situation I can see where that might be helpful is with college. Beyond that, in what situation will be be that requires learning by different styles? Balderdash. 3) They NEVER, EVER learn how to stand in line in daily life? These kids have never been to a grocery store on a Saturday morning, or Walmart, ever? They've never been to the movies, to an amusement park, waiting for concert tickets? They can ONLY learn how to stand in line at school? Wow. And, for sitting quietly--they just run amok and in chaos at home? They've never been to the library, doctor's office, or run errands with mom to the insurance office, real estate office, anywhere? They can ONLY learn to sit still in a school? They're only taught respect in school? When? Is it some form of negative learning to watch other kids mouth off, be rude, and cuss then decide that they don't want to act that way? Have these parents ever BEEN in a public school or do they just stop at the door and shove the kids inside and run off? Good grief. I think their view is based on pure ignorance and the fact they've bought into the notion that only "certified professionals" can teach their kids. Sad for the parents, really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momtoboys Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 1. They need bad teachers. . . I had my share of these. I can honestly say I don't see the benefit to my life today. ;) 2. They need to learn from people w/ various teaching styles & 3. They need the classroom discipline/structure. . . Both of the above they can get from other classes and learning experiences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffeefreak Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 My two good friends just discussed in front of me why sending kids to public school is so important: 1. They need bad teachers. (? I'm not sure why.. I guess to prepare them to deal with bad employers?) . :smilielol5: OK. . .wait . . .just let me catch my breath . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LauraGB Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 1. They need bad teachers. (? I'm not sure why.. I guess to prepare them to deal with bad employers?)2. They need to learn from people with varying teaching styles. 3. They need the discipline/structure that comes from going to ps. (learning how to stand in line, sit quietly, respecting other kids/teachers, etc.) 1. Bad teachers = Big Waste of Time. To send your kid to school with the intent of experiencing bad teachers, well, as far as the educational purpose of school goes, isn't that a bit ironic? 2. We learn stuff every day from a variety of people we come into contact with. No need to send a child to an institutional setting to get that. 3. Over this last weekend, we have stood in enough lines to teach us well how they work. Whew, that educational tid-bit is out of the way! Respecting others and sitting quietly, etc...well, see my answer to #2. How did you respond? Did you offer to trump thier 3 reasons for ps with the 9,989 reasons to homeschool? ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardening momma Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 My two good friends just discussed in front of me why sending kids to public school is so important: 1. They need bad teachers. (? I'm not sure why.. I guess to prepare them to deal with bad employers?) 2. They need to learn from people with varying teaching styles. 3. They need the discipline/structure that comes from going to ps. (learning how to stand in line, sit quietly, respecting other kids/teachers, etc.) What do you think? 1. They need good teachers. Bad teachers will teach them it's ok to go through life that way--whether it's a bad work ethic, bad attitude or bad language that's expessed to the student. They need good teachers who will be a positive role model in work ethic, attitude and language. 2. They'll get that in college--and they'll probably start taking college classes in 11th grade, so I'm ok with waiting until then. 3. My kids generally behave better for other people than for me, so if I can only get them to obey me, they'll be perfect! :D (in other words, I think they're doing OK for point #3 without going to school to learn it. We do have more work to do in that area here at home, though.). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i.love.lucy Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 That's just their way of defending their choice. I wouldn't stoop to respond. Seriously, if 2 supposedly intelligent adults are going to use those particular LAME excuses to send their kids to ps, well...then...the school can have them. "Good luck with that" is probably all I would say, and then ask for the bean dip.:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heidi Posted November 16, 2009 Author Share Posted November 16, 2009 Does having multiple personalities count? :blink: :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K&Rs Mom Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 1. They need bad teachers. (? I'm not sure why.. I guess to prepare them to deal with bad employers?) Quick comeback: I think I can take care of that myself by homeschooling, thank you. :D I would LOVE to see someone's response to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snickerdoodle Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 That's just their way of defending their choice. I wouldn't stoop to respond. Seriously, if 2 supposedly intelligent adults are going to use those particular LAME excuses to send their kids to ps, well...then...the school can have them. "Good luck with that" is probably all I would say, and then ask for the bean dip.:D :iagree: Different strokes for different folks and all that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeker Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 1. They need bad teachers. This is way too much of an opening to let pass! I would be hard pressed to decide between these two responses. I need to look around for the sign that reads: Wanted for Hire Bad Teachers because all children need some. - OR - Need bad teachers? :huh::blink::ohmy: I mean I doubt that schools purposely hire bad teachers so that public school children can have that experience.... and I am pretty sure, after listening to some public school parents, that they don't see this advantage when their own children are placed with the "opportunity" of having a bad teacher. :001_unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeker Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Another thought... Maybe they also NEED bad bus drivers, or bad doctors, or bad dentists, or bad parents..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phathui5 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 1. They need bad teachers. (? I'm not sure why.. I guess to prepare them to deal with bad employers?) I can find them bad teachers in other places, like at the YMCA. 2. They need to learn from people with varying teaching styles. Because dh and I both teach them, along with the instructors at taekwondo and teachers at community college... we've got this covered too. 3. They need the discipline/structure that comes from going to ps. (learning how to stand in line, sit quietly, respecting other kids/teachers, etc.) I also think that's all stuff that can be covered in the real world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babysparkler Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 That's just their way of defending their choice. I wouldn't stoop to respond. Seriously, if 2 supposedly intelligent adults are going to use those particular LAME excuses to send their kids to ps, well...then...the school can have them. "Good luck with that" is probably all I would say, and then ask for the bean dip.:D I agree with Amy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jujsky Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 The only point I can remotely agree with is that I do think it's important that kids are exposed to more than one teaching style. That goal can be met without sending kids to PS though. My kids are in plenty of activities with other instructors, and we take turns teaching something at co-op each week so the kids aren't always listening to just me. The other points are completely way-off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellie Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 1. They need bad teachers. (? I'm not sure why.. I guess to prepare them to deal with bad employers?) :lol::lol::lol::lol: 2. They need to learn from people with varying teaching styles. Maybe. But they don't need to go to public schools for that. 3. They need the discipline/structure that comes from going to ps. (learning how to stand in line, sit quietly, respecting other kids/teachers, etc.) :lol::lol::lol: Ok, well ::getting self under control:: I'm pretty sure that parents are capable of teaching their children to sit quietly and respect others, as parents existed long before public schools. And have you ever *seen* what goes on in public schools? "Respect others"?? "Sitting quietly"?? Oh please. Standing in line...well, we can do that, too, although it's way down on my list of Things I Must Teach My Children So They Can Funtion in Life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photo Ninja Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 I wonder if people who make comments like these realize how absurd they sound. Do they really believe what they are saying, or are they just parroting something they heard or read, but have never thought about? I suspect that if we asked them why they believe these statements are true, they would not have an answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mommy22alyns Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 Another thought... Maybe they also NEED bad bus drivers, or bad doctors, or bad dentists, or bad parents..... Yeah, I'd ask them if they intend to seek out a bad doctor next time they need one. :001_huh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleepymommy Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 :lol::lol: I read this post to dh (who while he goes along with us homeschooling and does find a lot of merit in it, is not against public school in any way and can be easily swayed) and man did he have a laugh. He said the biggest thing wrong was with the first answer, that they need bad teachers to prepare them for having bad employers. He remarked that his goal for his homeschooled kids is that they arethe employer! The learning how to stand in line comment really had him going, "Take your kids to Kings Dominion! They'll learn how to stand in line all day!":lol: (It makes me feel great when dh defends homeschooling, I don't get to hear it that often since he prefers playing devils advocate with me) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohdanigirl Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 Does having multiple personalities count? :blink: Knee slapping funny!:tongue_smilie::lol::lol::lol: Please, let me catch my breathe..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cedarmom Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 "They need bad teachers" My snarky response: "Oh, don't worry I'm sure my PMS days cover that requirement!":001_smile::tongue_smilie: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tricia Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 I'm thinking, hmmm, if that's all they can come up with then they've sure converted me. NOT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmom3tn Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 That's just their way of defending their choice. I wouldn't stoop to respond. Seriously, if 2 supposedly intelligent adults are going to use those particular LAME excuses to send their kids to ps, well...then...the school can have them. "Good luck with that" is probably all I would say, and then ask for the bean dip.:D :iagree: I think that when people make comments like those, it's because they're feeling a bit guilty about their own decision to send their kids to ps and need to somehow justify it. I can't promise that I wouldn't respond, though. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SusanAR Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 My two good friends just discussed in front of me why sending kids to public school is so important: 1. They need bad teachers. (? I'm not sure why.. I guess to prepare them to deal with bad employers?) . Wonder if they will request for their child to be reassigned to another classroom if they get placed in the class with one of the BEST and brightest teachers?? I think NOT! Obviously they didn't study logic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephanieZ Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 Honey, darling, dear, PLEASE stop talking to these nitwits!!!!!!!! ;););););););) Come on, for real, honestly, can they be serious?? Smile, pass the bean dip, and change the subject (or walk away!!!!!!!!!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsabelC Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 My two good friends just discussed in front of me why sending kids to public school is so important: 1. They need bad teachers. (? I'm not sure why.. I guess to prepare them to deal with bad employers?) 2. They need to learn from people with varying teaching styles. 3. They need the discipline/structure that comes from going to ps. (learning how to stand in line, sit quietly, respecting other kids/teachers, etc.) What do you think? 1. I don't buy any argument based on the idea that children need to practise being treated badly. (If you substitute another example, it's easy to see that the argument looks ridiculous. Eg, you should inject pain causing drugs into your child's joints to prepare her for the likelihood that she will develop arthritis in her old age.) I teach my children to the best of my ability and hope that they will develop respect for me as a parent and teacher, and self respect too. 2. This is a good point, but they have failed to see that a variety of teaching styles can just as well be provided in the home education context. Even if a child is only taught by the mother (or other primary caregiver), she will be using different teaching techniques at different times, depending on he child, the subject, the overall learning philosophy etc. But most home educated children don't just have one teacher. The mother might be the main teacher, but they also learn from the father, grandparents, other family members, specialist music, sport or language teachers, siblings, other home educated children, people at church, at clubs they are in, etc. And that's only the face to face learning. If they are doing any interactive learning via television or the internet, those presenters will add another dimension. 3. Structure and discipline can be as tight as the parents wish. If you're that concerned about your child's ability to stand in line, it's not difficult to teach! Lots of home schooled kids also get this through attending cubs, scouts and similar, or being in a band, choir or sports team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean in Newcastle Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 If you have a large family, there will be times when there is a line at the bathroom! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawn in OH Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 It sounds to me like someone desperately attempting to defend their decision. I *could* think of a few fairly valid reasons to send a child public school, and those aren't on the list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KidsHappen Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 Yeah, I'd ask them if they intend to seek out a bad doctor next time they need one. :001_huh: Well, I would never search out a bad doctor but I can't even begin to tell you how much I appreciate my great doctor since I have had horrible ones in the past. :001_smile: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KidsHappen Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 If you have a large family, there will be times when there is a line at the bathroom! I have three bathrooms and I sometimes still have lines! :tongue_smilie: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justamouse Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 Well if one feels bad teachers, exposure to different teaching styles, and mob mentality are important then I'm glad people have those options available to them. It's interesting to me though that despite the fact so many people have spent 12 years in school, many still don't know how to wait in line patiently nor share with others. ;) Lolol! Did you laugh at their overt attempt to justify their own decisions when your dedication to your children obviously made them feel less than? The reason I put that out there that way is because of their totally ridiculous logic. Had they honestly brought something good to the table then I'd entertain their ideas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Virginia Dawn Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 What a coincidence. This was our topic of dinner table conversation tonight. My kids were saying that a common topic of conversation in the church teen class is public school versus homeschooling. (Keep in mind that there are 3 homeschoolers in the class who attend more regularly than most of the other students.) After the discussion covers the public school's mafia like atmosphere, drug use, beatings, kids falling asleep in class, kids who refuse to do the work, different teacher's discipline styles (or lack of), then the ps kids and the Bible class teacher proceed to say "BUT" public school is a much better education and homeschooled kids have no place to learn social skills therefor they are social misfits. Whatever. The public schooled teen of one of the Bible class teachers was given a talking to by the minister last week for poor behavior in the public assembly- laughing out loud and texting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tree House Academy Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 Wow...my son really had it rough when he was in ps. The whole time (4 years), he never had a BAD teacher. Ah rats! Better send him back so he can have a horrible school year with a bad teacher and get a good feel for what hell is like. :glare: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKS Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 My father claims that the major things taught in school are how to stand in line and how to wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kate CA Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 What do you think? I think they are full of nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirth Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 This is way too much of an opening to let pass! I need to look around for the sign that reads: Wanted for Hire Bad Teachers because all children need some. - OR - I laugh more at reading this forum than any other! :lol: I commend you, OP, for not immediately falling out with laughter having heard their analysis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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