momee Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Put on counter after dinner (7 or so) to cool, was wrapped and ready to insert in fridge. Come downstairs this morning and it is still waiting for me to put it away :( It is half a 9 x 13 pan of noodles, cream, stock, mushroom, chicken casserole. (dangit!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
songsparrow Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 I'd toss it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethel Mertz Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Toss it. Alas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Kate Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Into the trash it would go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momto10blessings Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Sadly, I'd toss it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amira Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 I'd toss it unquestionably, and I'm a little more lax about refrigeration than I'm supposed to be. I'm sorry. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mamaraby Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Toss it. Bummer, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momof3littles Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 No way would I eat that. Sorry :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annie G Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 I'm firmly in the camp that believes humans are hard to kill with spoiled food but I'd toss that casserole pronto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momee Posted October 17, 2014 Author Share Posted October 17, 2014 I'll be tossing it. I'm trying to be frugal with food so of course this happens :) I love that you all get that this is a sad thing, lol. Thanks~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjzimmer1 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 I'm very lax about food stuff (I thaw meat on the counter or in warm water) and I have to agree with the others, I'd toss it. Warm cream sitting out all night is just more than I'm willing to risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitten18 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Sorry, I would toss it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasider Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Gak! Toss! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katilac Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Not even I would eat that, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texasmama Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Trash. Sorry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tree Frog Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 I, too, would toss it. However, it sounds delicious. Would you share the recipe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KungFuPanda Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Noooooo! Sadly, it's a definite toss and I'm braver than most here :-( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momee Posted October 17, 2014 Author Share Posted October 17, 2014 83 year old Mother in Law who lives here says no problem. She's going to eat it and if still alive I will report back, lol. Here's the recipe...it is yummo! http://www.plantoeat.com/recipes/1281592 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momof3littles Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Oh my, I would not let her eat it. Things like a GI bug or foodborne illness are particularly tough on older folks. Dizziness, kidney issues, etc. from electrolyte imbalance. Please reconsider. Even when you reheat, you don't kill some of the toxins that are produced by the bacteria. You kill the bacteria, but the toxins are more resistant to heat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelli Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 I would toss it, and I am very lenient on food sitting out, but I just couldn't do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momee Posted October 17, 2014 Author Share Posted October 17, 2014 "Oh my, I would not let her eat it. Things like a GI bug or foodborne illness are particularly tough on older folks. " Lol. Have you tried talking to an 83 year old about food, what is healthy and what is not? This~ particular 83 year old is quick to remind me she lived through the depression and many many years! food was not properly stored and they all survived. I get what you're saying but she'd rather risk sickness than waste food. Different mindset than we have today I think. Interesting... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momof3littles Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 I understand. I worked professionally with two kids who had kidney failure from e.coli. Foodborne illness in kids and the elderly scares me more than it would in an otherwise healthy non-senior adult. I would have just dumped it quickly in the trash to avoid her getting to it if necessary. We have very stubborn parents and a very stubborn 91 yr old grandmother in our lives, so I know how persistent they can be ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catwoman Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 I wouldn't let her eat it. I know how disappointing it is to go to the work of making something ahead of time so you won't have to cook the next day, only to accidentally forget to put it in the refrigerator. I did the exact same thing earlier this week, so I'm right there with you. DH said he would eat it, but I said no way. It's not worth the risk of food poisoning, and reheating the food doesn't kill all of the toxins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annie G Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Back when I was a kid in the south, people would just cover the lunch table with a tablecloth and then take it off in the evening and eat the food for dinner. Fried chicken for lunch sat out all day and then was eaten as cold fried chicken 6 hours later...stuff like that. Nobody died, but that's not really what I'm striving for as far as food safety. So yeah, she'll probably be ok, and it's hard to convince older people that it's not good food safety practice to eat perishable food that's been out that long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Mungo Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 83 year old Mother in Law who lives here says no problem. She's going to eat it and if still alive I will report back, lol. Here's the recipe...it is yummo! http://www.plantoeat.com/recipes/1281592 My 70 year old MIL has given my children food poisoning twice. I would toss it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tammyla Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 I would toss it, and not allow an 83 y/old to eat. Shudder, I can imagine if she manages to eat it and then suffers the natural consequences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlessedMom Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Sorry I agree, I would toss it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amy in NH Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 I would toss it because of the cream. Leaving the cooked chicken out overnight wouldn't bother me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momee Posted October 18, 2014 Author Share Posted October 18, 2014 She is still living :) No problems at all. I realize this game of intestinal roulette isn't for everyone, lol. I didn't eat any of it and practically smacked it out of a young child's mouth as they were sampling some BUT Granny is doing just fine, thought someone might be curious. Thanks for the input everyone. (Now to deal with Granny who is still - always right) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingiguana Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 Food poisoning can sometimes take a few days to show up. It's not as if every piece of food that sat out a long time is going to be inoculated with a bad germ. If not, then it won't make you sick. Problem is, one can't tell which have bad bugs and which don't. It could be if you reheated to a proper internal temperature that the casserole would be fine, but that might be so high that it destroyed the food. Actually, I kind of worry about tuna casserole the way I make it -- putting hot noodles into cold soup and then heating in the oven until it's sort of hot. Seems like the perfect environment for encouraging bacterial growth. I'll eat a lot of questionable stuff, but the op's scenario is not one I'd be comfortable with. So I think she made the right decision in not letting her daughter eat it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susan C. Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 She is still living :) No problems at all. I realize this game of intestinal roulette isn't for everyone, lol. I didn't eat any of it and practically smacked it out of a young child's mouth as they were sampling some BUT Granny is doing just fine, thought someone might be curious. Thanks for the input everyone. (Now to deal with Granny who is still - always right) Check in at 7-10 days out. Dh got food poisoning.... 1 week ICU and almost killed him. HUGE hospital bill. So I toss anything old, left out, or when my frig died, close to everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katilac Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Back when I was a kid in the south, people would just cover the lunch table with a tablecloth and then take it off in the evening and eat the food for dinner. Fried chicken for lunch sat out all day and then was eaten as cold fried chicken 6 hours later...stuff like that. Nobody died, but that's not really what I'm striving for as far as food safety. So yeah, she'll probably be ok, and it's hard to convince older people that it's not good food safety practice to eat perishable food that's been out that long. Lunch to dinner generally isn't anywhere near 12+ hours, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annie G Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Lunch to dinner generally isn't anywhere near 12+ hours, though. You're totally right about that- but it was in the deep south in the summertime. So even a couple of hours in that heat was enough to bring the food to an unsafe level for an unsafe period of time. ( I'm talking about a house with no AC and/or a family reunion/dinner on the grounds that is held outside. ) I'm guessing that a lot of the mild discomforts we got as kids were really mild food poisoning. Don't get me wrong- I totally would have thrown that casserole out. I was just trying to explain why an 83 year old woman might not- perhaps she grew up with MUCH more lax food handling routines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susan C. Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 perhaps she grew up with MUCH more lax food handling routines. ...and better quality food.... I hope she is ok. My mom always left things out... and I had an eternal stomach ache. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colleen Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Got a kick out of this thread, as I'm right there with the 83 yo woman. Wouldn't toss it ~ and seriously doubt it would affect any of my guys, all of whom are hale & healthy and began drinking our raw milk before their first birthdays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausmumof3 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Food poisoning can sometimes take a few days to show up. It's not as if every piece of food that sat out a long time is going to be inoculated with a bad germ. If not, then it won't make you sick. Problem is, one can't tell which have bad bugs and which don't. It could be if you reheated to a proper internal temperature that the casserole would be fine, but that might be so high that it destroyed the food. Actually, I kind of worry about tuna casserole the way I make it -- putting hot noodles into cold soup and then heating in the oven until it's sort of hot. Seems like the perfect environment for encouraging bacterial growth. I'll eat a lot of questionable stuff, but the op's scenario is not one I'd be comfortable with. So I think she made the right decision in not letting her daughter eat it. Trouble is bacteria in pasta and rice produce toxins as they multiply. Even if you reheat to kill all bacteria the toxins are still there to make you sick. Reheating protects from some food poisoning not others. I wouldn't risk it with that combination you have dairy, chicken and pasta. Too risky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trulycrabby Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Thanks for the update! :D Please let us know if she takes a turn for the worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momee Posted October 21, 2014 Author Share Posted October 21, 2014 Lol. She's still fine. Let me state for the record, I am in no way a proponent of going AGAINST the hive mind on this one, just saying maybe we're all wrong... Same thing with a quiche a few weeks ago. I wanted to let it sit in warm oven a few more minutes to slightly firm up. I forgot it was in there and we found it next morning. This was an egg, sausage and pie crust type thing. I wouldn't touch it, she ate it and had no problems. She also sticks pizza in the oven to store overnight. She's a wild woman! Anyway, not to stir stuff up again, just reporting back she's still alive and kicking :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colleen Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Lol. She's still fine. Let me state for the record, I am in no way a proponent of going AGAINST the hive mind on this one, just saying maybe we're all wrong... Same thing with a quiche a few weeks ago. I wanted to let it sit in warm oven a few more minutes to slightly firm up. I forgot it was in there and we found it next morning. This was an egg, sausage and pie crust type thing. I wouldn't touch it, she ate it and had no problems. She also sticks pizza in the oven to store overnight. She's a wild woman! Guess I'm wild, too, because none of what you describe strikes me as off (no pun intended). Count me as outside the hive mind. : ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susan C. Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Grandma has a gut made of steel! I'm jealous! Hope she continues to be ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katilac Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Guess I'm wild, too, because none of what you describe strikes me as off (no pun intended). Count me as outside the hive mind. : ) I think that knowing your family tends to be super strong and healthy is a sensible reason for pushing the envelope. If you know that family members tend to get very sick when they do fall ill, then that's a sensible reason to play it safe. I'm usually one saying 'yes, I would eat that!' but the combo of chicken and cream and 12+ hours squicked me out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingiguana Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Trouble is bacteria in pasta and rice produce toxins as they multiply. Even if you reheat to kill all bacteria the toxins are still there to make you sick. Reheating protects from some food poisoning not others. I wouldn't risk it with that combination you have dairy, chicken and pasta. Too risky. Heat does destroy at least some of the toxins. So cooking the food to a high temperature might make it safe. Or it might not. Botulinum is easily destroyed. I can't find much info on other possible toxins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bibiche Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 And at this point I will trot out Harold McGee again: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/24/dining/bending-the-rules-on-bacteria-and-food-safety.html?_r=0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasider Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 I have a gramma who would also eat things others wouldn't touch. Side effect of a depression-era life, I believe. Anyway, she was fraught with gastric ills yet refused to recognize the cause-and-effect pattern. So some grammas are just plain stubborn! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausmumof3 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Heat does destroy at least some of the toxins. So cooking the food to a high temperature might make it safe. Or it might not. Botulinum is easily destroyed. I can't find much info on other possible toxins. I was curious so I googled. Bacillus cereus is the problem with pasta left out as it can form heat resistant toxins. I have no idea how common it is I just know that when my sis did a food safety course she said pasta and rice are one of the worst offenders for food poisoning. Partially I think because people don't think of them as a risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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