wuhan - coronavirus

[ktgrok]

On 4/1/2022 at 9:41 PM, Corraleno said:

Yikes. New study on post-covid brain damage in primates, including those with mild illness:

"This work reveals neuroinflammation, brain hypoxia, microhemorrhages, and pathology consistent with hypoxic-ischemic injury with rare infection of brain vasculature in SARS-CoV-2 infected NHPs and provides key insights into SARS-CoV-2-associated neuropathogenesis. Our findings are consistent with those reported on autopsied brain of human subjects who died with SARS-CoV-2 infection. Additional molecular analyses on brain from our animal models suggest reduced oxygen to the CNS may contribute significantly to injury in the context of infection. Importantly, animals that did not develop acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) demonstrated neuropathology that may lead to long-term neurological symptoms of post-acute sequelae of COVID-19 (PASC), or “long COVID”.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-29440-z

This tracks with my sister's symptoms, which were very stroke like. 

[bookbard]

Argh - my daughter's school has just announced a 3 day camp in the middle of winter. It's at the exact same place another local school went; it was a major covid spreader which affected the whole community. I can't send her, but she'll be so upset!

Sadly we are now starting to see a few families get covid a second time (keeping in mind we only started getting serious covid spread here from December 2021, so only a few months). I wonder how many times people will end up getting it. 

[Melissa Louise]

48 minutes ago, bookbard said:

Argh - my daughter's school has just announced a 3 day camp in the middle of winter. It's at the exact same place another local school went; it was a major covid spreader which affected the whole community. I can't send her, but she'll be so upset!

Sadly we are now starting to see a few families get covid a second time (keeping in mind we only started getting serious covid spread here from December 2021, so only a few months). I wonder how many times people will end up getting it. 

Oh man...why?! 

 

[Melissa in Australia]

On 4/3/2022 at 6:50 PM, Melissa in Australia said:

Yes it is pretty intense.  we have an East Coast Low. lots of trees coming down, lots of roads closed. all the roads around us really.  100 km hour wind and a deluge of rain . Major flooding expected in the next few hours. our house doesn't flood but the waterway going through our property is a river atm. usually it is just a swampy patch.

 

Ds 18 messaged me just before. He was driving from here back to the town he lives at 100 km away. He left here 2 hours ago , before the expected flooding and strong winds. He said there was a flash flood on the highway and it went up to just under the windows of some of the cars. not from a river or stream, just from the rain on the highway. 

 

I am back

 Power was just restored. 🙂 

[bookbard]

1 hour ago, Melissa Louise said:

Oh man...why?! 

 

I wonder whether they 'have' to offer it, as part of the curriculum? I don't know, to be honest. I feel bad as she's never been to a school camp, for one reason or another. She has been on a scout one at least. 

[Melissa Louise]

10 minutes ago, bookbard said:

I wonder whether they 'have' to offer it, as part of the curriculum? I don't know, to be honest. I feel bad as she's never been to a school camp, for one reason or another. She has been on a scout one at least. 

That's so horrible for you, having to say no. Maybe we'll have a winter Covid miracle. 

[Ausmumof3]

13 hours ago, Melissa in Australia said:

I am back

 Power was just restored. 🙂 

Wow! That was a long time out. 

[Ausmumof3]

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/long-covid-nearly-7-u-190300358.html
 

Impacts of long covid

• 22 million U.S. adults are living with Long Covid (LC) – close to 7% of the population.

• 7 million are experiencing Disabling Long Covid (DLC) – 2.3% of the population.

• As of January 2022, the cumulative cost of LC is estimated at more than $386 billion. (This estimate includes lost wages, lost savings and medical expenses incurred by individuals. It does not include costs incurred by businesses or government agencies.)

• California has the highest number of cases of all 50 states, with more than 2.4 million LC cases and 817,000 DLC cases. Cumulative personal financial burden is estimated at $43.2 billion.

• When looking at the proportion of a state's population that is afflicted, Rhode Islandtops the list, with an estimated 9.5% and 3.1% of residents suffering from LC and DLC, respectively.

i haven’t read in depth to check how they worked it out.

 

[Hilltopmom]

On 4/3/2022 at 7:49 PM, ktgrok said:

This tracks with my sister's symptoms, which were very stroke like. 

I was just wondering how your sister is doing now. Was thinking about her the other day.

[kbutton]

For Florida folks...

https://redemptivehistorytheology.com/florida-statistics-what-is-really-happening-archive/florida-covid-statistics-what-is-really-happening-march-31-2022/?fbclid=IwAR2LYdHqPs2MEMuuzHdMXYa7zPD_Z44J6k4HbwnW-qCTCYhLYxjTIa3JT-w

This blogger attempts to track Florida numbers in spite of the state's obfuscation. 

[KSera]

16 minutes ago, kbutton said:

For Florida folks...

https://redemptivehistorytheology.com/florida-statistics-what-is-really-happening-archive/florida-covid-statistics-what-is-really-happening-march-31-2022/?fbclid=IwAR2LYdHqPs2MEMuuzHdMXYa7zPD_Z44J6k4HbwnW-qCTCYhLYxjTIa3JT-w

This blogger attempts to track Florida numbers in spite of the state's obfuscation. 

Florida’s obfuscation strategy seems to be working. It’s pretty common for local people who are unhappy with our Covid mitigation measures to talk about visiting Florida and how Florida is not having any problem with Covid despite not having any restrictions in place 🙄. 

[Mom_to3]

A sobering account of the funding mess regarding covid in the US. https://www.politico.com/news/2022/04/05/congress-covid-bill-global-again-00023033

The10 billion they are arguing over now will only buy a few short months of funding relief, and there does not appear to be the will to fund anything more unless and until there is a "real emergency" or "real crisis" (if Omicron wasn't a crisis, this does not sound good!!).

[KSera]

13 minutes ago, KSera said:

Florida’s obfuscation strategy seems to be working. It’s pretty common for local people who are unhappy with our Covid mitigation measures to talk about visiting Florida and how Florida is not having any problem with Covid despite not having any restrictions in place 🙄. 

Oh, and a favorite thing they like to do is take a single recent week when Florida had a lower death rate than California and use it as proof that none of California’s mitigation strategies have made any difference at all. 

[Ausmumof3]

What do we know about XE? Seems like a new variant a week at the moment.

[ktgrok]

12 hours ago, kbutton said:

For Florida folks...

https://redemptivehistorytheology.com/florida-statistics-what-is-really-happening-archive/florida-covid-statistics-what-is-really-happening-march-31-2022/?fbclid=IwAR2LYdHqPs2MEMuuzHdMXYa7zPD_Z44J6k4HbwnW-qCTCYhLYxjTIa3JT-w

This blogger attempts to track Florida numbers in spite of the state's obfuscation. 

I had to stop reading, I was getting too angry. The part about DeathSantis telling teens to take off their masks indoors had my blood pressure rising again. 

And the 1 million expired tests...when just weeks before no one could find a test anywhere. 

Stuff I knew, but still..ugh. 

[kbutton]

3 hours ago, ktgrok said:

I had to stop reading, I was getting too angry. The part about DeathSantis telling teens to take off their masks indoors had my blood pressure rising again. 

And the 1 million expired tests...when just weeks before no one could find a test anywhere. 

Stuff I knew, but still..ugh. 

It's crazy! I am glad that people are tracking this and trying to get the information out. People in my neck of the woods think he's a good guy. 

[ktgrok]

1 hour ago, kbutton said:

It's crazy! I am glad that people are tracking this and trying to get the information out. People in my neck of the woods think he's a good guy. 

I can read the words in the bolded sentence, but they don't make sense in that order, lol. Good guy is the last thing I'd call him. And I have a LOT of things I'd like to call him. 

[Tenaj]

4 hours ago, kbutton said:

It's crazy! I am glad that people are tracking this and trying to get the information out. People in my neck of the woods think he's a good guy. 

I keep getting in awkward situations with so many people here who think he is just the best thing since sliced bread . . . I keep determining to keep my mouth shut but then he comes up again in conversation and starts being praised and I find myself unable to reign it in.

[Acadie]

Two weeks after my 8 yo niece's school in VT lifted their mask requirement, she lost her voice and tested positive for Covid, along with 3 other children in her class. A few days later, the rest of her family is symptomatic and testing positive too. 

Everyone in the family was vaccinated and everyone eligible was boosted.  

We've learned nothing through this pandemic. 

[kbutton]

7 minutes ago, Tenaj said:

I keep getting in awkward situations with so many people here who think he is just the best thing since sliced bread . . . I keep determining to keep my mouth shut but then he comes up again in conversation and starts being praised and I find myself unable to reign it in.

This kind of thing is one reason I am reluctant to start church shopping. 

I feel like it's been good for me to have a break from politics in church, but the minute I go back to church (even a different one), it's likely to be there. I'm just now getting back to a place where I feel like I can hear sermons and not find things triggering. We're watching a church online that is not local to us, but family attend, so we've been there many times in person. It's SO MUCH better than most churches on these things, but one stray mark like "It's nice to be able to see your faces" after their mask mandate was lifted (very recently), and TBH, I am ready to quit again. I have to tell myself that they've been doing the right thing for more than two years, so they are probably happy to see people's faces.

It didn't have to be this way. Churches could've found ways to maintain a tether to the truth. They opted not to. That's the part that galls me.

I feel like I am learning all over again how to do Christianity without all of this stuff. It's in turns wonderful, awful, comforting, dismaying, and enlightening! 

 

[Harriet Vane]

1 minute ago, kbutton said:

It didn't have to be this way. Churches could've found ways to maintain a tether to the truth. They opted not to. That's the part that galls me.

I feel like I am learning all over again how to do Christianity without all of this stuff. It's in turns wonderful, awful, comforting, dismaying, and enlightening! 

 

Yes, this. I feel this acutely.

 

[kbutton]

1 minute ago, Harriet Vane said:

Yes, this. I feel this acutely.

 

I am reading Vanishing Grace by Phillip Yancey. 

I am reconsidering things like how to tithe--do I give a church all of our offering money if they are neglecting key areas of ministry, or do I withhold some and give that to places that are ministering to those needs? Do I get involved, or do I show up on Sunday but find someplace else to volunteer so that I don't just fall into old patterns? 

How much do I depend on a church for friendship? Closeness is really nice. It's especially nice if you experience it after being on the outside looking in (it can take years to be really accepted). It's wonderful if it helps your kids make friends (apparently it did not in our case, which is rotten to find out). It's wonderful when you need a meal because someone is sick. It's great if you need to move. It's not so great when your "church family" won't even offer a Zoom Bible study and people show up unmasked when the church specifically asked them to mask, It's not so great when you realize you make friends with essentially only one kind of people (some variation, but not really), particularly racially. 

I don't have the kind of life where I can have my hands in many different pots--there in enough just holding things together right now (surgeries, tutoring with intervention specialists, DH with erratic work schedule, etc.). I might in a few years, but not now. It sounds exhausting to branch out, but I don't want to go back to my life revolving around church if church has to baptize all activities and actually gets in the way of ministering outside of the four walls. I know extraverts who can do all of this, but I am not an extravert. 

[bookbard]

Just read two articles, one about a Russian teacher possibly facing prison for telling the truth about Ukraine. The next about the situation in parts of the UK where hospitals are asking families to take in their ill contagious relatives because there are not enough beds. And yet apparently 'the pandemic is over' . . . I feel like we're being asked to be complicit in all these lies about covid in the same way the poor Russian teachers is being told to lie about Ukraine. 

[Ausmumof3]

34 minutes ago, bookbard said:

Just read two articles, one about a Russian teacher possibly facing prison for telling the truth about Ukraine. The next about the situation in parts of the UK where hospitals are asking families to take in their ill contagious relatives because there are not enough beds. And yet apparently 'the pandemic is over' . . . I feel like we're being asked to be complicit in all these lies about covid in the same way the poor Russian teachers is being told to lie about Ukraine. 

Gaslighting on an international scale. 

[Mom_to3]

Please read this entire article on blood clots and covid. Risk highest in those with severe disease, but very significant even in those with mild disease and for up to six months after infection. Insane that we are just supposed to go ahead and get infected and infect those around us in a return to normal:  "[T]hey identified a 33-fold increase in the risk of pulmonary embolism, a fivefold increase in the risk of DVT and an almost twofold increase in the risk of bleeding in the 30 days after infection. People remained at increased risk of pulmonary embolism for six months after becoming infected, and for two and three months for bleeding and DVT."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/06/covid-linked-33-fold-increase-risk-pulmonary-embolism-dvt

[ktgrok]

3 hours ago, Acadie said:

 

We've learned nothing through this pandemic. 

Well, we've learned people are less trustworthy than we thought. 

[Ausmumof3]

RF seems to be heading down in all states here. Not all are under 1 but they are all on the way down so I think we might be close to peaking? Hopefully.

[Arcadia]

@Ausmumof3 thought you might be interested in the numbers of reinfection for Singapore 

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/more-8800-covid-19-reinfections-about-5-months-2613376

“In a written parliamentary answer to MP He Ting Ru (WP-Sengkang), Mr Ong said that from Nov 1, 2021 to Mar 25, 2022, there were 8,845 cases of reinfection in Singapore.

The majority of reinfection cases are under 60 years old, with most of the cases having mild symptoms.

One person was admitted into the intensive care unit, and two others died.”

[Lisa]

5 hours ago, Mom_to3 said:

Please read this entire article on blood clots and covid. Risk highest in those with severe disease, but very significant even in those with mild disease and for up to six months after infection. Insane that we are just supposed to go ahead and get infected and infect those around us in a return to normal:  "[T]hey identified a 33-fold increase in the risk of pulmonary embolism, a fivefold increase in the risk of DVT and an almost twofold increase in the risk of bleeding in the 30 days after infection. People remained at increased risk of pulmonary embolism for six months after becoming infected, and for two and three months for bleeding and DVT."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/06/covid-linked-33-fold-increase-risk-pulmonary-embolism-dvt

Sadly, in the many covid patients I took care of, pulmonary embolism was the main reason why people required high amounts of oxygen, needed to be intubated and caused many deaths.

[Ausmumof3]

TGA have approved Pfizer boosters for 12-15 year olds. It’s not been recommended by ATAGI yet but hopefully not far off.

Dh is sick with something tonight. Negative RAT but he’s gone for PCR as he’s not convinced. 

[bookbard]

On 4/8/2022 at 11:19 PM, Ausmumof3 said:

TGA have approved Pfizer boosters for 12-15 year olds. It’s not been recommended by ATAGI yet but hopefully not far off.

 

ATAGI has now decided 12-15 year olds don't get sick enough. No mention of long covid or reducing the spread. It is bizarre that other countries have authorised the boosters but Australia hasn't. 

Anyone talking about 5-12 boosters at all?

[Melissa Louise]

2 hours ago, bookbard said:

ATAGI has now decided 12-15 year olds don't get sick enough. No mention of long covid or reducing the spread. It is bizarre that other countries have authorised the boosters but Australia hasn't. 

Anyone talking about 5-12 boosters at all?

No-one is even talking about Covid. Federal election and it's not even an issue.

We just hooked up Covid to the denial train, right behind climate change. 

[Corraleno]

Fascinating MedCram video on why low Vit D is very clearly associated with worse outcomes from covid, and yet supplementing Vit D does not seem to improve outcomes. The video is somewhat technical but a basic summary of the theory is that Vit D levels may simply be a marker for overall level of sun exposure, and it's actually not Vit D, which comes from UVB, that is protective against covid, it's intracellular melatonin that comes from near infrared rays. And one mechanism by which melatonin may help is by up regulating glutathione. (Interestingly, one of the supplements that's often recommended for covid is N-acetyl cysteine, aka NAC, which is required for making glutathione.) Well worth watching!

 

 

[Ausmumof3]

Mask mandates scrapped here except for public transport, hospital, aged care, disability care and schools. Schools subject to review after the holidays. I’m not looking forward to being the only one at work still masking.

[Melissa Louise]

20 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:

Mask mandates scrapped here except for public transport, hospital, aged care, disability care and schools. Schools subject to review after the holidays. I’m not looking forward to being the only one at work still masking.

I'll be with you! A few states away, but def in spirit. You may be surprised and find you're not the only one. 

[Melissa in Australia]

12 hours ago, bookbard said:

ATAGI has now decided 12-15 year olds don't get sick enough. No mention of long covid or reducing the spread. It is bizarre that other countries have authorised the boosters but Australia hasn't. 

Anyone talking about 5-12 boosters at all?

but the vaccine doesn't reduce spread.

 and the risk for heart troubles from the vax is highest in that age group, and they don't get as sick

[KSera]

2 hours ago, Melissa in Australia said:

but the vaccine doesn't reduce spread.

 and the risk for heart troubles from the vax is highest in that age group, and they don't get as sick

It does reduce spread. It doesn’t stop it, but it reduces it. More than that, it dramatically reduces poor outcomes. And even in that age group, the risk of heart effects is much higher for those who have Covid unvaccinated than from the vaccine. Not only is myocarditis much rarer in those who are vaccinated, but the type of myocarditis those rare cases get is a different form which is milder and self limiting compared to what those with Covid get. 

[Laura Corin]

51 minutes ago, KSera said:

It does reduce spread. It doesn’t stop it, but it reduces it. More than that, it dramatically reduces poor outcomes. And even in that age group, the risk of heart effects is much higher for those who have Covid unvaccinated than from the vaccine. Not only is myocarditis much rarer in those who are vaccinated, but the type of myocarditis those rare cases get is a different form which is milder and self limiting compared to what those with Covid get. 

There are reports that vaccination reduces long covid, which might be lifelong disruption for a young person.https://www.gov.uk/government/news/ukhsa-review-shows-vaccinated-less-likely-to-have-long-covid-than-unvaccinated

[prairiewindmomma]

https://answers.childrenshospital.org/covid-19-vaccination-teens/
 

Link discusses myocarditis in teens….risk is much higher being unvaccinated and getting COVID…

[prairiewindmomma]

Blood clots following vaccination seems to have a genetic marker association: https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/rare-vaccine-related-blood-clots-tied-gene-concentrated-antibodies-may-help-2022-04-06/

[Ausmumof3]

https://www.theage.com.au/national/man-dies-on-stretcher-after-waiting-hours-for-care-at-rural-hospital-20220412-p5acst.html
 

A man in rural VIC has died while waiting due to lack of availability for transfer to city hospitals. This reminded me of @Melissa in Australia sister earlier. I’m so glad her story had a better outcome than this one but the system must be quite stressed.

I know here all EDs are over capacity most nights now - the worst was 180% of capacity last night. It’s covid but also increases in injuries etc with people doing normal activities and hospitals trying to clear the backlog of elective surgery. Or at least that’s what was said at the last press conference. Our new labour government has promised to fix the hospital crisis. I’ll be honest I don’t have that much trust in them but I really hope this is one promise they make good on given how much attention it’s been getting.

[Ausmumof3]

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2315586-ms-reversed-by-transplanted-immune-cells-that-fight-epstein-barr-virus/
 

This is not covid related but could be really good news for MS sufferers - only a small trial so far though

“Transplants of immune cells that target the Epstein-Barr virus have shown promise for treating multiple sclerosis in an early stage trial. Brain scans suggest the progression of the condition was reversed in some participants, but this needs to be confirmed by larger trials.”

Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2315586-ms-reversed-by-transplanted-immune-cells-that-fight-epstein-barr-virus/#ixzz7QHV8EUCT

[bookbard]

36 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:

A man in rural VIC has died while waiting due to lack of availability for transfer to city hospitals. This reminded me of @Melissa in Australia sister earlier. I’m so glad her story had a better outcome than this one but the system must be quite stressed.

I know here all EDs are over capacity most nights now - the worst was 180% of capacity last night. It’s covid but also increases in injuries etc with people doing normal activities and hospitals trying to clear the backlog of elective surgery. Or at least that’s what was said at the last press conference. Our new labour government has promised to fix the hospital crisis. I’ll be honest I don’t have that much trust in them but I really hope this is one promise they make good on given how much attention it’s been getting.

Yes, the news led with a story about the crisis in QLD with lack of ambulances due to the spread of covid - except they don't say 'because of covid', they say 'because of isolation rules', as though the rules about not going to work while ill are something separate from covid.

We had major issues at Sydney airport, and again, no one mentioned that the staff shortage was due to the high covid numbers in NSW right now. (Well that, and because a heap of staff were fired by the greedy boss). 

Equally, there was a story about one school with staff shortages. One school, when I would say almost every school in NSW was affected, some more than others, but all due to covid.

I can't wait till this election is over, not because one group or the other will 'fix' it, but maybe people will be 'allowed' to admit - Covid is having a terrible effect across the whole community.

[Ausmumof3]

7 minutes ago, bookbard said:

Yes, the news led with a story about the crisis in QLD with lack of ambulances due to the spread of covid - except they don't say 'because of covid', they say 'because of isolation rules', as though the rules about not going to work while ill are something separate from covid.

We had major issues at Sydney airport, and again, no one mentioned that the staff shortage was due to the high covid numbers in NSW right now. (Well that, and because a heap of staff were fired by the greedy boss). 

Equally, there was a story about one school with staff shortages. One school, when I would say almost every school in NSW was affected, some more than others, but all due to covid.

I can't wait till this election is over, not because one group or the other will 'fix' it, but maybe people will be 'allowed' to admit - Covid is having a terrible effect across the whole community.

I don’t think people are going to admit it anymore. I used to think at some point people would realise but people don’t seem to even in the face of harm to their own loved ones. 
 

Maybe if close contact rules are lifted like they’re talking about we will actually see whether it’s because of Covid or because of the rules. But it’s not a scenario I’m looking forward to!

[Melissa in Australia]

57 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:

https://www.theage.com.au/national/man-dies-on-stretcher-after-waiting-hours-for-care-at-rural-hospital-20220412-p5acst.html
 

A man in rural VIC has died while waiting due to lack of availability for transfer to city hospitals. This reminded me of @Melissa in Australia sister earlier. I’m so glad her story had a better outcome than this one but the system must be quite stressed.

I know here all EDs are over capacity most nights now - the worst was 180% of capacity last night. It’s covid but also increases in injuries etc with people doing normal activities and hospitals trying to clear the backlog of elective surgery. Or at least that’s what was said at the last press conference. Our new labour government has promised to fix the hospital crisis. I’ll be honest I don’t have that much trust in them but I really hope this is one promise they make good on given how much attention it’s been getting.

Same hospital as my sister 

[Melissa in Australia]

8 hours ago, prairiewindmomma said:

https://answers.childrenshospital.org/covid-19-vaccination-teens/
 

Link discusses myocarditis in teens….risk is much higher being unvaccinated and getting COVID…

I was talking about boosters in this age group, not unvaxed. 

The almost girlfriend of my son has myocarditis from the booster. Her chance of getting ill from covid was greatly reduced by being double vaxed but she was forced to get the booster because of her job, a super athletic fit girl in her prime now ill from the booster. 

 

3 of my adult children have had covid now. The ones with 2 shots had a slight snivel. That was all. the one that had the booster forced on him by his work begenning of last month has it now, and is ill, said feels like a very bad cold with aching bones. He said his whole work currently has covid. Every one of them, all triple vaxed begenning Feb. Forced to by gov mandate. It hasn't stopped people catching covid at all. 

[Harriet Vane]

1 hour ago, Melissa in Australia said:

I was talking about boosters in this age group, not unvaxed. 

The almost girlfriend of my son has myocarditis from the booster. Her chance of getting ill from covid was greatly reduced by being double vaxed but she was forced to get the booster because of her job, a super athletic fit girl in her prime now ill from the booster. 

 

3 of my adult children have had covid now. The ones with 2 shots had a slight snivel. That was all. the one that had the booster forced on him by his work begenning of last month has it now, and is ill, said feels like a very bad cold with aching bones. He said his whole work currently has covid. Every one of them, all triple vaxed begenning Feb. Forced to by gov mandate. It hasn't stopped people catching covid at all. 

I'm so sorry about your son's friend. That's hard.

The vaccinations have significantly reduced deaths and hospitalizations for those who vaccinated. They do stop many from catching it, and those that do catch it are able to stay alive. That is a reason to celebrate and a reason to be vaccinated--to stay alive.

[Melissa in Australia]

18 minutes ago, Harriet Vane said:

I'm so sorry about your son's friend. That's hard.

The vaccinations have significantly reduced deaths and hospitalizations for those who vaccinated. They do stop many from catching it, and those that do catch it are able to stay alive. That is a reason to celebrate and a reason to be vaccinated--to stay alive.

I am not talking about being vaccinated. I have stated that twice. I am talking about the booster

I was directly refering to the Australian gov determining that younger people don't need a booster.

 

 

[Ausmumof3]

3 minutes ago, Melissa in Australia said:

I am not talking about being vaccinated. I have stated that twice. I am talking about the booster

I was directly refering to the Australian gov determining that younger people don't need a booster.

 

 

I would like my kids to have to option to have the booster. I don’t want it to be mandatory. But mandatory measures seems to being wound back 

[Melissa in Australia]

3 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:

I would like my kids to have to option to have the booster. I don’t want it to be mandatory. But mandatory measures seems to being wound back 

Not in Victoria. All staff at schools, dwelp employees, medical staff, police, emergancy service workers etc had to have the booster last month.no exemptions at all I personally know many people who have had both doses, with bad reactions and who have since had covid that was milder than the reactions to the vax who have lost their jobs because they refused to have the booster. The Vic gov has just given themself an 3 month extension to their emergancy powers. They no longer need to get medical advice to justify this under their new laws they gave themselves. They are decrying the lack of the workforce, but excluding more and more fully vaccinated people from being able to work by their mandate that people have more and more boosters.