DhanyaCali Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 The link was taken off the Duggar page some one said? Hacker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justasque Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Interestingly, FJ notes that the statement changed, from this: Statement from Josh Duggar: I have been the biggest hypocrite ever. While espousing faith and family values, I have secretly over the last several years been viewing pornography on the internet and this became a secret addiction and I became unfaithful to my wife. I am so ashamed of the double life that I have been living and am grieved for the hurt, pain and disgrace my sin has caused my wife and family, and most of all Jesus and all those who profess faith in Him. I brought hurt and a reproach to my family, close friends and the fans of our show with my actions that happened when I was 14-15 years old, and now I have re-broken their trust. The last few years, while publicly stating I was fighting against immorality in our country, in my heart I had allowed Satan to build a fortress that no one knew about. As I am learning the hard way, we have the freedom to choose to our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences. I deeply regret all hurt I have caused so many by being such a bad example. I humbly ask for your forgiveness. Please pray for my precious wife Anna and our family during this time. Josh Duggar To: Statement from Josh Duggar: I have been the biggest hypocrite ever. While espousing faith and family values, I have been unfaithful to my wife. I am so ashamed of the double life that I have been living and am grieved for the hurt, pain and disgrace my sin has caused my wife and family, and most of all Jesus and all those who profess faith in Him. I have brought hurt and a reproach to my family, close friends and the fans of our show with my actions. The last few years, while publicly stating I was fighting against immorality in our country I was hiding my own personal failures. As I am learning the hard way, we have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences. I deeply regret all the hurt I have caused so many by being such a bad example. I humbly ask for your forgiveness. Please pray for my precious wife Anna and our family during this time. Josh Duggar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rose Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 I'm struggling a little with this thread. I don't want to sound like I'm defending JD or the likes. In fact I find much of his activism grossly inappropriate for someone claiming to follow Jesus. What I find distasteful about this thread is all the presumptions being made about his motivations for the statement he made. The fact is that none of you know. Maybe he's just a scummy business man who will try to market on this too or maybe he's genuinely sorry. Maybe he had an "in the flesh" affair or maybe it was just porn but we don't know. We just don't know what's really going on until we see what he does in time with it. The speculation and presumptions are pointless and gossippy. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albeto. Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 d/p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthwestMom Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 The second statement is better. I thought he was going to spin his AM membership to, "I was just using it to view the photos." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albeto. Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 I'm struggling a little with this thread. I don't want to sound like I'm defending JD or the likes. In fact I find much of his activism grossly inappropriate for someone claiming to follow Jesus. What I find distasteful about this thread is all the presumptions being made about his motivations for the statement he made. The fact is that none of you know. Maybe he's just a scummy business man who will try to market on this too or maybe he's genuinely sorry. Maybe he had an "in the flesh" affair or maybe it was just porn but we don't know. I'd wager a guess that he has a big mix of feelings about this. We just don't know what's really going on until we see what he does in time with it. The speculation and presumptions are pointless and gossippy. The fact is, there is a trend of behavior available to the public that renders some speculation to be more plausible than other speculation. Of course everyone is speculating, but they are doing so based on facts and personal experiences. It ceases to be gossip when one holds himself as a public standard of morality. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKL Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 I thought he was going to spin it to, "I was just doing it for research purposes for my Family Research Council job." (Or whatever the name was of the activist group he used to work for.) That would have totally worked if he hadn't bought the guarantee. :P 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albeto. Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 People are angry at JD for demonizing homosexuals, yet those same people are demonizing religious people who have never done anything to hurt homosexuals or anyone else. Except encourage parents to kick gay kids out of their house. Except to create a culture of harassment and oppression disproportionally aimed towards LGBTQ people. Except to teach children they are an abomination to the very god who loved them enough to endure death for a whole weekend. Except to continue applying social pressure when imprisonment, castration, and capital punishment is no longer legal. I think this is news because it gives people an excuse to attack a large group of people because, like every group, it has some members who have done rotten things. There are other people who do bad things, leave the poor pedophiles alone? Is that it? In using JD as the jumping-off point, these people make the Duggars that much more famous and give them that much more power - even encourage them to capitalize on their wrongs. It's almost as if you have no familiarity with what he has been promoting as his public role for years. 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommaduck Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 nm...already had been shared (catching up). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rose Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 The fact is, there is a trend of behavior available to the public that renders some speculation to be more plausible than other speculation. Of course everyone is speculating, but they are doing so based on facts and personal experiences. It ceases to be gossip when one holds himself as a public standard of morality. He is in the spot light and holding up his actions to public scrutiny is legitimate. You all are probably even right about many of the speculations but I just don't see the point. Why make a whole bunch of speculations when the facts themselves show his character. Here's the only legitimate charges I can see against him: Molested siblings as a young teen Viewed porn Sought Adultery Called for violence against homosexuals Outspoken in opposition against homosexuality while seeking to commit adultery (ie. was a hypocrite) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pippen Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 That's as honest of a statement as he could issue. I hope, for everyone's sake, they can actually heal from this. Such a mess :( An honest statement would have been coming clean to his wife and family before it became public. I consider this a carefully worded statement crafted by his publicist. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IfIOnly Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Interestingly, FJ notes that the statement changed, from this: To: The second statement leaves out the pornography admission. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithManor Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 "By all the dear gods, please do share with us your insight as to why an incestuous pedophile secretly soliciting for sex from strangers during the years he profited from accusing LGBTQ for doing this very thing wouldn't be of interest to the public?" Thank you. This guy was a primo lobbyist in Washington D.C., and attempted to influence public policy at a national level. He spent $20,000 of lobby money to work AGAINST a resolution by congress in protest of proposed legislation in Uganda to make torture and execution of homosexuals legal! If we can't call out people who put themselves in such a position, then we may as well just throw up our hands in despair. Really. If you don't want the increased accountability of being in leadership at a national level, then don't go work as a premier spokesperson for a family values lobby with an awful number of politicians in your pocket in Washington D.C. Of course, maybe our nation has sunk so low that we really don't care what public policy makers and shakers are up to. Maybe we've embraced an "anything goes mentality." If that's the case, then ya, this just doesn't matter. 21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah CB Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 This whole thing brings to mind Susan's, "Art of Public grovel". Yes, and by the sounds of his apology he may have even read the book. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKL Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 "By all the dear gods, please do share with us your insight as to why an incestuous pedophile secretly soliciting for sex from strangers during the years he profited from accusing LGBTQ for doing this very thing wouldn't be of interest to the public?" Thank you. This guy was a primo lobbyist in Washington D.C., and attempted to influence public policy at a national level. He spent $20,000 of lobby money to work AGAINST a resolution by congress in protest of proposed legislation in Uganda to make torture and execution of homosexuals legal! If we can't call out people who put themselves in such a position, then we may as well just throw up our hands in despair. Really. If you don't want the increased accountability of being in leadership at a national level, then don't go work as a premier spokesperson for a family values lobby with an awful number of politicians in your pocket in Washington D.C. Of course, maybe our nation has sunk so low that we really don't care what public policy makers and shakers are up to. Maybe we've embraced an "anything goes mentality." If that's the case, then ya, this just doesn't matter. Was. Was. Was. He is a has-been with no credibility. Trying to make news out of something legal that millions of men do, in this case, is basically beating a dead horse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albeto. Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 He is in the spot light and holding up his actions to public scrutiny is legitimate. You all are probably even right about many of the speculations but I just don't see the point. Why make a whole bunch of speculations when the facts themselves show his character. Here's the only legitimate charges I can see against him: Molested siblings as a young teen Viewed porn Sought Adultery Called for violence against homosexuals Outspoken in opposition against homosexuality while seeking to commit adultery (ie. was a hypocrite) Good question, and while I would be happy to contribute my opinion, Faith has already provided such a wonderful answer for this question. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mimm Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Can someone tell me why this is news? Really. You know very well why this is news. Really. 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KungFuPanda Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Well, he said viewing porn led him to be unfaithful, and the comment was in response to being outed for being on AM. So I think it is pretty difficult to interpret it as anything other than saying yes he actually had sexual encounters of some kind with other women. Difficult in our language, but vague enough in cult-speak. In fact, the apology was completely appropriate. Nothing he says will redeem him in the eyes of the general public. His apology only needs to appease those who are open to forgiving him. I imagine it works in Gothard-speak. Inconceivable comebacks happen. I wouldn't be surprised if he became all 'reformed' and found work as an ATI preacher. He only has to sell himself to a very niche market to rally. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albeto. Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Was. Was. Was. He is a has-been with no credibility. Trying to make news out of something legal that millions of men do, in this case, is basically beating a dead horse. Disagree. He's the public face for an entire enterprise that should come tumbling down. This is not the first thread in which you've argued for people to leave pedophiles alone. It's a curious trend, and while I'm a proponent of free speech, I am a bit surprised that these posts don't get reported. The defense of sexual predators on a forum populated mostly by women with children is chilling. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKL Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Except encourage parents to kick gay kids out of their house. Except to create a culture of harassment and oppression disproportionally aimed towards LGBTQ people. Except to teach children they are an abomination to the very god who loved them enough to endure death for a whole weekend. Except to continue applying social pressure when imprisonment, castration, and capital punishment is no longer legal. There are other people who do bad things, leave the poor pedophiles alone? Is that it? It's almost as if you have no familiarity with what he has been promoting as his public role for years. 1. When I say people are attacking folks who have not hurt anyone, I'm talking about conservative religious people as a group, who are being accused in this thread (as in past threads) of rather fantastic things that cannot be true of the whole group. 2. I am familiar with what he has been promoting, because I have read stuff on this site and links that have been linked by posters here. However, I believe most Americans don't even know or care who this guy is. Why would they care if he had some secret trysts? Like he's the only male on the planet who ever cheated on his wife? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Argh--ran out of "likes" two three four pages ago! Me too! And it's killing me! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albeto. Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 1. When I say people are attacking folks who have not hurt anyone, I'm talking about conservative religious people as a group, who are being accused in this thread (as in past threads) of rather fantastic things that cannot be true of the whole group. The conservative religious people being called our are being called out specifically because they have a public track record of hurting people and encouraging those very habits and ideologies that hurt people. Reread the thread for more information. 2. I am familiar with what he has been promoting, because I have read stuff on this site and links that have been linked by posters here. However, I believe most Americans don't even know or care who this guy is. Why would they care if he had some secret trysts? Like he's the only male on the planet who ever cheated on his wife? TWTM forums is a community populated by a particular demographic - home educators. Of this community, many identify as xians, and many of those identify as conservative xians. The Duggars have been a source of inspiration and enjoyment on this forum for as many years as I've been here. To wonder out loud why that same family would then be the source of attention is disingenuous. 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKL Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Disagree. He's the public face for an entire enterprise that should come tumbling down. This is not the first thread in which you've argued for people to leave pedophiles alone. It's a curious trend, and while I'm a proponent of free speech, I am a bit surprised that these posts don't get reported. The defense of sexual predators on a forum populated mostly by women with children is chilling. Really? Who is defending anyone? I asked why it is news that a has-been cheated on his wife. This is not the first time you accused me of being pro-pedophile or maybe even a perv myself. I was pretty tempted to report your post. I think you and several others like to beat this dead horse because it gives you another opportunity to attack Christianity. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 With Trump, who you see is who you get. He's a bloviating narcissist but makes no effort to conceal it. I can handle that better than duplicity, sneakiness and hypocrisy. Note: this is not a political post. Trump the man, the developer, the TV personality has been a bloviating narcissst his entire public life. I am not commenting on his politics in anyway shape or form. :) Yes, exactly. *whistles innocently* 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lang Syne Boardie Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Really? Who is defending anyone? I asked why it is news that a has-been cheated on his wife. This is not the first time you accused me of being pro-pedophile or maybe even a perv myself. I was pretty tempted to report your post. I think you and several others like to beat this dead horse because it gives you another opportunity to attack Christianity. (personal argument aside -- not meaning to intrude on a fight) but I do want to ask two things: 1. What in the world do you think of the Christians such as myself, who might equally be perceived as beating this dead horse? 2. How is this horse even dead? 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Well now the link appears to be broken, thanks for cutting and pasting his statement here. Yes, that's weird. If you go to the duggarfamily website and click on news it's all right there on the front page. But the specific page his statement is on is gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucyStoner Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 If someone doesn't consider this news worthy or comment worthy, then it is unclear why they would continuously participate in the thread. By participating, one is making it manifestly obvious that it is worthy of comment and discussion. 31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertBlossom Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 I'm surprised by the vitriol spewed here, but unfortunately I've come to expect it on these forums. I don't like JD either, but sometimes I feel like people are filling in all the unknowns about what really happened with the most hateful and disgusting assumptions possible. And I know that people disagree with JD's views (I do too) but I think people spewing anger and hatred aren't really taking the moral highroad either. Everything I know about ATI and Gothard I've learned here. And I don't agree with their teachings either. IMO, it's a sick distortion of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. But I also don't agree that it's the reason for all his problems. Or rather, I don't think that the opposite upbringing would have guaranteed a sparkly clean, morally upright life. JD made choices and he knew better. But his porn addiction and adultery are not the result of his ultra-conservative upbringing. There are plenty of people who grew up in open, liberal households who have developed porn addictions and gone on to do terrible things as well. We're all accountable for our own actions. The distinction between the ATI/Gothard teachings and regular, conservative Christian teachings aren't always clarified in threads like these, so it may be just my own feathers that get ruffled a bit when I see vague references to "conservative" teachings. But as a conservative Christian, I hate to see JD's poor behavior given as "proof" that teaching abstinence before marriage doesn't work. 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mimm Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 I wonder why the edit. This way actually makes it sound like he's not trying to blame porn or say that the viewing of the porn is the unfaithfulness part. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 An honest statement would have been coming clean to his wife and family before it became public. I consider this a carefully worded statement crafted by his publicist. To be fair, do we know he did not? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mimm Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 (personal argument aside -- not meaning to intrude on a fight) but I do want to ask two things: 1. What in the world do you think of the Christians such as myself, who might equally be perceived as beating this dead horse? 2. How is this horse even dead? :iagree: I think it's very important for Christians to speak up and say that no, these beliefs are not ok with us and do not represent what we believe. So that's part of why we are "beating a dead horse". 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IfIOnly Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 To be fair, do we know he did not? From the Duggar's blog: Please see the statement below from our son Josh regarding recent media stories about him. When we learned of this late last night our hearts were broken. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minerva Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Am I the only one who read is statement and felt that he admitted adultery as a preemptive move to acknowledge it before it becomes public? I am sure he is sweating bullets right now wondering if any of his hook-ups (if he indeed had them) will come forward. Rose M, I understand your desire to believe him, but given his track record of deception, it seems like a stretch. It is hard to read his motivation for admission as anything more than the same old, same old. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucyStoner Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 I don't have vitriol for conservative Christians. I do have a deep dislike, distrust and low opinion of the brand of faith pushed by IFB/ATI/BLP/Gorhardites. Saying I am morally opposed to a patriarchal cult like sect with a long documented history of sexual, spiritual and physical abuse isn't vitriolic. I see a lot of people saying that. For good reason. Patriarchal cults rob people of so much. Unfortunately, I've seen it play out IRL and not just in the abstract. I don't see any vitriol towards things like abstinence before marriage (and not that it matters but my sexual partner count is a number between 1 and 1, same for my husband- we did marry young and have kids young and believe in delaying sexual activity until one is old enough to be in a consensual, loving, reciprocally beneficial committed relationship). 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 I wonder why the edit. This way actually makes it sound like he's not trying to blame porn or say that the viewing of the porn is the unfaithfulness part. Where was it edited? It's in the original form on the duggarfamily blog. http://duggarfamily.com/news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 From the Duggar's blog: Right. That was his *parents* saying that. I am saying we don't know that he did not come clean to his *wife.* 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mimm Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 I do find it very odd behavior to read these threads and then complain that people are talking. :confused1: 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extendedforecast Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Problem here. Big red flag. This site is not about porn, it's about meeting for hook ups. I have no doubt that he's into porn, but he never even addressed this issue. If it's stolen identity including IP address which is really not likely, he could have denied this aspect. He didn't even address it. Not at all. One can view porn and not solicit for a hook up. That's pretty common. He solicited for a hook up, whether or not he went through with it being another issue. So again, not a real confession or apology...a half the story attempt to shut everyone up. Therefore, this isn't going to "go away" for him in the media because he still hasn't addressed the Ashley Madison issue. Does he need to address the AM issue specifically? He publicly acknowledged that he was unfaithful to his wife. All the specifics should be told to his wife. He doesn't owe the public anything else. I'm not defending JD at all. I feel awful for Anna and their kids. If I were the one being cheated on, I wouldn't want all the details made public. I do hope she finds a way to leave if that's what she wishes to do. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mimm Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Where was it edited? It's in the original form on the duggarfamily blog. http://duggarfamily.com/news I have no idea. I'm confused now. I read that it had been edited but I'm not sure where. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashfern Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 So I'm curious: did everyone else here know about this cheating website before the hack? 'Cause not only had I never heard of it, it had never occurred to me that such a thing might exist. Where do all these cheating spouses find out about it? Is it advertised on porn sites? Do they google "how to cheat on your spouse" and it pops up? I don't think I live under a rock, but this had never crossed my radar before. I've seen billboards for it. I live in the greater Metro Atlanta area. I have not ever gone onto the site though. :huh: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiguirre Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 I highly doubt Josh actually had an affair in the flesh. I'm pretty sure we would have heard about it by now from someone seeking their 15 min. or just wanting others to know what a slime he is. I can't stand the Duggars. I could do a whole spiel about my experience with knowing types like them. I run far, far away from them now. Life is too short for that toxic waste. No, I think most women would prefer not to be a cut-rate Monica Lewinsky. Who would want everyone to know they hooked up with the guy who is famous for molesting his sisters and lobbying to kill LGBT Ugandans? That's not something you want to post to Facebook. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teachermom2834 Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 No, I think most women would prefer not to be a cut-rate Monica Lewinsky. Who would want everyone to know they hooked up with the guy who is famous for molesting his sisters and lobbying to kill LGBT Ugandans? That's not something you want to post to Facebook. I think it is very possible a woman could hook up with Josh Duggar and not know who he is. He is famous in certain circles but not everywhere. And I know the name but wouldn't recognize him if I saw him. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 I've seen billboards for it. I live in the greater Metro Atlanta area. I have not ever gone onto the site though. :huh: I felt like I saw billboards on the way to NYC, but I never knew what the site was for until the news of the hack (not the Josh Duggar part). I think I assumed it was a strip club or something similar. It doesn't completely surprise me that AM exists, but I assume there's a LOT of stuff on-line that I never imagined. I just watched a news show that talked about the Tinder App. Otherwise I would probably not have known about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rose Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Rose M, I understand your desire to believe him, but given his track record of deception, it seems like a stretch. It is hard to read his motivation for admission as anything more than the same old, same old. I actually agree that's it's likely I just think that it's unkind to make all this speculation on the off chance that he's sincere. Imagine that he is for a minute, what should he have said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandylubug Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Hey y'all!!!! :seeya: I have been crazy busy over the summer and haven't been on much. However, I JUST saw the Josh Duggar news and my first thought was **GASP** What is the HIVE doing with this latest piece of evidence and I came straight here! Someone will need to fill me in on recent forum gossip... now I am off to start at beginning of this thread.. where is my popcorn :lurk5: 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithManor Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 I don't have vitriol for conservative Christians. I do have a deep dislike, distrust and low opinion of the brand of faith pushed by IFB/ATI/BLP/Gorhardites. Saying I am morally opposed to a patriarchal cult like sect with a long documented history of sexual, spiritual and physical abuse isn't vitriolic. I see a lot of people saying that. For good reason. Patriarchal cults rob people of so much. Unfortunately, I've seen it play out IRL and not just in the abstract. I don't see any vitriol towards things like abstinence before marriage (and not that it matters but my sexual partner count is a number between 1 and 1, same for my husband- we did marry young and have kids young and believe in delaying sexual activity until one is old enough to be in a consensual, loving, reciprocally beneficial committed relationship). I ran out of likes. So, I'm going to clap. :hurray: 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathryn Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 I actually agree that's it's likely I just think that it's unkind to make all this speculation on the off chance that he's sincere. Imagine that he is for a minute, what should he have said? Something along the lines of "I confessed this to my wife several months ago when I closed the account after realizing the error of my ways [instead of closing it because I got scared because my previous molestations were about to come to light]. We have been in counseling together and I have been in individual counseling." 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spy Car Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 I actually agree that's it's likely I just think that it's unkind to make all this speculation on the off chance that he's sincere. Imagine that he is for a minute, what should he have said? What if he is sincere? Then he is a self-admitted hypocrite who advocated for torturing and murdering people for their "sexual sins" (according to him). Has he apologized for that? No. I think the man is a monster. A creep. And dangerous. The Family Research Council lives on to do their nefarious work. This is no "dead horse." Wish it were. Bill 25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsheresomewhere Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Am I the only one who read is statement and felt that he admitted adultery as a preemptive move to acknowledge it before it becomes public? I am sure he is sweating bullets right now wondering if any of his hook-ups (if he indeed had them) will come forward. Rose M, I understand your desire to believe him, but given his track record of deception, it seems like a stretch. It is hard to read his motivation for admission as anything more than the same old, same old. When the news first broke about what he did to his sisters, they said more stuff would follow. I am betting more will come. This also brings back again those who would report him being seen in strip clubs in Arkansas years ago. Personally, I would love to see this break open a way for any female in ATI ( or any other group/cult) to learn a way to break free or get help outside of the group. I will continue to have hope for that. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audrey Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Interestingly, FJ notes that the statement changed, from this: Quote Statement from Josh Duggar: I have been the biggest hypocrite ever. While espousing faith and family values, I have secretly over the last several years been viewing pornography on the internet and this became a secret addiction and I became unfaithful to my wife. I am so ashamed of the double life that I have been living and am grieved for the hurt, pain and disgrace my sin has caused my wife and family, and most of all Jesus and all those who profess faith in Him. I brought hurt and a reproach to my family, close friends and the fans of our show with my actions that happened when I was 14-15 years old, and now I have re-broken their trust. The last few years, while publicly stating I was fighting against immorality in our country, in my heart I had allowed Satan to build a fortress that no one knew about. As I am learning the hard way, we have the freedom to choose to our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences. I deeply regret all hurt I have caused so many by being such a bad example. I humbly ask for your forgiveness. Please pray for my precious wife Anna and our family during this time. Josh Duggar To: Quote Statement from Josh Duggar: I have been the biggest hypocrite ever. While espousing faith and family values, I have been unfaithful to my wife. I am so ashamed of the double life that I have been living and am grieved for the hurt, pain and disgrace my sin has caused my wife and family, and most of all Jesus and all those who profess faith in Him. I have brought hurt and a reproach to my family, close friends and the fans of our show with my actions. The last few years, while publicly stating I was fighting against immorality in our country I was hiding my own personal failures. As I am learning the hard way, we have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences. I deeply regret all the hurt I have caused so many by being such a bad example. I humbly ask for your forgiveness. Please pray for my precious wife Anna and our family during this time. Josh Duggar Ah, of course... someone obviously edited that. The first -- the Satan excuse -- that panders straight to the fundie fanclub who may still be gullible enough to give them more leeway (and money). The second appeals to the broader audience -- but only very, very barely. It's all insincere pandering bullshit. Josh IS very, very sorry. But only sorry that he got caught. 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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