Melissa in Australia Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 :o sorry, my spell check wasn't very helpful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa in Australia Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 I believe in dragons. I have a bearded dragon that has moved into my flower garden. it has made a burrow, so maybe I might have more bearded dragons soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean in Newcastle Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 :o sorry, my spell check wasn't very helpful Just joking around. :hat: I knew what you meant. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean in Newcastle Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 dp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa in Australia Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 :coolgleamA: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeachyDoodle Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 They say that Antarctica forms an ice wall around the edge of the world that nobody has penetrated. Anyone claiming to have crossed Antarctica is part of the scientific hoax. http://www.livescience.com/24310-flat-earth-belief.html Yeah, that's where I quit reading. Pretty sure they stole that from A Game of Thrones... Or maybe it's the other way around? ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Mungo Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Yeah, that's where I quit reading. Pretty sure they stole that from A Game of Thrones... Or maybe it's the other way around? ;) Hm, has anyone in the books sailed far enough south to reach a wall of ice? Interesting idea. Could a non-spherical planet with a slow rotation and a wobble be responsible for the crazy seasons? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeachyDoodle Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Hm, has anyone in the books sailed far enough south to reach a wall of ice? Interesting idea. Could a non-spherical planet with a slow rotation and a wobble be responsible for the crazy seasons? Well, I certainly don't see why not... :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatHomeschoolDad Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Where's the giant wall of ice? This is clearly just another government hoax. Isn't that Discworld, as in Terry Pratchett? I don't see the elephants and turtle, tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Mungo Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 My first two choices were: "is the earth alive" and "is the end near." Should I be paranoid now? Proof that the earth is alive, giant lips: http://img.ibtimes.com/www/data/images/full/2011/11/21/193428-lips.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Mungo Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Isn't that Discworld, as in Terry Pratchett? I don't see the elephants and turtle, tho. Oh, the elephants and turtle are in this thread. :) Do you think Martin would be annoyed at people comparing the GoT universe to Discworld? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatHomeschoolDad Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 I'm not a YEC, but I don't think it is possible to distinguish by science between a light that actually has its origins millions of years ago and a light created much more recently by God already seemingly en route. Actually, it's called the red shift, and we've known about it for about a century, and it let's us, in part, tell far away (older, if you will) light from closer (younger) light. It's like the Doppler effect. When a train passes you, the engineers aren't really doing anything like pressing buttons to make the horn sound change pitch. It really is science, and not terribly new science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoobie Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 What about airplanes? Do they just donk into the imaginary wall at the edge of the earth? Or are they hoaxes too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatHomeschoolDad Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Oh, the elephants and turtle are in this thread. :) Do you think Martin would be annoyed at people comparing the GoT universe to Discworld? Sorry, came in late and didn't scroll far enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Mungo Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 What about airplanes? Do they just donk into the imaginary wall at the edge of the earth? Or are they hoaxes too? Pilots are being tricked by their instruments into believing they are circumnavigating a globe instead of going around in a circle. NASA scientists (or maybe personnel is a better word?) vigilantly guard the ice wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatHomeschoolDad Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Pilots are being tricked by their instruments into believing they are circumnavigating a globe instead of going around in a circle. NASA scientists (or maybe personnel is a better word?) vigilantly guard the ice wall. Overseas piloting is thus like NASCAR, they can only go so far before they just have to turn left! It all makes sense now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucyStoner Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 I am more than a little amused that elf on a shelf, hollow/flat earth, the exorcist and the end times all come before the economy and climate change. Priorities people, priorities. I rarely ever search on my phone so the google results on mine are not really customized. Lest anyone think I've been googling for elf on the shelf answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatHomeschoolDad Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 The elf knows the world is flat...just like the shelf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truscifi Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 But don't you understand? You can just put sugar in your tea! No. Just no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoxcell Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 You are definitely entitled to your opinion. I disagree completely! I am young earth and the notion of a flat earth is not something I subscribe to. I have never met a person who did. Are you sure the site isn't a hoax? I don't appreciate being compared to the flat earth society. I'm just confused why my quote was placed before this comment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Mungo Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 I'm just confused why my quote was placed before this comment? I have to assume she misunderstood what you were saying or pushed quote on the wrong post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheres Toto Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 My google is elf on the shelf and the e train. I think the elf is creepy but I guess the e train could have come from looking up trains into/in NYC. My earth response is worded much more scientifically than y'all "is the earth a perfect sphere". :laugh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrub Jay Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Was it ever determined if the site in the OP was satirical? My DH refuses to believe it is real. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tangerine Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Any idea you know what her reasoning is? How does she explain what has been found - or still can be found - in the earth (not just museums). Who's the deceiver? Satan/demons? Or scientists trying to fool people? (Seriously trying to understand their reasoning - not to agree with it - just to understand it.) Sorry it took forever to respond! Satan is the deceiver. Scientists are his minions, I would guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatHomeschoolDad Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Not tooooo off topic, but I caught a great RadioLab last nite about coral fossil rings showing earth years used to have over 400 days becausr the moon was closer, and, like a figure skater with her arms pulled in, we spun faster (your winter olympic hs tie in for the day). The moon is also getting farther away from us by a few inches each year, and Usain Bolt could confuse a rooster on Venus: http://www.radiolab.org/story/times-they-are-changin/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excelsior! Academy Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Caveman drawings? Citations please? Don't you find it odd that ancient texts describe a variety of animals, most of which exist today, but they don't describe dinosaurs? You would think a society living amongst raptors and the occasional T-Rex would at least mention them in passing. Instead you rely on "caveman" drawings. Sound logic there. Here is one. It is in the Angkor Thom. Off to find more There is actually a tribe in (Congo?) that claims to see a large dinosaur like creature. When shown renderings of Apatosaurus they claim that it is what they see. For years people did not believe the giant squid existed. I am not saying I believe the Apatosaurus is running the earth today. Due to its sheer size and the amount of earth we have explored, plus air travel makes it highly unlikely, yet there is a tribe that claims to have seen them recently. You don't have to taunt me just because you disagree. I don't agree with you, yet I try to respond respectfully. I'm just confused why my quote was placed before this comment? I have to assume she misunderstood what you were saying or pushed quote on the wrong post. I did misunderstand. I thought you were comparing YE to flat earth believers and did not realize you were doing the opposite. I apologize. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Excelsior! Academy Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 I am having trouble posting links so you will have to Google the Angkor Thom dinosaur to see it. There was a T-Rex found with tissue in the 90s. It seems unlikely that tissue survived millions of years, hundreds or even thousands, maybe. Millions? Unlikely. In 1925 someone discovered several dinosaur figurines at the base of El Toro Mountain in the valley of Acambaro, about 180 miles north of Mexico city. (Again having trouble posting links, please Google or tell me how.) El-Kanatir a Jewish synagogue built in 400 to 700 AD has what appears to be dinosaurs attacking. There is also the Nile Mosaic from Palestrina. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellifera33 Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 I am having trouble posting links so you will have to Google the Angkor Thom dinosaur to see it. There was a T-Rex found with tissue in the 90s. It seems unlikely that tissue survived millions of years, hundreds or even thousands, maybe. Millions? Unlikely. http://www.livescience.com/41537-t-rex-soft-tissue.html Here is an interesting and recent article explaining how the T. rex soft tissues may have been preserved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onceuponatime Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 I am having trouble posting links so you will have to Google the Angkor Thom dinosaur to see it. Here is a possible explanation for the "dinosaur" carving at Angkhor Thom: http://www.relativelyinteresting.com/the-cambodian-stegosaurus-proof-that-humans-and-dinosaurs-coexisted/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jane in NC Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Google "is the e" and it auto fills " is the earth flat" as the first suggestion. "Is the earth round" is the second suggestion. So there are at least a few people out there who want to know! My auto fill said: Is the elf on the shelf real Is the end near Is the earth round is the earth hollow Priorities :D My list includes the question: is the empty set reflexive Somehow more provocative than "is the European Union a trade union". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jane in NC Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 :iagree: I live near the ocean, the horizon is defiantly curved. Apparently even the ocean defies the flat earthers. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onceuponatime Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 My list includes the question: is the empty set reflexive Somehow more provocative than "is the European Union a trade union". At least your questions sound somewhat intelligent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theYoungerMrsWarde Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Well, that was an entertaining read. I had to stop when I got to the part about how "the force known as gravity doesn't exist." :001_huh: :smilielol5: :iagree: Was it ever determined if the site in the OP was satirical? My DH refuses to believe it is real. LOL Mine, too! He wants to know if all space flight is faked how are they faking the effect of communication satellites? And if the sun is a spotlight, what is the moon? And this link makes the interesting point that it would take more money and technology to fake the moon landing than to actually go to the moon. The author also makes a point about people who believe in conspiracy theories. http://www.ejectejecteject.com/archives/000140.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theYoungerMrsWarde Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 :lol: My Swag Bucks search: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 :lol: My Swag Bucks search: You must do some REALLY interesting searches. :p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theYoungerMrsWarde Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 You must do some REALLY interesting searches. :p Ds7 asks a lot of questions; most of which I don't know the answers too. :D ETA: and some of my recent searched may have put me on an NSA watch-list. Because I'm a rebel like that. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Wife Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Actually, it's called the red shift, and we've known about it for about a century, and it let's us, in part, tell far away (older, if you will) light from closer (younger) light. It's like the Doppler effect. When a train passes you, the engineers aren't really doing anything like pressing buttons to make the horn sound change pitch. It really is science, and not terribly new science. If an omnipotent God wanted to, He could create a light that merely appears "old". His motivation for doing so is what I have trouble wrapping my brain around. I don't disagree with the YEC's that it COULD have happened that way. God can do anything. But just because He *CAN* do something, doesn't necessarily mean that He did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChocolateReignRemix Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Here is one. It is in the Angkor Thom. Off to find more There is actually a tribe in (Congo?) that claims to see a large dinosaur like creature. When shown renderings of Apatosaurus they claim that it is what they see. For years people did not believe the giant squid existed. I am not saying I believe the Apatosaurus is running the earth today. Due to its sheer size and the amount of earth we have explored, plus air travel makes it highly unlikely, yet there is a tribe that claims to have seen them recently. You don't have to taunt me just because you disagree. I don't agree with you, yet I try to respond respectfully. Please explain why we have to rely on drawings on cave walls (that are vague at best as to what they are supposed to be) when dinosaurs are not mentioned in any ancient texts. Again, one would think if raptors and T-Rex were running loose they would get at least a passing mention. The reality is that your beliefs lack both a logical foundation and basic supporting evidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatHomeschoolDad Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 If an omnipotent God wanted to, He could create a light that merely appears "old". His motivation for doing so is what I have trouble wrapping my brain around. I don't disagree with the YEC's that it COULD have happened that way. God can do anything. But just because He *CAN* do something, doesn't necessarily mean that He did. I'm glad you brought up divine motivation, as I think it applies across the faith/science conversation, whether it be evolution, physics, etc. As literature, the "character" of God radically changes from wrathful to benevolent. If God is all-loving for the children created in his image, why fool us? Why gift some with the brains, passion, and drive to devote a life to study only to pull the rug out? Haha. Fooled all you paleontolgists. Physicists! Suckers! Your life's work was a sham of MY doing. Beside all the evidence arguments, beside the faith arguments, it would seem to in part come down to loving or spiteful divene motivation, which are two very different Gods, indeed, which don't seem to fit with the texts on which the belief is based. Not bashing religion, but wishing it didn't see science as apart from the same valuable human experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slartibartfast Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Not bashing religion, but wishing it didn't see science as apart from the same valuable human experience. It does not only *some* of the religious do, which isn't the same thing. There are many people of faith who have a passion for science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricket Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Please explain why we have to rely on drawings on cave walls (that are vague at best as to what they are supposed to be) when dinosaurs are not mentioned in any ancient texts. Again, one would think if raptors and T-Rex were running loose they would get at least a passing mention. The reality is that your beliefs lack both a logical foundation and basic supporting evidence. http://humanexperience.stanford.edu/feature-dragons http://www.nytimes.com/2000/07/04/science/greek-myths-not-necessarily-mythical.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm Interesting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laundrycrisis Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Going back to the original post: http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=11211.0#.Us_KoZ5dXWM How does one even combat this kind of delusion?? :confused1: IMO if a person has an inner need to maintain a belief, and needs it to the point of being willing to spend the energy on the mental gymnastics that are necessary to keep it afloat, on a personal level, I'm happy to leave them to it......their journey is their business, and there is a reason for whatever their needs are at the moment, and I don't have to understand it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excelsior! Academy Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Please explain why we have to rely on drawings on cave walls (that are vague at best as to what they are supposed to be) when dinosaurs are not mentioned in any ancient texts. Again, one would think if raptors and T-Rex were running loose they would get at least a passing mention. The reality is that your beliefs lack both a logical foundation and basic supporting evidence. I would argue that ancient texts do mention dinosaurs. The leviathan and behemoth in Job as an example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChocolateReignRemix Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 I would argue that ancient texts do mention dinosaurs. The leviathan and behemoth in Job as an example. Yes, passing references to "something"...yet no other texts mention them. Again, if dinosaurs were so abundant, there would be more than a couple of vague descriptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excelsior! Academy Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 We can agree to disagree. I have enjoyed this thread. It is interesting to learn other people's viewpoints even when they differ from mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChocolateReignRemix Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 We can agree to disagree. I have enjoyed this thread. It is interesting to learn other people's viewpoints even when they differ from mine. It is more than disagreement - you hold a position that lacks both logic and evidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excelsior! Academy Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 It is more than disagreement - you hold a position that lacks both logic and evidence. You are just being rude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mommy22alyns Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 I hope the sweet tea fans recognized my sarcasm font... of COURSE you can't just "put sugar in it"! I may be a Northerner, but I've lived down South long enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Mungo Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 I would argue that ancient texts do mention dinosaurs. The leviathan and behemoth in Job as an example.You understand that Judaic scholars have a pretty firm understanding (and other texts) of what those verses refer to, and it is nothing to do with dinosaurs? I agree with the idea that there *are* texts that talk about dragons, and I am in the camp that believes they could be based partially upon dinosaur bones. Let us take an example that we have pretty solid evidence for, the cyclops. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/02/0205_030205_cyclops.html The ancients misinterpreted these skulls and imagined them as large man-like creatures. It is easy to see how one might imagine creatures that left behind dinosaur bones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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