jenbrdsly Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 (edited) Should it be: "I don't know who I will wake up with." or "I don't know whom I will wake up with." ???? Does "Waking up with" need a noun or a direct object? :confused::confused::confused: Normally I'm not so spacy but both kids are down with croup and I have a newspaper column due tomorrow----about sleep deprivation!!! Edited November 2, 2012 by jenbrdsly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter's Moon Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 My vote is for whom. When I do who/whom, I always rephrase the statement to use he/him. I would turn "I don't know whom I will wake up with" to "I will wake up with him." Since the rephrase would use him and not he, the statement will use whom and not who. Might be wrong, though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regentrude Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 Should it be: "I don't know who I will wake up with." or "I don't know whom I will wake up with." "whom" You would not say "with I", but "with me" - so it should be not "with who" but "with whom". But I would also change the sentence so that it is less awkward and does not end with "with": "I don't know with whom I will wake up." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justLisa Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 I would say "whom". You would not say "with I", but "with me" - so it should be not "with who" but "with whom". But I would change the sentence so that it does not end with "with": "I don't know with whom I will wake up." :iagree: with whom I will wake up sounds better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean in Newcastle Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 "whom"You would not say "with I", but "with me" - so it should be not "with who" but "with whom". But I would also change the sentence so that it does not end with "with": "I don't know with whom I will wake up." :iagree: Though the sentence does make me wonder about the circumstances that would lead to such a situation!:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinsfamily Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 "whom"You would not say "with I", but "with me" - so it should be not "with who" but "with whom". But I would also change the sentence so that it is less awkward and does not end with "with": "I don't know with whom I will wake up." :iagree: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenbrdsly Posted November 2, 2012 Author Share Posted November 2, 2012 "whom"You would not say "with I", but "with me" - so it should be not "with who" but "with whom". But I would also change the sentence so that it is less awkward and does not end with "with": "I don't know with whom I will wake up." "Every night when I go to bed I have no idea whom I will wake up with in the morning" That will be the actual sentence. Of course I mean that I will be waking up with one of my kids, not a random stranger! ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean in Newcastle Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 "Every night when I go to bed I have no idea whom I will wake up with in the morning" That will be the actual sentence. Of course I mean that I will be waking up with one of my kids, not a random stranger! ;) Well then, that would be correct both morally and grammatically!:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenbrdsly Posted November 2, 2012 Author Share Posted November 2, 2012 Thank you for the help! I am sooooooooo tired. My DD is just getting over croup, and now my DS has it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higginszoo Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 Agreeing that substituting other pronouns is a good way to tell ... I use third person, so he/sh goes with who and him/her goes with whom. This sentence requires a little shuffling, but 'I don't know if I will wake up with him.' makes more sense than 'I don't know if I will wake up with he.' So use whom because it goes with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spy Car Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 Well then, that would be correct both morally and grammatically!:D Spoiled my fun! :D I would say: "Every night when I go to bed I have no idea with whom I will awake in the morning." Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellie Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 Does "Waking up with" need a noun or a direct object? A direct object is still a noun. :) "Who" is the subjective form. IOW, you use it when it's the subject of the sentence. "Whom" is the objective form. It is either the direct object or the object of the preposition. It would be more correct to say "with whom I will wake up," but I can live with the way you wrote it. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathryn Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 Spoiled my fun! :D I would say: "Every night when I go to bed I have no idea with whom I will awake in the morning." Bill :iagree: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thescrappyhomeschooler Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 "whom"You would not say "with I", but "with me" - so it should be not "with who" but "with whom". But I would also change the sentence so that it is less awkward and does not end with "with": "I don't know with whom I will wake up." :iagree: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laura Corin Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 I don't know with whom I will wake up. Laura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WishboneDawn Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 A direct object is still a noun. :) "Who" is the subjective form. IOW, you use it when it's the subject of the sentence. "Whom" is the objective form. It is either the direct object or the object of the preposition. It would be more correct to say "with whom I will wake up," but I can live with the way you wrote it. :) You beat me to it. :D Everything cleared up for me once I realized "who" was a subject and "whom" was an object. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happypamama Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 I agree with "with whom I will wake up." But it might be even more accurate to say, "some random number of small people will be in my bed in the morning!" ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texasmama Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 Thank you for the help! I am sooooooooo tired. My DD is just getting over croup, and now my DS has it! My three youngest have had croup this past two weeks. It is ridiculous for kids this age to have croup. Oh...whom.:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twigs Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 A direct object is still a noun. :) "Who" is the subjective form. IOW, you use it when it's the subject of the sentence. "Whom" is the objective form. It is either the direct object or the object of the preposition. … I never knew what subjective & objective meant. Thanks to Ellie I do now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellie Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 But it might be even more accurate to say, "some random number of small people will be in my bed in the morning!" ;) :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellie Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 I never knew what subjective & objective meant. Thanks to Ellie I do now! :cheers2: And I can thank Easy Grammar. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Texican Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 I thought it was to whom? or by who?, which not only am I not sure is right, also does not fit this sentence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Word Nerd Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 I know how to use it, but I wish whom would go the way of thou and shalt. Down with whom! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurie4b Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 Should it be: "I don't know who I will wake up with." This is normal spoken English. It will probably become proper grammar eventually because this is how we talk. or "I don't know whom I will wake up with." This is almost the the correct grammar, but really it would be: "I don't know with whom I will wake up." ???? Does "Waking up with" need a noun or a direct object? :confused::confused::confused: Normally I'm not so spacy but both kids are down with croup and I have a newspaper column due tomorrow----about sleep deprivation!!! My answer is that it depends on context. "With whom" is the proper grammar, but would sound very stilted in a normal conversation if spoken "properly. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pegasus Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 I know how to use it, but I wish whom would go the way of thou and shalt. Down with whom! :iagree: You are my new hero! It can't go away fast enough to suit me. Even when used correctly, it sounds pretentious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKL Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 whom is correct, and you don't end with "with," you would say "with whom . . . " But that is awkward. I prefer: "I don't know who will be with me when I wake up." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TranquilMind Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 :iagree: Yes, this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThisIsTheDay Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 My kids are expected to know objective/subjective, but I am not. :D The lazy rule for determining who/whom: If you can answer them/him/her, use whom. (End in consonants.) If you can answer they/he/she, use who. (End in vowels. Pretend y is a vowel here.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet Crown Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 Well, Other. :) The 'who' form is so standard in colloquial English that 'whom' sounds awkward. We tend to say "I don't know who," with an elided "it is," the relative pronoun then being nominative. And I suspect that we just extend that elision to sentences like "I don't know who I will wake up with," understanding it as something like "I don't know who (it is that) I will wake up with." Generally, I wake up with either Wee Girl or the cat. That's whom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenbrdsly Posted November 3, 2012 Author Share Posted November 3, 2012 :) I'd like to point out for the record that I had two years of Latin and was taught to diagram sentences when I was younger. Apparently that has all gone out the window! Thank you to everyone who has saved me from my mistake. This would have been even worse than the time I misspelled Mt. Rainier. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QueenCat Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 :iagree: You are my new hero! It can't go away fast enough to suit me. Even when used correctly, it sounds pretentious. Pretentious? I guess I've just thought they're different forms of the same word, used in different contexts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MicheleinMN Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 I don't know with whom I will be waking up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audrey Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 with whom I don't know with whom I will be waking. Do not put prepositions at the end of sentences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenbrdsly Posted November 11, 2012 Author Share Posted November 11, 2012 Thank you all for the help (especially when I really needed it.) Here's the final result: That's not a zombie; it's a sleep deprived parent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellie Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 I thought it was to whom? or by who?, which not only am I not sure is right, also does not fit this sentence. "By whom were you invited?" "To whom did you send the invitations?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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