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La Texican

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  1. If I have something to say to you, I gotta say it. If I think of something to add to a recent conversation it will roll around my head, bugging me, until I get to say it to you.
  2. Your opinion--babies in checkout lanes Ask them what aisle they found them on, if you want another one.
  3. I'm very glad to hear that the parent knew, could be involved, could make an informed decision. Yes, even homeschoolers talk about how most young children process a lot more input, even when there's not much output. I could see myself possibly , making that decision to stay, if the teacher was open about what was going on and took time to make meetings to discuss it. My kid would have been fine academically in school because he could already read and could write all his letters. The way the school handled this just didn't give me anything to have faith in them. Woo-yeah, I'm sure I'm not doing the extraordinary version of homeschooling my kids. They get a lot, they do. I'm always looking at this board to see what to teach them. Yet I say it's not extraordinary because I know that when use your hand to reach for one thing you have to let go of another. When my chance at raising them is at it's end, when they're grown, I'm sure there'll be things I wish I could have given them. I guess I'm missing most of what you're saying about judging a child's behavior and basing our decisions on that. Maybe I'm not getting it because I don't have a program or a prepared environment, which probably would make things look different, even the child's behavior. As is, what else do I have to base my decisions on besides a child's behavior? (Genuinely curious). Is that just another way of saying to trust that they're getting something from the input even if it doesn't show yet, or is that sentiment about something else, some other way of making decisions?
  4. Wow. How would you explain to the parent paying all that money that their child was sitting there doing nothing for an entire year? I pulled my kid out of public because they told me he didn't do his work for several months. They told me several reasons why he'd be fine, and I shouldn't worry about him he'll grow out of it. To me, it made more sense to keep him home playing in mud puddles (although it ended up he did plenty of work at home). What is the point of sending a child, if they're not participating? Some of this thread has gone a little negative, and I hope this doesn't feel like I'm jumping on a dogpile, but this one was truly a doozy for me. Did the parents know the child was doing nothing and not participating for an entire year? I was upset that I was not told sooner. I would have tried to work with everybody and figure it out, but they waited too long to tell me what was happening with my own kid (and didn't really give me any answers that showed they had tried to work it out, or figure out what was going on.). To me, a child not participating means they're in the wrong environment, or the wrong age to be there, or there's something not working somewhere. Why would I send my kid to school to waste time when he can waste time at home? Take-away note, parents deserve to know what's happening whenever they trust other people with their kids.
  5. Ha-ha, teaching them to walk reminds me that I did not teach my daughter to walk, my son, who's 3 yrs. older did. At first I was mad when he started dropping her, until I realized the 3rd or 4th time she was falling in a more controlled manner, butt first, then using her thighs to drop more slowly. She was gaining balance very quickly. I told my husband what I saw happening and he said, "Well, he did learn to walk more recently than you. He probably remembers it." But my (then 4 yr. old) did like to experiment with the baby. Soon his favorite game was to run in fast circles around the baby while she stood still, until she got dizzy and fell down. I let him because she liked it and I figured it was good for her co-ordination, but I told him to stop whenever he tried to do it to other toddlers. I remember watching at the playgrounds when he was smaller. The other kids woulhelp him climb on equiptment that was too high for him. I watched and knew both of my kids had good co-ordination, and worked to develop it better. Sometimes other mothers or grandmothers would act very worried to see my small children playing on the big kid equiptment. I had seen them so many times. When they got in a position they couldn't manage they would ask for help. But I knew all the work they had done before, and that I usually don't stop them. I think that if children are stopped from taking these risks when they are little they don't develop a good idea of what they can't do, and also they don't develop their co-ordination. Then I think they take risks they're not equipped to judge, and haven't developed the co-ordination to take when they're older and you're not watching closely. This almost sounds like some of the Montessori ways you've described, except that it's more physical.
  6. (If you want) pretend these are e-mails and respond. Dear Montessori school, Our family is Catholic. I'm interested in sending my child next year because your preschool has a good reputation with several parents in our parish, but I don't know anything about Montessori. Tell me a little bit about your program. thanks, Catholic mom. Dear Montessori school, I'm looking for something different for my child. Their dad is a brilliant engineer, their older brother is dyslexic. I've seen how he struggles in school. Since our family genes are wired differently I'd like to make things easier on my younger child. How can your school help? Thanks. Dear Montessori school, My child has Down Syndrome. I see that she is teachble and don't want to put her in a system that writes her off as unteachable. I want her to have the best life. How can you help? Thanks. Dear Montessori school, We are hippies and there's a large unschooling community, but my child is too young yet. I'm considering your preschool for socialization so my kid will have a good time and make some friends. I've heard that Montessori follows the child. Please tell me about your school, and what the social scene is like. thanks. Dear Montessori school, My three year old learned to read using Sesame Street and a computer program. I've heard that Montessori has a good academic program for very young children. I'm interested in learning more. She can write all her letters and numbers and numbers and does a little addition and subtraction. Thanks. Dear Montessori school, My three year old is still in diapers and doesn't talk very clearly. I've heard that your school starts teaching children this young, but I don't see how that's possible since they're really still just babies. How do you even make them sit still? Thanks. (Obviously all these parents are going to need a different answer, right?)
  7. Humble Thinker, I would have thought jumping in the leaves develops spatial awareness, large motor control, and excercising their legs and lungs for health. I agree, when kids get wound up, they get wound up more. And when they are calm it leads to more calmness. I don't think I would choose to entice them away from the leaves as a matter of course, as in, considering thatthe best choice every time it happened. I can see how you would, though, because, when you have them, they're at school. There's plenty of time for them to jump in the leaves when they get home.
  8. Pen, I made up those examples as my impression of how waldorf and montessori function. I only wish I could have tried a montessori or waldorf education, I have no first hand experience. I did not know thst Waldorf teachers personally believe that fairies and gnomes are real (corporeal or spiritual?). I thought Waldorf did all that because they believed in the value of imagination. I knew they had some spiritual beliefs, like that children are souls that came here from somewhere else and the first seven years of life they're still "moving in" to their body. I read your pansy story a long time ago. I told my hubby, "they make life more magical for the kids. They tell them to plant a seed. Then at night the adults plant pansies in the cup and say, look kids. Flowers come from seeds." I thought it was beautiful. The hubby's all like, "oh. So they lie to the kids."
  9. I guess it's because kids are kids and whoever's spending their time watching them are going end up doing a lot of the same stuff. What Humble Thinker said about taking the long view and not running around putting out fires really resonated. When things aren't going as planned, you start wondering is this a healthy part of a growth spurt (physical or mental). Is this a problem that needs addressed? Was I wrong, or did I miss something when I planned this? Now our response is going to be different. My daughter asks, are fairies real? Are unicorns real? I say, do you want them to be? She says yes. I say, well I do too. Waldorf ssys unicorns live in the forest neat the beach, then puts a horn on a horse and takes the kids on a field trip to go see it. Montessori says no, now let's look at these horses, they have hooves. And these puppies have paws. And these chickens have claws. eta: and SWB says look at this stack of books that has unicorn stories and pick one and I'll read it toyou, then we'll go study history from the mideval ages and learn about the real people who once invented the unicorn and dragon stories. If you'd like we can compare the unicorn myths between the Irish, French, Chines, and African versions.
  10. I don't know enough about montessori to know what the activities were, or what the teacher, kid, or parent did wrong. But apparently montessori is not an "anything goes" system and this didn't work out that time.
  11. It's easy to say that Montessori offers the best of both worlds, academics taught by a play based method. It's probably a good thought experiment for you to imagine someone who, given all the information, would decide that play based daycare was better developmentally for their child, because some people do. One family I know used Montessori and it didn't work because the child was always choosing a play activity instead of a work activity. The mother did not understand the problem because if you give a child a choice it's not odd that a child would choose a play activity. The teacher apparently thought it was a problem, and couldn't fix it.
  12. A popular choice for preschool these days is play-based daycare. Some preschools are very academic, very young. A more enlightened group of parents, usually above average parents with above average kids, have decided that kids will spend plenty enough time learning once school starts, years of learning and then work ahead of them. They are choosing strictly play-based daycares, intentionally looking for a daycare that does little to no academics. This is some of your potential customers.
  13. Now, on one hand, you can say that Montessori fosters the child to grow independantly. That is the purpose of the program. On the other hand, it is fairly rigid in how it expects the child to grow. We expect you to choose to use these activities, and use them in just this way. That is missing the element of unstructured play from the first two examples, where the children make their own games, their own rules, and create their own solutions to their own problems. I think that might be the mismatch of ideals I can see between what you're describing and the topic of unstructured free play I've read in some of the topics mommies read and talk about.
  14. Other popular books, such as "how to talk so your kids will listen" apply the same idea to kids in a family. The idea is that parents want to help their kids, and tell them the answer, and fix every problem, but there's something developmentally missing if the kids don't learn to work through their own problems, without expecting mom to fix every little thing.
  15. There's a lot of talk about the importance of unsupervised play running around the parenting books, and blogs, and forums. The simpler soundbites posted on facebook reference the old days when kids were kicked outside all over the neighborhood and played unsupervised, exploring under the house, and the vacant lot, and making their own rules, own activities, own games, and working out their own problems, unless there was a real problem, then they got an adult. The saying is that there's something developmentally missing in the helecopter parent generation, and that helechoptering is the pendulum swinging back from the latchkey kids generation.
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