gardenmom5 Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Supervised....so the case worker who was supervising was outside and he used that opportunity to kill the kids? Wow. Just wow. he set this up before she ever arrived with the kids. He even sent a "goodbye" note to his lawyer. he got the kids in the house, and prevented her from entering. while she was on the phone to report that, she also noticed the smell of gas -the house then exploded. she's lucky to be alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenmom5 Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 The judge was an a$$. Who in the name of Heaven allows children BACK into the environment w/someone charged w/possessing kiddie p**n??? the kiddie p**n belonged to his dad. it was unkown if he was into it. he was required to move out of his dad's house. (daddy dearest is currently in jail awaiting trial on that.) the Police in UT turned over "Images" they had recovered from his own house in UT - the judge then ordered a pscyho-sexual evaluation and a polygraph before there would be another hearing to discus is if he could have unsupervised visitation or regain custody. there was a woman there who was paid to be a 'supervisor' over the visit. He prevented her from entering, and locked her outside. Honestly, this guy is such a piece of work, if it hadn't been this I can easily see him grabbing the kids from somewhere else and harming them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xuzi Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 he set this up before she ever arrived with the kids. He even sent a "goodbye" note to his lawyer.he got the kids in the house, and prevented her from entering. while she was on the phone to report that, she also noticed the smell of gas -the house then exploded. she's lucky to be alive. And I imagine she'll have nightmares about it for the rest of her life. :( I just keep thinking of all of the victims of this sick man's selfishness: his wife, those poor little boys, their grandparents and extended family, their friends, classmates, the social worker who witnessed the explosion, the owner of the rental house, and on and on. It's all just so tragic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeganCupcake Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 I found it all horrifying, too. I do have faith that mama and her little boys are together again in the next life. I can't imagine what they've all been through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenmom5 Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Now, that I have spent 20 min making sure this is not the same Josh Powell I went to highschool with, this is really sad. :crying: It is really eerie how similar they look, age, coloring and we are all from that area. I cannot imagine what the wife's parents are going through. so, you're from Puyallup? cool. I live in WA and have been following this, too. Very sad case, but it makes me wonder if there wasn't something else going on. Like: What if he was involved with some really bad criminal activity and the bad guys killed his wife to get him to do something. And what if they were now threatening the children? And he thought this was the only way out to save his kids from torture. I read too much fiction, but what if? We'll never really know and it's still unfathomable that two innocent children lost their lives. a friend of susan's had dinner with them that last night. Josh cooked - and handed everyone plates he prepared in the kitchen out of sight of everyone else. He was also on the phone with his dad most of the time the friend was there. susan then went to bed because she didn't feel well. no one did it but josh -though sounds like daddy dearest knows more than he's saying. (he's pretty scummy too. at least he's in jail.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sputterduck Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Maybe the case in Canada? The one that the documentary Dear Zachary was based on? That was heartbreaking. Yes, Canada! You know England, Canada... what's the difference, right? :001_huh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrapbabe Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 This story takes place not too far from where I live. I'm so heartsick for Susan's family. How they must be hurting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweetMissMagnolia Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 saw that on the news today---how sad..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impish Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 I live in WA and have been following this, too. Very sad case, but it makes me wonder if there wasn't something else going on. Like: What if he was involved with some really bad criminal activity and the bad guys killed his wife to get him to do something. And what if they were now threatening the children? And he thought this was the only way out to save his kids from torture. I read too much fiction, but what if? We'll never really know and it's still unfathomable that two innocent children lost their lives. Yeah, that makes sense...not to go to the police, ask for help, but kill your kids instead. :glare: What a lowlife coward. :iagree: Sadly, it's far more common than you might think. After all, these are his children, there were no formal charges (yet), and the visit would be supervised. I don't agree with this mentality, but that is how the child protection system operates. Actually, I've seen insanity in family courts, just from involvement w/women's shelters. Never ceases to p!ss me off, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PollyOR Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 If I read correctly.... At the very end it said he had been on suicide watch since Sunday. My question is why would visitation be allowed if he was on suicide watch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalanamak Posted February 6, 2012 Author Share Posted February 6, 2012 Oh my gosh. Those poor kids. :crying: Who got out of the car and ran in to see daddy ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFwife Claire Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 If I read correctly.... At the very end it said he had been on suicide watch since Sunday. My question is why would visitation be allowed if he was on suicide watch? No, I think that was Josh's dad that was put on suicide watch. The one who was arrested for having all the porn on his computer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PollyOR Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 No, I think that was Josh's dad that was put on suicide watch. The one who was arrested for having all the porn on his computer. Thanks, Claire. From the article: "Det. Ed Troyer said that Steven Powell was put on suicide watch on Sunday." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalanamak Posted February 6, 2012 Author Share Posted February 6, 2012 Thanks, Claire. From the article: "Det. Ed Troyer said that Steven Powell was put on suicide watch on Sunday." I'll be interested in the rumors. That jail recently had a man with a long history of erotic asphyxiation die of it. The jail didn't know about the man's past. They are jumpy about a repeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amy1k Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 :( This is such a horrible story. And so close to me that you wouldn't even believe it. My son and I were at the grocery store this afternoon and saw the smoke from the fire while we walked in. So sad. And so devastating to our community. :( I wonder if there is information about Susan that is about to be released or found. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Peregrine Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Reported Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennsmile Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 :crying: How tragic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MariannNOVA Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 DH mentioned this to me yesterday and I read the story b/c I had seen the thread topic here -- what the husband did is not far off from an awful Lifetime movie I saw years ago that was based on a true story -- it was a little different, though. The wife had taken up with a 2nd cousin or something, she and the husband divorced. The husband/father was the good guy. It was the 2nd cousin who was sick as was the wife. But the similarities are eerie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarbecueMom Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 DH mentioned this to me yesterday and I read the story b/c I had seen the thread topic here -- what the husband did is not far off from an awful Lifetime movie I saw years ago that was based on a true story -- it was a little different, though. The wife had taken up with a 2nd cousin or something, she and the husband divorced. The husband/father was the good guy. It was the 2nd cousin who was sick as was the wife. But the similarities are eerie. Was that the one where they set fire to the car with themselves and the kids inside? I saw that when I was a kid and it haunted me. It was the first thing I thought of when I read this story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denisemomof4 Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 I was shocked when I saw this on the ticker this morning. I left the news on until I heard the story, hoping all the while the ticker wasn't true. How tragic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MariannNOVA Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Was that the one where they set fire to the car with themselves and the kids inside? I saw that when I was a kid and it haunted me. It was the first thing I thought of when I read this story. Horrid movie, wasn't it? Like a train wreck -- awful but you couldn't look away. I think the wife, 2nd cousin (harry hamlin) and the two little boys were in a car chase with the dad behind them trying to get to them and save the little boys (does that sound right?) Wasn't the dad the actor from Seventh Heaven -- the dad on that show? Anyway, harry hamlin has the car rigged with explosives and he detonates everything - killing all four of them. I think the dad witnesses it and is haunted by it forever. The similarities (I am repeating myself, aren't I) are eerie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarbecueMom Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Horrid movie, wasn't it? Like a train wreck -- awful but you couldn't look away. I think the wife, 2nd cousin (harry hamlin) and the two little boys were in a car chase with the dad behind them trying to get to them and save the little boys (does that sound right?) Wasn't the dad the actor from Seventh Heaven -- the dad on that show? Anyway, harry hamlin has the car rigged with explosives and he detonates everything - killing all four of them. I think the dad witnesses it and is haunted by it forever. The similarities (I am repeating myself, aren't I) are eerie. Yep, that was it. Why on earth my mother let me watch that I don't know. I can't even read the news stories on the Powell story without getting nauseous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MariannNOVA Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Yep, that was it. Why on earth my mother let me watch that I don't know. I can't even read the news stories on the Powell story without getting nauseous. It was a horrid movie -- I am a bit older than you -- quite a bit -- and as best as I can gather, I must have been on bedrest and totally out of my mind with boredom to have sat through that. The Powell stories online are beyond upsetting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieM Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 It was a horrid movie -- I am a bit older than you -- quite a bit -- and as best as I can gather, I must have been on bedrest and totally out of my mind with boredom to have sat through that. The Powell stories online are beyond upsetting. Beyond upsetting, they are surreal. I cannot wrap my mind around the thought that someone would do that, especially to his own children. Incomprehensible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennifer3141 Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 This case drives me NUTS. I wish I believed in an afterlife so I could imagine the boys' Mama waiting there for them. I cannot imagine what her parents are going through right now. But our system is BROKEN. This %$#@#'s wife "disappears." His $#!$#@ father is caught with a large stash of kiddie porn and he randomly makes bizarre interviews where he discusses his attraction to his missing DIL and tries to make her sound like a tramp. He only appears crazier. There's crazy all over this family. So instead of making the dad meet these kids at a police station at the bare minimum, we send some probably 23 year old SW out to this nut's house where he has PLANNED his kids' murders too. This wife didn't "disappear." It's isn't like the Klingons came and took her to Vulcan for a little rest and relaxation. This piece of carp MURDERED her and instead of looking at the whole picture, we concentrated on his rights to his kids. And instead, somewhere today an innocent family is getting the wits harrassed out of them. Broken, dumb system killed these kids as much as their whacko father and their whacko grandfather. I hope someone kicks the heck out of the old man today just for fun. I think he's still in prison. :glare: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlett Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 This case drives me NUTS. I wish I believed in an afterlife so I could imagine the boys' Mama waiting there for them. I cannot imagine what her parents are going through right now. But our system is BROKEN. This %$#@#'s wife "disappears." His $#!$#@ father is caught with a large stash of kiddie porn and he randomly makes bizarre interviews where he discusses his attraction to his missing DIL and tries to make her sound like a tramp. He only appears crazier. There's crazy all over this family. So instead of making the dad meet these kids at a police station at the bare minimum, we send some probably 23 year old SW out to this nut's house where he has PLANNED his kids' murders too. This wife didn't "disappear." It's isn't like the Klingons came and took her to Vulcan for a little rest and relaxation. This piece of carp MURDERED her and instead of looking at the whole picture, we concentrated on his rights to his kids. And instead, somewhere today an innocent family is getting the wits harrassed out of them. Broken, dumb system killed these kids as much as their whacko father and their whacko grandfather. I hope someone kicks the heck out of the old man today just for fun. I think he's still in prison. :glare: :iagree: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucyStoner Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 and instead of looking at the whole picture, we concentrated on his rights to his kids. :iagree: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieM Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 This case drives me NUTS. I wish I believed in an afterlife so I could imagine the boys' Mama waiting there for them. I cannot imagine what her parents are going through right now. But our system is BROKEN. This %$#@#'s wife "disappears." His $#!$#@ father is caught with a large stash of kiddie porn and he randomly makes bizarre interviews where he discusses his attraction to his missing DIL and tries to make her sound like a tramp. He only appears crazier. There's crazy all over this family. So instead of making the dad meet these kids at a police station at the bare minimum, we send some probably 23 year old SW out to this nut's house where he has PLANNED his kids' murders too. This wife didn't "disappear." It's isn't like the Klingons came and took her to Vulcan for a little rest and relaxation. This piece of carp MURDERED her and instead of looking at the whole picture, we concentrated on his rights to his kids. And instead, somewhere today an innocent family is getting the wits harrassed out of them. Broken, dumb system killed these kids as much as their whacko father and their whacko grandfather. I hope someone kicks the heck out of the old man today just for fun. I think he's still in prison. :glare: Can you imagine being that social worker? Her life will never be the same. I hope she channels all her rage and indignation and grief into challenging and changing the system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlett Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Can you imagine being that social worker? Her life will never be the same. I hope she channels all her rage and indignation and grief into challenging and changing the system. That is what I was thinking about too....it is so far beyond being her fault but she will NEVER be able to get those images out of her mind. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrappyhappymama Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Who got out of the car and ran in to see daddy ... Heartbreaking. :crying: Those poor babies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucyStoner Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Like: What if he was involved with some really bad criminal activity and the bad guys killed his wife to get him to do something. And what if they were now threatening the children? And he thought this was the only way out to save his kids from torture. Um, no. The bad guy here is the dad. Plain and simple. When you hear hoof stomps, it is more likely horses than zebras. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennsmile Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 This case drives me NUTS. I wish I believed in an afterlife so I could imagine the boys' Mama waiting there for them. I cannot imagine what her parents are going through right now. While you may not believe in one the Cox family does and they know they will see Susan and her boys again. Still can't believe it. I had just read Sat about the last court hearing and was so happy the boys were staying with their grandparents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Kate Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Just read this article from CBS. Here is a quote: But an attorney for the Cox family says the kids had recently started to open up about what happened on the night of their mother's disappearance. Steve Downing said, "They had gone camping. Their mother had been in the trunk and later, their mom and dad walked out into the desert and mommy got lost." I think I'm going to be sick. Why oh why did they let those boys visit their dad??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlett Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Just read this article from CBS. Here is a quote: I think I'm going to be sick. Why oh why did they let those boys visit their dad??? That is beyond sick. Wow. Jennifer is right the system is broken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenmom5 Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 (edited) This wife didn't "disappear." It's isn't like the Klingons came and took her to Vulcan for a little rest and relaxation. This piece of carp MURDERED her and instead of looking at the whole picture, we concentrated on his rights to his kids. Klingons taking someone to Vulcan? are you mixing your metaphors? I live in this area and have followed it on the local news stations. You wouldn't imagine the number of "he's innocent until proven guilty" commenters. (mostly men who've gone through nasty custody battles.) The delays were far more about having sufficient evidence for a murder case against him. They had no body, and no massive blood stain in their house with her DNA, so they couldn't even prove she was dead, let alone this slimeball murdered her. The sister who was raised by the mother, and not slimy dad, thought Josh was guilty of Susan's disappearance. eta: my two cents - josh was so slimy (his sister described him as NPD), that even if he'd been denied visitation/or ordered a more neutral place, I can easily picture him grabbing the kids and doing this anyway. he's slime. Like Susans' family, I do belief in an afterlife, and I do believe those boys are now with their mother. and Josh is getting what's coming to him. I do not rejoice Josh is suffering. I'm sorry he was so slimy that those were the choices he made and that kind of suffering is what it will take to get through to him that his behavior was beyond reprehensible and the amount of grief and pain he caused innocent others. But those were his choices, and he has no one to blame but himself. Edited February 6, 2012 by gardenmom5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalanamak Posted February 7, 2012 Author Share Posted February 7, 2012 Just read this article from CBS. Here is a quote: Children can be lead. Since the grandfather was ordered to keep away from the dad (as well as vice versa ... there was bad blood), I can just hear him asking leading questions. Children who were that young (this was 2+ years ago) are not reliable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maus Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Ugh! I think I'm going to be sick. Our local news is now reporting he hit the boys with a hatchet before he set off the accelerant. Story is here: http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=19135705&title=powell-boys-struck-in-neck-head-before-house-explosion&s_cid=featured-1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenbrdsly Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 I'm not trying to stir the pot, I'm just honestly curious (and of course horrified.) But... If you are LDS could you please answer this for me? In the LDS faith married couples are sealed for eternity, right? So are any members of Susan's family now worried that she will have to spend eternity with the awful husband/dad? That would seem to be a further blow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalanamak Posted February 7, 2012 Author Share Posted February 7, 2012 Ugh! I think I'm going to be sick. Our local news is now reporting he hit the boys with a hatchet before he set off the accelerant. I think he meant to make them insensible before they were burned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meggie Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 I'm not trying to stir the pot, I'm just honestly curious (and of course horrified.) But... If you are LDS could you please answer this for me? In the LDS faith married couples are sealed for eternity, right? So are any members of Susan's family now worried that she will have to spend eternity with the awful husband/dad? That would seem to be a further blow. No, I doubt they are worried about that. Covenants must be kept in order to receive that blessing. The b*st*rd broke A LOT of covenants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeganCupcake Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 I'm not trying to stir the pot, I'm just honestly curious (and of course horrified.) But... If you are LDS could you please answer this for me? In the LDS faith married couples are sealed for eternity, right? So are any members of Susan's family now worried that she will have to spend eternity with the awful husband/dad? That would seem to be a further blow. Yes, but a) both husband and wife must want to continue their marriage in the eternities; and b) both husband and wife must be worthy of the highest exaltation to have that blessing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenmom5 Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Children can be lead. Since the grandfather was ordered to keep away from the dad (as well as vice versa ... there was bad blood), I can just hear him asking leading questions. Children who were that young (this was 2+ years ago) are not reliable. except . . . . two years ago, before the grandparents were no longer allowed contact, there were reports the older son had said something similar. josh cut off his children from their maternal grandparents right after he moved back to washington. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenmom5 Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 I'm not trying to stir the pot, I'm just honestly curious (and of course horrified.) But... If you are LDS could you please answer this for me? In the LDS faith married couples are sealed for eternity, right? So are any members of Susan's family now worried that she will have to spend eternity with the awful husband/dad? That would seem to be a further blow. those blessings are conditional only. josh is in no way worthy of them, so there is no concern she'd OR her sons would be with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenmom5 Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 I think he meant to make them insensible before they were burned. possibly. It also would keep them from trying to run outside as he set off the explosion. They died from smoke inhalation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalanamak Posted February 7, 2012 Author Share Posted February 7, 2012 except . . . . two years ago, before the grandparents were no longer allowed contact, there were reports the older son had said something similar. josh cut off his children from their maternal grandparents right after he moved back to washington. I still say they were young, and who knows who said what to whom, and how. The granddad has not be a modicum of calmness, and when JP moved back to WA, he was moving very close to them. I think he's guilty as heck, but I can see how I'd want to stay away from anyone that angry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenmom5 Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 I still say they were young, and who knows who said what to whom, and how. The granddad has not be a modicum of calmness, and when JP moved back to WA, he was moving very close to them. I think he's guilty as heck, but I can see how I'd want to stay away from anyone that angry. I don't know how familiar you are with the history of this case. The lawyer made the comment this statement actually came out in a picture the child was drawing that was supposed to be something he did last summer. It had daddy driving the van, the boys in the seat and mom in the trunk. when they asked why mom was in the trunk, he said he didn't know. no leading. one officer from the UT task force did mention they were pretty close to arresting him for susan's murder. I'm from Elizabeth Loftus territory, so I'm cognizant of the concept. But kids can still remember quite a bit of things that really happened and not have been led. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annie G Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 ...and it just keeps getting worse. Fox is reporting that the boys had hatchet wounds to the head and neck but died from smoke inhalation. I'm actually surprised he didn't kill the social worker, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WistfulRidge Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 I'm not trying to stir the pot, I'm just honestly curious (and of course horrified.) But... If you are LDS could you please answer this for me? In the LDS faith married couples are sealed for eternity, right? So are any members of Susan's family now worried that she will have to spend eternity with the awful husband/dad? That would seem to be a further blow. No. The sealing for eternity is only binding for couples who have lived faithfully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenbrdsly Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 those blessings are conditional only. josh is in no way worthy of them, so there is no concern she'd OR her sons would be with him. That makes me feel (a little) better. Thank you for answering my question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trresh Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 My guess is that he would have killed her if he hadn't been able to get the boys inside the house without her. She is lucky to be alive. I'm can't imagine how awful it was for her, too. I'm sure her mind's filled with a lot of 'what ifs'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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