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That test held no reality for the 1930's housewife who was slogging along with her husband and kids in a patch of dust trying to eke out a living during the depression. WTF does "dressing for breakfast" and any number of silly trivial items on that test have to do with anything?

 

What is really silly is that my grandmother was not a farmer's wife during the 30s, but rather a daughter of one of the wealthier members of town and it didn't really have a whole lot to do with her life either!

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I think a lot of people miss the fact that it really IS fulfilling being a caretaker and nurturer! My family loves our home and all the fun we have here together!

 

My friend and I are in the phase right now of half-laughingly saying "What would Caroline Ingalls do?"

 

Lovin' this thread! :001_smile:

 

Rose, thanks. LOL The 50's is more what I had in mind originally but then there was the 30's quiz on a blog and then posted here so we got stuck there :)

 

I KNOW I'm not having my kitchen those colors! LOL (okay, have read some of the article...I am not trying to live a make believe life of another time. I want to mix the worlds to a great extent. I think you can have the basics without going to the point of driving a 43 yr old car and using appliances from "back then" also).

 

But that is the basic IDEA I'm trying to acheive.

 

My mom was born in 1956. Her mother was a pretty independent woman (changed her documents in order to serve in the military for WWII). And she wasn't perfect by any stretch. However, my mother has some wonderful memories of her childhood, even a time they lived in a shack (I've seen it and it was smaller than my livingroom!). My grandmother cooked, had food on the table when my grandfather (who worked an orchard for the state) came home, etc. She also had her own life. She liked garage sales and she had her own shop where she did ceramics.

 

And my other grandmother (also a mom in the 50s) was similar, though possibly a bit better of a housekeeper :)

 

I really have always thought I was supposed to be a Little House era woman. I know that the Little House series isn't perfectly accurate but that time is so wonderful to me. I started reading Little House in the Big Woods as a read aloud as WWE's first week is based off of it. It just makes me think so even more. I feel so calm and serene and able to breathe with that.

 

Sorry to ramble. The way I feel inside feels so calm and serene romanticizing these time periods. Sure, maybe a lot of women had it a lot differently than the picture perfect and how I'm going to have it with 21st century progress. But I think I can recreate it enough to have what I want out of it :)

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I'm disturbed by the time warp wives. It's one thing to want to emulate the fashions or ideals of the past. It's another thing to create and live in a fantasy land that never existed other than in movies or on tv. ETA: How is this different than dressing like you are on Star Trek all the time? Or dressing in Ren Fest wear?

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You are not nuts because, yes, that would be me too...I think the appeal, for me personally, is not only the lovely and more feminine fashions, but the fact that the general public held to a higher standard and, as a result, people were not so apathetic or complascent about their own character. I am hard-pressed to find some young people in our area who hold to a good work ethic, let alone offer respect for others or who are thoughtful and compassionate in general.

 

I appreciate reading the various articles at laf.org and other like-minded sites that extol the virtues of a stay-at-home mother and promote modesty among other good character traits. Even though I know I have a long way to go to achieve all the things I desire out of life, I truly enjoy being able to provide a restful and peaceful haven for the family and I am thankful that they can trust in me for their comfort and rest.

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I'm disturbed by the time warp wives. It's one thing to want to emulate the fashions or ideals of the past. It's another thing to create and live in a fantasy land that never existed other than in movies or on tv. ETA: How is this different than dressing like you are on Star Trek all the time? Or dressing in Ren Fest wear?

Its different, because its an era when home making was considered a science, a positive, fulfilling thing, all in itself by society.

 

Now? The majority of my generation grew up with mothers who were at the height of women's lib. Homemaking became 'doing nothing'. It was sneered at by other women, seen as lesser than, not as respected as bringing home a pay cheque. So many women of my generation were never taught how to clean home, cook, bake, sew...the list goes on.

My husband was shocked when he discovered I didn't know how to sew. He thought that was something that mother's naturally taught daughters, having seen his cousin's mom teach their daughters.

 

I find the idea of another time era appealing. A time when making a home for family was enough. When you could admit to enjoying doing so without ppl thinking you were completely nuts, or condescending to you, or (especially in my case) "Well of COURSE you need to find satisfaction in keeping house and raising your children...you've lost your career."

 

So, for ME, its not play acting. Its not costume dressing, or fantasy role play. Its about truly being ok with being the wife and mother that I'm being called to be, and being PROUD of it, rather than shamed, to be joyous in it, rather than burdened, to find happiness in it rather than grumbling, to view it as something that blesses my family rather than weighs on me.

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Its different, because its an era when home making was considered a science, a positive, fulfilling thing, all in itself by society.

 

Now? The majority of my generation grew up with mothers who were at the height of women's lib. Homemaking became 'doing nothing'. It was sneered at by other women, seen as lesser than, not as respected as bringing home a pay cheque. So many women of my generation were never taught how to clean home, cook, bake, sew...the list goes on.

My husband was shocked when he discovered I didn't know how to sew. He thought that was something that mother's naturally taught daughters, having seen his cousin's mom teach their daughters.

 

I find the idea of another time era appealing. A time when making a home for family was enough. When you could admit to enjoying doing so without ppl thinking you were completely nuts, or condescending to you, or (especially in my case) "Well of COURSE you need to find satisfaction in keeping house and raising your children...you've lost your career."

 

So, for ME, its not play acting. Its not costume dressing, or fantasy role play. Its about truly being ok with being the wife and mother that I'm being called to be, and being PROUD of it, rather than shamed, to be joyous in it, rather than burdened, to find happiness in it rather than grumbling, to view it as something that blesses my family rather than weighs on me.

 

I'm not talking about being a SAHM or priding yourself on a clean house, learning to can or sew. I'm a SAHM. I cook, I clean, I'm not ashamed of any of it. I'm talking about the specific women in that link who have their house decorated, dress and behave as if they are in an episode of Leave it to Beaver, Dick Van Dyke or I Love Lucy. Because those tv shows weren't real life then and it's not real life now.

 

My parents were born in 1951 and 1952, respectively. They both had domineering mothers. One stayed at home, the other worked. They were very different women, neither fit this stereotype. This ideal of the pretty, protected wifey who can't deal with the real world never existed. *These women* are living a fantasy. I'm not saying improving your attitude or running a more efficient home is a fantasy.

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You are so funny!

 

I spoke to my mom about this. We decided that everyone should start to dress in costume according to what circumstances they think would be better or more fun. She wants to be a gangster's moll, I'm going to be Nora Charles. My sister wants to be Miss Kitty.

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Did y'all realize that the "husband" link on that website is a rating scale of MEN? I thought it was for hubby to rate me which I certainly didn't want. Though I think he'd be generous, he couldn't pull me out of "very poor" <sigh>

 

Anyway, I just took the test rating hubby and hubby scored Very Superior. Figures. That one seemed easier to score well on though! LOL We probably shouldn't share if any hubby scores lower.

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Did y'all realize that the "husband" link on that website is a rating scale of MEN? I thought it was for hubby to rate me which I certainly didn't want. Though I think he'd be generous, he couldn't pull me out of "very poor" <sigh>

 

Anyway, I just took the test rating hubby and hubby scored Very Superior. Figures. That one seemed easier to score well on though! LOL We probably shouldn't share if any hubby scores lower.

 

You should switch places and see what kind of score he gets as a wife and you get as a husband. That could be eye-opening. :D

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Mrs. Mungo, I was cogitating on this, too. Only I came up with the glass-half-empty version...I decided to be Ma Kettle.

 

I could dress and talk like her (easily) and let the house go just a wee bit more. It would be a visual aid for my current "It Is What It Is" life philosophy.

 

If we're going to play-act, why must we reach for impossible ideals? Isn't that too much like real life?

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Mrs. Mungo, I was cogitating on this, too. Only I came up with the glass-half-empty version...I decided to be Ma Kettle.

 

I could dress and talk like her (easily) and let the house go just a wee bit more. It would be a visual aid for my current "It Is What It Is" life philosophy.

 

If we're going to play-act, why must we reach for impossible ideals? Isn't that too much like real life?

 

:lol: Very good point.

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This has really been a fascinating thread. I think I must like the idea of being more traditional because I scored a 96 on the quiz. I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the Dr. Laura books, "Care & Keeping of Men" or something like that - she has several. I think those would be very helpful.

 

I'm trying to find the right words here - much of what you are looking for may be more of an attitude change than a large to-do list. Part of what helps me is a genuine appreciation of how hard my husband works and wanting to do my part. Another thing that I have to admit helps a lot is to simply pray and do my best as I believe Jesus would want me to. I don't like to sit down and pray at a given set time; rather I have short prayer "moments" all day long. Another odd dimension in my life is that my husband is an atheist and although I do pray for him I never try to talk him out of it; instead I try to live a good example.

 

Back to the Dr. Laura books though - they could be useful whether or not you have a religious element in your life. She is Jewish, and I have never found her to be pushy in the least when it comes to religion. Other subjects, yes, but not religion. Frankly, she rubs me the wrong way if I try to listen to her on the radio, but her books really made a lot of sense to me.

 

It's late, and I'm rambling. Hope this has been of some help.

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I want to be Harriet Vane - there's a late short story, called Tallboys, when she's married to Lord Peter and has children. They are living in the country, the children rampaging around outside and she is still writing. Of course they had a lot of servants....

 

Laura

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I have enjoyed the posts I've read so far...wish I'd seen this thread earlier. Let me suggest a couple of resources for you. My girls and I are slowly working through a huge book called Training Our Daughters To Be Keepers At Home by Ann Ward. It has just about everything a well-seasoned 30's woman would want to know. :D You might like reading an oldie but a goodie The Total Woman by Marabel Morgan and also Disciplines of the Beautiful Woman by Anne Ortland. These old-fashioned (but never out of fashion) books have been a real encouragement to me. The company 'Keepers of the Faith' has all sorts of older reading materials and traditional crafting supplies for ladies and their kids. Have fun!

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Pamela, I don't know if anyone found this link yet... I try to take the weekends off from the hive and the thread REALLY blew up, so I'm behind. I found this, though:

 

You can see her picture at the link, she's at the end of the article:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1042702/Time-Warp-Wives-Meet-women-really-live-past.html

 

 

Diane Rowlands, 38, works parttime in a customer service centre. She lives with Martin, who is 40 and works in a warehouse. Diane says:

My love for the Thirties started with the music. As a teenager, I loved to listen to the big band sound and I would sit entranced for hours watching films starring Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers. They were so glamorous.

 

Back then, the world just seemed a sunnier place, even though it was an austere time between the wars.

 

 

Diane Rowlands: 'Ideally, IĂ¢â‚¬â„¢d spend all day in my pinny'

Women were these amazingly glamorous creatures, with their perfect hair and immaculate makeup, and they were treated with such respect by men.

 

Men and women knew their roles in society and there wasn't all this pressure on women to have to go out to work and try to be equal to men.

 

I do work part-time, but only because we need the money. However, we still have clearly defined roles in the home and I am the one who does most of the cooking and cleaning.

 

I adore baking cakes and if I had my way I would spend all of my days in my pinny, making my house look immaculate.

 

Martin and I spend hours sourcing clothes from the 1930s and I am always dressed in period costume.

 

I usually spend around Ă‚Â£50 to Ă‚Â£150 per item. I buy them from the internet and vintage clothing specialists, and I have wardrobes full of wonderful old clothes and items such as cloche hats and Mary-Jane shoes with T-bar straps.

 

At first I was a bit dubious about going out dressed in Thirties clothing, but I am totally used to it now.

 

 

 

Anyone for tea? Diane spends hours on the internet sourcing items for her 1930s lifestyle

Comments from strangers can be pretty *****y, though, because people just don't like anything that's out of the ordinary.

 

The Thirties was a much more moral time and there was a real camaraderie between people.

 

I try to escape from where we are now and rarely read newspapers because I find today's world so depressing.

 

The pace of life today is so hectic and I think there is so much pressure on women to be like men. It is all wrong.

 

I love to wear dresses and skirts, look immaculate and be treated like a lady. My home is entirely decorated with 1930s furniture, wallpaper, carpets and ornaments.

 

Retreating to this world is our sanctuary.

 

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Oh, and dh doubled my score... of course, I let him streeeeeetch the truth on some things (does he pick up his socks? sure, once in a blue moon, go ahead and check it honey)...

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I want to be Harriet Vane - there's a late short story, called Tallboys, when she's married to Lord Peter and has children. They are living in the country, the children rampaging around outside and she is still writing. Of course they had a lot of servants....

 

Laura

 

This has been my fantasy as well . . . :cheers2:

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I'm trying to find the right words here - much of what you are looking for may be more of an attitude change than a large to-do list. Part of what helps me is a genuine appreciation of how hard my husband works and wanting to do my part. Another thing that I have to admit helps a lot is to simply pray and do my best as I believe Jesus would want me to. I don't like to sit down and pray at a given set time; rather I have short prayer "moments" all day long. Another odd dimension in my life is that my husband is an atheist and although I do pray for him I never try to talk him out of it; instead I try to live a good example.
I was thinking the exact same thing. But since the "Word of God is alive and exerts power", and Pamela certainly knows that, I didn't know what else to say. Though, I have experienced secular materials having more details. I know what she means there.

 

I also know that my attitude doesn't change no matter how I try if I need more/different antidepressant or therapy.

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I spoke to my mom about this. We decided that everyone should start to dress in costume according to what circumstances they think would be better or more fun. She wants to be a gangster's moll, I'm going to be Nora Charles. My sister wants to be Miss Kitty.

 

Well, I think I'd like something with a cape, like Wonderwoman. Or where I wear a mask and suddenly no one can recognize me! ... Or maybe something where I'm invisible? Ha.

 

Anyway, I think there are ways to nurture one's relationship without going back in time. There are good qualities from modern life. And both old timey men and women were pretty tough, in my opinion! I think being self-reliant, making do with less, thrifty, helpful to others, and less self-indulgent are qualities we could all cultivate.

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On the subject of costumes.. I have often wanted to either wear traditional Indian clothing...
Do you mean American Indian or South Asian Indian? I've always wanted to be able to wear saris and salwar kameez--they're just lovely, so pretty and feminine and dignified all at once. I hereby declare that to be my costume of choice! (In reality, pudgy white California housewives like me look kind of goofy in saris.)
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Dangermom, you're wrong! No one looks bad in a sari.

 

I, too, have long fantasized about being East Indian for this very reason. Those women look beautiful even if their faces are plain or their bodies large. Their clothes just confer a certain dignity. And the way they all walk; upright. Assured. Never in a hurry.

 

My other choice would be to go back in time to some over-the-top era where women wore billowing skirts and fitted tops, all sewed to order, of course.

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Do you mean American Indian or South Asian Indian? I've always wanted to be able to wear saris and salwar kameez--they're just lovely, so pretty and feminine and dignified all at once. I hereby declare that to be my costume of choice! (In reality, pudgy white California housewives like me look kind of goofy in saris.)

 

One of the things that is really popular at the Aloha Swap Meet here is wrap skirts made from saris. Best of both worlds, I think.

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I think I misspoke a little. I probably don't even KNOW what all I'm looking for. I really AM hopeless!

 

I want to start with being a good wife and more feminine and better at taking care of the home. I've become lazy. I also have allowed what are real reasons become REAL EXCUSES.

 

Anyway, seriously, I can't even dream of getting an average score on that quiz, much less a superior one. My score, honestly, was 19! But as I've researched a little on a few websites and such, I keep thinking that I *believe* SIMILARLY to people who would score well (one blogger scored 106). I just don't know if I can PRACTICE what I believe.

 

 

You can do it! Your description, is something very good to aim for. Take it one area at a time. When you fail, pick up and continue on.

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Do you mean American Indian or South Asian Indian? I've always wanted to be able to wear saris and salwar kameez--they're just lovely, so pretty and feminine and dignified all at once. I hereby declare that to be my costume of choice! (In reality, pudgy white California housewives like me look kind of goofy in saris.)
South Asia. definitely. And yeah, I am sure my milky white skin would look great in a sari. ;)
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"Womanly art" to me means breastfeeding. I've been brainwashed by LLL! :D

 

 

LOL :iagree: That phrase will never mean anything else to LLL folks.

 

 

I got 11 on that quiz. I'm surprised it was that high.

As a 1930's wife I'm apparently Very Poor (Failure) :D

 

I'm so happy! I think this has made my day :lol::lol::lol:

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Martha Greene has a neat site and sells lessons that come out twice a month that you can print out on cool things like making aprons and cleaning kitchens and canning. It is called Homemakers mentor and they have a yahoo group for members. Believe it or not you are not alone, there are a bunch of us crazy ladies that want to be more like our grammas.;)

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BTW Pamela, this is a favorite story of women who are looking to make changes as you are: When Queens Ride By. Actual real 30's story! I'm not entirely sure about it myself, but I think I can take some good lessons from it despite my somewhat mixed feelings.

 

I read that story a while back and it really bothered me but I didn't have time to ponder the reason. I reread it since it came up in this thread and have thought about it more.

 

The main thing that didn't sit well with me was that the day was saved by a lie and the whole story seemed to center upon appearance vs. substance, with appearance winning out. Secondly, I don't go for the idea that the role model refused to help her husband in business when he asked for her help, "for his own good". That doesn't seem very Biblical or kind. And finally, as a farm wife, the story set my teeth on edge with the idea that the crops could just wait for the protagonist's dh to deal with them. (Apparently because she was too busy schmoozing the banker and baking fluffy biscuits.) The fact is that the crops won't wait and in all honesty I would have a very low opinion of a woman who would not help her dh get them in. So on a practical level, this story really failed to impress me. I wonder just how familiar the author was with farming.

 

This is a fiction story, but what would the next chapter tell? About the banker's response when the dh had to tell him that, no they would not be able to pile up those payments just now? I doubt he would exclaim, "That's fine, just have your lovely wife pass the biscuits!"

 

IMO, the intent of the story was to show the importance of attitude and how it builds others up or tears them down, but the details of it were so impossible for me to swallow that I failed to appreciate the primary message.

 

The world pulls us in all sorts of directions, many of which we realize lead to places we don't want to be once we get there. I think the key is to determining what our important values and priorities are and to focus on those things. For me, the key areas seem to be relationship with dh and dd, being kind, living my faith not just reading or talking about it, being hardworking and diligent, and focusing on the traits I want to embody (being feminine, strong, capable, intelligent, observant, a good steward, etc.) I still have much work to do in all these areas!

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One of the things that is really popular at the Aloha Swap Meet here is wrap skirts made from saris. Best of both worlds, I think.

 

Oh my goodness, I totally need one of those. Or five. Too bad I'm utterly broke, huh?

 

I've been into Indian shops to drool over the outfits, but I'd have to have something tailored, really. My shoulders are a little wide and my arms a little long, so I have a hard time buying at Penney's, let alone an Indian shop. And the fact that I look terrible in pink, yellow, orange, and lime limits my choices! Someday...

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Find a lady who can sew them for you. They're fairly inexpensive. Go to an Indian store and ask. Many people have things sewn to their measurements, so they'll fit you. And people from the Indian subcontinent come in all skin tones, from "milky white" to very dark, and you can pick your own fabric to skip the neon shades.

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Find a lady who can sew them for you. They're fairly inexpensive. Go to an Indian store and ask. Many people have things sewn to their measurements, so they'll fit you. And people from the Indian subcontinent come in all skin tones, from "milky white" to very dark, and you can pick your own fabric to skip the neon shades.
Oh cool. I might just try this.
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ETA: How is this different than dressing like you are on Star Trek all the time? Or dressing in Ren Fest wear?

 

I don't think it is. But if that's what floats their boat, more power to 'em. It's not hurting anyone, and it's helping a few antiques dealers (or the skilled craftspeople that make Star Trek uniforms and Ren Fest wear).

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If we're going to play-act, why must we reach for impossible ideals? Isn't that too much like real life?

 

Dulcimeramy, I love you.

 

I'll have to wait for the technology to get advanced enough to holographically project the image of Mr. Rogers all around me, because that's who I want to be and no matter how much I diet, I'm not going to be able to button any of those sweaters.

 

I think Mrs. Mungo's idea is fab. We should all cosplay much more often. Won't you be my neighbor?

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I spoke to my mom about this. We decided that everyone should start to dress in costume according to what circumstances they think would be better or more fun. She wants to be a gangster's moll, I'm going to be Nora Charles. My sister wants to be Miss Kitty.

 

My hubby walks around the house in his Roman garb for most of summer. Is there something wrong with that? :lol:

 

Martin and I spend hours sourcing clothes from the 1930s and I am always dressed in period costume.

 

 

Bully for her. I like costuming. Hey, I'm heading out in my Livonian this weekend, *BUT* I like modern underwear. I could post a pic of dh in his Roman underwear, but I'd probably get banned. Take it from me, modern underwear is nice.

 

:D

Rosie

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You should switch places and see what kind of score he gets as a wife and you get as a husband. That could be eye-opening. :D

I got a mid-40s as a wife, and an 11 as a husband.

 

Thank God I wasn't asked to take a "1940s child" test -- I would never get above zero on that one....

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Dulcimeramy, I love you.

 

I'll have to wait for the technology to get advanced enough to holographically project the image of Mr. Rogers all around me, because that's who I want to be and no matter how much I diet, I'm not going to be able to button any of those sweaters.

 

I think Mrs. Mungo's idea is fab. We should all cosplay much more often. Won't you be my neighbor?

 

:lol: If I'm being Ma Kettle, I'll need Mr. Rogers in the neighborhood to straighten out my poor kids.

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My hubby walks around the house in his Roman garb for most of summer. Is there something wrong with that? :lol:

 

 

 

Bully for her. I like costuming. Hey, I'm heading out in my Livonian this weekend, *BUT* I like modern underwear. I could post a pic of dh in his Roman underwear, but I'd probably get banned. Take it from me, modern underwear is nice.

 

:D

Rosie

 

 

did Roman men wear underwear?

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did Roman men wear underwear?

 

 

There is a most hilarious Black Adder episode from the first season where Stephen Fry is a Roman general in one of those tunicy thingies & his little skirt is waaaaaay too short & you can see his tighty whities underneath. And of course being Stephen Fry, he's proclaiming something in very articulate Latin while the camera is panning around his bottom.

 

Stephen Fry & Rowan Atkinson are very smart so I think it must be historically accurate :lol::lol::lol:

 

 

 

As an aside - I was thinking about this test last night (As I mentioned earlier, I got 11! Yes, eleven!) and I think the test must be measuring something different than what's being talked about in this thread.

 

I know how to cook. I'm teaching my dd to sew. I knit. I can. I make jam. I know how to make pastry. I garden. I grow vegetables. I know how to get pet stains off pretty much anything.

 

I think it must be an attitude problem (on my part). I know how to do all these things but that doesn't mean I actually do them, & doesn't mean I think they're all that important. Somehow that test figured out I'm a feminist.......:D

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As an aside - I was thinking about this test last night (As I mentioned earlier, I got 11! Yes, eleven!) and I think the test must be measuring something different than what's being talked about in this thread.

 

I know how to cook. I'm teaching my dd to sew. I knit. I can. I make jam. I know how to make pastry. I garden. I grow vegetables. I know how to get pet stains off pretty much anything.

 

I think it must be an attitude problem (on my part). I know how to do all these things but that doesn't mean I actually do them, & doesn't mean I think they're all that important. Somehow that test figured out I'm a feminist.......:D

Nope. That is exactly what is being talked about!
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The general themes seemed to be whether you primp regularly (hair, stockings seam lined straight, etc) and are sufficiently ladylike (points off for wearing pajamas instead of a nightgown), plus whether you're lazy, rude, and whether you insult your husband or defer to / pamper him.

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