Michelle My Bell Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 As a spinoff of the Middleton Nurse suicide thread, how do you think Princess Diana really died? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impish Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 I found it intensely interesting that w/her death, Chuckie-boy went from being 'divorced' to a 'widower'. How that worked, I still don't understand...but I *think* that makes the diff btwn him being able to inherit the throne or not. (Granted, I'm basing this on the whole abdication for marrying Wallace Simpson issue, and that rule may well have been changed in recent yrs, I don't know). Found that very, very interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmoira Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 I found it intensely interesting that w/her death, Chuckie-boy went from being 'divorced' to a 'widower'. How that worked, I still don't understand...but I *think* that makes the diff btwn him being able to inherit the throne or not. (Granted, I'm basing this on the whole abdication for marrying Wallace Simpson issue, and that rule may well have been changed in recent yrs, I don't know). Found that very, very interesting. As I understand it, the official reason was that Church of England at the time did not allow remarriage after divorce. Edward could not marry Simpson and be head of the Church. However opposition to Simpson was pretty much across the board, and no one of importance except Edward was interested in solving his "problem." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bettyandbob Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 I think it was a combination of factors. Paparazzi behavior along with intoxication of the driver caused the accident. Another factor is that Diana did not have a seatbelt. There was one person wearing a seatbelt in the accident--that person survived. The lack of restraint probably contributed to her injuries. I do not believe in any conspiracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remudamom Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 She died tragically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathryn Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Tragic accident with multiple compounding factors. As to Edward, my understanding is what nmoira said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matryoshka Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 As I understand it, the official reason was that Church of England at the time did not allow remarriage after divorce. Edward could not marry Simpson and be head of the Church. However opposition to Simpson was pretty much across the board, and no one of importance except Edward was interested in solving his "problem." Can I say how ironic I continue to find this as the entire reason for the founding of the Church of England was so that Henry VIII could divorce and remarry - multiple times! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmoira Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Can I say how ironic I continue to find this as the entire reason for the founding of the Church of England was so that Henry VIII could divorce and remarry - multiple times! But he didn't technically divorce either Catherine of Aragon or Anne of Cleves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matryoshka Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 But he didn't technically divorce either Catherine of Aragon or Anne of Cleves. Well, yeah, in the first case he strong-armed the Catholic church into an annulment, and in the second he just declared it himself as head of his brand-spanking-new church - the Catholic church wasn't going to keep giving him serial "annulments". Of course, there was always the beheading option... But you think that would've at least set a precedent for kings granting themselves annulments based on personal desires and not any actual merit... the daughter of that first annulled marriage did go on to become Queen of England, so annulling must not preclude the children of the union inheriting the throne... Oh, and sorry, have no definite opinion on Diana. Could be a combination of those things... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathryn Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 On the topic of divorce/remarriage in the Church of England (specifically addressing Charles and Camilla): http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/christianity/ritesrituals/divorce_1.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassenach Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 In a car accident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impish Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 So, the fact that they weren't allowed to marry in the church, what impact, if any would that have on his ability to inherit the crown? As the so called head of the Church of England, shouldn't that be a bit of an issue? I still think it's bogus that b/c Diana died, he was reclassified as a widower. He's not. They were divorced, the marriage didn't end w/her death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmoira Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 So, the fact that they weren't allowed to marry in the church, what impact, if any would that have on his ability to inherit the crown? As the so called head of the Church of England, shouldn't that be a bit of an issue? That almost certainly wasn't the real reason Edward had to abdicate. Simpson was strongly suspected that the time of the "crisis" of having ties to the Nazis. Given the couple's later actions, I find this to be a reasonable suspicion. No one wanted a marriage, even a morganatic one. ETA: I don't think anyone has come up with anything so damaging against Camilla. :tongue_smilie: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susann Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 I think it was a combination of factors. Paparazzi behavior along with intoxication of the driver caused the accident. Another factor is that Diana did not have a seatbelt. There was one person wearing a seatbelt in the accident--that person survived. The lack of restraint probably contributed to her injuries. I do not believe in any conspiracy. :iagree: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest submarines Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 I think her death was quite convenient for the Royals. I don't think this particular accident was planned, but I believe it is possible that people and events, and maybe even ideas were introduced to her in a way that would contribute to such an accident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 I think it was an accident. As much as I love a good conspiracy story, I don't think they really happen that often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenmom5 Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 I think it was a combination of factors. Paparazzi behavior along with intoxication of the driver caused the accident. Another factor is that Diana did not have a seatbelt. There was one person wearing a seatbelt in the accident--that person survived. The lack of restraint probably contributed to her injuries. I do not believe in any conspiracy. this. the poll only allowed one choice, but I think it was the combination of the paparazzi chasing her with a drunk driver. and the lack of seatbelt. (being flung into a seatback at 80mpg can do alot of damage.) and my opinon of edward - It was fortunate for england to be rid of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenmom5 Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 That almost certainly wasn't the real reason Edward had to abdicate. Simpson was strongly suspected that the time of the "crisis" of having ties to the Nazis. Given the couple's later actions, I find this to be a reasonable suspicion. No one wanted a marriage, even a morganatic one. ETA: I don't think anyone has come up with anything so damaging against Camilla. :tongue_smilie: I was reading some things on simpson from her own writings in a UK paper, and it was almost as though she was just having lots of fun leading edward on - and was hoist by her own petard. considering the extensive letters she exchanged with her previous husband (for the rest of his life.) after marrying edward gives some credence to that theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lailasmum Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 I think it was a combination of factors. Paparazzi behavior along with intoxication of the driver caused the accident. Another factor is that Diana did not have a seatbelt. There was one person wearing a seatbelt in the accident--that person survived. The lack of restraint probably contributed to her injuries. I do not believe in any conspiracy. :iagree: I really don't think anyone was out to get her. I just think it was a combination of events. The press are so vicious it's ridiculous add that to condition of the driver and an accident is pretty inevitable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WishboneDawn Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 I think this kind of thing is rather tasteless. She died in a car accident caused by multiple factors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butterflymommy Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 As I stated in another thread (which I think got deleted? I could never find it again) I'm something of a conspiracy theorist, however, the princess' death is pretty straightforward-- she wasn't wearing her seatbelt during a high speed crash. To wishbone (sorry, forgot to quote) it may seem tasteless but dodi's family has been wracked with grief and suspicion that this was some kind of conspiracy, and probably diana's family too. It's a question worth looking at. I just don't see the conspiracy though. The royal family hated diana but they've always doted on the two boys and I can't imagine they would murder their mother for some kind of personal satisfaction. I also don't see dodi being muslim as a motivating factor, as he was not religious, and fabulously wealthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paisley Hedgehog Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 nm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris in VA Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 I think it was an accident, and it didn't help that they were going so fast because the p'razzi were chasing them. I didn't realize their limo driver was intoxicated.That certainly would cut down on one's reaction time. And the seatbelt thing, too, could have led to more extensive injuries. I don't believe it was a conspiracy, that the p'razzi was made up of both reporters and assassins, or that the driver was paid to hurt/kill/cause a fatal accident. I don't think the royals would do that to the boys. The part of the funeral that got me the most was seeing the flowers on the casket that said, "Mummy." :crying: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrothead Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 As I stated in another thread (which I think got deleted? I could never find it again) I'm something of a conspiracy theorist, however, the princess' death is pretty straightforward-- she wasn't wearing her seatbelt during a high speed crash. To wishbone (sorry, forgot to quote) it may seem tasteless but dodi's family has been wracked with grief and suspicion that this was some kind of conspiracy, and probably diana's family too. It's a question worth looking at. I just don't see the conspiracy though. The royal family hated diana but they've always doted on the two boys and I can't imagine they would murder their mother for some kind of personal satisfaction. I also don't see dodi being muslim as a motivating factor, as he was not religious, and fabulously wealthy. Pretty much all of the above. I don't think England's royal family could have pulled it off. The gov't might have, but the gov't had no real reason to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmoira Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Which actions? Sorry, I don't know much about what happened to them after the abdication. Edward was in contact with Germany after Britain had declared war, and is on record as having some said horrific things, even implicitly supporting the Blitz. They kept contact with Nazis and Nazi sympathizers (they were married at the estate of someone who killed himself rather than be brought to trial after the war). The FBI determined Wallace was passing secrets via dry cleaning she had sent to New York while they were "exiled" to the Bahamas. I have either heard or read somewhere that there was a deal that if the Nazis had been successful in their attempt to invade England, Edward would have been reinstated as king. That could have been complete fiction, though. Maybe I saw it in a movie. :confused: Ish. There were plans to kidnap them when they were in France, but to what degree the couple may have been complicit is unknown (though it is known they were in contact with the Nazis at this time). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmoira Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 I was reading some things on simpson from her own writings in a UK paper, and it was almost as though she was just having lots of fun leading edward on - and was hoist by her own petard. considering the extensive letters she exchanged with her previous husband (for the rest of his life.) after marrying edward gives some credence to that theory. What was it she wrote, something like "How can a woman be a whole empire to a man?" Telling. And she was cheating on Edward before they were married. Still, she stayed with him until she died. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmoira Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Pretty much all of the above. I don't think England's royal family could have pulled it off. The gov't might have, but the gov't had no real reason to. I don't see that anyone stood to benefit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KungFuPanda Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 If they had it in them to do away with her, they would have done so BEFORE the divorce and avoided that scandal. It was just an accident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibraryLover Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 High speed drunk driving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spy Car Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Seriously? Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higginszoo Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 I think that it was an accident. I don't think that the accident would have happened if the paps hadn't been chasing them, so I put a lot of the blame on them. I don't think that there was a conspiracy, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.Dup. Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Car accident caused by aggressive paparazzi? I was only 15 when it happened, so I wasn't too aware of the surrounding factors at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmoira Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Car accident caused by aggressive paparazzi? I was only 15 when it happened, so I wasn't too aware of the surrounding factors at the time. There's a simple algebra problem in there. I was twice your age at the time of her death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paisley Hedgehog Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sahamamama Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 She died tragically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennifer3141 Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 I believe she was hunted by the paparazzi and their pursuit of her car caused her death. I think it was convienent for Charles and his mother because Diana outshone him every single day and he looked like an unlikable nerd who didn't have the wits to marry the woman he truly loved the first time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathryn Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 If they had it in them to do away with her, they would have done so BEFORE the divorce and avoided that scandal. It was just an accident. Good point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WishboneDawn Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WishboneDawn Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I believe she was hunted by the paparazzi and their pursuit of her car caused her death. I think it was convienent for Charles and his mother because Diana outshone him every single day and he looked like an unlikable nerd who didn't have the wits to marry the woman he truly loved the first time. Convenient that the mother of his children died and he had to deal with their grief? I think a lot of this stuff where Diana is cast as the angelic figure in contrast to Charles as villain is, well, dumb. It was more complicated then that, it always is. Especially when one person is heir to the throne and destined to be the head of a church. I don't think there's a villain in this piece, just a lot of unfortunate circumstances and fallible humans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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